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12:05 PM
@Potatoswatter great balance!
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Well, you're obviously doing it on purposeā€¦
 
mm
i didnt count lol
 
Dude
 
hehe
 
Facebook is showing me extremist right-wing party ads
What the fuck, Facebook
 
12:07 PM
@kbok can't you flag them as offensive?
oh wait.. FB isn't a SE site.
 
@rubenvb You can flag FB ads as offensive too
although I doubt it'll have much effect
 
@rubenvb No. Not the ads. The most relevant was "agaisnt my views"
 
well... adblock.
 
How extremist?
 
Well I don't know how to answer that. There's only one extremist right-wing party in France.
 
12:09 PM
I watched a YouTube video on technique for doing push-ups, once. Now Google gives me ads with the shirtless guy in the video, across pretty much the whole Net.
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So I would say "pretty extremist" maybe
 
@Potatoswatter delete your search/youtube history?
 
It's useless if you have a google account
 
12:25 PM
I think it's not as useless as you might think: www.google.com/ads/preferences/
 
@Potatoswatter lucky guy. hope he was hot?
 
don't be logged into your Google account while watching Youtube
 
lol; the expert has spoken
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Er, I guess. But I think marketing budget had more to do than luck.
 
hello
 
12:30 PM
@Potatoswatter Also: youtube.com/account_privacy
 
@rubenvb Awesome! Man I'm not savvy with this identity protection stuff.
 
It's mostly all in the settings.
But it seems it's a per-browser thing unfortunately.
I tend to rely on adblock anyways.
 
not sure if religious hate site or funny
 
not sure if American populist site or parody.
 
12:41 PM
Still not sure ? lol
 
ok. Gotcha now :)
 
@StackedCrooked bookmarked!
 
@kbok OMG what shit is taht lol
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Financial Turmoil In Europe Leads To Homosexuality Being Made Mandatory In All EU States, obviously.
 
@kbok are you bored by any chance? :P
 
12:46 PM
lulz
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Oh you mean the awful design of that website? Yeah indeed. What the fuck is that shit.
Django is great.
 
@TonyTheLion I, huh, humm... 9gag
 
9GAG sucks.
People y u repost to 9GAG and no give credit to original author.
 
looks like a satire page. but frankly it's not easy to distinguish from reality
lol
 
I was going to call out the "Susan Xenu" article, but on closer inspection it's not over the top enough to be satire. Thoroughly confused.
 
12:51 PM
For sure.
One up vote on my questions, and one down vote from me and I have 1337 rep. :D
 
user784668
@RadekSlupik Now downvote something :P
 
:P It needs to be an answer.
 
Ell
I have segfault in my empty constructor :'(
 
Fuck yeah!
 
@Cicada good question. I would prefer my own Ø programming language.
 
12:59 PM
@Ell Does your class have any non-static data members?
 
Ell
Yeah, just realised I'm doing it in the wrong order
but they are just regular members
 
Donald Knuth once remarked that he'd come up with a really catchy programming language name, and now all he had to do was design the language
that's where i am at
 
How is it read? Like "ü" or as "naught"?
 
like the ø in trøble
or in føck
 
"uh"
 
1:01 PM
You could always add an additional umlaut to amplify the effect
 
¨ø
 
oh no, the slash is already there
 
øĢˆ
 
user784668
@Potatoswatter In IPA: [ø]
 
the umlaut version is swedish
no slash
 
1:02 PM
@Potatoswatter Looks like a snail.
 
¨
ø
ø
¨
 
i can now conclude firmly that airports are ungood when you need to go to toilet
 
A metal umlaut (also known as rƶck dƶts) is a diaeresis (in Germanic languages called Umlaut) that is sometimes used gratuitously or decoratively over letters in the names of hard rock or heavy metal bandsā€”for example those of Mƶtley CrĆ¼e and Motƶrhead. Amongst English speakers, the use of umlaut marks and other diacritics with a blackletter style typeface is a form of foreign branding intended to give a band's logo a Teutonic qualityā€”denoting stereotypes of boldness and strength commonly attributed to ancient northern European peoples, such as the Vikings and Goths. Its use has also been...
 
@CheersandhthAlf Airports are ungood for most everything.
 
1:03 PM
@CheersandhthAlf How firm was the conclusion?
 
pretty firm
 
why is this?
 
y they not mention blue øyster cult?
 
do they not have toilets?
 
