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10:00 PM
It's all as recent as can be.
Latest gcc, latest boost, latest kernel,..
However, I don't know much about Linux yet.
I need Google for nearly everything I want to do.
 
Xeo
@Borgleader Yes.
 
Yesterday I discovered webmin. It's a great tool.
 
Xeo
There's on-yomi and kun-yomi, one is for when the kanji is a seperate word and the other is when it's part of a compound.
 
That's only for pronounciation, not for writing, right?
 
@ThePhD On my Win box:
E:\mingw64\boost_1_52_0>.\bin.v2\tools\bcp\msvc-11.0\release\link-static\threading-multi\bcp.exe boost/preprocessor/iteration/iterate.hpp OUTPUT
Copying file: boost\preprocessor\arithmetic\dec.hpp
Copying file: boost\preprocessor\arithmetic\inc.hpp
Copying file: boost\preprocessor\array\data.hpp
Copying file: boost\preprocessor\array\elem.hpp
Copying file: boost\preprocessor\array\size.hpp
Copying file: boost\preprocessor\cat.hpp
Copying file: boost\preprocessor\config\config.hpp
Copying file: boost\preprocessor\facilities\overload.hpp
 
Xeo
10:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yomi are readings, so yes.
 
Ah. Arabic has that, but for writing.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Every kanji can be read two ways.
 
@Borgleader Kyou is one of the easiest kanji there is to learn. It's just a compound of the kanjis for "now" and "day".
 
Plus forms for initial and final in a word.
 
@ThePhD that compresses to 21Kb of headers only
@Xeo Upside down and straight up?
 
Xeo
10:06 PM
:P
 
Not every kanji has two readings.
 
Xeo
Well, most do.
 
Yeah.
I have a general test tomorrow and a kanji test next week.
 
@StackedCrooked Wait? Some are 'throw-away-after-first-use'? No wonder these alphabets become humongous
 
Xeo
I want to have Japanese classes too. :(
 
10:08 PM
@sehe More than two, actually. Your fears are misplaced!
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Well, two groups of readings.
 
In English, capitals are kinda throw-away after the start of a sentence.
 
lol
What about "I"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "kinda"
 
10:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nobody cares about you, so I wouldn't worry about it.
^^
 
It's a double s
 
A big VS update?
 
oh and hi
 
Is this shipping a new VC++ compiler? o_O
 
10:11 PM
@TonyTheLion LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S
 
@ThePhD What VS update?
 
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so?
 
@sehe It says, arigatou nihon no mina san.
 
@DeadMG Maybe I'm just late, but it's Visual Studio, Update 1. It's rewriting all my core libraries, compilers, and some Team Foundation nonsense I don't particularly care about.
 
10:12 PM
@TonyTheLion I was told there is no capital eszett.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably just not in German
@ThePhD It's not a big update, just an updte.
 
@StackedCrooked dammit, why they just don't use Latin letters like you just wrote
 
nihon no mina - everyone is 'mina', and no shows ownership or something like that, so it's Thank you Everyone of Japan, I think.
Maybe that's why it says People of Japan.
 
@Abyx They mix them in occasionally.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't see why there wouldn't be one...
 
10:13 PM
first thing you learn when learning japanese is to drop romaji.
 
@ThePhD Indeed.
 
@Rapptz I'm kind've attached to romaji. ._.
 
@TonyTheLion Because there isn't! "ß" uppercases to "SS".
> ß is nearly unique among the letters of Latin alphabet in that it had no traditional upper case form. This is because it never occurs initially, and traditional German printing in blackletter never used all-caps.
 
@DeadMG Oh, well then. I got all happy. :c
NO NEW COMPILERS FOR ME.
 
Capital sharp s (ẞ) is the contestable majuscule of eszett. Sharp s is nearly unique among the letters of the Latin alphabet in that it has no traditional upper case form (one of the few other examples is kra, ĸ, which was used in Greenlandic). This is because it never occurs initially in German text, and traditional German printing (which used blackletter) never used all-caps. When using all-caps, the current spelling rules require the replacement of ß with SS. However, in 2010 the use of the capital sharp s became mandatory in official documentation when writing geographical names in...
@R.MartinhoFernandes "However, in 2010 the use of the capital sharp s became mandatory in official documentation when writing geographical names in all-caps."
It was added only recently... from my understanding
> The proposal has been adopted and the character was added as Unicode character "ẞ" U+1E9E LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S[5] when Unicode 5.1 was released, on 4 April 2008.
 
