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10:04 AM
Yeah, I'm just going to assume the situation was spurious.
 
@LucDanton Cough. You mean, a compiler bug?
 
Would be hard to tell.
@sehe Here's the class definition of optional<T> and here is the extended interface. As a warning the latter contains a lot of boring operator overloads.
I'm mostly curious if you'd feel confident enough in using optional<T> from just the code alone.
Come to think of it I can make optional(T); self-documenting by changing it to template<typename U = T, Requires<MoveConstructible<U>>...> optional(T);. Doesn't seem worth it.
Going to grab a bite.
 
Why would you set a pointer to 0ULL instead of just 0?
 
"just a style" would be my guess
 
no, it has meaning
 
10:19 AM
hey guys
Is that posible to buid a tree from data
Preorder: F A E K C D H G B
 
of course it is possible to build a tree from a set of values. Do you have any constraints on what the tree should look like?
 
NO
:/
let me paste the whole Q :P
(i) A binary tree T has 9 nodes. The inorder and
preorder traversals yield the following sequences
of nodes :
Inorder: E A C K I- H D B G
Preorder: F A E K C D H G B
Draw the tree.
(b)
 
@TonyTheLion 0ULL ?
 
oops yes :D
 
Use nullptr dammit.
Also don't use pointers.
 
10:23 AM
@TonyTheLion 0ull :)
 
@CatPlusPlus You've got to decide. You nullptr or not ?
 
@DextOr Homework?
 
is any body Drawing My F##$#% tree
 
No.
F# room is somewhere else.
 
@sehe Quetion from previous year exam paper
 
10:26 AM
@DextOr why would we?
 
@sehe that doesn't answer my question. damnit
@DextOr you are
 
b'coz you are experts
 
@TonyTheLion sounds like he isn't
 
@jalf fail
 
@DextOr Even if we are, that doesn't mean we automatically draw any tree we can get near, does it?
 
10:27 AM
OH god WHY
oH PLEASE after all this belongs to data structure in C and you are here to help
 
@DextOr no
we are here to slack off
 
:'D please :C
 
this room has nothing to do with C, nothing to do with data structures, and nothing to do with helping.
 
Get out and come back after doing some reality and attitude checks.
 
10:28 AM
seeing it's Friday, I'm definitely running out of fucks to give.
so no tree drawing for me
 
Kingdom for /kick
 
plonk
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: We are not here to help. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
if you would like help in understanding how to solve your homework, then ask a question on SO describing what you are trying to do, and exactly which step of it you are having trouble with
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: We are not here to help. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [get-out]
 
10:29 AM
this ^
 
Note that this is not the same as going to the C++ chat room and just dumping the assignment verbatim, and expecting it to be solved for you
 

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Ahahaha what
 
How do you notify the consumer thread of a lockless queue that a new item is available? Or should it use polling?
 
This is where people willing to help with "C tree" problems are.
 
10:32 AM
You have too much time on your hands.
 
@StackedCrooked It is currently blocked on the pop() function?
 
If you are able to notify the consumer, then it implies that the consumer is waiting for data, and then it isn't lockfree, is it?
 
;D ok and its a different thing that any of you DON"T KNOW HOW TO DO IT ahahahahahahah
 
@jalf Exactly.
 
@DextOr the difference between you and me is that I don't need to remember the difference between in-order and pre-order tree traversal
 
10:33 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm using TBB concurrent_queue. It does not provide a blocking pop method.
 
so you are exactly right. I don't know how to do it. I used to, but I forgot years ago. :)
 
@StackedCrooked Exactly.
 
:D
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
10:34 AM
@StackedCrooked it's not supposed to be blocking. That's the point in lockless data structures
 
Where do you find all these ugly amusing animated internet pictures ?
 
Moderator Moderator see what is happening
 
in other words, yes, you would use polling of sorts
the consumer should just take what data is available when it is ready to process data
 
SA emoticons.
 
people uploading creepy Frogs over here :>
 
10:35 AM
@jalf I want to avoid blocking only at the producer side.
 
