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11:00 PM
what you been up today?
 
sleeping mostly
ate something that disagreed with me so it's One of Those Times™
my head feels like someone caked my brain in concrete
 
Evening ladies
 
sbi
I think now is the perfect time of day to post this:
> For you Americans out there: Starting today I'm on vacation. For 3 weeks. And I have 3.5 more weeks of paid vacation. Per year. #JustSaying — sbi
I am sorry for you.
 
lol
 
@sbi They probably make a lot more money though :(
 
11:02 PM
@sbi :(
@sbi I hear the french average even more than that per year (barely)
 
That's pretty rude @sbi
 
@JimNorton meh, it's the internet
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay Don't you think I could chose to do that, too? Having the choice is what matters.
@JimNorton Is it? Why?
 
@sbi Raising the middle finger is what's rude.
 
sbi
Better now?
:)
 
11:04 PM
@DeadMG meh, sucks, I know that feeling, used to have that quite often
 
@sbi You mean, the choice of moving to America? I doubt you'll make the same amount of money in Germany or any other european country
Moving away from friends and family doesn't make it much of a choice anymore
 
Ok, here we go... and cue Mericans suck meme.
 
@JimNorton middle finger isn't rude, it's the middle finger
 
Better now?
 
Where is the page that shows you badge progress?
 
sbi
11:06 PM
@ManofOneWay The choice of giving up some of that money in order to have 6 or 7 weeks of vacation per year. Try to do that in the US. Then try to convince an European employer to pay you more when you give up that vacation for more money. Now who has the choice?
 
@JimNorton why in the heck do you come here and only complain about what regulars say?? Seems wrong
 
@TonyTheLion That's not all I do.
 
@TonyTheLion Raising thumb, index, and middle, and showing the back of your hand is considered rude in Britain IIRC
 
@JimNorton no, but you're doing it now... and I'm not in the mood to deal with it
so better quit it
 
11:07 PM
Oh lord.
Now who is the one sounding entitled?
 
@sbi US law does not require employers to grant any vacation or holidays, and about 25% of all employees receive no paid vacation time or paid holidays
 
@sbi I would easily choose the american salaries =) However, I don't want to move there.
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay I pity you. Live's gonna be harsh to to you.
 
I get 25 days (workdays) of holiday a year
 
11:09 PM
^UK version
 
Ell
I have :D
 
@MooingDuck That's harsh, I knew most employers in the US were stingy about vacation but had no idea it was non-existent for 25% of the workforce
 
@sbi 6.5 weeks of vacation a year he has?
that doesn't seem super abnormal to me
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion How's your new job, lion?
 
is he counting weekends?
also depends how many hrs per week he works usually
 
11:11 PM
@sbi not quite started it yet. Soon
 
Yeah, @sbi are you counting weekends or do you get 45 days of vacation?
 
@sbi No need to pity me :) I'm happy for you though, it's nice to have some vacation!
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Ah. Soon I'll start a new job, too. And I'll have 7 weeks of vacation per year, then.
 
I have like 30 days (not counting weekends) left this year of vacation time
 
@sbi oh nice :) Congrats :)
 
11:12 PM
@TonyTheLion Did you get the job? Congratulations =)
 
sbi
@Prætorian I have 26 days of vacation per year applied to a 4-day-week. That makes 6 weeks plus 2 days. Soon I'll have 28 days.
 
@ManofOneWay Yes I got the job :)
 
@Prætorian yeah, vacation is for people with college degrees
 
How many hours per day is an average workday, sbi?
 
@sbi You have a 4 day week? Now that's worth a lot more to me than having more vacation days
 
11:13 PM
@TonyTheLion Where at?
 
@AgainstASicilian A company (not posting it on here)
 
I mean what kind of job, not the name
 
@DeadMG Have you heard anything new regarding the jobs you applied for?
 
sbi
@Prætorian I work 30hrs in 4days/week. I never signed a contract for more than that. I have kids, after all.
 