10:18 PM
Oh well. According to the canonical algorithm, "ẞ" lowercases to "ß", which uppercases to "SS", which lowercases to "ss".
 
lol
just to make shit confusing
 
@ThePhD The compilers, THEY HATE YOU
(and who can blame them?)
 
Compilers have emotions? :P
 
@DeadMG Everyone. Everyone can blame them.
 
@TonyTheLion Not sure. They have moving parts though.
 
10:19 PM
I also find it funny that in this font, the lowercase version is taller.
 
but the uppercase is fatter!
 
Well, fuck this font
 
fatter == better here in 'merica
2
 
Isn't American like the most obese nation ever?
 
10:20 PM
I think so.
 
:(
This does not bode well for when I actually get around to woman hunting.
 
Nope
 
@ThePhD At least they won't be able to run away fast.
 
@ThePhD Hey, it will at least narrow your choices. :-)
 
Never mind, it is.
They were 9th place in 2007 but they're #1 now in 2012
Nice jump
 
10:21 PM
How can they jump if they are so obese?
 
lol
 
man
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They ran into the fattest person and then bounced into the air!
 
my internet connection is so bad, I'm so desperate for entertainment whilst waiting for my download, I'm watching The Matrix Reloaded.
 
Or they just laid one down and then jump off a diving board and then the obesity LAUNCHED them to the sky.
 
10:23 PM
@DeadMG I presume you've already looked for alternative, less-shitty ISPs, no?
 
I've wanted to ditch comcast for a while now but they have a monopoly in the area and own all the wires anyways.
 
nothing any ISP can do about it, we live in the middle of a swamp and the cables to here suck
 
So even though they throttle my connection I can't really change from their services.
 
@DeadMG If the problem is somewhere in the cable up to your place of residence, then it is their problem.
 
monopolies suck
 
10:24 PM
never really played with WinAPI, but is there a reason why my CreateWindow won't allow me to set a width smaller than 140 pixels? I use no style at all, no buttons, no menu, no caption, etc... yet anything smaller than that gets set at 140 silently
 
@Insilico They're not damaged. They're just very old.
 
If it's the cables somewhere in your residence, then get your lazy ass off and fix them. :-)
 
@DeadMG Oh gawd, you must be crazy.
 
@DeadMG Don't you have a service level agreement with your ISP?
 
a what?
 
Ell
10:25 PM
I must learn ajax
 
Presumably your ISP made some kind of promise that you would have a non-shitty connection at least up to your house?
 
@Ell Go go!
 
... of course not
they'd have to spend millions laying new cable to honour such an agreement
 
Either that or I may be expecting too much from typical ISPs.
 
I Japan drunk people seemed to enjoy patting my belly.
 
10:26 PM
@StackedCrooked Erm...
 
0
Q: G force data convert in C++

Nazır DoganI want to convert G-force data to position in c++. how can convert this? int accx,accy,accz,time; int main() { cin>>accx>>accy>>accz>>time; //formula??? //positon x,y,z; cout<<x<<" "<<" "<<y<<" "<<z; return 0; }

Someone doesn't quite understand basic physics. Or the difference between a physics problem and a C++ problem.
 
why would an ISP make an agreement saying "We promise a non-shitty connection" when the infrastructure in this area can only support a shitty connection?
 
Thread.CurrentThread.CurrentCulture = System.Globalization.CultureInfo.InvariantCulture;
"ẞ".ToLower().Dump().ToUpper().Dump().ToLower().Dump();
---
ẞ
ẞ
ẞ
.NET sucks.
 
that's just them signing an agreement about how they're going to lose all of this money for nothing
 
@sehe It's worse when you do make sense of it.
 
10:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does ogonek handle that character correctly?
 
@DeadMG That sucks. Is there really no other provider you can use?
 
