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9:00 PM
Has boost changed to use git btw? Remember reading about svn/git arguments on their mailinglist.
 
@mantler if you install msysgit using the installer, it'll present you an option for setting how it treats line endings. Just read the summary in the installer options and go from there.
 
Ell
@sehe usually it's slower, don't know why I didn't think of it this time though :L
 
@nixeagle They can. And otherwise petty me can surely be trusted to revert spurious changes. Tell me about it. Me and my Vim slay the Visual Studio monster every day
 
@nixeagle ok. When I setup git I will do that.
 
@Ell Also, what version, 64 bit?
 
9:01 PM
@sehe It respawns daily?
 
@sehe x) Well yea, but vim has its roots in unix-land. So of course it handles line endings properly.
 
Ell
@sehe yeah 64 bit
 
@StackedCrooked yep, every day, only to be slayed by emacs!
runs
Oh bah that stupid joke is off. Was trying for some good natured ribbing, but well it is not vim that revives every day. :P
 
Cool, #include <iostream> pulls in 16K LOC.
 
Ell
yeah
and that's for each .cpp isn't it? because it's per translation unit?
 
9:03 PM
yep
which is why pre-compiled headers were invented.
 
#include <iosfwd> only gets 1453 loc.
 
C++ really could use a proper module/package system >.>.
 
@StackedCrooked You didn't know that yet?
 
Whats the diff between iostream & iosfwd?
aside from # of lines
 
@Borgleader The documentation
 
9:05 PM
@Borgleader iosfwd is just the declarations.
 
@nixeagle I prefer ccache and pimpl.
 
(hint: fwd means: forward)
 
And some forward declarations?
 
Ahhh ok
 
@StackedCrooked pimpl? ccache is one of the first things I install, but pimpl is new to me
 
9:05 PM
@sehe It's intrusive.
 
@StackedCrooked pimpl? Is that the class hack where you have a public class contain a pointer to a private implementation class?
 
@StackedCrooked what is it
 
yes
 
@nixeagle nope - maybe
 
@nixeagle Yep.
 
9:06 PM
Oh god. I can't believe I missed the clue there :)
 
Of course PIMPL idiom can help to get header weight down. It's just never a reason for me to use it
 
@StackedCrooked well that is changing the programming, not quite the same as ccache. :)
 
Ell
PIMPL is usually for cross platform?
 
What is ccache?
 
9:07 PM
@Ell That too, that's when I certainly use it
 
@sehe I believe that this is one of its primary purpose.
 
@mantler a program that caches results from the compiler.
 
@mantler google knows
 
Ell
I've always like the idea of CRTP for cross platform
 
@StackedCrooked yeah, I can see that. "It's just never a reason for me to use it"
 
9:07 PM
@sehe :) this is better than google.
 
@sehe, though to be really honest, I wish the next C++ standard would include a proper package system.
 
@mantler For whom?
 
^
 
:)
 
@nixeagle It's coming up. I bet by 2024
 
9:08 PM
Oh lawd
Don't we have C++1y coming up next?
 
@nixeagle I just use apt-get on Linux, and MacPorts on Mac.
 
@StackedCrooked no, I mean a package/module system for handling dependencies.
a replacement for #include that is more efficient.
 
@nixeagle I thought clang had something going on there. Didn't that clang guy on beyond 2012 say that in his talks?
 
Never saw those talks.
 
@nixeagle It's the modules proposal
@mantler don't recall any such thing, really (You mean, Chandler, right?)
 
9:11 PM
But obviously such a system would need to be portable, else it is useless.
 
he said that they had a tool that could identify and solve includes. Remove unused. and so on.
@sehe I'm not 100% but I think thats him. If I remember correctly he said it during the session when all speakers where sitting answering questions.
 
