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9:00 PM
@BartoszKP we're trying to form something, but that goes rather lazy; I practice quite a lot myself, though
@Pawnguy7 that's js being bullshit
 
@Pawnguy7 This part of the document holds a description of every single function in the standard Lua libraries
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh yeah, I hear you, same here
 
If I give it a try, I'll ask someone to record it.
 
@BartoszKP we've nearly finished our studio in the basement though :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz true. Although, the only time I ever heard of to big of a standard library being a problem was PHP.
 
9:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes!
@Pawnguy7 I might get a side job of putting Lua on some sophisticated ARM devices
 
@BartekBanachewicz basement studios! classic :D we had one in an abandoned warehouse : D was demolished few years ago unfortunately
 
now big std would be a problem there
@BartoszKP oh that's extremely sad to hear
we bought like 400 egg cartons and put them on the walls :D
 
Does sophisticated mean small?
 
too bad they do shit for improving sound, but at least it looks badass
@Pawnguy7 it means something like "finese"
 
@Pawnguy7 means smart I think
 
9:03 PM
Hrm.
 
@BartekBanachewicz :DDD we did it in the form of a chessboard - half egg cartons, half foamed polystyrene in a specific shape to add some irregularity for better diffusion
 
Anyway, assuming I could get past my types issue.
I am not sure what specifically makes it faster, in terms of development time.
 
@BartoszKP tbh bass traps for 15PLN apiece would do just the magic needed
 
@Pawnguy7 It's a constant problem with Java--a large part of JVM startup time is really loading library stuff after the JVM proper is loaded and running. In fact, I'd almost (but maybe not quite) go so far as to say that it's been Java's single biggest hindrance in practice.
 
@Pawnguy7 and you are not sure well... if that makes sense. It's easier for people not really being devs though
 
9:05 PM
@JerryCoffin Hmm. I wonder how far a custom class loader could speed that up.
Class loaders are a cool feature.
 
@JerryCoffin Does it load blindly (e.g. without knowing what you use)?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You just want to see my dazzling hot body.
 
@BartekBanachewicz looks nice, didn't know about this. The problem was that the room was quite big, and was empty. We didn't have enough furniture to fill it - so made these random shapes and pasted them all over the room. we did some recordings before and after and the improvement was significant. These bass traps would probably prove much better ;0
 
@BartekBanachewicz I would think that be considered bad practice - quick and easy. Which probably isn't good for me considered my attempts and hard and slow :D
In unrelated questions.
I don't understand what std::remove_reference does.
 
@Pawnguy7 Simple - it removes the reference :P
 
9:08 PM
@Pawnguy7 converts T& to T
 
@Abyx how?
 
> Please write your name and address in Latin alphabet!
I'm broken.
It's Josef the robot and the first thing I notice on the page is this.
 
@Pawnguy7 pattern matching.
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's psychedelic :|
 
9:10 PM
@BartoszKP It's from Machinarium.
 
@EtiennedeMartel wow, looks awesome! thanks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe some, but (I think) only by making fairly wholesale changes to how a lot of it works (or at least how it's packaged). I've never tried to confirm personally, but what I've heard indicates that a lot of the time is simply unzipping JAR files.
 
@JerryCoffin A custom loader could use unzipped JARs :P
Trade space for speed.
 
How might I replicate the functionality of vector::emplace?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It could, but with a fast CPU and slow disk, that could easily backfire.
 
Yeah, I'm just tossing around ideas.
And still not fully sober.
@EvgenyPanasyuk Not surprising, coming from Vlad.
 
yeah, that's why for like 20587340958 years every mutable .net collection has AddRange consistently
 
"Access denied" when trying to force-kill a process owned by my current session in Windows? WTF?
 
@Griwes "Sorry Dave, I can't do that" : D
 
@BartoszKP So what? The stdlib has insert.
 
9:17 PM
So, this artist came by to tell me my tool worked well, and that she was "surprised" about that.
Why do people expect tools to work badly?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes fair point
 
@BartoszKP Also note how that's not part of ICollection<T>, meaning you can't really use it generically.
 
I'm starting to think that 3ds max is harming my reputation.
 
> - append on std array can just return a new array with a larger size and
new elements.
Oh my WHO THE FUCK LINKED ME TO THE ASYLUM
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That Evgeny guy did.
 
