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4:00 AM
hehe
I'm surprised I didn't get negative comments for using a "manager" there stackoverflow.com/a/13662167/269211
I don't know who was arguing that game devs were lousy programmers with their "managers"
 
@emartel Oh shit, is that from your talk at UdeS not long ago?
 
@emartel a bunch of people
the main concern being that "manager" says "jack shit" about what the hell is going on
 
@Borgleader well, yeah, I wanted to show them a very simple game, so I programmed a little pathfinding demo
 
Nice nice
 
@netcoder well, it's like a namespace where you can control what's private and what's public
 
4:05 AM
@Borgleader wait, you're from montreal too?
 
and @EtiennedeMartel is from Montreal too
 
(wrong reply fail, I fail a lot tonight apparently)
 
very small world
 
Yeah 3 montrealers here
 
4
the GSL lady is pretty cute haha
 
4:07 AM
@emartel who?
 
it's a starcraft competition
 
IPL4 had a better one ;)
 
I still prefer Anna Prosser
miss Oregon
why do I know that? :/
 
you nerds :P
 
seriously, since I'm on sick leave I probably have starcraft streams open at least 8hrs per day... I busted my Videotron limit so many times :P
 
4:10 AM
TBH, I stopped playing Starcraft like 10 years ago
 
@netcoder I think the word you're looking for is GameDev :P (well... <future> gamedev in my case)
 
@Borgleader no, new game programmer :D
 
hahaha
 
@emartel hahahaha
that's harsh
 
I wonder what I'll do when I go back to work
I think they block twitch.tv
 
4:12 AM
@Borgleader it's a good industry to be in though, so I hear
 
my ass it is
:(
 
@netcoder Depends which company
 
@netcoder it improved a lot over the years
when shipping assassin's creeds, I worked for roughly 3 months 80hrs / week
then probably another 9 months after that at 60+
no overtime pay
 
Is that supposed to be good?
 
yeah, well, matter of fact is that the game industry has little costs and big revenues, especially in Canada
 
4:13 AM
Of course.
 
just "you might get a bonus if it's profitable"
but now that I'm @ Eidos, I rarely work overtime
 
I work 40 hours a week
 
@netcoder well, 10% of games make money, and make enough money to keep the industry afloat despite the 90% that lose money
 
@emartel that's what they say in the books
 
@Rapptz I usually work 40 to 50hrs a week
 
4:15 AM
then you have the column with money invested from the government
because believe it or not, in Canada, I pay the games I play with my taxes
then I buy them
 
I was giving the general answer, most game companies get funding for R&D and tax credits
thanks for paying my salary ;)
 
@emartel which covers 80% of costs
 
no no, less than that
 
I've written R&D reports before :P
 
we PAY people to write our reports :P
Price Water Cooper or whatever
 
4:17 AM
yeah, but that's also a covered expense ;-)
I don't say I'm complaining about it, though
but still, that's the situation
the gaming industry is probably the most profitable one in Quebec
so I pay not to pay, in a sense
 
yeah
but the games created in Montreal are pretty good compared to other regions
 
@emartel I was going to say that
 
I mean, the ratio of good to bad is pretty high
I guess it's because of our European history
Montreal is kinda artsy
 
I have no idea about that
 
while full of Universities pumping engineers out
 
4:20 AM
all I know are facts: games made in Montreal are good, and the ports from these games made in other places are total crap
 
hehe
thanks by the way
we work our asses off to create good games
 
so you worked on AC3 or something?
 
on the first one
I programmed the camera, achievements and console specifications
 
was a good game overall
pretty shitty compared to AC2 though ;-)
not the programmer's fault however
 
yeah, we basically did a tech demo
there's max 40% of the initial design that ended up in the game
 
4:24 AM
what sucks in gamedev is that you have to put up for all the shitty decisions higher people make for you
hell, it's the same for software in general
except for gamedev, you get critics
 
and it's not even only higher people... game designers are pretty dumb sometimes but you can't argue with them
 
sadly, the trend lately has been to take successful franchises and to TRY to make them more mainstream
sometimes it sorta works, other times it utterly fails
 
that's exactly what's happening with the game I'm working on
we're working on Thief 4, and the last few thiefs sold < 100 000 copies
 
you're working at Ubisoft aren't you? :P
 
so we HAVE to make it mainstream to be profitable
hehe no I resigned
 
4:27 AM
I was saying that because Ubisoft tend to fuck up a lot of franchises ;-)
 
hehe
@Borgleader why did you remove your comment? :)
 
