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5:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus I know :P
 
I have these.
 
When tech is introduced, it's expensive; then it becomes widespread and gets cheaper and cheaper; then it becomes obsolete and becomes progressively more expensive
I wonder if my mobo can handle 32GB
 
I'm just waiting till I can afford to really splash out... and manage to last long enough with out by other stuff first :P
 
Xeo
Hmm... a HDD shouldn't make these "scratchy" sounds, right?
 
@CatPlusPlus There's (quite a bit) more to it than that. DDR3 increases bandwidth, but actually loosens latency requirements somewhat, which makes it quite a bit cheaper to manufacture.
 
5:01 PM
@Xeo old ones can
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz This one is practically brand new, and me other WD Elements doesn't have them :/
 
@BartekBanachewicz in pink? :D
 
@Xeo If it works afterwards then it's probably fine
 
@melak47 it's Red duh.
 
@Xeo ah that's just fine, rub some butter on it and it'll pure like a kitten
 
5:02 PM
@Xeo I have a external WD that starts making scratchy noises when idle for longer than a minute or so.
 
If the head actually hit the plate then it would stop working
 
@BartekBanachewicz right :p
 
Xeo
Hm
 
@Xeo I asked about this on SU. The culprit turned out to be Preemptive Wear Leveling.
 
Xeo
Well, my old WD Elements has one ... platter in the grave since quite a few months, so I want to move everything over, but with these scratchy sounds it got me worried a bit.
@StackedCrooked lol, your comment on the answer.
 
5:05 PM
I think I know why the stream was choppy yesterday
 
Xeo
But that means I won't really have to worry then, I guess.
 
I was broadcasting with bitrate about 10 times too high :laugh:
 
@Xeo ....months?
 
Xeo
I may also just not really remember whether my old WD made such noise in the beginning
@melak47 Certain parts suddenly become corrupted. :/
I can mostly access them, but not delete them
 
5:06 PM
@Borgleader it's CL9
 
and you've been letting your stuff sit on there for months? :p
 
@StackedCrooked there's a fair bit of capitals in that there response :P
 
My RAM is CL9 too
 
@BartekBanachewicz And?
 
I don't think I ever cared about memory latency
 
Xeo
5:06 PM
And they also have the "read-only" bit set. The strangest thing is, when I unset it, I get a warning about it failing to unset the bit for a file that's not even close to being in that folder. :<
 
mine is CL5 :3
Also, fun fact
 
Yours wouldn't fit under my CPU's heatsink
 
Xeo
@melak47 Well, my documents and the hobby projects I'm working on are backed up, so I'd mostly lose my downloaded anime episodes.
 
1600Mhz is the maximum freq. officially supported by 3rd generation Intel Core processors
 
otherwise, you would have gotten 2133.7 MHz RAM, right? :3
 
5:07 PM
2400
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol wut?
 
@bamboon awesome right?
 
@CatPlusPlus I certainly have. For algorithms that have to access memory fairly randomly (e.g., General Number Field Sieve) latency makes more difference than bandwidth.
 
@BartekBanachewicz pics or it didn't happen
 
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
My heatsink :)
 
5:08 PM
what the hell does CL5 get you :/
 
Lower latency duh
 
and what benefits from that :x
 
It's about 4ns difference or something
@melak47 Data is ready faster to be transferred from chip to CPU
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, I simply don't write code creates cache misses.
 
@StackedCrooked and you only run your own code right?
 
5:10 PM
In my programming model memory doesn't exist :v:
 
@melak47 Random access. When you access data (fairly) sequentially, bandwidth is what matters, but when you access randomly, latency is the key.
 
so if the memory has a latency of 9ns(?) I have to wait ~42.3 CPU cycles + transfer time til I get my stuff, while CL5 takes 18.8 cycles less? or what? :/
 
memory latency is just a small amount of the whole latency it takes to actually get data ready to use
you can't seriously improve speed by getting faster RAM.
 
okey, I've totally lied to you
it's CL7 not CL5
 
@melak47 You almost certainly have the number of cycles wrong, but that's roughly the general idea.
 
5:13 PM
sorry
 
@BartekBanachewicz pffff
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's why I was wondering ;)
 
@JerryCoffin well, I divided 1 by CPU core frequency to get the length of a "cycle". :p
 
IIRc it's more or less progressing to take more cycles, but the cycles are shorter, so overall time is reducing...
 
my bad, sorry. It's still lower than average though
 
5:14 PM
@TonyTheLion: How come you deleted your question?
 