9:20 PM
@EtiennedeMartel no
I said that it should just fail to compile
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wouldn't make sense - it would violate LSP
 
I have no choice but to login to @stdasylum and tweet something.
@BartoszKP How so?
It has Add.
 
@EtiennedeMartel that was "Joel Falcou"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes consider List<T> vs HashSet<T>
 
If AddRange breaks LSP, so does Add, no?
 
Ell
9:21 PM
Getting into electronics is so hard :/ I mean, what's a "Charge Pump negative rail decoupling pin"
 
@BartoszKP What breaks there?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hm :| right. I was sure that there is no Add in ICollection :|
@R.MartinhoFernandes sometimes item is added, sometimes not for HashSet<T> - for List<T> it's always added
 
(FWIW, yes, I dislike ICollection too)
 
well now I dislike it too :)
 
@BartoszKP The docs suck, but for me the post conditions of Add have always been "the collection contains the item".
Nothing about sizes.
Why is it only C++ that specifies things in terms of pre- and post-conditions :(
"Adds an item to the ICollection<T>." are terrible docs.
 
9:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't look at size - consider HashSet<X> where X is a more complex type - i.e. two instances of X can have the same keys but some other property different. A more clearer example than HashSet<T> vs List<T> - Dictionary<K, V> vs List<T> - it will just throw sometimes, and sometimes not
 
@BartoszKP Oh well, what a piece of shit :(
 
Let's keep it peaceful here — sehe 7 secs ago
 
That is the perfect example of why things should be specified with post-conditions, not with wishy-washy crap like "Adds an item to the ICollection<T>."
 
He's threatening tanks
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, didn't saw ICollection in practice for quite a lot time, hope I won't have to ; 0
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes exactly. often msdn sucks totally with incomplete explanations
 
Also another reason why I don't like mutability. Nobody knows how to fucking design interfaces around it properly (IMO not because it's hard, but because programmers suck).
 
and we got back to Haskell again ; D
 
hot chocolate is so tasty, especially with molten mallow on top
 
There should be an ICollection interface with only non-mutating operations and another with the mutable bits.
 
9:30 PM
but FWIW: in my most recent .NET project in my company it was agreed as a best practice to have everything immutable
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes accept without the 'I' part
 
: D
@thecoshman good point, currently in my private projects I use the c) version from here
elegant, but not very comfortable though
 
They copied some bad ideas from Java, fixed some, and added others. That sorta pisses me off.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I fail to see why Java has it. I fail to see why Java having it should mean C# has it. I fail to see why code having it means you continue to write new code with it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, the most pathetic thing about the I was the explanation - that it was meant to be a reference to COM and DCOM. When at the time it was already hated and obsolete
 
9:35 PM
Oh, I don't care about the I.
 
It is a stupid thing that adds nothing to anything.
 
I'm talking about the interface specifications.
 
Does anyone know std::deque analog for C#? (something like ChunkedList) I asked several C#'ers - with not success.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well do you care about DCOM? :P
 
Maps in Java don't implement Collection. (so no problem with throwing on Add)
 
9:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... is that so...
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk here
 
Xeo
@EvgenyPanasyuk List<List<T>>!
 
ergh, fuck you robot! you fucking made me look up Java at home
 
Ell
okay, brainfart now, a word is an int, right?
 
what do you mean?
 
9:37 PM
@Xeo I am interested in ready one.
 
on what architecture do you mean?
 
@Ell A word is a word. It's not well defined.
 
What is wrong with this syntax?
 
@Pawnguy7 it's on paste bin :P
 
@thecoshman Oh trust me. I wouldn't be enumerating things that Java does better than C# if I wasn't sure of them.
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9:37 PM
@Pawnguy7 You did not unpack args.
 
Xeo
@Ell A word is defined to be the "machine-native integer", IIRC
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk well maybe this or this
 
@Griwes I am not positive what that means.
 
@Pawnguy7 args is a pack; you cannot just use a pack, you have to unpack it.
 
@BartoszKP that does not look like chunked: nitodeque.codeplex.com/SourceControl/latest#Source/…
 
9:39 PM
They picked the lousy containers through inheritance solution, but they didn't even do that properly.
 
@Pawnguy7 If args is a pack, then args... is unpacked args pack.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk what does "chunked" mean?
 
Implemented with chunks, not as a circular buffer.
 
