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Ell
4:00 PM
@AlbertoBonsanto driving blind?
 
@Ell you said you don't know what you are doing
 
Ell
@AlbertoBonsanto oh yeah :L
 
@Ell Get a book
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I will have a look, but I know irrlicht is tried and tested
 
@Ell My point was that you might just want to write something based not on the tried and tested, but rather something new
 
4:02 PM
Fact: on the user's side, singletons are not any easier than globals.
 
@Ell Maybe get this book? i.imgur.com/7KwaZ.jpg
 
Ell
yeah I think I shuold get a book
 
@AlbertoBonsanto learning about shaders isn't going to help you to create a game, if you don't know the previous parts - how to load models etc
 
@BartekBanachewicz worse is to see someone requesting for help and stay silent
:(
 
4:04 PM
@Ell You should think about what you really want to do. Just write a game, or write a game, but learn something in the process.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I just want to make a game
but doing that requires learning, because I know nothing of 3d stuff
 
@Ell so use UDK
@Ell and that's quite OK (i.e. you don't, contrary to popular belief, know 3d well to make 3d game)
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz but one that uses an open source engine/as little proprietary as possible
 
@Ell why? And I mean, really, why?
 
Ell
4:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know really :L
Because I use linux/a lot of other open source stuff
it's only fair :P
Not that anybody will care about this game, but I can at least try to give back :P
 
@Ell time to stop then. Get normal OS, install UDK and go epic.
OpenSource sucks.
 
Ell
No it doesn't
I prefer linux mint over windows 7
the only reason I have windows is to play games
 
name an opensource project that has no better proprietary equivalent
 
Ell
(I know I know, this shows that linux isn't for games)
@BartekBanachewicz linux kernel?
 
@Ell Unix. next please
 
Ell
4:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz how so?
how many microwaves/thermostats/blah blah run unix?
 
@Ell You aren't trying to tell me linux kernel is better than unix, are you?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yes
 
@Ell well then, good luck in creating another Tux Racing or whatever.
no offence, it's just right tools for the job
And oh, I'd also add that best linuxes are, in fact, closed source. Like ESX.
 
@Ell it's hard to build a game right it's like a secret topic, a logy :)
 
Ell
Imho, you haven't provided any arguments as to why open source software is inferior
 
4:12 PM
You can't close Linux kernel.
 
Ell
to me it looks like you have just said "proprietary software is better, end of."
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, kernel has that GPL virus...
 
Also lol at "proprietary always better than open-source" bullshit
 
@CatPlusPlus objection. "there always exists better proprietary soft than given opesource" <- original statement
 
Ell
There is no reason for proprietary software to be automatically better than open source
 
4:15 PM
That's bullshit.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's an opinion.
 
popcorn please, this trolling thing is getting cool
 
@Ell Pretty much.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean, you agree that it is?
 
4:16 PM
The point is, we can argue for a while, call each other retards (internetz!), and then get back to closed source OS and software
 
@Ell No, I mean that's what he said.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahh right
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Chrome is closed source.
 
No, it's not.
 
It is. Chromium is opensource.
 
Ell
4:17 PM
@BartekBanachewicz chromium
 
@BartekBanachewicz Chrome is an official fork of Open-Source Chromium.
 
Chrome is Chromium plus some proprietary stuff.
 
Chrome wouldn't exist with Chromium.
 
Still, it's better than chromium.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz how about firefox?
 
4:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
 
Let's also take compilers, since we're all in here for C++: VC++ is eating shit with C++11 support compared to GCC. And GCC is not proprietary work.
 
@Ell try launching my game in firefox.
 
HTML rendering engines.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz It works fine?
 
Clang is lightyears ahead of MSVC.
 
Ell
4:19 PM
I did use firefox, and have been with that terrain editor too
 
@CatPlusPlus but ICC is ahead of clang.
 
cough
Way to keep it objective.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's nice. But it's only the part, not the product itself.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's software. Now shut the fuck up.
 
Not really, no.
Also other language implementations.
Most of them don't even have any proprietary implementations.
 
4:20 PM
ok so who wants to make the grpahic part of a game
what books should read and in what order @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
What?
How would I know?
 
It seems you're the authority now.
 