I'm due to beg my government for benefits money soon
 
11:13 PM
@AgainstASicilian C++ Developer (Algorithm stuff mainly)
 
@sbi That's really nice
 
apparently they give good advice
 
I'd like to work fewer hours but it's hard to break free
 
@sbi Hmm, I don't think you qualify as a "full time employee" in the US unless you work over 35 hrs / week
 
11:14 PM
Currently I'm at like 70-90
 
@DeadMG guess job hunt not going too well?
 
eh, it's only been going on for like, two days
 
sbi
@Prætorian I don't qualify as a full-time employee in Germany. I consider that an achievement, rather than a stigma.
 
@sbi Definitely not a stigma, but then you don't qualify for other benefits either, like health insurance
 
11:15 PM
health insurance is a different animal in Germany
 
@Prætorian Actual countries have public health care.
 
sbi
@Prætorian Here, I certainly do. In fact, I have health insurance for me plus for half of my kids.
 
@DeadMG I was just typing something to that effect myself :)
 
Then again, you have to consider if living abroad is your thing. If you have a lot of friends/family here, you may reconsider. Otherwise, not that hard of a move
 
@DeadMG So now the U.S. is not an actual country. Lol.
 
Ell
11:16 PM
@deadmg "actual countries"?
 
I live abroad, I don't have any family near where I live
 
well
 
and I'm not too bothered, to be perfectly honest
 
@TonyTheLion me too
 
where do you live Tony?
 
11:17 PM
UK
 
it's hard to classify an armed gang that goes around the world invading whoever they want over the slightest action, tries to control the goddamn Internet, and can't even care for it's own people, as a country.
 
Ell
can someone give me somewhere where I can quickly learn about the healthcare system in the USA or talk me through it? I understand it is not public and you must pay for health insurance, but are there still private places etc.?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah, they suffer badly from an inflated ego. Of course, to all of us here, this could never happen, right, puppy?
 
@Ell In the USA, hospitals treat you, and then send you a bill. If you pay for insurance at work, they pay 50-80% for you
 
Ell
11:18 PM
it seems to me the system is better in America
 
The system is very damaged in America
 
@Ell Basically, a large proportion of the population are uninsured, it costs twice as much as everywhere else, and they drop you for the slightest reason.
 
@sbi well, you're talking to an exception of that rule there
 
Costs are soaring and many people are uninsured
 
@Ell The US healthcare system is easy to describe: It's fucked up. Period.
 
sbi
11:19 PM
@Ell It is — until you get sick.
 
Health care in the United States is provided by many separate legal entities. Health care facilities are largely owned and operated by the private sector. Health insurance is now primarily provided by the government in the public sector, with 60-65% of healthcare provision and spending coming from programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, TRICARE, the Children's Health Insurance Program, and the Veterans Health Administration. Most of the population under 65 is insured by an employer, some buy health insurance on their own, and the remainder are uninsured. The U.S. Census Bureau reported that...
 
Ell
then you don't get immigrants coming over and sapping resources. I know it doesn't happen quite as easily as that, but it happens
 
@Ell There was some recent Constitutional legislation that got ACA greenlit but it's still not quite to the level of universal health care
 
@sbi Eh. It's one thing to call myself a genius and another to do what they have done.
 
@Ell absolutely not. Come to Europe (I'm assuming you're US Citizen) and check out the Healthcare systems here.
 
11:20 PM
@Ell Also, your own people die or get very sick from easily treatable diseases, and a massive amount of your economic output is wasted.
 
oftentimes I fantasize about leaving the US due to how incredibly screwed up it's becoming
 
@Ell I don't know that if you guys had a decent healthcare system, that immigrants would be as a big a problem as it is deemed it would be
 
@DeadMG Are you german?
 
@sbi Hey I work more... but not much. Well, in my dayjob contract (32hrs in 4 days). Indeed, for 5+ years now. I did sign for 40 hrs 15 years ago, though.
 