Space toilets suck.
 
1:04 PM
no time to go all the way to toilet area and also catch plane at other end
 
user784668
@CheersandhthAlf Because there's no umlaut.
 
that's just the way that I spell it
 
hopefully the plane has one
 
So, I'm curious. How was Lame Pun Friday?
 
1:04 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Sehe went wild.
 
Blue Ɩyster Cult (often abbreviated BƖC) is an American rock band from Long Island, New York, best known for such classic rock songs as "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", "Burnin' for You", and "Godzilla". Since the release of their self-titled debut album in 1972, the band has sold over 24 million albums worldwide, including 7 million in the United States alone. The band's music videos, especially "Burnin' for You", received heavy rotation on MTV when the music television network premiered in 1981, cementing the band's contribution to the development and success of the music video in modern pop c...
 
And nobody else really made any good puns.
 
@RadekSlupik Good puns? What part of "Lame Pun Friday" did you not understand?
 
GIT Friday
 
Lame
Git ftw
 
1:05 PM
i'm disappointed. i thought you would entertain me with good trolls
 
Oh you want a troll?
 
instead i get ungood airports :(
 
More epic trolls here: 4chan.org/b
 
1:07 PM
"aestheticles: n. The little-known source of aesthetic reactions. If your whole body feels like going into a fetal position or otherwise double over from the pain of experiencing something exceptionally ugly and inelegant, such as C++, it's because your aestheticles got creamed. "
 
Linus Torvalds is a troll.
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> I'm an egotistical bastard, and I name all my projects after myself. First Linux, now git.
He first wanted to name it after himself but he found it too egoistic. Then somebody else suggested him to name it Linux.
 
besides, there's the question of dragging my jacket and laptop with me into toilet
just last month i forgot my jacket in toilet stall at a restaurant in oslo
 
@CheersandhthAlf backpack or messenger bag ftw!
 
messenger bag?
 
1:09 PM
@RadekSlupik So he named Git after himself because he's an egoist and the even-numbered letters (starting at 1) in "egoist" are "git"?
 
ah
A messenger bag (also called a courier bag) is a type of sack, usually made out of some kind of cloth (natural or synthetic), that is worn over one shoulder with a strap that winds around the chest resting the bag on the lower back. Messenger bags are often used by bicycle messengers, though they are now also an urban fashion icon. Some types of messenger bags are called carryalls. History This design of bag has been used in the transportation of mail and goods by numerous types of messengers, including Pony Express riders, postal workers, messengers on foot (especially in ancient tim...
 
@Potatoswatter Because he is a bastard.
git |git|
noun Brit. informal
an unpleasant or contemptible person.
 
@Potatoswatter Git is mild bad language with origins in British English for a silly, incompetent, stupid, annoying, senile elderly or childish person. It is usually an insult, more severe than '' or idiot but less severe than wanker or arsehole.''
 
Ah. A bit like "yahoo"ā€¦ which is also a big tech name for whatever reasonā€¦
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Silly, incompetent, stupid, annoying, senile elderly or and childish person aka Linus Torvalds.
 
user784668
1:11 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Wanker, arsehole. Whoa. British English insults are silly.
 
@Potatoswatter Something like that, yeah.
 
i think it has to do with their school system
young lads get crammed together in some upper class school where they have to learn to speak in a lisping way
 
@Fanael I like "wunch of bankers".
 
user784668
@RMartinhoFernandes lol
 
can we please get serious
 
1:18 PM
no
 
i was thinking, if one introduces time in a proper way, then the action of a computer program could be described by a mathematical formula
can then a self-replicating computer program also be described by a formula?
can you have a self-replicating mathematical formula?
hm well i have a plane to catch
i'm a snake
 
user784668
 
Serious is evil.
 
user784668
Fuck.
 
user784668
1:20 PM
OpenGL y u hard
 
that's me writing about some riddle. but without string literals, macros and comments.
lol
 
Ell
ahh god I'm really confused!
a socket sends data before the other socket does .read ?
I have a basic c++ server which accepts a connection, writes "Test" then waits for another connection
but what happens is, when I use ruby's TCPSocket, as soon as it connects, the data is sent and it awaits another connection
I thought I would have to do TCPSocket.read() for the server to send the data?
 
Ell
so it just sends the data straight away?
 