Ezerythingy!
 
@AlbertoBonsanto I'm fairly well versed in graphics at this point. I've even built my own Rasterizer, which was fairly dumb (fucking Uni. ._.)
 
Ell
4:22 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yeah what about python, ruby and all those languages. There are loads of OSS better than proprietary stuff
 
@ThePhD So what books should I read, and in what order :)
 
But, I have my own project, so do what everyone else does and hit those Tutorials. Multiple tutorials, because most get something wrong at some point.
@AlbertoBonsanto Fuck the books. You think to yourself "What do I want to make and how do I want it to look?"
 
@Ell I've already "shut the f*** up", so I am not dragging this anymore. You heard my suggestion, take it or leave it
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz okay, then I must say I will leave it
 
The first sub-question to that @AlbertoBonsanto is, 3-D, or 2-D?
 
4:23 PM
@ThePhD +1
@Ell sure thingy, do as you wish.
 
Let me be clear in that what makes a 2-D game feel fucking fantastic is only enough to make a 3-D game look like a very well-made pile of shit in a toilet (that somehow managed to smell slightly good).
 
I'm still laughing at that bullshit
 
@ThePhD 2.5D
 
@ThePhD Okey, now add and you can swap the 2-D and 3-D
 
@BartekBanachewicz The amount of effort it takes and prorgamming it takes to make 3-D work versus 2-D is ridiculous, and once you learn how to sprite/draw pictures, you can follow the age-old practices in rendering pictures really fucking fast, a topic that's been beat to death like crazy.
If you're doing this by yourself, then 2-D is still a better choice because even with hand-drawn shit, a good programmer can make it feel and look alive and Brim with personable charm. Your 3-D, textured-mouth shit? Not so much.
 
4:26 PM
@ThePhD The amount of effort it takes and design it takes to make 2-D work versus 3-D is ridiculous.
And creating 3D models is much easier than creating sprites.
Especially if your graphics team is paid in pizza and sodas.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's easy to create 3D models. Now animate them.
Now have their mouths move like you want them to. Now have to interact in your fully 3-D or partially 3-D environment.
 
If your're making, say, strategy (Ell said something about that genre) you don't need that stuff
You're not going to create Killzone 4
But reproducing something like Warcraft 3 nowadays is fairly easy.
 
@thePhd I don't like how you are behaving, and your attitude in the answers for my questions, if you don't want to answer just say that you can't answer or something, but don't use slang language man... :/
 
@AlbertoBonsanto it was an answer to my post, actually
 
What's happening?
 
Ell
4:30 PM
basically all I need is, a static mostly flat terrain with a single water level, animated farms (growing wheat etc.) and animated transport animals
 
Did the shit hit the fan?
Who the fuck turned on the fan, anyway?
 
Not yet. I think we're going to hit it somewhere around DirectX vs OpenGL or "ready engines vs own"
Ell is making a game. Maybe not as spectacular as getting married, but...
 
@AlbertoBonsanto :| I'm answering honestly. I don't see what the problem is there. 3-D is break-neck hard to do, unless you apply a crapload of constraints. Generally, it is a hell of a lot easier to do it in 2D than 3D, unless you're doing something like a strategy-game from a fixed perspective where you can kick out a lot of the troubles you'll be having with 3-D programmer and development.
 
battlefield 3
 
Ell
The game was originally isometric 2d so it's requirements really aren't much
 
4:32 PM
DirectX is gay! OpenGL rulez! Shit meet fan!
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@Chimera In numerous arguments thrown at DirectX, I see "gay" for the first time :)
 
@ThePhD That's what i have in mind, 2d with 3d perspectives :( but in a far far far future
 
@BartekBanachewicz :-)
 
@BartekBanachewicz MWahhaha, and you have no comeback for it!
Maybe you could insult OpenGL's mother.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hehe
 
4:33 PM
i think you guys need to develop olfactory games to have any idea
 
Why should I? Heck, I'm OpenGL fanboy all the way.
 
OpenGL's mother was only 2D!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, dammit.
 