@BartoszKP that looks like double-linked list - codeproject.com/script/Articles/ViewDownloads.aspx?aid=11754 - without O(1) random access
 
Ignotum per ignotum :(
 
9:43 PM
@BartoszKP It means that it should be implemented internally as something like std::vector<std::array<T, 512>*>
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk so I'm guessing that you don't really care about the memory management, but need a list with O(1) indexed access?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can I recommend Ogonek to our lead?
 
Prolly not :S
 
@BartoszKP I need O(1) push_back, O(1) random access, and data should be stored in chunks, because <VS2012 has really poor allocator for large objects. I think that C# community should came up with some general solution like ChunkedList.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dat confidence.
 
9:45 PM
No one ever beta tested it!
VS std::deque is a joke. I'm not joking. Well, that last part was a joke. Totally joking now. Help, I'm trapped in a loop.
 
We were talking about our subpar support of Unicode in the engine.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, but boost::container::deque is much better.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk I think that it shouldn't because it seems like a very localized problem if you care about efficient memory management in C#. If you care that much about memory efficiency perhaps C++ would be better?
 
And we came to the conclusion that writing stuff ourselves would be painful, and that ICU is made of radioactive dog shit.
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@EtiennedeMartel What kind of support?
 
9:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes We can store things. And that's about it.
 
But what do you want to do instead?
 
The question arose when the aforementioned lead wanted to write a Unicode aware "to upper" function.
 
Well, what if I told I haven't done that yet :)
ICU can handle that.
Small price to pay.
 
@BartoszKP Well, there was following situation: C# guys are really scared by List<> (std::vector analog) on x32, because of bad allocator on <VS2012. So I am wondering, if they have such poor allocator - they probably should have some general replacement for their List, like ChunkedList.
 
You mean a bad allocator in the CLR?
 
9:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, bad allocator for large objects
 
@Griwes After adding ... after the args, it still fails. Am I missing something else?
 
@EtiennedeMartel ... feel compelled to wind up robot by saying you can just subtract (or is it add) 32 (I think is the offset)
 
@Pawnguy7 How does it look like now?
 
Theoretically this seems like a problem, possibly. But in practice really, if you care about how the allocator works and you're worrying about the memory then:
a) stop whining and make your algorithms more efficient in terms of memory complexity ;P
b) switch to C++
 
@thecoshman Dude that cannot even properly uppercase this sentence
 
9:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes There is code - you could test it on C# VS2008 or VS2010 - it shows really poor result. While C++ VS2005 shows much better.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know I know
 
(Note how I avoided apostrophes and punctuation to make it easy!)
 
well, I would also check that characters where in a certain range first :P
 
I give up.
 
9:51 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk Hence theoretically :)
 
This library is too much of a lost cause.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk Ow. But if you build with VS2012 it works ok?
 
@Pawnguy7 Should work. Care to produce a testcase?
 
Same machines?
 
@BartoszKP Personally, I don't have such problem - I just wondering what C# programmers usually do with that situation. Because they did have such problems in <VS2012: connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/521147/…
 
9:53 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk All right, I thought that you're implementing something and really care about this without any sense :) This way yes, this seems an interesting topic. Don't know what to do with it though : )
 
@BartoszKP That is not theoretically - that test is really simple, and it shows that their large object heap allocator wasn't implemented with well-known algorithms.
 
Maybe I am thinking of this wrong.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, C# VS2012 finally has much better allocator for large objects (and by the way - slower)
 
It's not the VS version, then.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk theoretically in a sense, that in typical .NET use cases you usually don't care about this. I'm even using C# for a scientific project, when speed & memory are a bit of an issue, but still haven't reached the wall described in this article
 
9:55 PM
If you compile with VS10 and run in a machine with 4.0.30319.17379 runtime it should work fine.
 
I presume that the "VS version" is a shorthand for the CLR version
 
@BartoszKP Here are numbers for that test on my machine (x32 mode):
C# VS2005: 21MiB
C# VS2008: 21MiB
C# VS2010: 622MiB
C# VS2012: 1738MiB
C++ VS2005: 1915MiB
 
repeatable?
 
@BartoszKP It's a totally misleading shorthand, though.
 
9:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, I wanted to get to that just now : )
 
If you compile with VS2012 and run in a machine with the 4.0.30319.269 runtime it will have the problem.
It depends on the target machine, not on the compiler.
 
