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6:00 PM
Not even any critical chance or chain-combos like Chrono Trigger
So it's gameplay actually wasn't fantastic. But the thing was so goddamn entertaining.
@Xeo Yes. You had to pray.
 
sounds like a steaming hunk of dogshit
 
It's jRPG, of course the combat will be absolutely terrible
 
@Xeo Yeah. And the final blow was dealt by the player.
 
Bah, how do test the app and not notice that the fucking login doesn't work.
 
SMAAAAAAAAAAASH! 86 damage!
 
6:02 PM
@ScottW "the game has been lauded by gamers for its humorous depictions of American culture and parody of the role-playing video game genre"
 
I guess EarthBound is a pretty amazing Comedy game.
 
jRPG menu-turn-based combat is absolutely terrible in every game ever.
 
EarthBound odditities: pages 1, 2 and 3.
@ThePhD Oh, what made you think that? The fact that you fight hippies, taxis and cups of coffee? The whole acid trip sequence in Moonside? The drugstores that act as weapon shops?
 
I think the sneezing and getting a Cold status effect did it for me.
I wish I could get a cold in other games.
Imagine, you're playing DoTA2 or League of Legends and you don't get stunned, snared, rooted or knocked out.
You catch a -cold-.
 
Image not found?
 
6:06 PM
Hmm.
 
I could but it's kinda boring
 
@ThePhD There was also that status effect with that mushroom growing on your head that flipped your controls.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That was funny to watch when it happened to my brother, but made me rage when I got it.
 
shuddup
 
Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Story were the best Mario-Universe games I've ever been able to play.
Yoshi's Story especially.
BLACK YOSHI FTW.
@ScottW You're weak.
Nah, I'm just kidding.
This New Super Mario Brother's Wii stuff can't hold a candle to Mario's World and Yoshi Story and Super Mario 64.
Though, I'm really wondering what they'll do with Mario now.
I mean, he's been everywhere.
 
6:11 PM
@ThePhD Yoshi's Story? Meh.
I'd say my favorite Mario game would be Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.
 
The Paper mario series was another fantastic one. It's actually second to Mario RPG for me.
 
> I played the last Paper Mario, Thousand Year Door, on the Gamecube, and I thought it was a sparkling diamond in a dark, depressing sea of vomit.
 
I never bothered to pick up the Mario & Luigi stuff.
I also never took up Luigi's Mansion.
Passed it over for Super Mario Sunshine. That game was fun, even if a bit bland after a bit.
Okay.
This chat is really getting me off track.
STREAMS, lets do it. Virtual abstract base class, then on to MemoryStream and FileStream
Then DataReader, BitDataReader, FLACReader
 
Awful.
 
can I change the description of the room?
 
6:20 PM
-5
Q: How do i keep the internet elitists, douchebags and trolls from closing my questions without providing a reason?

user1768203How do i keep the internet elitists, douchebags and trolls from closing my questions without providing a reason ? I'm sick and tired of it. All over internet on every single forum. I have to deal with these kinds of tiresome lowlifes. Now they have come to stackoverflow. Where is the report but...

 
@Mysticial Hahaha, nice find.
 
@CatPlusPlus ah, right oh
@melak47 join at trello.com then ping me your name on it. if you use google to sign in, it will steal your name, so change that first if you want
@CatPlusPlus It's nice to have the extra fluff behind games, but yes, it needs to have enough in game to carry it self
 
I'm here @melak47 @Cicada
 
Hidden deep meaning might be good for silly poems but hahaha shooter games.
(Also never liked literature classes so there you go)
 
Oh good dan is handling that
 
6:26 PM
@Mysticial it's interesting both that it accumulated 17 downvotes in so short a span, and that apparently none of the commenters realize that it's an account created solely for asking that question. jeez.
 
Xeo
@Cheersandhth.-Alf He did have a closed question on SO, linked in the comments. Maybe he's extrapolating from that? :P
 
is it possible to get c90 standard draft ? I could only locate c99 on the web...
 
The best part:
> All over internet on every single forum.
HEY GUYS I'M A BAD POSTER EVERYWHERE TREAT ME SPECIALLY
 
@CatPlusPlus "Oh look, the whole band is out of step except my Johny!"
 
6:28 PM
"I've had this problem before and there hasn't been anything I could do about it because they were moderators so they could remove my sent e-mails of misuse warnings to the site owners." ahahahaha
 
@CatPlusPlus I like Doom's approach to it, "oh, you want some sort of story... erm... let's see what fits with the fun game we made"
 
'Last time i checked both sql and javascript are programming languages' - yes, but who the fuck wants to debug that shit?
 