Awful indeed
 
They're awesome.
So expressive.
 
@DextOr shouldn't you be working on your homework?
 
Awesomely awful.
 
@jalf just give me an idea like which shud ne Left, Right or Node
 
10:36 AM
Also ahahaa he thinks that saying "you don't want to help because you don't know how" will work.
How's primary school doin?
 
;D trick failed
 
@DextOr look, instead of wasting 20 minutes bothering us for a bad answer, why don't you spend three minutes writing a question on SO which gives you a good answer?
 
Sooo
 
@jalf even then I will be kicked for answering homework questions :P
 
10:38 AM
@DextOr not if you clearly state what you have tried and where you got stuck
 
In order to accommodate even more my hypothetical windows users, I'd like to provide a minimal boost package with only the required libraries for my project. Is this easily doable ? Is this dumb ?
 
Better search on google ,....
 
@DextOr no, homework questions are allowed on SO
 
@DextOr Not if they are properly phrased like a request for help, and not like a demand for work.
 
although the [homework] tag is not
 
10:39 AM
I only know how to read nods from trees ......
 
@kbok Users of what?
 
@CatPlusPlus Of Visual Studio
 
@DextOr if you think your behavior would get you kicked from SO, why do you think the same behavior is ok here?
 
I usually just bundle entire Boost.
If I'm doing self-contained build.
 
10:40 AM
if your assumption is correct, then maybe, just maybe, the problem lies with your behavior, rather than with SO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks !
 
It's what, 50MB.
 
bye thx for waiting time :O :)
 
Also you can expect developers to know how to install a freakin' library.
 
Yeah, but it's slow to unzip.
 
10:41 AM
wat
 
Thank C++ for that.
It's even slower to copy.
Millions of tiny files.
Fucking headers.
 
I want minimal effort for my only windows user, which is, future me
 
Minimal effort for you is to do nothing, i.e. use whole Boost. Problem solved.
 
Future me is suck a lazy fuck he won't contribute if setting up is even a tiny bit of effort
 
Minimal effort is actually using Linux and cross-compiling to Windows.
 
10:43 AM
You must live in a interesting parallel universe to think that "miminal effort == cross-compiling"
 
@CatPlusPlus I much prefer being expected to install a library than being expected to use a bundled copy of a library
 
Compared to setting up a coherent development environment on Windows? Yes, it's less effort.
I've been doing it for years, I know.
@jalf Eh, self-contained builds on Windows are the only sane option.
 
@LucDanton true
 
Wotta moron. I noticed he left. Lemme retract my plinks
 
@CatPlusPlus says the person who refuses to build on windows ;)
 
10:49 AM
I am building on Windows.
That's why I'm saying using Linux is actually easier.
 
ah, I misunderstood you then :)
 
I thought you were building to Windows ?
 
I said:
7 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Minimal effort is actually using Linux and cross-compiling to Windows.
Please do tell me where it says "I use Linux".
 
@CatPlusPlus here perhaps?
 
@thecoshman "setting up a development environment on Windows"
 
10:51 AM
ahh
 
but anyway, if I'm using your library, I expect it to play well with the other libraries that I use, which means it shouldn't come with custom bundled dependencies so I end up with two boosts. If I'm building your application, then you can make it self-contained if you like, although I'd generally prefer that it was not self-contained, and instead is simply easy to build and doesn't have any crazy dependencies
 
So, you don't actually cross-compile ?
 
@CatPlusPlus Which part of "I misunderstood you then" is causing you difficulties?
See, I can be a passive-aggressive jerk too
2
yay for us
 
@jalf would you say that extends to not having the have a build system configured in a certain way?
 
what is all this jerking going on here??!!
go to circlejerk
 
10:52 AM
@thecoshman er, what does it mean to "have a build system configured a certain way"?
isn't every build system always configured a certain way?
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ I see you have extended your script
 
@jalf No. Some are configured in other ways.
 