@BartoszKP When I tested - I selected maximum available runtime in VS.
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk by "VS2010" vs "VS2012" you mean just the clr version right?
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk That's misleading too :(
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk yes, so as @R.MartinhoFernandes says you should report what exact runtime was used, not the compiler version
 
9:59 PM
If it says ".NET 4.5" (4.0.30319.17379) your code can still run seamlessly on the ".NET 4.0" runtime (4.0.30319.269) assuming you don't use new library features. (and vice-versa)
 
exactly
 
ok, for VS2008 I used 3.5, VS2010 - 4.0, VS2012 - 4.5, and so on.
 
Microsoft sucks at version numbers.
 
What I want to do is basically what std::vector::emplace does.
 
lol it's midnight here and I need to get up early ;00 thanks, bye everyone
 
10:00 PM
Just... without a templated class.
This object makes some lambdas using this.
Which becomes invalidated when it gets copied.
 
I'm confused how the example doesn't help you understand what it does
 
@Pawnguy7 Why the first argument?
 
Also hi
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not sure. For some reason I was thinking of passing in the type name.
 
The cppreference example for emplace_back is one of the better ones.
 
10:02 PM
Well, it has a templated type.
 
@Pawnguy7 Just keep the template parameter. You want to pass a type name (template argument), not an object (function argument)
 
now, before I waste time learning to use scons, is there a 'better' option?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes except for certain things like iterator blocks compiled on a system that has the 4.5 framework, when run on the 4.0 version /cc @EvgenyPanasyuk source
@thecoshman lol. never been asked
 
SCons is okay. I don't like it too much but I don't hate it either.
 
@sehe thanks, make sense.
 
10:06 PM
erm... so, is there a 'better' option?
 
@sehe That uses new library features! whistles
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk You know, it doesn't. However, it is a "nice surprise"
 
like function<type>(args)?
 
@sehe yeah :)
 
@Pawnguy7 yes
 
10:06 PM
okay
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The thing is, the user doesn't use new library features. The compiler does that, on behalf of the user. Note: it happened if the build server has the 4.5 framework, not just if it's targeted IIRC
 
@thecoshman yeah, premake, perhaps
 
@Pawnguy7 Like function<type(args)>?
 
@BartekBanachewicz good things are?
 
@sehe He didn't mean std::function
 
10:08 PM
@sehe that was the original hope, yes. In terms of using it.
Oh, and yes, function was like bar.
Or foo.
 
@thecoshman it uses Lua
 
Right now I use it like setScreen(SomeScreenClassHere(stuff, stuff))
 
@sehe I know. Hence the whistles.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... so either way I learn a language and a build system?
 
I was hoping to maintain the syntax, but avoid the copy.
 
10:09 PM
@thecoshman To be honest there's no real "best" option for build systems. They all have pros and cons.
 
@sehe Can I still invoke drunkenness?
 
@thecoshman Both Lua and Python are very easy to learn
 
@Pawnguy7 Can't.
 
@Rapptz so in short "they all suck, scons does not suck that much"
 
also you need minimal language knowledge to use them
 
10:10 PM
Premake is not better than scons.
 
@thecoshman no, scons is good. GNU make sucks
 
I only used SCons once and I didn't like it very much so I stopped using it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he said 'better'
 
I use premake at work, scons for hobby stuff, and I would not pick premake over scons.
buildoptions { "foo" }

configuration { "debug" }
    buildoptions { "bar" }
configuration { "release" }
    buildoptions { "qux" }

defines { "quux" }
This will not define "quux" in a debug build with premake. (Guess why)
I hate this crap.
It's fucking horrible.
 
I use ninja and I made my own meta build system out of boredom
 
10:13 PM
IIRC when I looked at it, scons couldn't even generate multiple projects
 
@DeadMG not a concern for me
 
@DeadMG I am pretty sure it can.
Also project generation is a secondary-tier feature, at least for me
fuck VS.
 
@BartekBanachewicz just use CMake
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk meh. I don't like it
 
CMake is the worst option
 
10:16 PM
We're using it at work, horrible
opensource uses it, horrible
so big fat NO
also good night
 
Oh wait.
Why does this compile? bob.emplace_back(sf::Vector2i());
 
Oh my reasons for not liking CMake are different.
 