I screenied that question. It's sure to be deleted.
 
wait... SQL is a programming language?
what's next, HTML? maybe PHP?
 
6:32 PM
Sorry, I'll rephrase that 'Last time i checked both sql and javascript are programming languages', yes, but both require complex environments to debug. How err.. 'strange' that anyone should ask other develoeprs to fix them by blog.
 
^ There are questions using those tags. It is weird if his question was really closed.
 
No, on third thoughts, trying to debug complex SQL queries by blog, without the DB and tables, is fucking insane. Only a complete moron would ask bloggers on SO to do it.
 
DAFUQ!!!
 
@LuchianGrigore In some implementations it's actually Turing-complete. Of course it's useless for anything, but CS people.
 
@Cicada Do you work with Slim(Sharp?)DX and C#?
 
@LuchianGrigore I can't believe some people think this will work...
 
huh... I don't seem to have all the flag options...
meh
 
cout<<(*--*++ptr+1)<< endl;
 
next, someone will eventually hit on the idea of copying code for SO question, from the annual obfuscated C contest
 
@LuchianGrigore Ah, my evil past comes back to haunt me! It was originally written in C:
#include<stdio.h>

char *c[] = { "ENTER", "NEW", "POINT", "FIRST" };
char **cp[] = { c+3, c+2, c+1, c };
char ***cpp = cp;

main()
{
printf("%s", **++cpp);
printf("%s ", *--*++cpp+3);
printf("%s", *cpp[-2]+3);
printf("%s\n", cpp[-1][-1]+1);
return 0;
}
I'm afraid I have to plead guilty to having been the one to translate this awfulness to C++.
Oh, and before you compile and run, see if you can figure out what it prints. First one with a correct answer gets a Lounge<Prize> (i.e., nothing).
 
6:49 PM
@JerryCoffin formatting fail :)
 
@Mysticial Yeah, indentation would help that a lot! :-)
 
*--*++cpp+3 <--- What. The. Fuck?
 
^ this
 
@LuchianGrigore That animal must have cataracts <g>
 
6:52 PM
@TonyTheLion I did mention "evil" didn't I? In fairness, I should give credit (?) where due: most of the nastiness originated with a guy named Thad Smith.
 
Oh cool, I'm 4th on the newsletter this week.
 
LLVM has a cool logo
 
^ spoiler alert
 
@thecoshman hey
@thecoshman name's "melak47" :p
 
6:56 PM
@LuchianGrigore CatPlusPlus when he is finally impressed.
 
@rubenvb but what is it
it could look like an animal from a viking ship, rendered by a web designer?
?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf a dragon (i think), probably a result from LLVM's earliest achievement: dragonegg
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf dragon obviously
 
@melak47 done
enjoy
 
hm okay thanks
 
6:59 PM
Should I make my new streams
using the FILE pointer from the C Standard IO,
or use the C++ streambuf ?
 
you're providing a type safe interface. then no need to add in c++ iostreams inefficiency. especially since c++ locales not support by old g++ compilers, possibly not even on latest
just my 2c
 
@ThePhD why wouldn't you use the standard iostreams?
@ThePhD wait, are you making custom streams?
 
For those who want some idea of how truly diseased I can be, at one point I decided to add still more misdirection and create multiparadim awfulness: ideone.com/EoGgAt
 
@MooingDuck since they're darned inefficient? and difficult to use?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I'm aware of those reasons, but I still use and recommend them. I'm asking why he is choosing not to use them anyway. Those might indeed be his reasons.
 
7:02 PM
@MooingDuck After seeing some simple performance tests for reading text with C++ streams vs. C# streams, I've decided the standard library writers for them are either crazy or insane.
I need it to be efficient and fast. Game loading can't be slow; people expect that shit to fly.
And from a constant F5-debugging standpoint, I need them to fly too.
 