@LucDanton I think I already did. Which is what prompted my prompt
 
@DeadMG Yes.
 
@sehe I my defense that was hard to parse.
 
@Insilico We already changed to the fastest provider. But none of them are gonna commit millions in cables for this either.
 
10:27 PM
@DeadMG My heart goes out to you.
 
@DeadMG Ouch.
 
@LucDanton There was a letter missing in the first word IIRC
 
@sehe I my previous answer to you I played with that!
 
@DeadMG It's not really difficult. You just need to have the UCD and the proper interface (i.e. uppercase is not a function from a character to a character).
 
@LucDanton I didn't notice it any of the times
 
10:30 PM
Java fails too ideone.com/ASQx71
(anyone knows how to change the locale in Java?)
 
Java's Unicode support is well known to be hideously broken, IIRC
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd expect a specific locale (de_DE.UTF8 or something silly of the kind) to be required?
 
'IIRC' and 'well-known' are kinda useless together.
 
@DeadMG Is there any library out there with a non-broken Unicode implementation that's also not a complete pain in the ass to use?
 
It's on the level of 'everyone knows nobody went to the Moon'.
 
10:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I used to know. sadly I forgot. I'd have to rummage in old repo backups. I'm pretty sure a google would be quicker
 
@Insilico The robot's
 
@sehe I want to test the canonical algorithm. With a German locale, I'd expect lowercasing SS to be ß, which is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I need to confirm.
 
@DeadMG It's "out there", but not quite "out there" yet
 
@DeadMG Is that what the robot refers to when he mentions "ogonek"?
 
@sehe FWIW, .NET fails as well with the de-DE culture.
 
10:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why don't you test with libiconv? I assume they have this down and it would be easier (?) to test
 
@sehe Easier to test what? Java's implementation?
 
@Insilico Shhh
@R.MartinhoFernandes iconv - preffably on the CLI
 
But I am not testing out iconv.
 
@Insilico Don't say it too loudly, and you'll tip off the Unicode Dragon's lair he's been sneaking around in. :c
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok
 
10:34 PM
I may try that too, once I figure out Java's locales.
Nope, neither the root locale ideone.com/ASQx71 nor the German one ideone.com/R7ZCBc work
Lemme double-check the UCD instead of trusting fileformat.info.
@Insilico It's still very alpha-y.
 
What he's saying is, use it and report back to him anything that goes wrong.
Maybe fork it and help him out. :D
 
hmm
I would do, but so full of template aliases?
 
Don't all you have to do is change the word 'using' to 'typedef' and it'll work out most everywhere else?
 
no
 
10:43 PM
@ThePhD For template aliases? Definitely not.
 
there's a reason the Committee created template aliases, and it's not to impress the hookers they were with whilst on crack cocaine.
 
Oh well then nevermind.
 
that's ranged-for
 
I guess I don't fully understand template aliases.
 
#include <catch.h++>
#include <ogonek/ucd.h++>
#include <ogonek/text.h++>
#include <ogonek/encoding/utf32.h++>

TEST_CASE("Ezsett", "capital sharp s tests") {
    ogonek::basic_text<ogonek::utf32> uppercased { ogonek::ucd::get_lowercase(U'\x1E9E') };
    REQUIRE(uppercased.storage() == U"\x00DF");
}
// Test passes
 
10:44 PM
@DeadMG Wasn't that how they invented template metaprogramming?
 
Seems neither Java nor .NET use Unicode >=5.1
 
@Insilico Nah. That stuff was mostly invented to support adding the STL.
I mean, the basic features
 
Now, let's see iconv. @sehe got a quick snippet I can run? I never used iconv.
 
nobody had any idea that they were Turing-complete, expression templates, MPL, that kind of thing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Slightly less buried than the java stuffs. Sadly I'm making do with Windows these days, and I don't have all my favorite stuff at my fingertips
 
10:46 PM
@DeadMG I know nobody knew about TMP's Turing-completeness when it was first conceived. I was just being a smartass. :-)
 
@sehe Ah. I'm on Windows too, but for this I will just ssh into the Pi.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ow. What cute purpose! The Pi a Unicode slave to a windows machine
 
Oh gawd, that variable name in the test above is terrible.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
uppercased?
 