VS-specific thing again?
 
@Rapptz Why? It has some bad sides, like very simple language, but it does it's job well.
 
10:16 PM
@Pawnguy7 Why shouldn't it?
 
@Rapptz Good
Denied.
You're a robot!
 
Ell
@Rapptz but it's purrrrty
 
 
@Ell I thought it was more like fucken ugly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes assuming it is composed of int x, int y (it is), wouldn't I provide those?
 
10:17 PM
^ such pretty pictures
Such shitty question... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19529033/class-usage-in-test-project-gives-unresolved-external-symbol
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk Management of CMakeLists.txt is horrible, the syntax for the "simple" language feels unintuitive and ugly to me, etc.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, the source is fucken ugly, but the coloured output is purrty
 
@Pawnguy7 But you can also construct a Vector2i from a Vector2i can't you?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
 
(It's effectively the same as push_back in that case, but pointless is different than wrong)
 
10:18 PM
Oh. That counts as a parameter too.
Never mind me :D
 
@Rapptz I have large project on CMake - don't have problems with CMakeLists.txt management.
 
@TonyTheLion lolololol
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk The fact you have to do so is idiotic to me.
 
@Rapptz Well, it works. Do you have a build server that doesn't require any configuration?
 
A lot of things "work". Doesn't mean I can't criticise it.
 
10:20 PM
Stross is drunk tweeting.
 
> "This is probably the most painful bug report I’ve ever read, describing in glorious technicolor the steps leading to Knight Capital’s $465m trading loss due to a software bug that struck late last year, effectively bankrupting the company."
 
@Rapptz ok, which alternative you use? Can it generate VS projects, make files, work with QTCreator?
 
I don't use anything.
 
It does imply you can't usefully criticize it.
 
I've used everything.
Well, most of them. SCons, Premake, CMake, etc
 
10:23 PM
Yes, CMakeLists.txt rubs me the wrong way too. But it doesn't seem like especially burdensome compared to anything else I've used
 
I even opted for more obscure ones.
 
@Rapptz Me too. Don't forget MsBuild, Ant, NAnt, vcproj etc
 
At the moment I just generate ninja files and go with that.
I don't care about MSVC so it makes my life easier.
 
@sehe I had a recruiter from Knight Capital contacting me sometime in 2012. Glad I told them to fuck off.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Before or after august 1st?
 
10:26 PM
February or so.
 
> In one of its attempts to address the problem, Knight uninstalled the new RLP code from the seven servers where it had been deployed correctly.
wat
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oooh. lol, weren't they looking for pythonistas?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just think: if you'd been there to fix things, they might still be in business.
10,000 people are now out of work, and it's all your fault!
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:-)
 
@sehe No, C++.
 
@JerryCoffin Sometimes, it's not a bad thing for a company to go out of business
> "This action worsened the problem, causing additionalincoming parent orders to activate the Power Peg code that was present on those servers, similar to what had already occurred on the eighth server"
Amazing, innit?
Headless chickens running the show
 
10:34 PM
@sehe Sometimes -- but certainly not always. I honestly don't know enough about Knight to guess in this case though.
 
Having read that committee report... it's quite devastating. They hadn't most any precaution or quality guideline in place. Risk monitoring was a human task and the technicians were left to scramble when things went awry. The technicians then also messed up big time, because... well, they had no clue what they were effecting (?) see ^^^ (Griwes's message+my response)
They were fined $12Mio, payable in 10 days. Whoa
The self-driving Google car will automatically take you to your destination after first stopping at a couple of sponsored locations.
 
@sehe Yes, I can see that at least some things were being quite poorly managed. That doesn't necessarily mean the company as a whole was at all evil, that essentially all of them deserved to be out of work, etc. though.
 
ergh... is it actually this much effort to sort out build system for a project, or I am just so... huh... not sure what the adjective would be...
 
@JerryCoffin you're bringing the employees into the picture. I have never alluded to them. I said what I said.
@thecoshman thick, dense, whimsical, undiscerning, bikeshedding, out-of-touch, merry, drunk, idealistic etc.?
 
whats up everyone?
 
10:41 PM
the sky, depending on your point of reference. In the popular sense, it's up for everyone
 
gas prices
 
ack
 
@sehe no, no, yes (but not really fitting for this context), not sure (perhaps explain what this means a bit better), what do you mean by that, from what, doubtful, not at all, I wouldn't think so
 
another "America is the center of the world!" dude.
 