@CheersandhthAlf That's essentially what Church was after, but then instead he came up with a way of writing programs. people.uleth.ca/~jonathan.seldin/CCL.pdf
 
1:38 PM
@Luc Your traits are not "real traits" according to the standard! They are required to actually inherit from some std::integral_constant. That's why I write mine deriving from TraitOf. AFAICT the only advantages are a free type nested member as itself, and being usable in tag dispatching.
 
@kbok what the actual fuck?
> President of Europe Jean-Claude Van Damme
I seriously hope this is a troll
 
Of course it is.
 
Ell
how do convert array<char, sizeof(int)> into int? would it be *reinterpret_cast<int*>(buf[0])?
 
Christwire is a satirical website that publishes blog style articles that highlight excesses of American Christian conservatives along with obscure weather reportage, new vernacular, intense focus on various communities, and numerous parenting and lifestyle tips. Like similar satirical websites, Christwire's stories have often erroneously been taken at face value due to their perceived plausibility. See also * Poe's law * The Onion References Further reading * Mark Oppenheimer (September 3, 2010) [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/us/04beliefs.html A Niche of the Unreal in a World of ...
 
Wow, @Cicada just fell out of her bed.
 
1:42 PM
This is some serious quality troll
 
@Ell That's endianness-problematic. And it would be reinterpret_cast<int*>(buf)[0]
 
Ell
what is the general way to solve endianness problems?
you can't tell what endianness the other thing is on without sending data can you?
 
there isn't
oh, you mean sending over a network or something?
 
Ell
yeah
 
there's a "network endianness", which AFAIK is big-endian
 
1:47 PM
Network data has to be network encoded.
It's quite simple.
 
so you always convert to big-endian to send over network and then if either end is LE, you convert there
 
Ell
ahh okay
so why is *reinterpret_cast<int*>(buf[0]) endian-problematic?
 
woohoo! now I'm beyond the great china firewall and I can watch youtube!
 
You can write some C++ overloads to htons and ntohs, htonl and ntohl.
 
Ell
if buf is an std::array<char, sizeof(int)>
 
1:49 PM
@Ell Because buf is in network order, which might not be the order of your local machine.
x86 is LE, and network order is BE
 
Ell
wait i'm confused, so endianness is a property of a cpu architecture?
 
Bitshifts.
 
Endianness is more general. It's a system of byte ordering.
 
Ell
right
 
most CPUs have one specific endianness
ARM is BE, and x86 is LE, iirc
 
1:51 PM
A 16-bit field has two bytes. You can either order them as AB or BA.
 
@Ell LE 1024 is 00 04 00 00, but BE is 00 00 04 00.
 
Ell
right okay
 
Just use bitshifts.
 
Ell
and a local machine might be LE or BE
 
yeah, the thing that through me at first about endianess is that the bits in a byte are still in the same order, it's just the order of the bytes that changes
 
Ell
1:52 PM
so I need to somehow detect that at runtime? orr what?
 
You can't detect endianness.
 
Ell
so what do I do? o.O
two executables, one for LE machines one for BE?
 
Yes.
Intel is LE.
 
Ell
but all x86 are LE?
 
each CPU architecture has one ordering
 
1:54 PM
Yeah.
 
so you couldn't ship the same executable for two architectures anyway
 
@StackedCrooked Hm, what do you mean
 
Ell
okay,
 
@Cicada Can you tell if 0x12f4 is BE or LE?
 
@Ell well, given that the instruction set assumes a specific endianness, you'd effectively be trying to detect the instruction set at runtime. Good luck with that ;)
 
Ell
1:55 PM
so does it need to differ between cpu as in, amd/intel, or just architecture as in x64/x86 ?
 
@StackedCrooked No, but you can detect if your CPU is BE or LE
 
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Q: Is there a way to do a C++ style compile-time assertion to determine machine's endianness?

Robert GouldI have some low level serialization code that is templated, and I need to know the system's endianness at compiletime obviously (because the templates specializes based on the system's endianness). Right now I have a header with some platform defines, but I'd rather have someway to make assert...

 
x64 and x86 are both LE
 
x64 = x86_64
 
Ell
right
 
1:55 PM
x86 c x86_64
 
all x86 derived processors, including x64, are LE
 
Ell
amd64 is LE then?
 
@Cicada Yes, definitely. Perhaps I misunderstood the question then.
 
Ell
or are amd64 and x86_64 the same?
 