@ThePhD performance is due to an unusual implementation that provides a very high amount of flexibility and localization. (So crazy)
 
I believe some of them perform extra checks that can be turned off
 
Are you flushing the stream constantly?
That also hinders performance. e.g. std::endl;
 
yeah one can turn off sync_with_standard_io or what it called
 
Why not just use C IO if you want performance?
Writing a whole new stream interface soundslike overkill
 
7:05 PM
@Pubby C IO is not typesafe afaik
 
I didn't think IO could be fully typesafe
 
273
Q: Why is reading lines from stdin much slower in C++ than Python?

JJCI wanted to compare reading lines of string input from stdin using Python and C++ and was shocked to see my C++ code run an order of magnitude slower than the equivalent Python code. Since my C++ is rusty and I'm not yet an expert Pythonista, please tell me if I'm doing something wrong or if I'm...

 
@Pubby in what way is standard C++ IO not typesafe?
 
C IO is a little unwieldy to use, and I need a base class by which I can defer loading into. A generic Stream class - which is virtual and abstract and can be implemented as I see fit - will be the Backing Store for either Memory or the reference to File data or TCP or some other thing. I can also make Stream my basic type for Loading Modules when I need plugins.
 
@MooingDuck Well I mean you're converting a bunch of chars to other types, that's not exactly typesafe
Maybe you're talking about something else
 
7:07 PM
The individual specific Readers which can be given a Stream object can handle their specific localizations and demands of the file they want, but the stream should just handle getting and setting bytes into a file or other storage / memory target. Or at least, that's what I'm thinking.
It seems like a cleaner separation of power and could avoid the C++ io's implementation's overhead.
 
@Rapptz So from what I understand, it's safe to turn off synchronization with stdio so long as you don't mix C++ IO and C IO?
 
@Pubby the conversion is done in a safe way: ss >> myint won't be UB if the data in the stream is not an int.
@Borgleader yes
 
Ah cool :)
 
@ThePhD I think you need to study iostreams a bit more. From your description, you're simply taking what iostreams call a streambuffer, and renaming it as stream.
 
@ThePhD that sounds a lot slower than the standard C++ streams
 
7:12 PM
@MooingDuck From what he's said so far, I'm not even sure it's anything (except the names he's using) really any different from standard streams.
A standard iostream is basically a "matchmaker" class: it puts a stream buffer (which handles the actual buffering and I/O) together with a locale (which handles all the formatting and conversions). The stream class itself holds those, plus keeping track of the current formatting state, so it knows how/what conversions to ask the locale to do.
 
Ell
I don't really get streams
I just want to be able to do socket.getStream or MemoryStream.new or something
 
@Ell Almost nobody does. I think I understand a little more than most; @Dietmar Kuehl knows a lot more though.
 
lol
2
Q: C++ Streams compared to .NET Streams?

user230821Is there any reason the stl still uses the streams that it does? It seems that .net streams are much easier to use and implement. I can understand them keeping them due to compatibility reasons but why haven't they added a new stream implementation more like .net? What are some pros and cons of ...

 
Hm. I think my goal is to strip off all the locale and formatting and conversions. I don't want the usual matchermaker nonsense, and it seems like streambuf can do that.
 
@Ell What do you want socket.getStream to do? If you want a stream that reads/writes a socket, that's certainly been done (though it turns out to be a lot less useful than most people initially think).
 
7:19 PM
So I'll make my Stream class derive from streambuf, which gives me Engine it's own platform to define file reading out of.
 
Ell
Oh does boost do it or something?
 
Is Boost.Iostream any good?
 
But it'll offer compatibility by allowing people to give in regular iostreams from C++ by passing in their rdbuf or just opening their own streambuf types.
Alright. I think I got this.
... I think.
 
Ell
I didn't know a stream was supposed to be responsible for formatting
 
In C++ they are
 
Ell
7:21 PM
See in my eyes, all a stream should do is read/write bytes to a particular backend e.g. socket, memory, file, etc
 
that's why there's the whole system for specifying the number of decimals you want and how many "columns" a number should use when printed and so on
 
@Ell That's what's the iostreams library calls a streambuffer.
A stream has manipulators for things like width, precision, number base, etc., all related to formatting.
 
My colleague just informed me that he found D/LatinKeyboard( 1460): Not NULLL!!! in his Android debug log.
 
Android logs are always full of crap
Ignore everything that's not your app or go crazy
 
Notice the three Ls and the three bangs.
 
7:23 PM
how to declare large size matrix in C++?
 
That thing really isn't null.
 
(Also don't ever use 'verbose' level for your log messages, or you'll have to wade through tonne of system shit)
Android is duct-tape 2.0.
 