10:49 PM
Yes.
 
I used to diligently write those in highschool ^
 
Ah, latin?
 
Quid aliud?
 
Wait, this is silly. iconv is for encoding conversions, not upper/lowercase.
Anyway...
 
@sehe Well Japanese was mentioned earlier and some transliteration schemes use that :p
 
10:56 PM
[rmf@calypso ~]$ iconv -f utf-8 <foo
iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
[rmf@calypso ~]$
 
Wokay
 
The input is a UTF-8 file with a single U+1E9E.
It is valid, I checked by hand.
 
But we've played with Latin before!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was fairly certain libiconv has that capability, but perhaps I misremember (or just CLI tools don't)
@LucDanton Latin1
 
@sehe Meh, it won't even accept valid UTF-8. Fuck it.
[rmf@calypso ~]$ xxd foo
0000000: e1ba 9e                                  ...
[rmf@calypso ~]$
 
11:00 PM
@sehe It has!
Man up!
 
@LucDanton It's hard to fake a good memory
 
@LucDanton Sample?
[rmf@calypso ~]$ xxd foo
0000000: 0000 1e9e                                ....
[rmf@calypso ~]$ iconv -f utf-32be <foo
iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
[rmf@calypso ~]$
WTF.
I feel like I am doing something wrong.
 
4 mins ago, by Luc Danton
Man up!
Not on the right system right now.
 
Ahhhh. The current locale does not seem to have this character.
[rmf@calypso ~]$ iconv -f utf-32be -t utf8 <foo
áº[rmf@calypso ~]$
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes BE, would that not require 1e93 0000 instead? (I'm completely ignorant here)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Golly. Don't you love context sensitive functions for testability
 
11:06 PM
The error could be a lot better. Like, it could stop complaining about the input.
 
Just so I won't shoot myself in the foot: I can store a Derived Class class B : A {} in a unique_ptr<A>, right?
 
Needs a virtual destructor or a careful deleter.
 
And if I specialize that class to have 0 runtime garbage to clean?
 
wtf does that even mean
Once again, I don't think you understand destructors.
 
Uh. There's nothing in B's destructor
Um. Hm. Well, okay.
 
11:08 PM
1 min ago, by Luc Danton
Needs a virtual destructor or a careful deleter.
No exceptions, no special pleading.
 
Ooookay.
 
I didn't make the language. If you want to use it, abide by it.
 
Lol. Someone is getting curt
 
Every time I point out the rules of the language I get shot down.
Don't shoot the messenger that got you answer for the question you asked.
 
@LucDanton You do?
 
11:11 PM
@LucDanton Can't find anything on the manpage. Maybe it's only on the library.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dunno when I'll reboot, and other machine isn't available right now.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes There isn't in German.
@TonyTheLion Oh, there is.
I didn't know.
Sheepish grin.
 
ITT sbi does not know German.
 
Shouldn't that be an ape-ish grin :P
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, 'ß' is one of the reasons toupper() doesn't really work in German.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that was changed in 2010, a year I have been very busy with other things. :-/ I kinda missed it.
 
11:20 PM
#include <catch.h++>
#include <ogonek/ucd.h++>
#include <ogonek/text.h++>
#include <ogonek/encoding/utf32.h++>

TEST_CASE("ezsett", "uppercasing ezsetts") {
    ogonek::basic_text<ogonek::utf32> uppercased { ogonek::ucd::get_uppercase(U'\x00DF') };
    REQUIRE(uppercased.storage() == U"SS");
}
// test passes
@sbi ^ :P
 
Xeo
2
Q: Explicit specialization using variadic parameters within variadic templated class

LostOfThoughtI'm trying to expand a class's variadic template type list within a child method as such: template<typename... P> struct Foo { template<P...> // error C3522: 'P' : parameter // pack cannot be expanded in this context static void Bar(P... a){} }; What is w...