@JimNorton No, he's not
 
11:20 PM
... why do you care?
 
Curious, what are your guys' utility thresholds with respect to income
 
sbi
@Ell Well, from what I saw when I was there, it was mostly the immigrants getting sapped (e.g., washing dishes in the rear of the restaurant for the lowest wage you can imagine).
 
@DeadMG Just curious.
 
Ell
@tonythelion I am UK :L just don't have a wide knowledge on this topic and I was brought up with greatly biased views
 
well, I don't give out my personal information to satisfy other people's curiosity
 
11:21 PM
@Ell oh ok. Well, US Healthcare sucks
@DeadMG lol
 
@sbi :)
 
Ok, be a dick.
 
@JimNorton he's a profound expert in that :P
 
sbi will tell you all about the value of staying effectively anonymous on the Interwebs
 
@TonyTheLion Oh I know,
 
11:22 PM
lol
 
and I greatly appreciate staying that way
 
Ell
I disagree with a lot of the Uks policies
 
sbi
@sehe When I entered the job market, the Web 1.0 bubble was still inflating, and you got hired as a C++ programmer on the grounds of being able to spell "C" correctly. Luckily, my instincts told me "now or never", and I bargained for a lot, back then. And I haven't let go of that ever since.
 
@Ell I know. We let the US drag us down with them.
along with plenty of our own idiotic rubbish
 
sbi
@DeadMG You're just not enough of a genius yet to excuse that. :)
 
11:23 PM
@Ell The US has its perks, but there are lots of broken parts to it that seem... eh. Bleak in terms of future probability of having them resolved effectively any time soon.
 
Really? How quickly you all seem to forget how the U.S. and the Allies prevented Hitler from taking over your countries.
 
@sbi Wut. I thought I hitched a ride on that bubble. When did you enter the job market? I did in 1998
 
@JimNorton Godwin's Law.
 
The U.S. isn't evil... and no country is evil.
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, about the same for me.
 
11:24 PM
@JimNorton you just killed it man.
 
Yeah, bad on me. The point stands though.
 
Ell
@jimnorton not cool.
 
@sbi Heh. More accurately, there's a lot more to be successful than simply being a genius, and whether or not I have those other properties is looking doubtful.
@JimNorton No, it doesn't.
 
no need for Godwin's law here, especially when invoked without tact
 
the U.S. intervened in WW2 because they effectively had to, not because they wanted to.
 
11:24 PM
@sbi You don't count your years teaching/in college? Last time I checked I wasn't quite your age yet :8
 
sbi
@JimNorton Now that is the third time you accuse other of being dicks this evening. Maybe @Tony wasn't all that wrong, after all?
 
@DeadMG don't put yourself down before you've even really started
 
@AgainstASicilian You are the LAST one here to lecture about tact pal.
 
Ell
if being anonymous on the internet is really that important then im scuppered
 
in addition, the tide was turning against the Axis anyway.
 
11:25 PM
@DeadMG I disagree 100% with that... if you're sufficiently smart, you can most definitely get ahead
 
sbi
@sehe Oh, those were jobs I had besides coding for money.
 
they failed in Russia and their attacks on Britain also failed
 
Hey is the Stackoverflow the place to ask questions about excel macros?
 
@GarethJones Yes it is
 
@sbi If all I did was talk about how the UK sucked this and that... how would you respond? It's awfully rude ..
 
11:25 PM
But this is not StackOverflow
 
@JimNorton If you say so
 
@JimNorton I'd probably agree with you, if you nailed one of the many ways in which the country did actually suck.
 
@Prætorian sweet thanks
 
see, here's what you don't get
nationalism is for the stupid and the blind
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sbi
@DeadMG Now that's a tone I hadn't heard from you yet.
 
11:26 PM
and Country X is just as stupid, ineffective, and all-around bad, no matter if you live there or in Country Y.
@sbi Eh. Proof's in the pudding, as they say.
 
