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1:02 PM
There. libiconv removed. Take that, bitches.
 
Stupid Android.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's a pleonasm
It seems people were suggested to fgets instead of gets, but instead C11 introduces gets_s. Sounds stupid.
 
Xeo
Woah, screw this VN. Let's just kill the same character in the alternative dimension again, this time getting plunged head-first into a giant meat grinder
And that just because you switched the dimensions...
 
I would prefer head-first over feet-first.
 
Xeo
I would prefer not to :P
 
1:11 PM
I would prefer strawberries :)
 
@Xeo beauty
 
Xeo
@sehe I first thought you replied to my message about the killing :P
 
is anyone here familiar with brainfuck language
 
Xeo
We're familiar with plenty of brainfuck, but I don't think anyone currently here is fluent in brainfuck. Maybe the robot. /cc @RMartinhoFernandes
 
1:19 PM
I've dabbled in white space, which is basically the same
ignore the stupid names of operations, it's not that hard
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Why, because they're both unreadable? :P
 
@Xeo no, because they other the same basic operations :P
 
@Xeo In my view, const_cast is the powerful one.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Right right, it can remove const
But it can't do anything unrelated to cv-qualifiers.
 
good morning everyone :)
 
1:21 PM
@AgainstASicilian I've done a bit with it as a toy language for compilers and parallel extensions but I can't write it fluently still
 
I am trying to write something that will take any arbitrary number and multiply it by 2 then output it
 
@Flexo I certainly hope not! there are better ways to spend your time on then learning brainfuck off by hart
 
is this a feasible thing?
 
@EtiennedeMartel What?
 
@AgainstASicilian totally possible
 
1:23 PM
@AgainstASicilian Yes. Dup it, then add them.
 
@AgainstASicilian of course it is
 
[->+>+<<]>[->+<]
 
any insight? I've been having a hell of a time
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm talking about large number, not just numbers <10
 
@AgainstASicilian the trick is to copy it to two locations rather than just one or increment twice in one location whilst decrementing elsewhere
 
like say 98989 output 197978
 
1:24 PM
@AgainstASicilian the trick with any language, especially esoteric ones, is to work out exactly WHAT you want to do, ignoring the fact you are programming. Break it down into small and smaller bits, until you start talking at the level of the language
 
i'm trying that but struggling immensely
 
@AgainstASicilian So your problem is the input?
 
i mean input is as simple as >,>,>, etc
but idk about arbitrary number of input
 
Step one: don't use Brainfuck.
 
@AgainstASicilian write the algorithm out in C using only the operations you have available
 
1:25 PM
[->+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+<<<<<<<<<<] can be used to multiply by 10.
 
that's no different Flexo
mapping between C and Brainfuck isn't the problem; I know the commands available
I'm just trying to do it
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You are awesome (and perhaps a bit suicidal)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Code's up here: bitbucket.org/martinhofernandes/ogonek if you're curious.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Besides that code doesn't work (try it out at lordalcol.com/brainfuckjs )
 
Yeah, that's how I found about it (I'm following you on BB).
 
1:27 PM
oh now this is really taking the biscuit! After having the only person with any experience on this area move of to his own team, now after a matter of 7 months, the replacement is getting replaced, just as he is starting to get to grips with the code base
 
@AgainstASicilian You need to subtract 48 first to make a digit into a number. Easy mode: sequence 48 -s.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes So, I guess you're not wrapping ICU for Kyro?
 
I tried ,------------------------------------------------[->+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+<<<<<<<<<<].
 
@EtiennedeMartel Got pissed off with the crap they had.
@AgainstASicilian Now you have the number in ten consecutive cells. You need to sum them all together now.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes pissed at ICU or Kyro?
 
1:29 PM
Great. Kyro will be Ogonek's first application?
 
@thecoshman ICU.
@EtiennedeMartel I suppose, yeah.
 
(also, what the fuck does "Ogonek" means?)
 
has multiplication by 2 been done yet somewhere online
 
U+02DB OGONEK
 
1:29 PM
with multidigit numbers
 
or a tutorial or something
 
@AgainstASicilian You should google for parsing numbers from input instead. That's the real problem.
 
I'm well aware that input - 48 = actual number
 
@AgainstASicilian As long as you're dealing with ASCII, yeah.
 