@jalf I'm thinking about writing a script to fetch libraries automagically for users who don't have the required dependencies. The other can just make waf point to the appropriate path. Since the script downloads, I wanted to cull the boost package.
 
@jalf Well, yes, I was referring to applications.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right, I forgot about those
 
10:53 AM
@jalf having to tell it to only build certain folders for certain platforms and setting certain PPM for platforms
 
@thecoshman I have no script
 
@thecoshman Are you talking about Kyrostat?
 
C++ libraries are best left as header-only unless compiling is absolutely necessary.
 
there really should be a Cat Plus Plus language
 
My compilation times :<
 
10:54 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes partialy, but mostly in general
 
@jalf So: I absolutely agree. But I thought fetching and locally-installing these dependencies, npm-style, would be nice.
 
Fuck your compilation times if I don't have to suffer through build systems.
 
@thecoshman I would expect the build system to handle that. If I run make, I would like it to build whatever makes sense for the platform I am on
 
What C++ needs is a common dependency resolver/library respository/build system.
Of course this will never happen.
 
@jalf As if that was its job! How daring of you to expect that!
 
10:55 AM
It's too modern.
 
@kbok true, but I'd probably rather have it report a list of these dependencies, which I could then run your magic npm tool to fetch, or grab in other ways if I prefer
 
@jalf I meant more like, if you have platform specific files, you can't compile them for all platforms, unless they do some form of #ifdef internally
 
@thecoshman yeah but again, the code and the build system should take care of that
 
@jalf Well, there's only fip and boost so I thought I'd just document it, you know
It's hardly a "list" :)
 
@TonyTheLion You can use Haskell.
 
10:57 AM
@CatPlusPlus using Haskell = Cat Plus Plus
 
Hat Plus Plus
 
I don't play TF2.
 
I bought Black Ops II the other day, and I haven't played it yet
wonder why I even bought it?!!!
 
I bought FFXIII2 one year ago and I still haven't opened the package. No time :/
 
11:00 AM
I'm such a busy man.
 
@TonyTheLion Because it is cheap?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Erm. No. It was like 50 something Euro
 
Oh, not even that?
You suck.
 
I bought the Xbox version
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks for reminding me of what I really do. :P
What The Lion does? Suck.
whistles
 
@TonyTheLion what do you #define Cat or Plus as, to make that work?
 
11:04 AM
> ""idiotic" is not an offensive word"
> Your suggestion that idiotic isn't offensive word is idiotic and ignorant. No offense though. I'm not calling you idiotic just your suggestion.
Arthur Tchaikovsky at his finest.
 
@Griwes That happened?
 
@sehe whoever said anything about working??!
 
Whoever thinks there are offensive words is an idiot.
You're welcome.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Latest post in "Failure of iostreams"
 
11:06 AM
Is that the madman who's going berserk on the committee's mailing list ?
 
lol
madmen on the Internet, who'd have thought?!
 
@TonyTheLion It's on torrents.
 
You're using too much punctuation.
And not enough capital letters!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh? Whatever, torrents are still connected to the Interwebs
 
11:08 AM
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I should chat more, I'm falling down in the ranking.
 
Yes, chat more
 
Okay, Friday, classes are over. Time to do something constructive.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, American TV series.
@CatPlusPlus like what?
 
Fixing Buildbot config
 
11:11 AM
crap diddly doo
 
ohai puppy
 
completely rushed myself up this morning and such things to visit WGP, then had to re-arrange anyway for much later
coulda slept in
oh well
 
@thecoshman Gimme admin on the BB team.
 
Wow, BCP produces such fat archives
 
What archives?
 
11:17 AM
I mean the output library
I really don't know how to call that.
 
