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2:00 PM
Ell referred me to this VLC media player, to convert MIDI to other stuff.
In the last version, it removed support of it :\
 
@Pawnguy7 elaborate. I might be able to help.
 
For those that missed it, there are portions missing in the transcript. They were moved to another room. The moving messages were also edited, because for gosh-knows-why, one can edit audit messages like that. — R. Martinho Fernandes 10 secs ago
Please make it visible. Free attention to that question is good.
 
I've spent 3 days writing a midi loader that got lost because my backup failed :/
I still feel sad about that project.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I was thinking, I should probably start adding audio to games I make.
Seeing as how I am musically untalented, the only real hope was via MIDI, it seems.
 
@Pawnguy7 ahem. And you want it procedurally generated too?
 
2:01 PM
@Pawnguy7 Have you tried Cubase?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I did consider that, actually :D
 
@Pawnguy7 MIDI is a sorta "vector" format for music. Using regular audio files is usually simpler
 
Anyway, I was looking for a conversion from MIDI to something simpler that SFML can play, say .ogg.
 
@Pawnguy7 A process of converting midi to actual soundwave is called, funny enough, rendering.
however, you obviously need a renderer.
now, I don't mean the VST host or stuff, I mean the synthesizer or VST itself
because any real DAW can host VSTs
 
Oh, and also.
MIDI notes might also work for, say, button presses.
 
2:03 PM
these are called "midi control messages", not notes
 
Ah.
 
or maybe you meant all that procedural stuff, I dunno really.
 
Well, it was represented as a note in the GUI :D
No procedural generation.
 
okay then, so, you want to compose midi files yourself? Or record them?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It was you who decided we shouldn't ever use unsigned, right? Perhaps comment on this?
 
2:04 PM
and then render to wave files?
 
More or less.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think Bjarne touched on this subject during GN2013 also. Just saying.
 
@Pawnguy7 if you want a nice VST pack for start, I recommend free Kore pack from Native Instruments
top quality stuff there.
I actually still use their piano synthesizer for practicing :v, haven't found anything better for free.
but if you want more, say, orchestral parts or really weird sounds, then well, go for a hunt.
or prepare to spend a few buckets of bucks
 
Xeo
I want to []comment all over questions like this :(
 
2:08 PM
eh flip :: (a -> b -> c) -> (b -> a -> c)
 
@Jefffrey ok, I see. The user definitely went off at some point and I'm not defending his behaviour after that. Still, looking at the context of the entire conversation, he would ask a perfectly normal question and get only ridiculous responses, and stay nice for a very long time. To me, this was provoked by the room being complete dickwads and I don't think that should be happening in the official C++ room on SO — perhaps Pekka 3 mins ago
"Official"
 
@Carter your input isn't terribly helpful to the conversation we're having here, especially as not everyone in that room trolled you — perhaps Pekka 40 secs ago
Hahahaha
 
@Borgleader lol wat
 
Gallery mode? What happened?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Carter happened
 
2:10 PM
@EtiennedeMartel This happened.
 
> Some of those users actually remind me of the types of trolls I have encountered in my experience who get off on making fun of dead people on facebook.
what the hell
Please ignore @R.MartinhoFernandes as he was one of the more vicious trolls, with a very unhealthy appetite for new users. — Carter81 1 min ago
ahahah @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
This is so funny
 
I'm about to run out of comment upvotes on meta
 
Ooh a meta post!
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz flip is cool
@EtiennedeMartel refresh
 
2:15 PM
-3
A: How to handle trolling and abuse in chat?

Carter81This is a proper way to report the problem. Moderator has seen and handled this, or at least it has been brought to their attention. Users can only do so much, to the point that one can expect them to. Flagged for deletion. There is no reason commenting should continue, as commenting is not cha...

 
Yeah, reading that.
I'm surprised Meta users are actually defending us.
 
aaand there go all the comments.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I honestly wonder what I did.
 
Comments nuked. Won't the mods fucking stop?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, I was about to reply to you!
 
2:17 PM
I've managed to open it before :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's his answer. :/
 
@EtiennedeMartel You can now :)
 
Want a copy? :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes other than stomping on that puppy, you mean?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You should drop names next time instead of saying "some of the regulars".
 