@Ell amd64 = x86_64
 
Ell
1:56 PM
right okay
 
x86_64 = x64 = amd64 = (almost, except an early pentium4 implementation) intel64
 
Ell
so its pretty likely that it will be LE?
 
must be LE
 
100% certainty.
 
all x86 derived procs, including all x64 procs, must be LE.
 
Ell
1:56 PM
right okay. so can I just assume that?
so I will know it will be LE
 
You don't need to detect endianness. (c[0] << 24) | (c[1] << 16) | (c[2] << 8) | c[3] always works.
 
Ell
so when i receive data, I just change it into LE?
 
@Ell You don't have to care about endianness
Unless you're doing cross-platform IO
 
@Cicada He is.
 
Ell
I am doing :L
 
1:57 PM
Then put everything in BE
 
Ell
I'll brb, switching computers
 
Bitwise operators are numeric, so they are agnostic of your local endianness.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes is there a reverse I could use in an initializer list?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The shift amounts are not, though.
 
@rubenvb initializer lists are immutable.
@DeadMG Wut? The shift amounts are always the same.
 
1:58 PM
if the array is in the other endianness, you need to go c[3] to c[0], not c[0] to c[3].
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I meant constructor inializer thingie.
 
@DeadMG Ah, but the array is in a known endianness.
You don't need platform detection.
 
right
 
@rubenvb Oh, like rbegin and rend?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes something to replace what I have now:
  Integer(std::int32_t input)
    : first(reinterpret_cast<std::int8_t*>(&input)[0]),
      rest{reinterpret_cast<std::uint8_t*>(&input)[1],
           reinterpret_cast<std::uint8_t*>(&input)[2],
           reinterpret_cast<std::uint8_t*>(&input)[3]}
where rest is just std::uint8_t rest[N-1] with N>=4.
 
2:02 PM
Indices.
 
@jalf Bjarne looks a bit annoyed in that video
He's like "what the fuck are these questions"
 
Indices are so versatile. I need to finish that blog post.
 
Indexana Jones and the City of the Lost Integer
 
The Belgian Index is also versatile.
 
@rubenvb Wait, exactly what is the problem?
 
2:08 PM
@Potatoswatter Does it have huge balls rolling all over the place?
 
@StackedCrooked Any movie I watch, does.
 
I see you have a good taste in movies.
 
I see your schwartz is as big as mine!
 
  template <std::size_t... I>
  Integer(std::int32_t input, indices<0, I...>)
    : first(reinterpret_cast<std::int8_t*>(&input)[0]),
      rest{reinterpret_cast<std::uint8_t*>(&input)[I]...} {}
  Integer(std::int32_t input)
    : Integer(input, BuildIndices<N>{}) {}
 
@StackedCrooked Invoking @sehe and it's quote-out-of-context supreme power
 
2:10 PM
@rubenvb like this?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You gave a nice bitshift endianness independent char-array-to-int thing. I wonder if there is a reverse int to char bitshift endianness-friendly thing.
In the best case, usable in the constructor's initializer list thing.
@RMartinhoFernandes that would break on N>4, wouldn't it?
 
@rubenvb Well, from int to what endianness?
@rubenvb What do you want to happen on N>4?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes the rest of the bytes needs to be zero obviously. Now you're accessing the 5th byte of an int32_t, aren't you?
@RMartinhoFernandes Hmmm. LE?
 
@rubenvb Ah, in that case, just leave them out. I misunderstood what you wanted.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yeah, nvm. I'll keep what I have now. x86 all the way!
I still need to write the math for this sucker :)
 
2:14 PM
Anyway, I think this gives you LE chars (i & (0xFF << (24-8*n))) >> (8*n).
 
@RMartinhoFernandes OK, noted. Will test it when I get the time. Thanks.
 
@Cicada I'm not worthy. You're a living meme generator
 
I invented a new technique for solving SHA-2
I'm feeling the happies
discovered three new partials
 
@sehe You're hurling compliments at me
 
sweet
@StackedCrooked, still haven't fixed the bug, but now I can repro it with a single thread :)
should be trivial to fix then. Unfortunately, I don't have much time today
 
2:25 PM
@jalf Getting closer :)
 
@Cicada Sorry. i'll try to stop it. Or was that another meme I don't know?
 