Eh. DirectX and OpenGL are just APIs. Interested in porting it to Linux/Mac anytime? Then probably stick to OpenGL. Will you ever be interested in porting it to Linux/Mac for real for your 10% customer base for your first game ever? probably not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Now you have the great moment to bash me with "hahah, see, it's opensource"
 
4:35 PM
@BartekBanachewicz OpenGL is OpenStandard. Everything else about it is proprietary.
 
Too busy slaying Unicode dragons.
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the nice thing about olfactory games is that the designers can try things out at restaurants etc., without, so to speak, giving the game away
 
@ThePhD Your first game should be portable for maximum exposure.
 
@ThePhD There are mobile platforms too.
 
@BartekBanachewicz iD tried working in the mobile space, gave it up.
 
4:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Which could be Windows Phone (DirectX or some C#/ SharpDX knockoff), or iOS/Android (OpenGL / OpenGL ES)
 
@ThePhD which is like comparing "5% of the market or 95% of the market"
Oh, I forgot about consoles. make it 2% and 98% then
 
Or we could just use libsvga
 
What bedroom programmer can afford the SDK for a console?
 
@ThePhD You can launch on PC, then invest and launch mobile, then invest even more and go into niche of small console games
I don't know how much Sony charges right now, but for small games it certainly isn't a blocker, probably between 100-1000$
 
4:39 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Assuming your PC launch was a success in the first place.
 
@ThePhD Aren't every bedroom programmer assuming that? :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz :| That's rent, man. That's rent.
 
@ThePhD Either you go big or don't start gamedev at all.
Anyway, you are not losing anything by using OpenGL, that's the point
 
I'm not saying OpenGL is bad or DirectX is bad. I'm just saying that they're implementation details and really not important.
The most important question is: what am I actually making in the first place? Then, 3-D, 2-D, or mixed? Then, you know what you need to be conquering. Those two questions figure out two big things for you: what your Update loop is going to look like, what your Render loop is going to look like.
 
@ThePhD I'd say they will be the same.
 
Ell
4:44 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That doesn't make any sense - you have to start somewhere
 
At the start, duh.
 
@Ell I.E. you start in your bedroom, until you A) get hired B) make something great enough to ship out and stop doing it in your Bedroom.
 
Ell
you can't start big is what I'm saying
 
@ThePhD I vote for A
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it's not always about the money for bedroom programmers
 
4:45 PM
@Ell you can fail starting big. But man, what an experience!
@Ell getting hired is not only money, it's experience
 
And unpaid overtime.
 
Duh. I'm starting tomorrow, I need positive feelings!
 
@Ell Big usually costs money, or a lot of time, or some combination of the two. Bedroom programmers usually don't have a lot of time (have to hold a job or take care of Uni shit or other related nonsense), or they don't have the money (can't get the SDK, can't interest an artist in making stuff for their game because they have no money or the skills themselves).
Which is why games with really good art are Bedroom Designers who team up with Bedroom programmers, both having the common interest that: "WE'RE BROKE! :D Let's make something fun!"
 
If you have to "port" your software to Linux/Mac, you suck at writing code.
 
@CatPlusPlus Window/context creation is a bitch
 
4:49 PM
Stop reinventing the wheel.
 
It's also a solved problem.
 
Use GTK or Qt.
 
@CatPlusPlus what the... Get him out of me <meeeoooowww>!
Now rly, warn before you post something like this.
 
Meh. The only porting that has to be done is either at the API level (switching OpenGL from DirectX, if you used DX/OpenGL directly (or just using OpenGL in the first place)), and at the Graphics-Level (which can be solved by just using some toolkit).
 
But I do agree that there are other solutions.
 
4:50 PM
If you argue about the size in the context of game development I swear I'll laugh at you until I die
 
Not that the graphics stuff matters, because there's so many examples on the web as to how to make a context that it's really not a problem.
 
Ell
also you don't need re-usable context creation really
 
@CatPlusPlus I would argue about the crappy code/API. How about that?
 
Ell
you make a context, use it for your game and when you quit it is destroyed
 
It's solved problem. You don't need to write it.
 
4:52 PM
Just google Context Creation and copy like the first google hit's code. Stuff it in a function or an initializer for a class.
 
Anyways, @Ell, if you want to stick to linux, I'd give THREE.js / WebGL a chance. Feel free to copypaste my code if you want to and play with it for, say, a few days. Sitting there and talking won't make a game.
 