It's not wrong to be appreciative of what your Country has provided...
 
sbi
@JimNorton Well, you know, the UK does suck in a lot of different ways. Even those of us who are living there will agree.
 
@JimNorton No, but it absolutely is wrong to pretend that it isn't hideously flawed, or that discussing those flaws is offensive or wrong.
 
I just get tired of the "U.S. Sucks" meme of this room.
@DeadMG But why only pick on the U.S.?
 
11:28 PM
@JimNorton It's also foolhardy to willfully turn a blind eye to its shortcomings in the name of national pride
 
sbi
@JimNorton If you get tired, this might be a good time to retire.
 
I get tired of your constant complaints
 
@JimNorton Yet you keep resuscitating it whenever you get the chance
 
I don't
 
The US does does in many ways.
 
11:28 PM
you will frequently hear me complain about the UK here too
in fact, I did so just yesterday or the day before
 
sbi
@JimNorton Nobody does that. It's just that you only pick those complaints to tire about.
 
And I say that as someone with a fantastic salary in NYC
 
no, wait, it was at least twice yesterday
 
even if you're well off, life still sucks here
 
the US is just the worst by a large margin, it's hardly alone in being a giant pile of suck
 
11:29 PM
isn't NYC like very expensive to live?
 
Ell
I am a UK citizen. gosh I hate the welfare state here in the UK.
 
yes
 
yes but the salaries are better
 
@AgainstASicilian Meh, I disagree with that. I'm pretty happy here
 
yes, but living costs that much more
 
11:29 PM
Rent is especially nasty
 
if you could work in NYC and live in a cheap country, like India (no offence) you'd be fucking rich
 
@Prætorian I mean, I am too, but sometimes it does take its toll and make one fantasize about getting away for a while
 
unfortunately that doesn't work
 
to be specific
 
@TonyTheLion Well plenty of people commute in from Jersey but then you've got commute-time issues...
 
11:30 PM
@TonyTheLion Yeah, when you find a job that'll pay me a US salary, I'll gladly move back home (to India)
 
Well, I've never said one bad thing about any of the countries you people live in. I realize no country is perfect.
 
currently, the UK's shitless government is ignoring all the facts and going "LA LA LA obesity no problem! let's ask McDonalds about what we're gonna do w.r.t. changing the completely no-problem obesity rates!"
 
@JimNorton It's okay to bash the US. We have a lot of problems.
 
and "Let's waste all our money on the goddamn Olympics"
 
NYC is actually trying to ban large-sized soda drinks or something
 
11:31 PM
brought both those up yesterday
 
Ell
the olympics will bring income, mind
 
@DeadMG ah man FUCK the olympics
 
@AgainstASicilian Only in schools, isn't it?
 
London is going to be a nightmare to get into
 
@Prætorian I thought it was the entire city
 
11:31 PM
@JimNorton Jim, we are pretty funny to poke fun at.
 
@JimNorton you're kinda a touchy guy aren't you? I mean really, our country is pretty laughable
 
@JimNorton That's because most other countries succeed in only shitting on their own citizens. Instead of multiple other counties and arguably the entire damn world.
 
Ell
I'm betting it will rain on the opening ceremony
 
sbi
If you're so incredibly proud of your country, @Jim, then what business do you have speaking to us furriners? How could we ever appreciate the glory of your nation?
IYAM, I suggest the following remedy: Leave the country for at least 6months. Live, work, have friends, someplace else. At least, pick Canada, better yet, move to Europe or Asia. Really, you will return with a more realistic view on the world, including your nation.
 
Ell
summer weather*still* hasn't arrived
 
11:32 PM
but if you were to bring up a very negative thing about the country in which I live, I would totally agree with you (so long as you were factual about it, of course).
 
@Ell Nature pissing on the US?
 
@Ell Dude, I love the new weather. So much cooler.
 
sbi
@JimNorton Well, high time you get started bashing us, then!
 
@AgainstASicilian You're right, anything over 16 ounces
 
@sbi damn right!
 