@StackedCrooked pastebin.com/678CB0AX
 
@StackedCrooked Seen the new epi yet ?
 
so it's not a race condition after all. :)
 
@sehe Yes it is
 
2:27 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Not yet. Soon!
 
Oh god. Give me a minute while I reboot into google
> New epic sod <
 
@sehe That one is Lounge<C++> specific.
Let me find you the link
 
Rebooting into Google?
 
@StackedCrooked Gehapt :)
 
@StackedCrooked Google is one of the internets
 
2:28 PM
Oh right, I forgot.
 
Implying that googling for memes is cumbersome and tiring business
 
Yahoo is that other one right?
 
@StackedCrooked Gopher
 
@sehe Here sbi "misuses" to throw and, well, I thought it was funny
 
Ah. So you can really summon new memes into being, just by uttering a word
(or two). Impressive
 
2:33 PM
@sehe and his meme analysis. Part #1, the Origins.
 
@Cicada So I take it you noticed that this charming out-of-context star was my doing, then.
 
Not exactly. I don't summon them from the deep nothingness. There's always a basis of truth in my memes.
 
@ScarletAmaranth There's a site for that. Plus, I recently linked a YT vid
 
@sehe Who else could it be?
 
@Cicada I just hope you are not really psychic. In that case, your conjectures about my stalkative ways would be a form of projection
@Cicada True dat. Perhaps, the Lion when he's having a bright moment :)
 
2:35 PM
@sehe As long as these projections don't actually materialize before me, I guess I'm fine
 
facepalm
 
@Cicada Conjecturing is always finer than guessing, like an impressive Cabernet Chauviniste is always better than grape juice.
 
@sehe wat
 
@sehe It is? Because afaik, red wine is just grape juice but more expensive
 
2:37 PM
did you just put those two words together randomly?
Cabernet is a kind of wine
But Chauviniste
Uh. How can I translate that
Well. Chauvinist?(ic?)
 
and less tasty
 
@Cicada No need. I can. The point is [but i shouldn't explain jokes]
 
Alright. Then it's a very nicely made up combination, very wtf-y
 
@DeadMG You are missing a crucial component.
 
(well, the point was that random 'nice sounding' big words are always better than the everyday counterparts (meaning roughly the same))
 
2:43 PM
@sehe I'm fairly discombobulated. What do you mean by that exactly ?
 
@sehe roughly
 
Ah don't emfretten it. The frobnication is just victuose enought
 
frobnication o_O ?
 
alliterations and fancy words are even better:
 
That's a perfectly cromulent word, you know
 
2:45 PM
None of you can honestly beat that.
 
Actually I can
 
I've just found it's even longer form.
 
But that would break my screen
 
" frobnificationisation "
 
oh, have I mentioned I have been able to elude FB's timeline?
 
2:46 PM
@Cicada You should start a competition with Domagoj on making cheap, but really effective, awe-inspiring rhetorics.
@ScarletAmaranth -ism, particularly
 
@sehe Particularly is my cryptonite! :)
 
@rubenvb Wut? You blocked FB from DNS? Deleted your account and burned all friends that are on FB?
 
@sehe nope, I just never clicked on anything timeline related.
 
@rubenvb Cunning
 
I am teh awesomestnessecity
 
2:48 PM
tea is, indeed, awesome insecticide
 
coffee is a great caticide.
 
Why do all these "modern, pop singers" have the same clips? Always the same pattern. Big-breasted chicks (or actually, big-breasts that happen to be on chicks), expensive cars and suits, and always the same moves that are supposed to be oh-so-classy.
 
@rubenvb I'm pretty sure they'll just get more active
@Cicada I wouldn't know, I just don't see them. Helps and it's easier than eluding FB
 
@sehe the semi-wet used coffee from a machine in your garden'll keep ugly catz away
@Cicada because Madonna.
 
@rubenvb But it will certainly not kill them. (Etymology of homicide, suicide, genocide, insecticide...?)
@rubenvb Way too much credit
(really, we yearly drown an ants nest in boiling water in our garden)
 
2:51 PM
@sehe you say potato, I say tomato.
 
@rubenvb Really? I kill you.
 
@sehe This goes against @JerryCoffin, I, and the likes of us
murderrrr
 
@RadekSlupid Linus Trøllvårds
@Cicada Nothing personal, I can assure you
afk - cooking
 
@StackedCrooked BAM! I think it's fixed
 
@jalf Cool!
 

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