2:18 PM
Stomping on what?
I stayed on the fringe for the most part.
 
It's always the same people anyway. You can even make a macro out of it!
 
@EtiennedeMartel I deliberately didn't drop names.
 
> This question was removed from Meta Stack Overflow for reasons of moderation.
the whole Q got burninated
 
@BartoszKP Yay!
 
2:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes stomping on all the fringe puppies ;)
 
Like, "I really disliked how <names> handled this current matter!"
 
dayyum, they closed it down :P
 
IOW GTFO Carter
 
And then copy and paste that in every meta question about how someone got angry at us.
 
I really need 10k on meta
 
2:19 PM
^
 
Every time I get close, though, I end up giving a ton of rep away for bounties to get feature requests actually looked at. Such a stupid system for feature requests and bug reports.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not sure how to do it though - HTML page copy would be OK?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Same here. I just realised I cant see up/down votes :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Most of the time I post bounties on meta, nothing happens :(
 
2:20 PM
@BartoszKP Typically we use page capture software to produce a PNG. If you don't already have such a browser plugin installed you may find that difficult in this instance.
 
Wait, we're getting more and more Poles in there.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Good idea. I'll get one
 
@Xeo dsnt seem to be working, use sudo :P
 
2 days ago, by BartoszKP
@ScottW No, Barteks do not taste well. I'm just a replacement when he is not here.
 
2:21 PM
It's a Polish invasion!
 
hurr durr.
 
: D
 
Well, it was fun until it lasted. Time to go back at doing something useful.
 
OH COME ON
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit +1 for being one of the only seemingly moral and upright people in this community. THank you for not victim blaming, and actually having eyes to see the truth of how disgusting some people were. Thank you VERY much. I wish everyone was like you. — Carter81 32 secs ago
haha
 
2:23 PM
I wrote huge effort post and they deleted the question
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, at least it's a change from being told I'm too nice.
 
@CatPlusPlus you did?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ...
 
Can someone copy/paste the URL Cat just posted? Cos I can't see it.
 
2:24 PM
Someone link it to LightnessRacesOnHighHorse
 
Both Barteks so useful !
 
FTR only posting that because I disagree with our Tomalak-so-crusader
 
2:25 PM
@EtiennedeMartel you could say we are....bipolar
 
@melak47 Tripolar now.
 
@BartoszKP I thought the plural was Bartki! :p
 
Actually, wait, quadripolar.
Griwes is Polish, right?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Think about it!
 
@melak47 correct : D
 
2:26 PM
@EtiennedeMartel aye
 
@BartekBanachewicz How did I know he posted an URL
 
A few years ago I didn't even know Poland had Internet access.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Stop drinking
 
@EtiennedeMartel A few years ago I think it probably didn't
 
: DD
 
2:26 PM
Harharhar.
 
Would be nice to go back to that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit leave me out of your mind games
 
@BartekBanachewicz You are my mind games
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I like your style. Reminds me of The City & the City which I have just ordered yesterday.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit IKR
 
2:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought you'd enjoy that
 
Also ahahahahahahahahah Robot is a vicious troll
3
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The guy lost me at "moral".
 
Ahahhahaha rape analogy
Oh god that guy is brain damaged
 
@BartoszKP Thanks for your service :)
 
2:28 PM
The guy cannot claim moral high ground in this case.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit glad to help
 
@EtiennedeMartel I beg to differ. His claim may be utterly false, but when has that ever stopped anybody? (especially somebody who clearly doesn't give a crap about honesty or accuracy?)
 
> The Lounge? Your story really doesn't surprise me all that much with that room...
 
@JerryCoffin I want to hug you.
And then punch you. And then hug you again.
 
2:29 PM
@Pawnguy7 we're so vicious
 
@BartoszKP Oh gawd the font hinting.
 
what, is he still going?
 
What is it with Polish people and fonts?
 
(Sorry Cat, I know I promised)
 
2:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes They only recently got Internet.
 
