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10:00 PM
@ThePhD It was either that or Stella.
 
Oh. Carry on.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Since I have no idea which is which with co(ntra)variance, I'll just agree if you mean that R_source must be convertible to R_target and Args_target... must be convertible to Args_source....
 
That does sound right.
 
@Pubby That's a lot of fish.
 
Xeo
10:01 PM
@Pubby That looks fishy.
 
@Xeo Joining you.
 
I wonder how many of them are serious plonks
 
All of them? Can you strikethrough text in chat.
 
Xeo
In case of the ape? Prob 90%
 
std::function::target<_Fty>() doesn't return _Fty, it returns a pointer to _Fty.
 
Xeo
10:02 PM
---cut--- == cut
 
thanks
in reddit it's ~~~
 
Which is why this thing was throwing so many errors.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Yes, it returns a pointer to whatever is stored. In case of a function pointer, it's a pointer-to-function-pointer.
 
But, It hink I got it working now.
 
std::function::target is a dumb function
I have no idea why it's in the Standard
 
10:04 PM
If it's returning a function pointer I don't see why it returns a pointer of what's supposed to be a function pointer.
 
Posting a link to a chat search includes that post in the search results
 
I mean, then you can just fill that function pointer's pointer with garbage data if you wanted to.
 
Xeo
@Pubby Obviously.
 
@Xeo You can save money by buying unmixed nuts and mixing them yourself
 
Xeo
Wait, what?
(I have a vague idea where you were going with that, but please tell me anyways.)
 
10:07 PM
Now to see if I can make this dance with Member functions.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Cool - now have fun ripping that out again and replacing it with a token system. :)
 
@Xeo I will make it work without tokens!!! I WILL NEVER DIIIIIEE!
@Xeo Also, that anime you mentioned was Nanoha? ... Nano.... N...
.... What was it called again?
 
Xeo
Although myanimelist.net/anime/4985/… may get you hooked faster.
It's basically a remake of the first season with more action and awesomeness.
 
Card Captor Sakura on Crack?
 
Xeo
Err... nah.
 
10:12 PM
How in the world am I the "Top 20%" for and on Careers 2.0?
Considering I don't use either technologies on a regular basis
 
Xeo
It's not that hard with ~80% of users being leechers.
 
I feel like I'm in that category, being in the chat and not contributing good answers to SO. :c
 
I guess, but I've only answered like 13 questions in and my top 4 answers have nothing to do with Java. lol.
 
Is careers interesting? I got an invite but didn't create a profile...
 
@Cicada It's certainly interesting in the sense it's invite-only.
I just created a profile today, so I can't speak much more to it.
(Also, I'm not interested in a job right now (still a student))
 
10:19 PM
Hmmm. I'm a bit reluctant about posting my info on the web...
 
Xeo
Hm, I wonder if listening to japanese vocabulary in my sleep is going to help me finally get started on remembering it.
 
@Xeo Just have it on all the time.
 
@Xeo desudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesudesu
 
You don't have to fill it out. Instead, use it to see what tags you are in top 10%.
 
@Cicada You can set it to private. That's actually one of the first things it asks you when you create it. (i.e. Looking for a job vs. Not looking, but willing to be contacted vs. Not looking and don't contact me at all)
 
10:20 PM
@Cicada Omelet Du Fromage?
 
Xeo
@Cicada Anything else you know? :P
 
@Xeo bakabakabakabakabakabakabakabakabakabakabakabakabakabaka
 
Xeo
heh
 
I took 1 year of japanese classes actually
 
Xeo
Oh, cool.
 
10:21 PM
I did a Semester of it.
And then I decided I'd go solo.
 
I can say a few basic things and read stuff (I'm slowly forgetting, though)
 
On the bright side, my capacity to translate Hiragana and katakana to Romaji is freakin' superb.
 
Now I'm learning Korean
 
On the down side, I fuckin' suck at actually understanding anything.
It's mostly because I made a game out of everything.
At least, out of the Hiragana and Katakana.
 
I'm curious as to why people want to learn Japanese. Do you intend to live in Japan or something?
 