Done. No problem.
 
Also managing context lifetime is absolutely irrelevant
Also windowing code is literally less than 1% of a game codebase
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz okay, thank you :)
 
@CatPlusPlus This. Dealt with windowing once for Windows, never have had to go back again.
 
4:54 PM
@Ell If there's one thing I can ask, do it by a fork. I'd like to see what you'll manage to achieve, too :)
 
You really suck at life and everything if you can't make software that works on major platforms
 
And I did extra shit, like handling switching between fulls creen and being able to change VSync and other shit on the fly.
 
Especially a game that doesn't have to deal with system UI
 
So, now, a bit of offtopic. Do you think Effective C++ from Meyers ( i mean all 3) is worth 60+ $?
 
It's a C++ book
So, no
 
4:57 PM
There are three?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Effective C++ 1&2, and Effective STL. I am thinking about getting a bundle
@CatPlusPlus I bought Primer, and I am very happy with it.
 
I would not buy them, but only because I don't expect to gain much insight from them.
 
I would wait for C++11 editions( which might take a while). You learn half of the tips by reading SO anyway.
 
@bamboon ah, thanks. I thought they're already updated.
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're the effing pro, anyway. You're supposed to write these books
 
Meh, I struggle (and fail) to churn out a blog post every month.
 
5:02 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's not an excuse :)
It's the only weapon the newbies like me have against the high-rep maniacs.
 
I don't understand what you mean.
 
Well, the constant contact with the people that know more than you is obviously making you (well, me) want to know more. However, from your point of view, I think it could be easier to say "I know a lot" and stop learning at some point. So "you're supposed to do even more" is (the weapon was the bad word) quite the same impulse, but going in the opposite direction
Whatever, add it to my list of "social aspects of SO" random thoughts.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes By the way, you've prolly missed it, but I asked about bitbucket. I've found pretty everyone from lounge there, but not on github. Is there any special reason for that?
 
Prolly because many of us prefer mercurial.
 
5:12 PM
I like private repos for free
 
@BartekBanachewicz We had a big splurgy of signup for Kyrostat
 
Oh, that too.
 
@Rapptz I meant public repos, private are hidden anyway
 
Proprietary version control is better no?
 
Bitbucket supports git anyway.
 
5:13 PM
Yeah it does support git.
 
I have accounts on both :) github for OS, bitbucket for uni assignments
 
Me too.
 
Nowadays, I only use GitHub for the blog.
GitHub Pages is sweet.
 
In other news, I'm still kinda dizzy ahaha
Amazing
 
5:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why do you prefer bb? Just for Hg support? Or something else?
 
private repos?
 
@DeadMG - I realized that I'm supposed to implement my queue as a linked list.
 
Bitbucket has better plans
 
@Moshe use std::list for that ;p
 
And by that I mean free plan
 
5:39 PM
or even better, implement your queue on std::queue
 
@BartekBanachewicz He wants us to make the list with pointers.
 
@Moshe std::list is using pointers... internally :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know, he wants to see that we know how to implement a list.
 
I prefer to make them circular with a sentinel.
 
Recursive lists ahoy
 
5:40 PM
@Moshe You can implement a list. Using std::list. Problem?
 
Had to do so before (Boost.Intrusive Y U NO MOVE SEMANTICS)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fair enough...
 
Using std::list is not implementing a list
 
@CatPlusPlus get lost. I'm trying to help him survive.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mentioned that. on occasion
 
5:42 PM
Surviving involves not doing shitty uni assignments at all.
 
@CatPlusPlus Ok, so how would you do it? I've made an attempt. Still not done though.
 
@sehe Because it's awesome!
 
In other news:
@debasishg @viktorklang Absolutely. I'm always amazed to find people in industry still doing C++ and repeating all the old myths.
 
Also, Chrome even broke spellchecker. Gj
 
^ Whoa. Some twitter inner circle are having a C++ bashing - fest
 
5:42 PM
old myths?
what myths?
 
@Moshe Basic list is not that difficult to implement.
 
@sehe who is that guy?
 
lol my tumbleweed question just got a vote
 
@bamboon Not sure. I follow P. Snively
@Rapptz Ah. I missed things. What a surprise
 
5:44 PM
@sehe should we care?
 