@AndyProwl because it was silly
the answer was in the blog I posted
 
@TonyTheLion you where after the badge, don't lie
 
silly questions badge :P
 
@TonyTheLion: Oh, ok, I haven't seen the blog so I thought the question made sense
 
shall I undelete?
 
5:16 PM
@TonyTheLion what
 
@TonyTheLion may as well :P
 
@TonyTheLion: Not if you think the question is silly, I was just writing an answer but the answer may as well be wrong, so as long as you've already got the right answer, I think it's fine
 
@AndyProwl well I've undeleted it now
 
@TonyTheLion link
 
@TonyTheLion Ok, let me see if I can write something meaningful
 
5:17 PM
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Q: Release/Acquire semantics wrt std::mutex

Tony The LionI am reading the C++ memory model defined in n3485 and it talks about release/acquire semantics, which from what I understand, and also from the definitions given in this blog: Acquire semantics is a property which can only apply to operations which read from shared memory, whether they are r...

here you go
 
user142019
I need to find a rubber tree.
 
plant one
 
user142019
I need a rubber tree sapling.
 
@Zoidberg swamp biome, and I trust you know to just tap it, not cut it down
 
@Zoidberg what
 
user142019
5:18 PM
@thecoshman Yes I know I need a treetap. :P
 
What do you need rubber for?
 
user142019
To make insulated cables.
 
@melak47 The problem is that DRAM is more complex than that. First you send the read or write command. Then the address is sent in three parts (bank, row, column), but the memory controller will normally hold a number of banks open, so it only has to send row/column part of the time. Then there's a read latency. The CLx is only one (fairly small) piece of the overall picture (though it's important, because most of the others are based on it).
 
user142019
For a nuclear reactor.
 
5:19 PM
oh you're talking about Minecraft
 
user142019
No shit.
 
we were thinking IRL
 
when I start to get seriously into machines, think I will set up a tree farm with rubber trees, and have the wood extracted for rubber
 
@Zoidberg ah, it's not Vanilla
right?
 
5:19 PM
No, it's the clusterfuck edition
 
user142019
I am going to make insulated cables myself in real life yes very logical.
 
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@CatPlusPlus that. :P
 
@CatPlusPlus not a fan of the mod pack then? :P
 
going around stuff in Vanilla is funky
 
5:20 PM
@JerryCoffin D:
 
@thecoshman lame. and non-portable
because when you start using mods, usually you need exact combination
or the shit breaks loose
when you use only vanilla, it runs everywhere
 
It's a modpack, you always get an exact combination
That's not the problem
 
I don't see the problem...
 
For me it's way too complicated and not really fun
 
well, the lameness still holds
BUDs in Vanilla are freaking awsum
 
user142019
5:22 PM
lol
 
anyway, Minicraft will be much more sensible, since it will be scripted in Lua
 
well, I've found that the mods in mindcrack pack for the most part can be ignored if you want to. If you just want to play in a more or less 'vanilla' way, you can
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz I can script Minecraft in Lua using a computer or an advanced computer.
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg Turtles. <3
 
@Zoidberg using what
 
user142019
5:23 PM
> Using a computer or an advanced computer.
 
too much movement
 
whatevs. I have to figure that Waf thingy
stop distracting me
 
I have to shorten my CV
 
talk about something boring for a while
 
@TonyTheLion Get less experience.
@BartekBanachewicz Tony apparently read your mind -- what could be more boring than CVs?
 
5:24 PM
@JerryCoffin I've already cut some of it out, perhaps it should be less detailed. Should I even put in my school grades?
 
@TonyTheLion I'll take some items off your hand :)
 
lol
@JerryCoffin facebook
 
@TonyTheLion Final GPA only -- and that only if it's particularly impressive.
 
@JerryCoffin it's not very impressive, seeing I was a self taught programmer
 
@TonyTheLion Okay, you win! :-)
 
5:25 PM
:)
 
Nobody cares about your grades
 
@TonyTheLion only the most recent stuff is really relevant
 
user142019
Shiny diamonds!
 
user142019
Oh and a bunch of nikolite and lead.
 
5:28 PM
@Zoidberg meh, I've taken to compressing stacks of coal into diamonds :P (though currently need to get a few stacks of coke built up... stupid boilers )
 
user142019
Luc Danton built a giant tank to store lots of stuff, but I forgot how it was called.
 
@Zoidberg huh?
 
Xeo
Hmm... I wonder if I should build my new computer from scratch myself, or get a prebuilt one.
 
user142019
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
 
@Xeo depends, do you enjoy building your own computer?
 
user142019
5:32 PM
Oh server is off. :<
 
@Xeo build from scratch even if for nothing else than lulz :)
 
Xeo
@thecoshman For me, it's mostly about getting the optimal price for the stuff that I need. A prebuilt PC always seems to have some unnecessary stuff. :/
 
@Zoidberg lol
 
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Q: How can I run my C++ program on my Mac using the terminal?