Well, every Boost library is still millions of tiny files.
And they use each other.
So it doesn't help that much.
I had bcp copy over files that weren't Boost at all (yes, sure, I want to bundle pthread.h thank you very much for nothing)
 
Yeah, but there's a lot of unneeded dependencies (I know because I did it manually also, to compare), such as MPL and bind and smart_ptr and their own dependencies
 
in C#, 23 hours ago, by sehe
@Sean muhahaha. I've got work to do :)
2 hours ago, by sehe
@thecoshman sorry, at work. It would be regarded (note: not 'rewarded') as offensive
 
All this for a miserable dynamic_bitset
 
@CatPlusPlus I thought you had it?
 
11:19 AM
@kbok depends on how you run it. Name a lib -> fat archive. Name a single header, -> slim archive
 
You could use vector<bool>
@thecoshman Nein.
 
I want to do fork purge.
 
@CatPlusPlus why?
 
@CatPlusPlus It's a non-problem. I don't really give a fuck, I'm just experimenting.
 
11:20 AM
@sehe He's using bcp.
 
@CatPlusPlus Derp:
 
good morning €peans
 
@thecoshman For clarity.
 
1 min ago, by sehe
@kbok depends on how you run it. Name a lib -> fat archive. Name a single header, -> slim archive
@kbok lol
 
The idea is to run bcp over your sources to copy over what's actually used.
You don't really name libraries or single headers with that.
It's just maintenance hassle if you ask me.
 
11:22 AM
Some people who run a totalitarian country do that to restrict boost libraries use (such as Google)
 
I don't ever want a C++ job.
It's miserable out there.
 
I think there's good ones if you know how to search and do it long enough
 
Bah, I don't really know what to do with those forks. Are we opening this project or not?
 
@CatPlusPlus miserable? I am electrical engineer and in my job they paid me only 170$/month
 
11:26 AM
Sucks to be you.
I'm not really talking about money.
 
@AlbertoBonsanto Is that the standard where you live ?
 
Nope for an engineer
 
Well, change then ?
 
@kbok I am studying Comp engineer now, here in my country the unemployment is very high
 
Change countries. Make your own job.
 
11:28 AM
Damn. The problem with LINQ and lazy evaluation is that people know only the 5% subset of Linq.
 
@kbok wtf
 
@Chris aligned[0].ElementAt(5)? Has the enormous benefit that it won't have to do more than 5 BinarySearch calls, as it won't even evaluate any of the other result lists, and none of the positions in new list1 (aligned[0]) beyond index 5. See http://ideone.com/AghZ0ksehe 2 mins ago
 
@CatPlusPlus Lazier said than done
 
Lazy evaluation is cool.
 
@CatPlusPlus I liek the change country idea, but i live in a communist state :)
 
11:30 AM
@AlbertoBonsanto Well that sucks. Move abroad perhaps ? If that's possible, that is.
 
@kbok Yeah, I finally finished this recursive homework, i don't liek recursivity much
 
@thecoshman Push something.
Or nevermind, I can force from here.
 
@CatPlusPlus I pushed a key on my keyboard. Will that do?
 
I pushed an old woman on the street. HTH
 
It workses.
 
11:36 AM
I'm glad to lend a hand.
 
Now think about the engine.
 
@cat you still after rights?
or you could just the forks to kill
 
I'm not sure what to do. Owners of most forks are not in the team
I've removed them from Buildbot config. vOv
Also you suck
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't see the problem with forks on BB
@CatPlusPlus vOv
worked on my machine :P
and Melak's
 
lol, it still does not build.
 
11:39 AM
Maybe I forgot about something else.
Think about the engine anyway, writing this from scratch makes no sense and will never work.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am so sorry for having a job
@CatPlusPlus depends what the goal of this is
 
A game?
Unless no, then whatever.
 
@CatPlusPlus I blame you, you configured buildbot wrong
 
@sbi Well I didn't know, I'm not really following what's happening in here you know ~
 
so funny someone voted me negatively and I dont' know why
 
11:42 AM
That's kind of the idea behind anonymous voting
 
@sbi I was just referring to your avatar, not your actual body. (Unless they're the very same?)
 
bah... I would like to know at least why...
 