Ell
11:33 PM
@deadmg New weather? it is permanently raining where I am!
 
People only piss on the US because there's a lot worth defending about it. US has a lot of great liberties you can't enjoy anywhere else. However, the problems are inexcusable and embarrassing, and that's why people pick on them. It's like, "You guys should know better... come on"
 
and I love that
 
Ell
I had to cycle to school in the rain this morning :L
 
nice and cool
 
@AgainstASicilian those liberties are constantly being taken away though, under the guise of "terrorism"
 
Ell
11:33 PM
@drise the UK :P and its a pretty long piss
 
@sbi You don't know what I think of the U.S. And I'm not into bashing other peoples countries either. I find it rather tacky. Like I said, no country is perfect. But as an American citizen, I will stand up to this shit if I find the need.
 
sbi
@Ell Yeah, and that's what they are for, actually, nowadays. Read this.
 
@JimNorton See, there's your problem.
 
Ell
I do like the cool. but one or two sunny days would he appreciated
 
the US government sucks exactly as much, regardless of what citizenship you hold.
 
11:34 PM
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I dislike how political things have gotten over the past decade, especially. Erosion of all sorts of liberties to the point where it almost seems like the lawyers are trolling... and yet the effects are indeed real
 
@JimNorton Good god dude, you need to chill out a little. They don't hate the US either when they say it sucks!
 
defending your government just because you were born there is irrational at best
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@JimNorton do I detect this very American ego going on here?
 
@DeadMG Russians definitely don't have that problem
 
@DeadMG Did I say I defend it just because I live here... no those are your words...
 
sbi
11:35 PM
@JimNorton Haha! "But as an American citizen, I will stand up to this shit if I find the need." And I bet you don't even find this funny! You're so pathetic, I feel sorry for you.
 
@JimNorton "as an American citizen, I will stand up to this shit if I find the need." (fuck you Morkdown)
 
@AgainstASicilian glad you see it
 
What has being an American citizen got to do with anything?
 
Ell
in Soviet Russia, country stand up for you!
 
in case you missed the implicit answer: nothing.
 
11:36 PM
I think sometimes I'd like it better in another country because here in America I feel it's overly Creationist/conservative/etc. When our own government can't get its shit together and the right wing holds the government hostage during a debt ceiling crisis...? That's just... unconscionable
 
I think that Morkdown has ruined more lives than anything in this chat room
 
@Ell hehehehe. If only that were actually true :P
 
@TonyTheLion Only if being proud of the good the U.S. has done is your idea of American ego.
 
It get's cursed more than anything
 
in other countries you can talk about evolution and people are completely OK with treating it as fact, as it IS fact. here? it's "up for debate"
it's absurd
 
11:36 PM
@JimNorton Right. But you also need to recognize all the shit they've done.
 
@JimNorton yes, it's a very American thing to do, and it's very unappreciated in Europe
 
@AgainstASicilian Yeah, but you might miss what you said earlier. The US does have a lot of liberties that we take for granted, and are not available in other countries
 
by the way, most foreigners think that the shit the US government does far outweighs all the good it does.
 
like starting wars
meh
 
and by going "The US is graet!" it's obvious that you only read one side of the debate.
 
11:37 PM
@Prætorian Sure; I do think we still enjoy many liberties even though I agree with Tony that they're on a path of erosion. It just seems to be on a downhill roll unless shit changes directions, fast
 
@DeadMG I never said the U.S. was perfect..
 
then what's the problem?
 
Ell
god tony blaire is a fool. a war criminal.
 
I say the US sucks in X respect, you agree with me, we discuss how much it sucks in that respect, a good time was had by all.
 
Tony Blair's son got rejected from Harvard. Teeheehee
 
11:38 PM
@DeadMG his problem is that the bashing is not equally spread around.
 