> Kato: Kurisu-san suggested we study different types of penises in order to create figure out the relative shape and size people would draw. We spent a week doing that before we realized that we should have been looking at drawings of penises rather than real-life pictures. (laughs) We were very embarrassed about that.
^ what a story
@mantler the Q&A sessions? GN2012 had 3 of those, IIRC
@mantler Oh yeah, he mentioned THAT. That, however, in no way, shape or form comes close to "package/module system"
It's for detecting dependencies, not handling them
 
@sehe I don't even know what you read to find this shit.
 
@sehe yes. In the Q&A sessions. He said that they where 2 weeks away to having a tool....
 
@Borgleader Quite simple:
"when we brought Hatena Flipnote to the West, we were caught off-guard by the amount of penises drawn by people" http://p4r.buzzleberry.com/?p=481
So, close to base, really @Borg
@mantler Yeah I know, and Bjarne expressing his interest in such a tool. (and many from the audience, too)
> According to a survey of Wii U users, around 20% of drawings encountered through the Miiverse include one or more penises.
 
9:17 PM
@sehe It sounded like a good tool. But I haven't seen anything about that tool since then.
I remembered watching the movie Southern Comfort the other day so I bought a bottle of the liqueur with the same name. The movie version was better...
 
I need to remember GCC compile stuff...
So I can write the External Tool command for it.
... Or maybe I could just subject myself to Eclipse.
 
some clang linux user here?
 
Do I absolutely have to use a makefile with GCC?
 
no
 
Hi people!
Need help with my C++
 
9:29 PM
I have a declaration:
Mutiple::Mutiple( int i1, int i2, string str = "None" ) : i1(i1), i2(i2), result(i1 * i2), str(str){}
But when I call:
Mutiple object1(3,5);
It says I need a string to meet the signature, why wont the default value work?
 
How do I use OpenSSL's libraries?
 
Ell
@ThePhD no, you can use whatever you want
 
@ThePhD no, gcc filename.cpp -o program.exe
but makefiles are the simplest way to do things IMHO.
 
Ell
I recommend cmake
 
@ThePhD anyways, it was broken 2-phase namelookup of MSVC again of course. Here's a fixed up version for GCC/clang: ideone.com/G9Kzfy
20 on the inside of a class... ?
Got myself a 20 !
Now _I_ Got myself a 20 !
Now _I_ Got myself a 20 !
Haven't actually reviewed much beyond that. But it sure looks like good work. Note the number of #includes at my version...
 
9:35 PM
Needs more includes.
In either case, I wouldn't never found the error.
Eclipse Projects are... really nightmarish.
 
@ThePhD It doesn't. I actually dropped <string> as well, and the 'using namespace std' now: ideone.com/G9Kzfy
 
@ThePhD you can even write a makefile that automatically compiles all *.cpp files in a directory handling all the dependencies where it computes this every time. :P
 
@ThePhD Don't. Use. Them. Use vim
 
@sehe, I'm really tempted to try vim out, does it have some compatibility layer for emacs users? x)
 
sbi
@CCInc Do look at the upper right of your browser window. Notice how it says Lounge there? See, a lounge is a place to hang out at. This is not a C++ hotline. Now look down further. See those lines in fat font telling you to look at the newbie hints before you burst into the door with a question. Well, if I'd be you, I'd do this now.
 
9:37 PM
@nixeagle Emacs does have one. Troll!
 
sbi
Good evening, everybody.
 
@sehe, yea but not as good C++11 support :P
I hear vim does really well on that front
Heck emacs breaks on >> >.> in templates
 
@nixeagle I wouldn't know anything about that. All the C++11 support is from me. It's pretty good, already
 
Man all his stuff's so neatly aligned.
One day I'm gonna be able to align stuff like that.
 
@nixeagle What!? Emacs touches your code? I don't let vim interpret any of that.
 
9:38 PM
@ThePhD your editor does that for you
 
@ThePhD Indeed. Vim, of course.
 
@sehe, indention rules for auto indenting
eg you hit tab, and it goes to the right place
 
@nixeagle not the point. he meant:
 
but emacs after a >> in a template parameter will add an extra level of indention as it is expecting the C++03 style.
 