> This website is quite embarrassing, so I deleted all information in my profile to avoid others knowing I even visited this site. Did not realize its users were so unprofessional.
 
@Jefffrey oh gawd
 
@Jefffrey "I'm right and the entire world is wrong".
 
cue the image I just posted
 
Everyone has a mental disability!
Everyone is a troll!
 
2:31 PM
@EtiennedeMartel No, no, he was calling me moral
 
I don't even know what a troll is!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You don't even know what that word means.
 
Because if I knew I'd know it was me all along!
 
> Connaissez-vous Phil Nash, Bartek Banachewicz et Tomalak Geret'kal sur Twitter?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ? what's "font hinting"?
 
2:32 PM
NO TWITTER I DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE PEOPLE.
 
lol. (it was so funny that I even forgot to switch keyboard)
 
@BartoszKP The thing that makes rendered text not ugly
 
ugh
 
@BartoszKP It's what makes the text not look godawful.
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
2:32 PM
лол
 
@EtiennedeMartel You are right only if you are Galileo.
 
now to see if I've got a copy of the C++ spec lying around at work
 
user1804599
This horrible Zwarte Piet debate again.
 
@Jefffrey You're right if you're not left.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Based on...?
 
2:33 PM
In unrelated news, I think I successfully converted from MIDI.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My gigantic balls.
 
@Pawnguy7 Good. Now go extract a frame from a Flash file.
 
@EtiennedeMartel But I follow you :(
 
@Jefffrey Ahaha
 
@EtiennedeMartel The ones in your pants or the ones shoved down your throat? :)
 
2:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So did you mean that I need one, or that I have one? :P I'm not sure if it's ugly or not in the picture
 
@Jefffrey Hm?
 
Stop trying to trick Pawnguy into doing your dirty work
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They're the same.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Really now? But I never tweet interesting stuff.
You really have low standards.
 
@BartoszKP The picture is horrible. Whatever generated it does not have any hinting.
 
I know he won't succeed.
 
2:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel :'(( I follow you too.
 
Your confidence in me is so encouraging.
 
@BartekBanachewicz See above.
 
Actually I don't know what hurts my brain more: game dev or flash.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :0 First thing I've found, called "FireShot" - I'll see to something better then, thanks for the hint
 
@EtiennedeMartel I was considering following Big Ben. Go figure.
 
2:35 PM
@Jefffrey Hrm... flash definitely is a contender.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I know
 
user1804599
It’s lovely how the UN is involved in this crap.
 
@EtiennedeMartel First thing I did this morning: buy the upgrade for DX:HR :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel I didn't say it had turned out to be a positive lifestyle choice
 
ahahah twitter "follow" button being a lifestyle choice
 
2:36 PM
Alright I followed you both.
 
well it prolly is, but the thought is funny
 
Now you better tweet uninteresting stuff.
Otherwise I will feel threatened.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I get a lot of that (but she undoubtedly got a lot more).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tempted to flag this! I mean, you didn't like my jibe about systemic typographical mistakes in Indian-centric SO chat rooms
@EtiennedeMartel Good luck!
 
@CatPlusPlus Robot is so nice I could probably eat his kidney and he'd apologize for leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
 
2:38 PM
@Jefffrey lel I only now found bear's answer, via twitter
 
@EtiennedeMartel ITT Robot is canadian ;)
 
Ell
Okay! Time to try to implement shunting yard algorithm in haskell, wish me luck :S
 
@Ell yay haskell!!
 
@EtiennedeMartel it would be a bit oily though
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, I meant it as a subtle jibe on Cat's adventures with Courier New (the over-the-top subtlety was added because I promised him I'd stop mocking him for that)
 
2:40 PM
Damn it my HwndHost is eating my scrolling events.
He doesn't want to lose focus.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel nomnomnom scroll events!
 
@EtiennedeMartel greedy fecker
 
boost::confidence
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, he can just mock you for tipping an ATM with 40€ for all the nice service.
 
anyway @Ell the algorithm description is pretty easy on wikipedia
 
2:41 PM
@Xeo That was the deal, yes.
Oh gosh, unintended pun.
 
Xeo
Did you get it back in the end?
 