@MooingDuck what? @DeadMG does too much of it by himself?
 
as the others in this channel will attest, I bash anything that sucks, and if the US receives more bashing than others, then it sucks more than others.
 
but he's good at bashing. Each his own area of expertise :P
 
sbi
@Prætorian Forget it. Really. Read this, and the "discussion" that came of it from my replay. This is one of these cases. Spare your breath.
 
@DeadMG I don't have a problem with the bashing of the U.S. I have a problem when that is ALL that's done... from my point of view, you folks talk is if the U.S. is the worst place ever and is evil. What is so fucking hard to understand that a U.S. might get just a little bit irritated?
 
11:39 PM
his CV should say "Expert at bashing things. I will gladly give you an example"
 
@JimNorton Because it basically is far worse than other developed nations, and this is fairly evident to anyone who takes a good look at the facts.
 
@JimNorton Nobody is arguing that it's the worst place ever
 
@JimNorton I should note that of at least five Americans in the room, you're the only one getting irritated.
 
it's also easy to understand, but impossible to justify because it's totally irrational, about why you would be irritated.
also
 
Ell
@jimnorton please start bashing other countries then - we can have a good talk about it
 
11:40 PM
@MooingDuck Sorry Jim, lol.
 
it's partly because of your timezone
you just happened to not be on when I was bashing the UK government twice yesterday.
 
People are arguing that there's a lot to criticize about America because it can't get simple shit together that it's perfectly CAPABLE of getting together. There's a serious problem with the way the country is run and so from the outside, it looks especially broken when it could be so much different
 
Alright, see you all. I'm so pissed off now, that if I don't take a walk I will surely say something I will later regret.
 
@sbi This is funny
3 hours ago, by Jim Norton
@sbi Are you calling me stupid or something? :-)
 
@JimNorton fair enough
 
11:41 PM
It doesn't mean you can't defend your country, but blind/irrational patriotism without acknowledgment of criticism is just disingenuous
 
sbi
@JimNorton But bashing the US is not that is done. As you have found out, there's also so much energy spent on bashing you. See, wrong accusation!
 
Ell
I think if we just encourage him to bash the UK some he can take some stress out like that
 
Let's bash Sri Lanka
 
sbi
@JimNorton You already did say a lot of those things. You just haven't realized it yet. Alternatively, you might fail to regret later.
 
ugh I hate Netbeans and this code
 
11:42 PM
Oh, I read an article yesterday that said ex-suicide bombers from Sri Lanka may soon be playing cricket
 
dafuq?
 
@sbi I love your alternative, it's epic.
 
When I click "debug" the output log says "BUILD SUCCESSFUL". That's great, run my freakin code.
 
11:44 PM
@sbi No worries, you won't have me to bash anymore.
 
sbi
@Prætorian Well, at least they do have a lot of shooting practice already.
 
Ell
@jimnorton what ars some stuff you would like to bash the UK about?
 
I'll go elsewhere where I can be myself and not get bashed.
 
@sbi Yeah, but not so much shooting at bullseyes
 
sbi
11:45 PM
@JimNorton If you only realized that nobody did such a thing. Oh wait, you already explained why you won't...
 
@Ell dude, I can't believe you really just fed the troll
 
Ell
scuse the poor grammar
 
Bash NYC
plenty of legitimate things to bash
 
Bash is a scripting language
 
@AgainstASicilian That's in the US stupid, you'll piss Jim off ;)
 
11:45 PM
and it doesn't like to have it's name called out so much :)
 
Ell
@tonythelion I am actually interested about what us people might bash the UK for. the alternative perspectives are refreshing
 
@Ell As I said, I won't bash another country. I find it tasteless, as no country is perfect.
 
sbi
@Prætorian I hope you realize that was stark-naked sarcasm?
 
@Ell rain
 
Ell
bash is a shell :L
 
11:46 PM
@JimNorton Why can't we laugh at ourselves and our failings, and be proud of our successes?
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sbi
@JimNorton And you poor sod can't bring yourself to point at imperfections? Maybe we should envy you.
 