AC3 wasn't so bad, but still
 
@emartel You confused me with the "i resigned"
 
oh
I resigned from Ubisoft I meant, in 2007
now I'd be pretty dumb to resign
as without the insurance I'd be in deep deep shit
had over 20K in meds in the last year :P
 
Thief is awesome, btw
but yeah, fanbase is pretty damn low
 
4:29 AM
hopefully Thief 4 will be just as awesome :)
last build I saw last month was pretty kick ass!
 
I played Thief: Deadly Shadows, and there's one particular level that scare the hell out of me.
 
@emartel is it that hard to be a gamedev or what? :P
 
@netcoder what do you mean?
 
20K in meds?
I have... 0 this year
 
oh, I got cancer :D
heheh
don't worry, I should be cured now
I receive my blood test results monday
 
4:32 AM
 
first time I see "cancer" and :D in the same msg
well, good for you :D
 
well people tend to take it badly when I say that I have cancer, so I was hoping that :D would make it look a bit better
 
@Triumphant if people can help you on SO, they'll answer on SO
 
ok, I'm about to give up with Qt and Visual Studio 2012 Express Edition
 
@emartel I gave up with VS a long time ago, nevermind Express Edition
 
4:35 AM
hehe
I like VS (pro - ultimate)
 
@netcoder What you use for an IDE nowadays?
 
but since I installed Windows 8, I want to be "legit" (since my account is liked to my email... so using software for la baie des pirates probably wouldn't be a good idea)
 
@emartel Account? As in an online account?
 
yeah
like everything is "sync'd"
 
So the user account on your computer is linked to an online account?
 
4:37 AM
and I don't know what kind of data they keep about apps you install
 
Is that required for Windows 8?
 
yes a "live" account
 
@Insilico Eclipse, most of the time. Vim otherwise.
 
there might be an "offline" setting, but I didn't see it
Anyone tried Sublime Text 2 for C++?
 
I hate linking any accounts together. I don't want Facebook having anything to do with anything else for example.
 
4:38 AM
@Insilico I totally agree with you
whenever there's a contest or whatever that requests a twitter or facebook account I just close the window :P
I'm not trusting anyone with my logins :P
 
The possible exception is OpenID sites e.g. myOpenID, but even then I'm very wary of them.
 
@emartel The highlighting is nice, but the autocomplete is not as good as VS2012.
 
@Insilico Doing mostly unix dev in C lately, C++ sometimes, python, and Java too
 
but I'm very frustrated... I don't want to pay for Visual C++ Pro... but I want to write a Qt app for Windows 8 :P
 
If I need an (online) account to even begin to run Windows 8 then that's a real deal-breaker.
 
4:40 AM
@Borgleader ok, didn't try the autocomplete with any languages
 
@Insilico You don't need it.
You can disable all those stupid buttons.
That's what I've been doing.
 
@Mysticial That's good to know.
 
@Borgleader I did a Perforce plugin for it though, if you ever need it... it's on github, covers most tasks you might want to do with it, and fails miserably if your clientspec is fucked :D
 
@emartel You can write your own GUI library. :-P
 
@Insilico haha, yeah, thanks, but no :)
 
4:42 AM
TBH I have little to no idea about windows dev :S
dunno if it's a good thing or a bad thing
from my POV, it's a good thing though :)
 
@netcoder Windows is not that bad :)
and when I was talking about Sublime Text, it works the same on all platforms
 
@netcoder It depends. If you're coding with only the Windows API, it's a massive pain in the ass.
If you're using a library on top of it, then it depends on the quality of said library.
 
@Insilico They all suck :P
 
@Borgleader I am speaking on relative terms. :-)
 
とてもかわいい
 
4:47 AM
if I install that, my gf insta-dumps me
but I really don't see why I would want to install that :)
 
she can't handle that kawaii
 
@Rapptz What am I watching?
 
I'm not sure why, but I prefer using the raw winapi over libraries.
 
do you think that video is weird because it's pretty tame
 
But I absolutely adore C#.
 
4:49 AM
@chris W-P-F ftw
 
@Rapptz I guess it's cool cause there's no tentacles?
 