Am I blind or is there no explicit specialization?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes too many ++ in that code... :/
 
@TonyTheLion increments++
 
Oh boy. Gotta learn that std::chrono
 
@DeadMG huh
 
sbi
11:22 PM
Oh, reading that Wikipedia article Tony linked to I realize that this new machine does not yet have the font that enables me to see those exotic glyphs in FF. What was that font? Someone (Martinho?) linked me to it here.
 
Symbola
Excited about seeing piles of poo?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What else would I come here for?
 
piles of poo are awesome
 
Alright, F5 time! GO DISPATCHER, GooOooOooOooooo~
2K milliseconds is just 2 seconds, right?
I'm not crazy?
 
sbi
Jul 15 '11 at 4:20, by sbi
@jalf "Sometimes, compilers are so much more sensible than human beings." Scott Meyers
Damn, how do I install a font under another user name on Windows?
Fuck this machine.
 
11:27 PM
8
Q: Using custom fonts without administrator rights?

Fire LancerI know you can put custom fonts in say C:\Windows\Fonts and applications will be able to find and use them. However this is only possible when you have administrator access to the machine, which is rarely the case in shared environments. Is there a general way to use custom fonts from some other...

:/
> If you double click on any font file, wherever it's saved, you'll get a preview window. Until you close this window, the font will be available for use in other apps, although a few may need restarting.
What. The. Fuck.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that a bad thing?
 
Nah, just crazy.
 
Maybe I should do that if I want to use fonts on a non-admin system.
Just open up a bunch of hidden windows with all the fonts I want.
 
sbi
@ThePhD There could be malware in a font. They can contain executable code, IIRC.
 
Some limited bytecode.
 
sbi
11:32 PM
Well, I installed the font, but it still doesn't work. I suppose I'd need to restart either FF or the machine. None of which I'll do tonight.
 
Replacing font files allows you to control how information is displayed. Perfect for phishing.
 
Well, it shows a preview, I'm not sure if that preview can over-install a system font, right?
I mean, I'm sure there's like an order-of-preference involved there, where what's in the Fonts folder overrides anything in something like a Previews cache.
Or, so I'd like to believe...
WOO!
Dispatcher works perfectly!
Queues up work, sends it to the right thread to be executed, all synchronous, 0 worry about having to Mutex shit that doesn't need mutexes!
Awwwh. Fuck. Yeah.
 
Ell
Is there a restart Firefox button?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's this un-PC reference to "SS"? :)
@Ell Message :6500000 Woot!
@ThePhD Someone is trying to get the better of me:
ThePhD is clearly practicing to be bipolar
I have visited Stack Overflow for 777 days. It’s my lucky day.
^ deserter
 
sbi
Anyway, I have been baking cookies today, and ginger bread, all with a bunch of small kids tugging at my sleeves, and somewhat decorated the apartment according to the season's theme. Then helped a 5yo girl to roof a Lego house, cooked a 5 pots + 2 pans dinner (from leftovers), and served cookies, ginger bread and Stollen. IOW: it's been a long day.
Also, I need to get up in 5hrs.
 
11:45 PM
I would suggest sleep
 
sbi
@DeadMG I was considering this, yes. I'm a bit unsatisfied with not having had more than two hours for myself today. (I left out a lot of stuff, actually. Like spending 2hrs of my evening with a teenager and her problems. Sigh.)
@Ell Mine has a Restart file menu entry, labeled Ctrl+Alt+R. That might have been put there by some extension, though.
 
Stollen looks tasty.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can have a bite, if you want.
 
Ell
@sbi wow, a very productive day. I wish I had the willpower to be productive :P
 
sbi
@Ell Well, I certainly lost all will now, lacking even the will to go to bed. :-/
 
Ell
11:50 PM
Count to 10 then run upstairs to bed
Or think of the fact you must be up in 5 hours
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes BTW, I started TotalCommander as an admin user and copied the file to the fonts folder using that. (And did I mention this company's IT is nuts?)
@Ell There's no upstairs, this isn't a maisonette.
@Ell Oh, getting up in 5hrs is bearable, since I'm not really sleep deprived right now. The problem is that I need to get a lot of things done tomorrow. And that's gonna be hard.
Well, I guess I gotta go. Good night, loungers!
 
Ell
Nighty night :)
 
Gute Nacht.
 

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