Richard GrayI'm not very familiar with using the terminal and I have a C++ program that I have created with Netbeans. I want to know how i can run this from the terminal. I'm not sure if I have to change to the directory that the program is in and what commands to write. Please can someone help?

 
@Xeo well, you could look at a custom built one. Building yourself is not that hard, just takes a bit of time to get the mix right
 
5:38 PM
0
Q: In-place initialization of structs in std container

Tolgastruct vertex { th::Vector3 point[2]; std::list<vertex>::iterator pointConnection[2]; }; std::list<vertex> vertices; vertices.push_back( {{vertex1->_getDerivedPosition(), vertex2->_getDerivedPosition()}, {vertices.end(), vertices.end()}} ); I couldn't find...

I'm sure vertex is not a POD
it contains a std::list::iterator
 
May or may not be.
 
cheeky OP changed title
damnit
can you init in place in a std container?
 
Xeo
WTF some neighbour has fucking loud music on, with a deep bass. Fuck him, seriously.
 
fuck neighbours, move to the desert
problem solved :)
 
Would you opinion change if they were playing loud JPop you liked or exquisite classical music? :O
 
Xeo
5:43 PM
@ThePhD It's not J-Pop... sigh. And no, it would not, it's annoying as fuck.
 
Ell
Heh well that was the least sneaky mother's day shopping session :3
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion emplacing?
 
Ell
yeah emplace
 
Xeo
Visual C++ doesn't support list-initialization, simple as that. Your vertex v = { ... }; line is aggregate initialization. — Xeo 2 mins ago
 
5:45 PM
@Ell he he he, I get to take advantage of the sales, and bring something with me when I go visit :P
 
Ell
@thecoshman I bought flowers but there was no way to enter the house in a non-suspicious way, I'm pretty sure she knows now xD
 
@Xeo however with the CTP you can at least support initalization lists in your own classes
 
@Ell what? Mums know about this annual day?
 
Mother's day is coming up?
 
@ThePhD for the UK and ROI at least, in the morning :P
 
Xeo
5:49 PM
@thecoshman Wait, wasn't that in May?
 
> I can't for the life of me figure out how to create a 2*5 array that will accept string in one of the dimensions and integers in the other...
lolwut?
 
He's from AS3, for sure.
 
lolll wat?
 
Where arrays can accept anything and everything.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion std::map<std::string, std::vector<int>>? :D
 
5:50 PM
@Xeo ¬_¬ 'UK and ROI'
 
@Xeo hmmm
 
@ThePhD they're called associative arrays
 
@Rapptz Are they? I thought they were just Arrays of Objects.
 
Mothers and Farthers days are celebrated at different times in different countries
 
@ThePhD Every time I get paid, it's mother's day. I have to pay this mother, and that mother, and whatever's left gets spent by my wife...
 
5:51 PM
@ThePhD the way most languages I've seen do it that accept anything and everything is associative.
 
@Rapptz Oh. Well okay.
 
@JerryCoffin oh you :P
 
@JerryCoffin Quick, bury your money before they find out you have some extra!
 
@Rapptz associative array -> dictionaries in python?
 
Then dig it up in Twenty Years
 
5:53 PM
@Borgleader yes
 
@ThePhD ...at which point it will be completely worthless!
 
Ah, true.
 
@JerryCoffin not quite, it could still have sentimental value
 
buy gold then?
 
Ell
Buy pieces of eight
 
5:54 PM
libstdc++ doesn’t have std::map::emplace yet?
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A: How do I make only a single call to the move-constructor?

Konrad RudolphEssentially by using emplace instead of insert: m.emplace(1, std::move(b));

 
@JerryCoffin trade it for gold pressed latinum
 
Ell
it doesn't
 
wow that sucks
 
user142019
@KonradRudolph nein.
 
oh, I like this gold buying idea :D
 
5:55 PM
@JohanLarsson The gold I could buy with any money I have leftover would blow away in the breeze... :-)
@thecoshman I prefer the idea of digging up some gold without paying for it.
 
@JerryCoffin good luck :)
 
@JerryCoffin dig into a bank then :P
 
@TonyTheLion It's like Samuel Clemens's comment about "Classics" -- that they're books people want to have read, but don't want to read. Likewise, already having lots of gold would be nice, but the work to get it...not nearly so nice.
 

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