@Borgleader, Yeah, it's pretty nice. It's too bad it's not part of 2.0, though.
Methinks I asked my question at the wrong time.
I've had quite a few good answers this late before, but it doesn't seem like too many people are on right now anyway.
 
Methinks you have too much expectations :P
you asked your question, what, like 19 minutes ago?
 
About that, yeah. It's a bit different from what I normally ask.
I've never been one to come up with the best ever design for classes.
 
question seems meaningless
and probably belongs in Programmers
I say meaningless because people here in SO say "Don't dwell too much on your design"
 
5:03 AM
@Rapptz, Maybe, it does. I'm more familiar with SO and it didn't seem to fit quite as nicely.
 
@chris It's also a weekend.
 
It's such a weird feeling. It seems so wrong for a menu item to be able to change others, which it would never do, but could nonetheless, but it seems to solve all of my problems in a way.
So, would Programmers actually be a good place to move it to? I don't go on it much, but it seems like a bit of a cross between SO and Programmers since it doesn't have so much to do with the code, but the design.
 
@chris What's the question?
 
"What design should I use for this menu"
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Q: What design do I use to make a menu item change itself on the actual menu?

chrisI am, for my own delight, trying to think of a good way to make an easier method of using the Windows API menus. While I did find this one, and might actually differentiate types of menu items by class, I'm kind of going for something like this: Description class MenuItem {...}; class MenuBa...

 
5:14 AM
Let it sit for a week to get the badge. Then ask for a migration.
 
And I thought it was impossible to get that. How many views does it count as "low"?
 
dunno
but 20 is certainly low enough
 
Well, I hope mentioning the winapi doesn't scare people off. It's not supposed to be heavily linked to that, just mentioning what requirements I have.
 
I actually if that badge could be gamed though.
Ask a question, delete it.
Wait a week, undelete it.
That would certainly be a bug.
 
Try it?
 
5:19 AM
I'd rather ask someone who knows and try to fix it.
 
And the whole 60 days + 3 votes means you keep the rep thing.
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13666630/how-to-take-out-the-from-swi-prolog-output
Pretty sure this is a duplicate. However I doubt any of you can vtc :P
 
After 60 days, undelete, rep-recalc, and redelete the answer.
 
@Mysticial Life?
 
@netcoder ?
 
5:21 AM
@Mysticial Seems a lot of work for tricking SO into giving you a badge
i.e.: don't you have a life? :P
 
@netcoder It's actually not that hard.
@netcoder It doesn't take any effort.
Just a few button clicks.
I have more of a life now than a did a few months back.
 
@Rapptz I don't know AS3 all that well. :c
 
Her eyes are.. ... really creepy.
 
@Rapptz She's like a chibbi... but real o.O
 
5:24 AM
My friend thinks I'm weird for thinking she's adorable lol :(
 
Your friend may be onto something, but she's a tad creepy to me.
Those eyes.
It looks like she's about to do something horribly, horribly wrong.
 
Everything is weird for you too though.
 
It is not!
There are plenty things I am not weird about.
 
Like this?
 
@Borgleader The correct word is "child" or "toddler"
:P
 
5:26 AM
@Mysticial 60 days... the effort of remembering at the very least ;-)
 
Hm.
Hey, guys.
If I have a Template Pack,
 
Only badge I tried to get is Fanatic
I like having 1 gold badge
 
or a Pack Parameter, or whatever it's called for a Variadic Template,
 
parameter pack
 
@Rapptz Haven't got that one yet
Believe it or not, went on vacations at my 98th day
 
5:27 AM
how do I have a Class Member that is a type (or one of the types) of that parameter pack?
 
2 weeks without internet
 
@netcoder My electricity got cut off on the 97th day
 
@ThePhD Which one?
 
So I went on my phone
 
Uh. Something like this:

template <typename R, typename ...Args> struct furrovineexport Dispatch : public DispatchBase {
public:
Args... args;

};
 
5:28 AM
@Rapptz That's a trooper.
 
Yeah hence I tried lol :(
 
std::tuple
 
I didn't have internet in the woods though
 
Ah. std to the rescue!
 
Seriously dude, why don't you look at the standard library for once?
 
5:29 AM
STDs aren't fun to have, kid.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Aren't they called STI these days though?
 