Oh damn, the chat garbles it
 
9:39 PM
OMNOMNOMNOM Markdown.
 
@nixeagle Oh I see now what you mean
@ThePhD Nope. It's called linewrapping
 
and @sehe are you really the person doing the stuff for vim's C++11 support?
 
Alright, so back to Notepad and a regular GCC command line compilation.
Because Eclipse is just garbage.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Now I believe its primary purpose is to separate implementation from interface. If there's any influence on compile-time, then that's an appreciated side-effect. but I wouldn't warp my code for the sake of compile-times.
 
If so... I might just have to break down and hack out a C++11 major mode for emacs. :/
 
sbi
9:41 PM
@Borgleader See here.
 
Eclipse's organization of Projects and Workspaces is so.... strange.
 
@ThePhD anyways that was
:AlignCtrl g cout
:'<,'>Align ( { << };
 
@sbi Thanks, I'll read that after my LoL game
 
It's not self-contained, they want to save project-files outside of the regular directory that you're actually saving the source, and not even in a directory anywhere close to it...
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Really? Only 16k? ISTR it pulling in 250kLoC. That memory, however, is from BCC3.1, around 1993, IIRC, so things could have improved that vastly.
 
9:42 PM
... That just makes all the files computer-centric, and not portable in the slightest. Who thought that was a good idea? =l
@sehe What is this magic. o-o
 
@ThePhD just use a makefile, cmake, scons, qmake, boost's make or similar system for build systems. That can actually go into source control :P
I prefer make as it "works" out of the box for everyone.
 
Editing in the std was much more fun, though: /cout<Enter>^VNIstd::<Enter all six lines done. Now, /endl<Enter>n. and the endls are taken care of too
@ThePhD Vim
 
sbi
@ThePhD Now, I don't know the code at all, but from a first look this seems to be an instance of "needs template", as in DeduceStaticCallback(TFunc). template Bind<TFunc>(). That might only be on first look, though.
 
I have a declaration:
Mutiple::Mutiple( int i1, int i2, string str = "None" ) : i1(i1), i2(i2), result(i1 * i2), str(str){}
But when I call:
Mutiple object1(3,5);
It says I need a string to meet the signature, why wont the default value work?
 
@GiovanniDiToro No clue. Perhaps the default is not in the header file? (you showed the definition, not the declaration
 
sbi
9:45 PM
@Borgleader insert std complaint about what the youth has come to when the first thing they think of hearing "Asguard" is a Stargate race
 
may be , gonna test that now
 
@sbi loooool what should i think of?
 
and @sehe, it is stuff like this that makes it impossible for me to use visual studio. I know you are showing vim's stuff, but emacs has equivalents that I somehow expect visual studio to do, but it won't. :P
I wish an IDE would combine the best of both worlds x)
 
sbi
@Borgleader Asgard, of course!
 
@nixeagle yeah I know. To be honest, I love VS + ReSharper. But needless to say, I have ViEmu (VS2008) and VsVim (VS2010) installed.
@nixeagle That ^
 
9:46 PM
@sbi Stargate makes references to that
IIRC
 
sbi
@Borgleader Of course they'd do! And of course "Asguard" is a pun on this!
 
I had to make the default argument on declaration and delete it on the definition (I made them separate)
thanks , @Borgleader
 
sbi
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Oh, Ada. That was the first thing they taught us when I studied CS. I never thought it was a bad language, but from a C++ programmer's POV, it's really long-winded and talkative. Almost like XML.
 
@GiovanniDiToro It was me. But, anyways, glad to help :)
@sbi That's.... bad
 
Aw, man , sorry . Thats why I get some errors in my coding, I make too many mistakes like that . Haha.
 
9:50 PM
... Wat. Arguments on teh External Tools setup don't expand?
Or maybe it's just because I suck. Hm. Let's see...
 
sbi
@Xeo You underestimate me. From what I remember (hears the robot silently laughing in his corner), there were only ever two plonks that I reversed. One reluctantly after a couple of weeks on several suggestions from other regulars, and another one almost immediately. All the others are truly gone for me.
 