@sbi And I was making a joke too
 
@sbi oh, seems it's not only me that's bad at detecting sarcasm in a chat room
 
@sbi I think you should stop provoking him. I don't mind US bashing, but I do mind bullying.
 
@Drise To a point sure.
 
11:47 PM
@JimNorton Nothing wrong with bashing anything that sucks.
 
like the Ukraine
screw that place
 
@DeadMG which is most things in your views
 
I really don't understand why you folks treat me this way. I'm pretty sure I've mostly been a good contributor here.
 
describing the UK's attitude to obesity as a complete disaster from start to finish that may kill hundreds of thousands of people, is no worse than saying "An up quark has a charge of +2/3"
 
heisenberg would like to have a word with you
 
sbi
11:48 PM
@Prætorian I thought so, first, but then I thought, "wait, what if he got dear ones that got shot over there?" So I felt obliged to point it out.
 
@JimNorton When did this turn personal? I thought you were upset that they were bashing the US, not you.
 
@JimNorton maybe you should have a read over the transcript and see what it is you said that provoked this reaction from us
 
@TonyTheLion It's not my fault. I just see how things could be better than they are.
 
@sbi Oh, well thanks for being thoughtful in that case. I don't know anyone there
 
@DeadMG but instead of pointing out how everything sucks so much, why don't you help make things better?
 
Ell
11:48 PM
@deadmg what are the problems with the attitude to obesity? what do you think are some solutions?
 
bashing someone's opinion draws a fine line with bashing that particular someone, sometimes it isn't clear
 
@JimNorton There's nothing personal about you or anything. We bash things that suck, and the US sucks a lot, so we bash the US a lot. We did before you came here, and if you go somewhere else, we will continue to do so exactly as much after you leave.
 
sbi
@Prætorian ISTR you mentioning you're from south Asia...
 
sometimes people are just defensive, too
 
@DeadMG it is your "fault", because it's your views. You're responsible for your views, not anyone else
 
11:49 PM
@JimNorton what is it that irks you about being critical of the US? you don't think it's deserving of criticism?
 
@TonyTheLion Well, I am trying to do my part. But, y'know, big problems.
 
@DeadMG Yeah and then @sbi politely pointed out how I'm being bashed. I guess I feel like the court jester here, not really appreciated or something.
 
sbi
@Drise Me, provoking? Haha. You should see me when I want to provoke.
Also, I am not bullying. I am gorilling. Not that this would help matters...
 
@DeadMG oh i see
 
Ell
argueing is so tiring >.<
 
11:50 PM
Yeah, India. There's a strait separating it from Sri Lanka
 
@TonyTheLion Well, not really. A view is nothing more than a representation of a perceived fact. The responsibility for the view lies in the people who either created the facts, or the perceptions.
 
Anyway, you kids have fun arguing, time for me to head home
 
sbi
@Prætorian I know that much geography. I'm just not that good at remembering details about people. :(
 
@AgainstASicilian Of course, every country has points that can be criticized. But if that's all that's done to one country in a room, I call it rude.
 
@JimNorton The only thing here that's specific to you is that everybody else seems to appreciate a good bashing of anything that sucks, and you appear to prefer to ignore it.
@JimNorton It's not all done to one country. And even if it were, bashing is proportional- you only bash something as much as it sucks.
 
11:51 PM
@sbi Hehe, I'm sure you know how to tell India and Sri Lanka apart. But I had to take a crack at that
 
@DeadMG the view I'm talking about are the things you see and you perceive and how you communicate what you see/perceive to others. It has nothing to do with anyone else but you.
 
@JimNorton Did you not see when people were also criticizing the UK? Even if the discussion WERE only about the US, why should that matter?
 
@Ell Well, basically the government is like "There is no obesity problem", and then they're like, "We'll ask McDonalds what to do about obesity".
 
How is it rude to talk about the problems of a country?
 
@sbi I don't like bullies. Or gorrillas gorrilaing others. Not cool
 
11:52 PM
@TonyTheLion I don't control what I see or perceive, although arguably communication is indeed my responsibility to carry out effectively.
 