Fuck, I forgot to make a script to collect updates on the server.
Now it will probably all break.
 
Also, the Valve store is selling mini turrets and companion cube cushion. Must. Resist.
 
Oh the amount of bullshit I'm fed here, I so tired of it. One week left...
 
11:44 AM
@Cicada or not
 
#define MXO_pSUPER(p,n) (*(MXO_OBJECT*)(((char*)(p)) + (n+1)*sizeof(void*)))
 
@kbok You're leaving Coquillage Industry?
 
@kbok Holy molly.
 
@Cicada Yeah. One week left.
 
SUPER
 
11:45 AM
Woohoo! So they're that bad at C++ or what
 
I'm moving to a Fancy Startupâ„¢
 
@cat ¬_¬ eta till I can read the forum's afain?
 
@thecoshman Hm?
Ahahaha it broke
 
SQL server died
 
Told you.
 
11:46 AM
@Cicada what what what ??
 
¬_¬ please tell me you just need to restore your back ups
 
SQL died, and the funeral?
 
@kbok Murex a la réputation d'être la meilleure entreprise en C++, et tu dis qu'ils sont mauvais ? D: safépeure
 
pg_ctl: could not start server
 
@Cicada ohmygod who the fuck told you that. Murex is the best at making money. Period.
 
11:47 AM
There's nothing wrong with data
 
@kbok Guess who?
 
@Cicada Your stringstream gal ?
 
Yes :D
 
You know, I think that's what is deeply wrong is this company. What made me suffer so much, and made me leave, and what makes so code so shitty. There are so many people here who think they are good, where, in fact, they suck tremendously.
 
11:49 AM
Welcome to software development industry.
Please enjoy your stay.
 
What else would you expect from C++ software developers anyway.
 
Try not to claw your eyes out with a fork.
3
 
There are exceptions though, there's people who think they are good and who don't actually suck
 
@CatPlusPlus wouldn't you fork your eyes out?
 
Are there people who think they suck and are actually good?
 
11:51 AM
@Cicada I don't think so.
 
and people who suck...
 
@Cicada Loads of them.
 
@thecoshman lel
 
@kbok Tell them that?
@kbok Unlike the puppy.
 
@cicada, i know a genius and he thinks he is stupid, but it is different on me I think and I am stupid :|
 
11:51 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Who listens to the leaving guy anyway
You know, some guys designed a language, which sucks, and then management forced whole teams to write the code in this custom language
 
@kbok Well, I did not mean for you to tell them "you suck". I meant for you to make them realize that. I understand that it is probably impossible to do so in a week, and you don't care much anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's just outright mean
 
@CatPlusPlus dat sarcasm.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes this :)
 
@thecoshman It is? Good!
 
11:53 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you Portuguese living in Germany?
 
I'm definitely stupid.
8
 
Out for lunch. See ya
 
Quite possibly brain-damaged.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes glad you're happy
@CatPlusPlus I don't think we could get you to sit through a test long enough to find out
 
@thecoshman (FWIW, me and the puppy, we constantly do that back and forth in the knowledge that we don't really mean it)
 
11:54 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes... don't mean it at all...
 
@AlbertoBonsanto Yes.
 
Myself I don't say anything because I would mean it.
 
@thecoshman I am sure the puppy would complain (you know he would, and you know it would not be pretty, right?) if he was truly pissed off by this.
It's just some silly friendly pissing contest.
 
did you know that puppies actually produce a truly miniscule amount of piss?
it's ridiculous
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I doubt it, he would probably just feck of an sulk... if he was to moan about it here though, I wouldn't bother sitting around
why hello
lunch
 
11:59 AM
she goes like three days, and then pisses for like, one second and done
and I'm like, wtf, that's it?
 
You wanted her to piss more?
 
That doesn't sound right. Do you have like a closet or basement full of shoes? You might want to check there.
 

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