@sehe I find it interesting how he mentions old mythings and then... twitter.com/jonharrop/status/275281816259293184
 
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nope. I'm suprised at the venom(?) in there. I mean, why do they care? Because Lisp is so superior?
 
> Why should you declare a destructor as virtual?
Bad question
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well I thought the same thing, roughly:
@G3rtm @jonharrop I'd venture to guess he gets paid because he likes to mention the language everywhere. Also, who's repeating the myth...?
 
5:46 PM
> What is name mangling in C++ and why is it used?
An irrelevant implementation detail
> What is an abstract base class?
 
@CatPlusPlus an interface
 
@CatPlusPlus Are questions that have straightforward/trivial answers bad questions?
 
@sehe I guess "haters gonna hate" cuts it.
 
@sehe It implies non-virtual dtors are bad
 
@CatPlusPlus does it?
 
5:47 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Precisely. which has me surprised, since I don't usually run into that on the nets. I don't frequent the more troubled corners, it seems
 
Ell
I wouldn't say It's irrelevant, I think yiu at least news ti know its different on each compiler meaning you can't interface binary stuff because its been mangled
 
> Since arguable the most versatile low-level program, that is, the linux kernel, is written in C as a matter of policy, and not in C++, why not use thoroughly proven and much simpler plain old C when you need to capture every bit of performance, do raw hardware interfacing, or are facing real-time constraints? What value does C++ actually add to C in that respect?
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah. That way. I'd tend to agree, allthough I didn't make the jump from the isolated quote
 
> What is the const operator and how is it used?
Operator?
 
@Rapptz Very little indeed. Convenience. Productivity. Readability. Maintainability. As all C hackers know, you can't run "convenience", or "maintainability". You can only run "code that (barely) works."
 
5:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol we talked about that yesterday
 
@Rapptz most versatile low-level program is C compiler... written in C++ :P
 
I was drinking yesterday
 
I recall. :P
 
@CatPlusPlus Right, they're not, but I'm having trouble with my add/freeNode methods, because I'm trying top put it into my node class.
 
I got that quote from the comment section of the article. It's full of C++ bashing.
 
5:50 PM
Show code
 
@Moshe show code
 
> How do you free memory allocated dynamically for an array? What are the implications of just using delete?
Ugh
> What is the difference between #include <iostream.h> and #include <iostream>?
Really
 
Ell
whee are these questions coming from?
 
@Ell Form the unnamed reddit thread
 
5:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol.
I guess I can stop reading now.
But...
> Sure, you can use smart pointers in the new C++ to prevent you from having to manually manage memory.
Are people this gullible?
 
> C++ development is more about learning every nook and cranny of the language.
 
I hate this new myth that smart pointers are new.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does that myth really exist? Isn't it rather that they are finally usable without a hassle?
 
I like the implication that C++ is bad direction, but C#/Java is a good one
 
in particular, unique_ptr with move semantics ’n’ shit
 
5:53 PM
std::auto_ptr existed forever
 
The guy is an idiot, can we move on? You seem to be acting like a bunch of victorian ladies that saw a naked ankle.
 
@KonradRudolph IME, yes. Smart pointers are often touted a "new" thing, when the only new thing is really moves in the language.
 
> If you can program in C++, you can program in any programming language. If you understand how stack and heap memory work, pointers and references and all the low level details that make C++ so tricky, it will help you when you are working at higher abstractions and in understanding how computers work in general.
 
(You could do moves before, just not as easier on the implementation)
 
This sentence is hellishly bad.
Well, two sentences.
 
5:55 PM
lol, "any programming language". Clearly a seasoned polyglot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ugh, don’t tell me. I worked on a library where we had moves implemented (because we shifted some pretty huge objects around) and it was a fucking mess. Oldest part of the library, totally broken, and everything used it under the hood
 
I like how he mentions stack and heap
 
Just to throw my opinion into the mix though, I think this is one of the better blog posts that is critical of (some aspect of) C++. I see myself agreeing with most of it
 
(And no, don't ask me how I did it before moves: I learned C++ after the FDIS)
 
@BartekBanachewicz WHERE!?
 