I didn't think there was a std type for doing what I wanted. Then again, I'm usually wrong.
 
@netcoder Depends on the region.
 
@netcoder ACtually yeah, I've heard STI a lot nowadays. I'm not sure why the sudden difference. It used to always be STD.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Depends on how old you are :P
 
5:31 AM
They renamed it to STI so C++ coders wouldn't feel bad.
True story.
 
@Rapptz As if the world would ever be considerate like that.
 
It got renamed from Disease to Infection because it's more accurate
It's an Sexually Transmitted Infection, not really a Disease.
 
Hm. Now I have my std::tuple . Now I gotta 'unpack' my tuple and pass it into a function...
 
@Rapptz Al Capone would beg to differ. :P
 
@ThePhD Are you reinventing std::bind, FFS?
 
5:36 AM
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A: "unpacking" a tuple to call a matching function pointer

Johannes Schaub - litbYou need to build a parameter pack of numbers and unpack them template<int ...> struct seq { }; template<int N, int ...S> struct gens : gens<N-1, N-1, S...> { }; template<int ...S> struct gens<0, S...> { typedef seq<S...> type; }; // ... void delayed_d...

 
You don't even search SO man.. :( What is wrong with you?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh. I guess? I dunno. I think I am. I can't quite tell.
 
I BELIEVED IN YOU.
 
@Rapptz I'm searching SO right now don't lose faith in me!
These guys are just like 500x faster than me. ._.
 
the title is literally your sentence
I mean almost verbatim
 
5:37 AM
I ended up here:
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Q: Pass tuple's content as variadic function arguments

GoofyI play with C++0x for some time and now I want to use variadic templates and tuple to implement class "Task". I'm going to pass Task objects into newly created threads (using pthread). Task class will contain function pointer to function which should be called inside thread and arguments for this...

 
Ya I usually search for 'tuple matching function pointer' to find back the question these days.
 
But feel free to lose faith in my spelling. ._.
@R.MartinhoFernandes After looking at it for a moment, no. Because in the end I'm doing I guess what's known as delayed-dispatch, and I want to have that delayed dispatch happen later in time, so I have to save function arguments and then call them later. IIRC, std::bind has to be used with placeholders for std::function, until you call the std::function with the arguments you want.
 
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Yes, you are reinventing std::bind badly.
 
Oh. Well then. :c
 
@ThePhD da fuck
I don't think you understand std::bind.
 
5:44 AM
@LucDanton Not at all, it seems.
 
Hahahahaha XD
For some reason, VB .NET 4.0 and XML aren't things I usually associate with viruses
 
wait, isn't XML just a text file?
 
@Borgleader I consider VB.NET to be a virus
 
@Mysticial It is
 
Generating an XML of the entire File Table and copying what he wants...
Well at least he's trying something.
 
5:49 AM
Well, he also happens to strike me as the kind of guy who doesn't really know how to program but he's heard of a few things and pieced them together.
 
Oh well. He'll spend all this time learning that and by the time he'll hopefully should have realized he could have just studied.
 
@Mysticial Doesn't mean you can't make malware out of one. Sec.
 
The real tricks are: a) bypassing the UAC and b) most school computers are networked, the sessions reside on the network not on the actual drive (afaik) so he'd have to do the transfer while the person is logged in.
 
In computer security, a billion laughs attack is a type of denial-of-service (DoS) attack which is aimed at parsers of XML documents. It is also referred to as an XML bomb or as an exponential entity expansion attack. The example attack consists of defining 10 entities, each defined as consisting of 10 of the previous entity, with the document consisting of a single instance of the largest entity, which expands to one billion copies of the first entity. In the most frequently cited example, the first entity is the string "lol", hence the name "billion laughs". The amount of computer memor...
 
wtf...
 
5:52 AM
Oh well. He'll spend all this time learning that and by the time he'll hopefully should have realized he could have just studied the standard library. (feels appropriate somehow)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No pun intended: LOL
 
lol9
@Borgleader When I was in high school, we simply created an admin account when we were left five minutes alone in the same room as a machine logged in as admin.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol nice
 
Social engineering is much simpler :P
 
Oh definitely
Or just actually studying for the damn exam
 
5:59 AM
Actually, we had to get two of those opportunities, because the first time my friend created an account named "admin" (the admins used "adm") but forgot to actually give it admin powers.
 

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