Haven't checked my bank thingy yet.
I care too little about my money.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeah the algo seems fine, it's just my haskell which is not :P But it will be a learning adventure! :)
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought you had to cut back on your book budget cause you left 30€ in the ATM or something? :p
 
2:43 PM
@Ell you might want to solve a few of Hs99 too
 
I mean, I set up budgets for non-essentials and more or less abide by them, but that's it. I don't really keep track closely of how much I have left.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's possible I accidentally implied that I care :)
 
@Xeo What?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes You care too much since you didn't even want to buy yourself a certain book for 30€
 
2:43 PM
Time to shave my head.
BRB.
 
@Xeo No, that's a bad deal.
 
Ugh, some guy wants to "agree to disagree" on whether something is UB. What a constructive attitude
 
Xeo
He can try disagreeing with the standard
@EtiennedeMartel Did you miss that episode of "The Robot's Faulty RAM"?
 
@Xeo inb4 "he can try disagreeing with my fist"
 
Xeo
2:44 PM
1 min ago, by melak47
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought you had to cut back on your book budget cause you left 30€ in the ATM or something? :p
 
@Xeo And I recently found a bookshop that might help me in finding a cheaper copy.
 
I don't get youtube people posting someone's song or album and then writing "OMG 6M VIEWS THANX YOU ALL"
for what the fuck are you thanking? people wanting to just get the music?
 
:DDD
 
@BartekBanachewicz thanks for the ad money maybe? :>
 
Xeo
You don't just get ad money from 1 video.
 
2:46 PM
@melak47 please tell me it's not how it works
 
@BartekBanachewicz idk
 
And also: "I'm not the owner of copyrights etc. " as if it's going to matter in case of any legal issues
 
Xeo
And I don't think you can even become a partner with that kind of content.
 
@Xeo yeah, youtube has that 3 strike thing. if you get 3 DMCA takedowns, you're account goes poof
 
I should start flagging all those videos for copyright infringement, but not until Spotify starts working here properly :/
oh god it's spelled infringement
 
Xeo
2:49 PM
Were you hungry and thinking of your fridge? :P
 
I always spell it: infirgnirnninffment
 
@Xeo heh now I see it.
well I wouldn't mind a Triple Whopper
 
Xeo
@BartoszKP i10t, everybody should get that
 
hm... Boost.Asio really looks great with (stackful) coroutines - m_acceptor.async_accept(clientSocket, yield[ec]);
 
> You know you're in Whistler when the public library has a ski/snowboard rack at the front.
 
2:52 PM
@Xeo ; D
 
Hm, that was peculiar.
 
@Pawnguy7 what?
 
This project ran fine last night.
7
 
@BartoszKP Yeah when they say "No copyright infringement intended" I'm like, well fuck, you're blatantly doing it anyway, stfu
 
And now keeps having UB or something.
Relinked SFML and it worked.
 
2:54 PM
@Pawnguy7 Implies the UB was already there
 
Well, not UB, just um... breaking stuff in the standard library.
Makes it show an error or whatever.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, it is funny how people seem to ignore how that translates to "I know I do not have permission to use it, but erm... ah go on"
 
So anyway, the window opened fine, but when I loaded the font, it imploded.
I don't what changed though.
 
@thecoshman yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz that reminds me. Do you know anything about pdb files?
 
2:56 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, it's like shoplifting and then saying "but I didn't intend to do that!" : D
 
@Pawnguy7 they store debug information.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes. I tried building SFML (again) to make them.
But it still showed me assembly.
 
90k, finally.
 
@Pawnguy7 That means sources for this pdb weren't found
 
@Pawnguy7 break the code, and look at debug symbols
it should show you if you have the .pdb loaded
 
2:57 PM
Not sure, I may have misread it.
 
oh fuck that's blatantly CarterWhatever sucking up. Incoming "reversed serial upvoting" tomorrow, then
 
Should they be with the DLL, or the... did you call it the mock library?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oopsie
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit haha
 
lol he loves you
 
2:58 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit D'awwwwwwww that is so cute
 
also probably you got a stalker
 
Foreeever
 

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