@cat where did you find glload? It has balls all information about it out there
 
Unofficial OpenGL SDK.
 
yeah, I worked that part out ¬_¬
 
7:25 PM
So what do you want?
 
is that (currently down site) all you used to learn about it then?
 
ah curses. My program is still dereferencing an invalid pointer. It's valid, I dereference it, it's still valid, I dereference again, suddenly it's invalid. But only in release builds.
 
@MooingDuck Sounds like UB.
 
@EtiennedeMartel clearly
 
@thecoshman Yup.
 
7:26 PM
stupid site being down :(
 
It's just gll::LoadExtensions or however that's called and then just OpenGL.
 
Ran my code with boundschecker, but it found no errors up to the invalid reference.
 
They don't document extensions on that page, anyway.
 
@MooingDuck Can you set a breakpoint on the pointer to see if something is modifying it? (or is the pointer remaining the same, and what it points at getting released early in a release build?)
 
You have to go through GL registry.
It has API descriptions and stuff.
 
7:27 PM
@JerryCoffin I'm stepping through line by line, nothing touches the pointer near there.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, but I am getting undefined reference errors :(
 
To what?
Are you linking it?
 
¬_¬ I think that scons script in the vendor lib needs just a little bit more work
still, I noticed the includes you where using was not how what few example I could find did it
 
I put the root directory to include path, not glload.
 
Will that work for all vector implementations or do there exist flat ones that don't use indirection? — Wug 4 mins ago
 
7:30 PM
And I really couldn't care less about crappy net examples.
 
I have no idea what Wug asked me.
 
can you not just sort out the vendor lib, I have no idea what I am doing with that scons script
@CatPlusPlus well, fair point :P
 
@CatPlusPlus FWIW, the [OpenGL Extensions Viewer] can come in handy for seeing what's there (realtech-vr.com/glview). At one time you could get source code, but (unfortunately) I don't think you can anymore.
 
It's for checking GPU capabilities, we're talking about using extensions from code.
And it's really just if (glSomething), I think. Or call glGetString(GL_EXTESNIONS) or something like that and parse it.
 
I got the vendor lib to sort out the includes :(
 
7:32 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh -- oops. Sorry, didn't catch that.
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13037870/need-help-making-a-telephone-directory-of-a-country-in-c-data-structures-appr
Did he seriously have to put his question in bold & all-caps?
 
@MooingDuck means he doesn't know
 
Calm down, no need to scream. — Etienne de Martel 6 secs ago
 
lol yeah I saw xD
 
it appears that the line corrupting everything is TotalUsedSpeechSize = ViosWave->DataLength(); With size_t TotalUsedSpeechSize; std::auto_ptr<SPEECH_FILE> ViosWave;, and ULONG SPEECH_FILE::DataLength() const. I'm lost.
 
7:45 PM
btw I was the one who downvoted
 
@MooingDuck Can you declare ViosWave const?
 
I downvote everything with all caps.
 
@Rapptz I almost did for the same reason
 
@Rapptz Woa. Kill it with fire!
 
Ell
7:47 PM
@MooingDuck maybe getting the length is doing something it shouldn't? going passed a null terminator. I have no clue and that could be a load of tosh but
 
@LucDanton both variables are member variables, and this is a definitely non-const member function.
 
@Ell ViosWave is valid before that line, invalid after the line. The function is ULONG DataLength() const {return (m_AudioDataLength);}
 
Ell
oh just returns a member. hmm
 
@MooingDuck The latter isn't relevant. You can still access a const data member from a non-const member function of course. The former isn't supposed to be anymore of an obstacle, unless you do make use of a T& operator=(T&);.
 
7:50 PM
wait, it's not std::auto_ptr, it's a auto_ptr. I wonder if that's relevant.
 
wat
I can't tell you the number of alarms that just went off in my mind. I'm running away from your problem.
 
@LucDanton most likely they're the same class. I'm hoping somebody has a using namespace std somewhere in some header. Otherwise I might run away from my problem.
 
Oh yeah using namespace std; in a header would be so much better!
4
 
I checked debug build, it is using std::auto_ptr, so that's not the issue.
I'm going to try a release build with no optimizations and see if I can duplicate without inlining.
 
@Rapptz Yep.
 
7:56 PM
@MooingDuck Is auto_ptr the one that gets nilled when copied/moved?
 
Fucking Access. Anyone knows how to make an autoform that will run query with [params] and display results?
Because this shitty thing asks for parameter when the form is created, and it's dumb as hell.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, that's the one you're thinking of -- its overloaded assignment is really a move.
 
@MartinJames yeah
 

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