@thecoshman I approve of this
@DeadMG I'd think so :/
Don't worry. Murkins are the best. Just, recognizable in some ways
 
10:42 PM
@thecoshman As far as I can tell, nobody creates quality build systems. It's one of those things where everybody is like, "Fuck it, just hack it till it works PHP-style".
 
@JustinChang apparently your daily apostrophe allowance
 
oooooh. The pirate deals a grammar related jab. The end of the universe is impending
 
sorry: What is going on everybody?
 
You can see that for yourself :/
 
@DeadMG I've start this project nearly every night for the like... the last week. I get a basic an initial 'hello world' class wrote, try to get the build script sorted for it, and flump out
 
10:44 PM
@JerryCoffin HFT? Evil. ;)
 
@thecoshman I'd wait until you have an application worth building before looking at build scripts.
 
@DeadMG I think a few people have -- but it's so unusual, they can build a huge company around it, so they (obviously) never release it to the rest of us.
 
Why doesn't VS still support lambdas in a watch?
 
@DeadMG need to compile some how
 
@thecoshman Just push "Build" in your favourite IDE.
 
10:45 PM
@JerryCoffin ninja was released, though it's hardly a complete build system
@DeadMG lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel Erm, you mean compiling and running arbitrary code? :S
 
@EtiennedeMartel What do you mean?
 
@thecoshman A "hello world class"? Not a promising start...
 
@sehe I want to do a quick watch on a expression, and VS doesn't want to because the expression "cannot contain lambda expression".
 
I mean, don't get me wrong, I am the kind of guy that would jump at any opportunity to rant against VS's debugger, but supporting lambdas is quite complex.
 
10:46 PM
@JerryCoffin no, but I want to get a build script that I can at least start with
 
It also fails with anonymous methods.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You mean, an instance of a lambda expression? Or do you actually type [] in there?
 
@sehe I'm writing C#.
I'm fairly sure they could just shove Roslyn in there and call it a day. So hopefully we'll get it in VS2020.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, waait. That helps. Yeah, that's pretty tricky to support. Reliably (I mean, without introduce all manner of observer paradox in the appdomain)
 
Roslyn can't do code gen yet! (Suckers!)
 
10:47 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ^^
@R.MartinhoFernandes It can't? That doesn't jibe with my recollection of it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There is some script host thingy in there however.
 
@sehe Not in the latest CTP I remember.
 
Used it on one of my game engines.
 
It's not out yet, is it?
 
I was sending C# code over a socket and the engine would execute it.
Pretty reliable.
 
10:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel You mean the DLR?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, their scripting API.
 
So it seems like today is #AnnounceATabletDay. Clearly #samsung didn't get the memo... http://t.co/mFZLhCf8ti
That burn
 
Oh dear.
 
I don't get it.
 
10:52 PM
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They're making the competition look bad. And teaming up with Apple to do it
 
@sehe Isn't that marketing is supposed to be about?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not at all (are you showing signs of living too close to the US too?)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds horrifically insecure.
 
@DeadMG You seem to forget that .NET code runs in a VM.
 
10:56 PM
@Kent that's true, and this is exactly why I usually do as I posted. The introducer was meant to make this clear ("I'd say"). I'm taking the risk that my well-meant alternative angle bequeaths unappreciativeness :/ (Is it silly-word Friday yet?) — sehe 11 secs ago
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm pretty sure you could still do some rather unpleasant things from inside that VM.
 
@DeadMG Like fucking up a managed heap.
Yeah, that won't go very far.
 
> Apparently, the rules are complex enough to reach Turing-completeness.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ah. So I picked up on the character-contrast correctly there
 
@sehe Yes.
 
10:57 PM
I like how that follows a mention of "subtract and branch if less than or equal to zero".
As if having complex rules and Turing-completeness had any relationship.
 
Turing had complicated relationships, right
 
@EtiennedeMartel woah
 
Hey, guys. I tried changing my profile picture, but my picture in chat did not change. Does anyone know why?
 
I wish that being suspicious of every new person didn't pay off.
 
@JustinChang Be patient. Takes a while for caches to propagate.
 
10:59 PM
@sehe yeah, liking a bit of cock back then was risky business
 

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