1:31 PM
yes
 
AFAIK brainfuck does not detail I/O does it... over than 'read char'
and even then... isn't the current key just in a buffer?
 
you use , to read a char into a memory position
 
How do you intend to mark the end of input?
 
so a multidigit number you do ,>,>,> etc to read a char, move to next memory spot, read another, etc
i don't know yet
max # of digits
 
@RMartinhoFernandes With POO, PILE OF character, obviously.
 
1:33 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Hehe, I'm using that on the tests.
 
although i don't even know if that's doable either
very tough problem
seems like you have to a genius nowadays to figure this stuff out
 
What's UCD? A table of ALL THE unicode code points?
 
No, you don't. I already gave you all the parts you need.
Now you just loop.
 
untue
that doesn't fit what i am trying to solve here
i'm trying to take a number of max # of possible digits and output its double
 
Untested reading of a three digit number: [-]>,------------------------------------------------>,------------------------------------------------>,------------------------------------------------[[->+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+<<<<<<<<<<]>>>>>>>>>>[-<+>]<[-<+>]<[-<+>]<[-<+>]<[-<+>]<[-<+>]<[-<+>]<[-<+>]<[-<+>]<]<
 
1:37 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes lol! that runs off my screen haha
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, with all its properties.
 
that doesn't output anything
 
It puts stuff in cells. How much brainfuck have you learned?
 
enough to know that that isn't outputting anything, as I said! lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's a ~5MB .o, right now.
Btw, this is cool: 4mhz.de/bfdev.html
It actually shows the memory cells, and has a debugger that can step through.
 
1:39 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes So it's Unix only?
 
can you direct me to a place that would explain how to do something like this, if you don't know how to?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nah, I have it as a set of ginormous arrays in C++ source code, transformed from the XML database with C#.
You could compile it with whatever you want, I guess.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Alright.
Ergh, XML.
 
I don't have to deal with it anymore.
 
public static class MoarLinq
Har har
 
1:41 PM
is it possible to deal with multidigit input arbitrarily
 
Having it as C++ static initializers means I don't need parsing of any kind.
@EtiennedeMartel :)
 
like "read inputs until you run out"
how about just as simple as "read arbitrary input, output that arbitrary input"
 
Someone has treated in the tagline way too seriously.
Also, who removed it.
 
@AgainstASicilian That's really basic. You should try to learn some brainfuck before attempting to do something as complex as parsing numbers.
 
for something so basic it sure seems like nobody seems to know
i've asked in quite a few places now and there's no tutorial on this
 
Xeo
1:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus the Bonobo
 
@CatPlusPlus Not, you, obviously.
 
Foo* foo = new Foo;
if (NULL == foo)
{
    delete foo;
    return false;
}
 
Xeo
wtf
 
@AgainstASicilian It's not basic.
 
@Abyx What.
 
1:44 PM
you just said "that's really basic"
so which is it?
 
^ it's from the project I maintain
 
Xeo
@Abyx That's about every badness about manual memory management there is
 
@AgainstASicilian The read-output thing? [,.]
 
I still can't believe people can write such code, it can't fit in my head
 
"That's really basic. " "It's not basic."
you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here
 
1:45 PM
@AgainstASicilian Parsing numbers from input is not basic.
 
Xeo
But seriously, whoever write that...
 
Right now I'm talking about input. which is basic
 
Outputting whatever you read is basic (it's a "textbook" example of a brainfuck program, you're just too lazy to do some googling)
@AgainstASicilian It isn't.
 
i am saying even something as basic as that, nobody knows
 
@AgainstASicilian I know.
I'm not helping you.
 
Xeo
1:46 PM
if(has_no_target(p)) destroy_target(p);
 
Xeo
sums the most wtf up pretty nicely
 
Well thank you for wasting my time for no reason
If you didn't know how to do it, just say so
 
Because you're too lazy to look things up.
 
Did you not read when I said "there's no tutorial on this"
I've already looked it up
 
1:47 PM
And too lazy to look at the code I took the time to write.
 
There's no tutorial on most things.
 
And too lazy to even learn basic idioms.
 
Brainfuck is not a beginner language.
 
Yes, brainfuck has idioms.
 
your code did not remotely approach what I'm asking about
it's like if you asked me about combinatorics and I gave you a half-assed example about factorials
 
1:48 PM
Because you don't understand it, because you lack basic idioms.
 
Aaand you didn't read the conduct of code, or however we call this these days.
 