... Oh. I'm missing libgmp0.dll...
Cool.
 
@sbi did you actually plonk me a couple of weeks ago then or not?
 
sbi
@Cicada IOW, you are unable to keep up, huh?
@thecoshman You were the "another one".
 
Wait a second. Is he legit reading the whole transcript from since the last time he was here? o_O;
 
sbi
9:52 PM
@Cicada Please don't tell me they are not the same for you!?
 
@sbi :D I dance with death angry monkeys apes
¬_¬ screw you marks down
nope, I just suck at mark down XD
 
you're challenging the ape into a fury?
you're a daring man.
 
@ThePhD he does
 
sbi
@kbok That sounds somewhat dirty, you know.
@ThePhD Why are you asking? Did something nasty?! I'm here to find out. That'll be no playing computer games then for a week!
@TonyTheLion Yeah, of course. Like the mosquito challenging an elephant.
 
9:55 PM
..... Carefully goes back and checks everything he said, just to be super-duper sure.
 
@thecoshman any idea why the GL headers aren't there for build bot? o.O
 
I like sbi's round ups. It seems to coincide with me coming on
 
@sbi Ow.
 
@melak47 what do you mean?
 
sbi
@thecoshman What?! You come when I round up? Ugh.
 
9:56 PM
@sbi i think i agree. but the rendezvous thing is (seemed to me to be) very nice. as a thread (ada task) you just go into an accept clause with multiple parametrized possible call signatures to accept. and other task calls in and everything is synchronized at the call/call receipt point. but i never got myself an ada compiler.
 
@thecoshman sometihng in the transcript a while ago about cat saying your stuff doesn't werk on buildbot because GL/Glx.h doesn't exist
 
@sbi coming... not cumming, or cuming
 
sbi
@ThePhD No need to check. I'll ditch your nose into it sooner or later anyway.
 
@melak47 oh yeah, he had it broken, it's all grand now
 
:3
 
Xeo
9:57 PM
@sbi Interesting. Can I ask who that first one was?
 
sbi
@Xeo I forgot. :-/
 
@Xeo you got clang 3.2 handy?
 
Xeo
Nope, sorry. I'm not even home right now.
 
sbi
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Mhmm. Ada was the first programming language they taught, for only two semesters, so we never got around those parts. And your description leaves me a bit WTF'ing. (That's more because I have had a day's work done today, and am now relaxing with a bottle of beer, rather than because of you failing to explain.)
 
@Xeo ah ok, thanks anyway
 
9:59 PM
i think the keyword was when
 
sbi
@Cheersandhth.-Alf ISTR that one. Barely, though. I don't think we ever had to use it.
 
Blargh. I can't get GCC (MinGW style) to fire from Visual Studio. It keeps claiming I have no libgmp-10.dll, even though it's there and I see it. Maybe the initial directory is derping out...
 
sbi
I think I should adopt the habit of pasting interesting quotes from this room's prehistory. Here's one:
Oct 27 '10 at 22:23, by James McNellis
Why are there 11 flags in here? This must be one profane group of C++ programmers...
I like that one.
 
sbi
10:03 PM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Ugh. Did I ever mention I find Ada long-winded?
 
is a va_list the same as a vector?
is it a type at all?
 
sbi
Is an apple the same as a mountain?
 
@GiovanniDiToro Absolutely not.
There are only a few pair of things (if any at are) in C++ that is more different than va_list and std::vector.
 
sbi
 
10:11 PM
as for the scound question... ?
 
sbi
@GiovanniDiToro See here.
 
@GiovanniDiToro I don't know off the top of my head. I never use it, because it's damn near useless in C++.
 
@sbi They are.
 
sbi
@Cicada So why do you expect me to cheat?
 
@sbi Simian perfidy.
 
sbi
10:15 PM
@Cicada You do know that you're a Simian, too, don't you?
 