10:23 PM
@Xeo I'm not sure if that actually helps. I believe that using the language the most you can does, however. (Aka listening to jp music, watching jp series, turning your os to jp and overall talking jp)
 
@Pubby The funny thing is that it says I'm in the top 10% for , even though that's only because of the poor souls who tag and in the same question.
 
@Xeo you should chat it up with @Rapptz
He's an expert.
 
@ThePhD It's "au", not "du".
 
@EtiennedeMartel Reference to Dexter's Laboratory.
 
I actually don't want to take up a job. I would be terrible at it.
 
10:23 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It's also omelette, but I don't bother correcting the poor meme.
@ThePhD No shit sherlock
 
@ThePhD I know. Still doesn't make it acceptable.
 
Xeo
@Pubby I want to experience all the content that doesn't get translated. :)
 
It makes it totally acceptable!
 
@Cicada Homme laitte.
 
@Xeo What kind of content :) you sick bastard :)
 
Xeo
10:24 PM
Light Novels, Manga, Visual novels.
 
@Insilico I'm in the top percent for and . My mother would be proud.
If it doesn't get translated then it probably sucks.
 
Xeo
Eh, no.
There are only so many translators that are willing to translate stuff.
 
Hey Xeo, tell me if this snaps in half for you: dl.dropbox.com/u/17644642/Japanese%20Kanji.swf
Like, explodes on load.
 
Light novels rarely get translations, actually.
 
TIL that I forgot everything I knew about the French language
 
10:28 PM
@melak47 La merde a lieu.
 
@melak47 What the hell what happened to your icon.
 
@ThePhD it changed? :p
 
It's so unfamiliar. :c
Everyone's changing on me.
I'm guessing it doesn't explode....
I wonder if it actually... works, then?
Maybe it's just me, though... I'm really not sure.
 
"the decimal number 92 is spoken in English as ninety-two, in German and Dutch as two and ninety and in French as eighty-twelve (or, to be precise, as four-twenties twelve)"

"four-twenties twelve" ...wat, whyyy
 
About the only thing that I want to read but can't because I cannot read Japanese and there's no adequate translation is Spice and Wolf.
 
Xeo
10:30 PM
@ThePhD Doesn't explode.
 
@Xeo No.
 
Holy shit is actually works man Flash is fantastic.
 
@melak47 Depends. Belgium and Switzerland say ninety-two, actually.
 
I give it a relative directory to load a file on my computer and it just works right out of the box inside Dropbox.
I don't know how it's managing that but hell I won't argue.
 
@Cicada I was more puzzled by the French way of saying it
 
10:31 PM
@Xeo They learn English that way in France. Well, not really, but it's the same concept. I guess it speaks for itself...
 
@melak47 It's weird. I agree.
 
@melak47 Quatre vingt douze.
 
@EtiennedeMartel wut
 
French people have 12 fingers
 
@LucDanton I'm just fooling.
 
10:32 PM
@EtiennedeMartel 4 20 12....right
 
@melak47 Multiplcation-oriented? I dunno.
 
Reminds me of my Belgian colleague who's trying really hard to say "soixante-dix" instead of "septante".
 
@melak47 Belgium and Switzerland say "Nonante deux" (which is way more logical imo)
 
@Pubby Twenty, actually. The way numbers are is reportedly a remnant of a base 20 counting system.
 
Well, it's a multiple of 10, so it's still better than the imperial system.
 
10:33 PM
I'm not thrilled about the German two-ninety either, but I grew up with that
 
@LucDanton I wrote my previous message in base eighteen.
 
3 mins ago, by ThePhD
Holy shit is actually works man Flash is fantastic.
[sic]
 
Goddamnit, typo.
Curse you, melak. Curse yooou!
 
@Cicada ninety ten?
 
Thinking of dix.
 
10:35 PM
I was more thinking along the lines of "Flash is fantastic [sic]", didn't even notice any typos
 
¬_¬
 
@ThePhD Where do you get this non-shitty version of Flash you allude to?
 
@Insilico dreams
 
Those words don't sound as similar as they look written down btw. 'x' is silent in deux.
 
@thecoshman I don't think Windows 7 can run brain-based software.
 