So, basically RTFM.
 
if inputting output is so easy, why can't you then direct me to a place that explains how its done?
because it isn't explained anywhere
 
There's tons of tutorials out there that explain dupping and adding and all that.
 
it is trivial when you know how many digits to expect
not when it's arbitrary
 
1:49 PM
Now get the fuck out.
Are you a repeat offender by any chance?
 
you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about man
 
Xeo
Oh, the robot's pissed
 
I have a vague recollection of someone with a similar username.
 
You wouldn't like the robot when he's angry.
 
I'm not a "repeat offender," no -- I just dislike having time wasted
 
Xeo
1:50 PM
@AgainstASicilian Great, we have the same interest then.
 
Right, you were the one that wasted your time because I took the liberty to write code for you.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I think there was some one with a similar name, but I am fairly sure it was an alright dude
 
Xeo
So what made you come to the C++ Lounge for brainfuck code?
 
writing code != writing relevant, helpful code or explaining how it works
 
Because your time is so much more important than mine.
 
1:51 PM
don't forget, you could just plonk him
 
The point you're repeatedly missing: we don't care.
 
then don't pretend to answer if you don't care
 
@thecoshman It's more fun this way.
 
if you don't care then at least ACT the part
 
Jun 10 at 21:53, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@AgainstASicilian Because you don't go away.
 
1:51 PM
@AgainstASicilian have you read out newbie hints
 
@thecoshman No, he hasn't.
 
no and like you, I don't care
 
and plonk
 
"Asking questions" says "thou shalt be trolled if thee is deemed annoying".
Or something.
 
1:52 PM
I'm really bad at this old English thing.
 
We should keep a naughty list list of annoyings.
 
where's that fish? @SBI!!!! throguh your plonking fish at this guy would you
 
Meta won't like it.
3
Let's do it!
 
thanks!
 
1:53 PM
just irritating when someone "offers to help" but then doesn't really help and instead speaks in super-vague terms and pastes unrelated code and then gets defensive when questioned about it. you don't get that from people who know what they're talking about
 
@CatPlusPlus Meta won't like us keeping a list of people that are constantly causing confusion?
Offending those trying to help is the way to go.
 
Blacklisting, essentially.
 
you weren't trying to help, is my point
 
@CatPlusPlus We're La Résistance.
 
1:54 PM
unless you're just not that great at it, in which case I apologize for getting uppity
 
I'm going for a walk.
 
@AgainstASicilian loungecpp.wikidot.com/owners:asking-questions please read that.
 
do not care
 
@AgainstASicilian please go ask your stuff to Java or php room
 
See you guys later.
@Abyx Please don't.
They don't deserve that crap.
 
1:55 PM
@AgainstASicilian If you're asking for help, you have no right to complain about how you're being helped.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes oh
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sure I can
 
Especially if the one helping you is doing it for free.
 
Indeed, they work with Java all day, last thing they need is more shit to deal with
 
If helping someone results in net negative utility you can absolutely complain about it
 
1:56 PM
@AgainstASicilian You can complain about the way you're being helped, but it's a pretty shitty idea if you actually want more help.
 
I had to unplonk, I wanted to see the stpidity :P
 
well trying to get more help from something that is unhelpful is a lot like drawing blood out of a turnip
 
@AgainstASicilian this isnt stack overflow. We dont have to answer your questions. if you have a question and we arent answering it properly, ask it on stack overflow. thats what its for.
 
Xeo
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I asked on SO already
 
1:57 PM
Complaining about it makes you a self-entitled whiner.
 
Xeo
ah damn, I forgot the italics
 
some guy overran the thread with some unlettered rant against Brainfuck
 
Xeo
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And that's a sure fire way to turn the whole room against you.
@AgainstASicilian What thread? It's the fucking Lounge!
 
Xeo
43 secs ago, by AgainstASicilian
I asked on SO already
I think
 
1:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds an awful lot like "don't question the Catholic church" "don't question Joe Paterno!" type logic. Screw reasoned logic, respect authoritayyy
 
@AgainstASicilian that got deleted
 
@AgainstASicilian Oh, right, because it's the exact same thing here.
 
Well, it is.
 
Why not burn some steps and reach the Godwin Point right away?
Go on, I know you want to make a Hitler reference.
 
because invoking Hitler is so passe
 
1:59 PM
Even if it makes no goddam sense.
 
@AgainstASicilian no, we are perfectly open to change, but you have to be friggin inbreed to think we want to start spending all our time helping whiney little dickwads
 
Xeo
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