5:58 PM
This blog post is bad, because it concentrates on wrong things
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can do move semantics in C. Heck, C bigots will even say it's easier!
 
@sehe I love how we first hate the hate, then continue to hate the hater.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't. On both accounts. I'm just being surprised.
 
@sehe using we = Lounge;
 
There's plenty bad with C++, but lack of abstraction ain't it
 
5:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Lol.
 
Reading anything about C++ is painful
People are just so bad at it
 
@KonradRudolph I don't really enjoy the point he is trying to get across. He mentions in the end that his point is not to bash C++ yet that's all the blog post did, an attempt to bash things with using terrible questions and using the fact that the language is "too big" as one of his arguments. It felt misconstrued.
 
@Rapptz I don’t see that. What he does is bashes the (mis)conception that now that there’s a new C++ standard, C++ as a language is suddenly more valid to learn for new programmers
 
Do you guys all enjoy PoCo going to github (from sf.net) as much as I do?
> Blog: "The numbers" comments
 
and I totally agree with him that that’s balls, although I disagree with him slightly on the extent to which C++ is still useful – but that’s mainly because I’m working in a field where C++’ performance makes sense across the board
 
6:04 PM
@KonradRudolph I have never seen anyone saying that.
 
-1
Q: How to make a pointer to an Enum?

Eslamclass Line{ point p1,p2; public: enum colors{ EGA_BLUE, EGA_RED, EGA_YELLOW }; colors *pointer; Line():p1(1,1),p2(15,15){cout<<"Default Constructor";} Line(point p1,point p2){ pointer=new colors; *pointer=EGA_BLUE; this->p1=p1; this->p2=p2; } void setP1(point a){this->p1=a;} ...

lolwat?
 
@CatPlusPlus who do you consider “anyone”? C++ experts probably not, but the author said himself that he has heard it a lot being asked by beginners, and I do get the impression too that C++11’s publication has led to a second November (cf. AOL reference)
 
It was stated under the goals of C++11 that it should "Make C++ easy to teach and to learn without removing any utility needed by expert programmers."
 
Well, anyone.
 
Maybe that's where he got it from?
 
6:06 PM
C++ will never be easy to teach and learn.
OTOH you don't necessarily need to learn about all the outdated cruft first.
 
I do think that C++11 gets easier to teach even though it added features, because it defers the need to learn low-level features of the language even further – but it doesn’t remove that need
 
As some people (cough almost everyone teaching C++) seem to think.
 
@CatPlusPlus ^ this
People are still bashing the pre-1990 version of C++
 
Any teaching material mentioning pointers before explaining templates and UDTs is bad and should burn
 
@CatPlusPlus In fairness I reckon that, surprisingly often, it will see inceneration in practice.
We should research this.
 
6:19 PM
morning sirs
 
Heyooo
 
@Borgleader how's it going? :)
 
Good good :) you?
 
good!
 
6:35 PM
I have four paragraphs describing how to write something that seems appropriate, but later in the post turns out is completely unnecessary. Should I cut that out, or keep it and comment on how it turned out to be unnecessary?
 
Shift it to the bottom, put a footnote marker?
 
Four paragraphs (and a 6-line code snippet) on a footnote?
 
Oh.
That's kinda diesel.
 
Show it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes depends on the topic. Unicawde I presume?
 
6:42 PM
(grep "How can this be done?")
 
can't even edit a .rc with VS Express, wtf
 
I decide to take a different approach, and that text is old.
 
@emartel doesn't it come with the text editor included?
 
You can edit .rc, it's a text file.
It just doesn't have WYSIWYG.
 
never had, IMO
 
6:45 PM
Dialog resources have.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh that. I did use the GUI editor there. Not with much enjoyment, but... I did use it
 
@sehe yeah, but it's annoying, if you double click the file it displays some stupid "Resource View - Resource Editing is not supported on the Visual C++ Express SKU"... you need to right click and "View Code"
 
Annoying. How can they pass a thing like that off, for free? Arrogant bastards.
Oh... wait
 
I know right? :)
 
Oh you do? Good. Nothing said then
 
6:51 PM
@KonradRudolph It is.
 
Oh hey, GHC can compile mutually-recursive modules.
 

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