@sbi So for you I'm not a cicada? I'm a hoomin? That's so mainstream.
 
sbi
23 mins ago, by sbi
@Cicada Please don't tell me they are not the same for you!?
 
@sbi I'll confess: I didn't understand that sentence. So I answered randomly with a 50% chance of being right. Apparently I was not.
 
sbi
Damn insects. Does someone have one of them spray cans?
 
Ell
@sbi here, I'm sending it you through the screen, tell me when you get it
 
10:19 PM
@sbi I have a spray bottle. Let me upload it to a Dropbox.
 
sbi
@Ell Don't send it, employ it!
 
Ell
anyway Ima install linux mint now so see y'all in a bit :3
 
Har har, arthropods for the win!
 
@sbi s/employ/deploy/
unless cans have got so advanced you have to pay them to work
 
sbi
@thecoshman Employing a spray bottle is to deploy it's content, no?
 
10:23 PM
@sbi if it is, it's very obscure.
 
@Cicada shut it
 
sbi
This is incredibly beautiful and really rich on information. Only I'd need a whole wall to pin it up to in order to be able to fully enjoy it. Yeah, and the means to print it at 1,5x3m, of course.
3
 
@sbi I'm pretty sure such technology exists in Germany.
 
10:25 PM
You could use a projector and a bedsheet
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, but it's not currently accessible for me. Also, Germany cannot provide me with an empty wall in my apartment.
 
@sbi that is going to take some time to digest
 
sbi
OTOH, I once wrote software for a company that dealt in oversized ink printers.
@thecoshman "...really rich on information."
 
Well, dayum.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Pedophile!
 
10:28 PM
@Cicada Oh, I wouldn't say Stephen Harper is a pedophile. He might be Christian, but he's not a Catholic priest.
 
sbi
> Dear conference organizers. I have plenty of bags and T-shirts. I need more pants, shoes, socks and underwear. — Jens Schauder
 
@sbi Well, I guess promotional underwear would kinda defeat the purpose.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You can impress your bedmate with it.
"Oh honey, yes right th- .... HOLY SHIT YOU WENT TO THE ISOCPP MEETING?!"
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Or you can choose to not wear pants!
 
true.dat
 
10:30 PM
@Xeo Like a boss.
 
@sbi Hmmm, I have only read seven or eight of all those.
 
sbi
> @jensschauder Printed "Hack me if you can" underwear would be nice. :-) — CTF365
@EtiennedeMartel ^
 
Well, well.
 
@sbi It would only be a real challenge if it was a computerized Chastity Belt.
I actually wouldn't mind if I had a girlfriend that did that to me.
"You have to hack into my panties to get some."
I'd be proficient in stack smashing in hours.
 
You need to get out more.
 
sbi
10:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know how many I have read, for lacking the means to put this up against a wall. A very cursory glance showed two Alisdair Reynolds novels, though, and Wells' War Of The Worlds, which already adds up to almost 50% of your number.
@ThePhD That tweet was talking about social hacks. You might want to look into that, poor boy.
 
Ell
Hello all from linux mint live cd, run 2
 
Hello minty friend
 
Ell
on the first run the kernel decided to dereference a NULL pointer, how considerate of it.
 
@ThePhD Yup I used to do the same for ... many months. I sorta kinda stopped. Only reading the bits that attract my attention
 
sbi
@sehe Actually, I am not reading the whole transcript. though. I am content with reading the bits that interest me.
Ring my bell and I'll pavlov to love you, baby.
 
10:38 PM
@sbi I used to. Read it all. Srsly. I stopped doing that, I think, maybe around.... - Wait is it that long already? Since january. Oooh. I spent more of my life here than realized
 
Ell
I hate choosing partitions to format >.< scares the hell out of me!
 
@Ell Wut
 
@Ell formatted a data filled 200GB partition once instead of the 20GB one I wanted to :p
 
Ell
@sehe I tried to configure multiple monitors, got a black screen with a load of errors, top being something in the kernel dereferencing a NULL pointer o.O
@melak47 ouch :P
 
sbi
@sehe You saw this? Because I can actually remember that. (Stop giggling, robot!)
 