10:36 PM
@Insilico I dunno, but when people click on my Dropbox linked Flash, that loads a JapaneseDictionary.dict off the harddrive, it seems to work and load the file despite it not being explicitly download to somebody's cache for Flash to load it with.
 
@Insilico typical, yet another reason why it sucks
@LucDanton ooh, 92 :P I can guess German too
 
@ThePhD wait, what? are you sure the dict isn't in your dropbox as well? how the hell is flash running on someone's computer supposed to load it from your hard drive?
 
@melak47 That's what's got me all confused.
 
@ThePhD You do realize that the DropBox folder looks just like another folder on the computer, no?
As in everything you can do in the Windows shell it works just fine in said dropbox folder.
Actually it might not be the Windows shell, I don't know exactly what goes on under the covers.
 
@Insilico I meant I could send someone the public dropbox link and Flash wouldn't explode / error, and I could open it up from the Dropbox link and ti wouldn't explode / error in my browser. That's what I'm getting at.
OH NOPE THERE IT GOES IT EXPLODES.
Alright for a second I thought Flash was all magical and shit.
 
10:40 PM
@ThePhD Well, it's definitely shit. And magical in just how terrible it is sometimes.
 
@Insilico this
 
On the bright side, 36 Hiragana after having not studying for like a month.
 
Hirgana?
 
Hiragana, sorry.
 
still not ringing any bells
 
10:42 PM
Um.
Japanese Base Characters
 
did you mean Hiigara?
 
For writing out words and such in the Japanese Language.
 
oh.
 
is a Japanese syllabary, one basic component of the Japanese writing system, along with katakana, kanji, and in some cases the Latin-script alphabet (referred to in Japanese as romaji). Hiragana and katakana are both kana systems; they have corresponding character sets in which each kana, or character, represents one mora (one sound in the Japanese language). Each kana is either a vowel such as "a" (hiragana ); a consonant followed by a vowel such as "ka" (hiragana ); or "n" (hiragana ), a nasal sonorant which, depending on the context, sounds either like English m, n, or ng (), or l...
 
Xeo
ひらがな
 
10:42 PM
Hiragana is considered native, and I believe was invented by Women
 
Xeo
^ that stuff
 
Squints.
a ... something .... n something FUCK I SUCK AT THIS
 
Xeo
What is the most likely word to choose when showing Hiragana?
 
@ThePhD wut?
Never heard of that before.
 
@Mysticial Hencewhy the 'I believe' at the start.
 
10:45 PM
I believe the sky is green.
 
Hiragana is usually written for native words or for non-imported words. Katakana is usually reserved for words not originally in the Japanese Language and imported from other languages.
 
Hiragana? I thought they made motor boats or some shit
 
@Cicada I am sure it appears it is some where
 
@Cicada no no, space ships
 
@Mysticial As far as the 'invented by women', I think I had mistaken that just because to teach myself the difference I had associated Hiragana with women because it was the curvier of the two Character Sets for Japanese.
 
10:48 PM
@melak47 Hoooomeworld.
 
Katakana's letters are straighter, stiffer.
 
user1182183
@melak47 yay homeworld, nice graphics, I can't achive such nice settings even on a 1080p HD TV
 
user1182183
how do u get such nice quiality? ;o
 
not my screenshot :p
 
Well, Homeworld 2 does look nicer than the first one.
 
Ell
11:05 PM
And kanji is for kids, right?
 
Greetings! Got me a gold badge!
Everybody doing ok today?
 
Xeo
@Ell Err, no.
 
@Chimera I am proud of you
 
@Pubby LOL. It's no biggie... Just 100 consecutive days on stackoverflow..
But I'm most happy with my new purchase.
 
@Ell Kanji is the baddest mother fucker of them all, and I actually think it's grossly antiquated.
 
Xeo
11:13 PM
If they'd drop Kanji, Japanese would be that much easier to learn.
But it would also put a considerable dent in their pun-culture.
 
Ahhh, true! There's hundreds of puns using Kanji.
 
Xeo
Also the names
 
I guess it adds an element of culture and richness to it, and a lot of names are Kanji, but.... Mrrrgh.
Just having a committee recreate Kanji for various nouns... it feels like its going to become a veritable Chinese soon. @___@
 
Xeo
And kanji convey information fast.
 