Ell
@jimnorton I really do think you should try bashing another country or maybe just express your opinion If you prefer. I think it would help if you just give it ago.
 
@Prætorian I don't.
 
@DeadMG you got my point :)
 
sbi
@JimNorton No. You have, repeatedly, within the last few hours, complained that others seem to be out to bash you, specifically. That is so hilarious, I couldn't stop myself from joking about it. If you consider that further evidence, well, then <insert std joke about paranoia here>.
 
@TonyTheLion Effectively does not mean "Do not do it if it's a negative perception".
 
11:54 PM
thoughts on the whole "1 vs 99 percent" thing?
 
@sbi Just telling you what I'm feeling, I may be paranoid, but then again maybe not.
 
there's a standard joke about paranoia?
 
std::paranoia
 
Ell
@deadmg what do you think we can do about it? is there anywhere in the world that can cope wot it effectively?
 
@DeadMG you lost me
 
11:54 PM
section 12, subsection 6, paragraph 4.
 
sbi
@Drise Get real, man. According to my dictionary calling us poking fun at him being unable to laugh about himself "bullying" is just as hilarious as what he did.
 
@AgainstASicilian they have a freaking rediculous name
@AgainstASicilian especially since they keep protesting people in the 99%
 
sbi
@JimNorton See, and I am telling you what I fill about what you say what you feel. I feel that what you said was laughable, so I laughed.
 
@AgainstASicilian also their organization is.... lacking.
 
I thought this 99% shit was long dead and over with?
 
11:55 PM
@sbi Continued poking fun at him devolves into bullying in my book. Trust me, I was bullied for 18 years.
 
@Ell Well, the number one thing we need to do is legislate. There are, for example, more effective food labellings. But the food industry lobbied it down in the EU parliament. The Scandinavian countries, especially Finland, have done this quite successfully afaik.
 
@TonyTheLion Not quite
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yeah. It goes something like "Just because I am paranoid, that doesn't mean they aren't out there to get me" or something similar.
 
lol
"When everyone is out to kill you, paranoia is just common sense."
 
11:56 PM
lol
 
oh my, I hate my coworkers. Lets see if I can summarize this
 
but to some people everyone is out to get them. :P
 
Ell
I guess the fact I didn't know obesity was a problem shows how big of a problem it actually is
 
do you know anything?
 
Ell
I mean I know there are a lot of fat people. very fat people
 
11:57 PM
obesity rates are going through the roof, the cost of treating it is horrendous, and a whole bunch of people are dying due to obesity-related diseases.
 
tell all the fat people to lose weight, else they pay more taxes, problem solved :P
 
sbi
@Drise You poor sod. I sympathize. I know the feeling very well, because (surprise!) I, too, was the kid with the glasses, who read books and wielded a soldering iron, rather than his fists. That does not, however, mean that every time someone is luaghed at for good reason, this constitutes bullying.
 
Ell
but I didn't know it was a big problem. it doesn't affect me so I guess I didn't think abut it
 
just gotta motivate them to lose weight
 
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11:57 PM
@TonyTheLion Nah. That doesn't work at all.
 
Ell
fat tax :D
 
@DeadMG lol
server.isRunning()==false <---- what the FUCK is that crap??
 
if you actually research the causes of obesity, they are biological or physical problems that cannot be just willed away.
 
Obesity has plenty of causes
 
@TonyTheLion its waiting for the server to start obviously
 
11:59 PM
@DeadMG euh, but a lot of people get fat because they eat crap all the time
 
Ell
how about the hunger games. every year we take fat people and make them battle to the death
 
@sbi I'm just saying I think you took it too far. I laughed too, but there is a point to where it's simply no longer funny.
 
@TonyTheLion So what? You can't change anything if you don't know why they eat crap all the time.
 
@MooingDuck but why write it like that and not !server.isRunning() like every normal person?
 

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