10:39 PM
@Ell it wasn't my data, so :p
 
Ell
@melak47 even worse!
 
that's what you get when you make me format your box when I'm tired as hell.
 
sbi
Oh, twitter is good today:
 
^people trains
 
sbi
10:41 PM
> It bugs me when people say "Live every day as if it were your last." I want to ask them when they do laundry. — William Pietri
 
YOLO!
 
@sehe Hats off you guys. I'd never have the patience to get that far.
 
Ell
I wouldn't know what to use a twitter for, really
 
@Pubby what's going on there
 
Ell
@sehe not entirely sure how it knew :L
 
sbi
10:43 PM
Haha!
> Heard argument: only men can be bishops since all the apostles were men. By that rationale only JEWS should be bishops. Good luck with that. — Mitch Benn
3
 
@sbi Ok, I stopped giggling now.
 
@melak47 Japanese comiccon
 
Ell
brb restartinggg
 
where are the comics
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's one long piece of wire this command had to travel.
 
10:44 PM
@sbi Nope
@Ell That's not too hard once you're in-kernel
 
sbi
@sehe What do you mean, "nope"? Of course I do!
 
oh it's one of those nights for you
@sbi you're likely in the same room, I wager?
 
sbi
@sehe It's always one of those nights for me.
@sehe Same city, different rooms.
 
Sweeeeet, wildcards are invalid arguments.
I must be doing something wrong...
 
Ok, then the amount of wire-bandwidth will not be considered a waste. We'll keep an eye on it, though
@ThePhD Where? GNU tar?
 
sbi
10:47 PM
Really, is that me or is twitter exceptionally funny tonight?
> This afternoon meltdown was brought to you by holiday stress and family drama... We now return to our regularly scheduled program... Boobs. — Heidi
 
"C:\Program Files\MinGW\bin\c++.exe" *.cpp -std=c++0x -Wall -pedantic -Wextra -O2 -Weffc++ -fwhole-program
It fails at *.cpp, saying it's an invalid argument.
 
sbi
Hey, here's one for @Tony:
 
@sbi It is you.
 
Ell
BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at (null)
huh.
 
sbi
> Nothing says “boring” quite like stinklangweilig. — That Girl in Glasses
 
10:50 PM
@sehe Well, I jumped outside of Visual Studio to do it
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes <pavloving> It's you. It's you. It's always you. I tell you all the time... </pavloving>
 
And it works (works as in, it blows up with errors, but at least it's actually reaching the files)
 
sbi
> Pretty sure a close-up of a vagina just followed me. #WhatTheHolyFuckAimee Mann
5
WTF? Indeed.
 
o_O;
Twitter seems... especially disturbing.
 
sbi
Well, I got to the top of my twitter timeline now. And just in time, too, or I would have completely overtaken the starboard.
 
Ell
10:54 PM
where do all of your keep your pubkeys? and do you have more than one?
 
@ThePhD Oh, that's just windows for you. I suggest cygwin for anything sane
 
sbi
I don't have no pubic key.
 
You stupid form. No, I was not born in the NaN.NaN.NaN.
 
@sbi I posted that on FB.
for the giggles
 
sbi
Robots aren't born at all. They are manufactured.
 
10:56 PM
@sbi all my keys are private, cause I don't want anyone entering my flat.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yeah, you would. Presumably you're feeling stinklangweilig.
 
@TonyTheLion Not even horny hot chicks?
 
@sbi can't help but think that makes sense: smell/scent trails on a moving object, right?
Oh god. Cannot unthink
 
@sbi I'm always stinklangweilig
I'm a lion, it's my job.
 
We know
 
10:58 PM
than why da fuck do you mention it?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Wait. "Ich bin stinklangweilig" is a completely different statement than "Mir ist stinklangweilig". You do know that, don't you?
 
@sbi lol yes.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Um. I think it was you who mentioned it. Just saying.
 

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