Ell
Right, kanji are the more chinesey ones?
 
11:19 PM
Is this too localized?
 
plz, is this correct? paste.ubuntu.com/1380758
 
can you default a template parameter pack?
like typename... args = int?
 
Ell
@rogcg the access modifiers (public/priavte) need to be in a class or strict
 
Xeo
@Ell Yes, they are the original Chinese characters.
@DeadMG Nope.
 
@Ell they are inside a class
let me post the entire code
 
11:21 PM
@Xeo balls.
if I have a parameter pack, can I default that?
 
Xeo
If we get the pack typedef proposal, class... Stuff = <int> would work.
Anyways, you can just do class Arg = int, class... Args
 
not in this situation
 
Symbol.h http://paste.ubuntu.com/1380764/
Symbol.cpp http://paste.ubuntu.com/1380765/

is it correct?
 
Xeo
Why not?
 
because it's a constructor.
and I need to take all the arguments as one single pack.
 
Xeo
11:23 PM
Why?
 
because otherwise it's going to be rather awkward to construct a member from it, no?
 
Xeo
Eh.
 
and secondly, I'm proposing named arguments, so if you had two separate parameters, they would have to have two different names.
 
Are there any standard function objects for ++ and --?
I don't think std::next will work on integers.
 
no
oh well
 
Xeo
11:25 PM
@Pubby Sure will.
 
even if you can't take a direct parameter pack if you want it to be defaulted, the named arguments are still worth it
 
@Xeo iterator traits is specialized for integers? (I'll test std::next now)
 
Xeo
@Pubby std::next and std::advance aren't specified in terms of iterator_traits, IIRC.
 
Actually wait, next isn't what I would need :S
 
Xeo
:) std::advance(x, 1) is
 
11:27 PM
error: no matching function for call to ‘next(int&)’
 
Xeo
Hm... Sec.
Oh, they are specified in terms of iterator_traits after all.
template <class ForwardIterator>
ForwardIterator next(ForwardIterator x,
    typename std::iterator_traits<ForwardIterator>::difference_type n = 1);
How boring.
 
What, you wanted
some kind of super complex implementation?
 
hmmm
 
Xeo
What does work is *std::next(boost::counting_iterator<T>(x)), though! :D
 
o_O
Iterators confuse me.
 
11:30 PM
I don't think named arguments can really work that well in C++
 
@DeadMG Named arugments? Like, how R does it?
 
how you would cope with perfect forwarding is le mystery to me
 
Xeo
Why?
As a library, sure, you're screwed, but as a language feature, I don't see how perfect forwarding is affected.
 
Use variadic templates if you want a hard time named arguments
 
Xeo
And if you're thinking of variadic templates, well, there are no seperate parameters with names, so no named arguments.
 
11:33 PM
foo(p<argC>(c), p<argD>(d), p<argA>(a));
 
how would you perfectly forward named arguments? The forwarding call can't know what the names are or if they're even used.
@Xeo That being the principle issue- it's no longer transparent.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Why would a perfect forwarder bother with named arguments?
 
perhaps because you wish to perfectly forward to a function that takes named arguments
 
can I initialize a vector in its declaration?
 
Xeo
Wait, are you thinking of annotating functions to mark them that they're supporting only named arguments?
 
11:36 PM
@rogcg you can't declare a vector without initializing it.
 
no, you just mark each argument as supporting being named with X name.
 
Xeo
declare != define
 
Ell
Vector<int> numbers = {1, 2, 3};
 
I never heard of Vector
 
@LuchianGrigore I mean. can I initialize it in .h file?
 
Ell
11:38 PM
I cba to.type. it properly
Add an std and change the case
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Ah, opt-in. I thought you were proposing a default thing again, that you can always say foo(param_name : arg).
 
Std::Vector
 
Std::vector, FTFY.
 
@Xeo Nah. That would mean for functions which are defined inline, you would expose the actual parameter name used by the implementation.
 
namespace Std = std;
template<typename... fuckyou>
using Vector = Std::vector<fuckyou...>;
 
11:39 PM
I mean something like this:

std::vector<TK::Token> m_token = std::vector<TK::Token>;
 
Xeo
Oh btw, the function lifting thing could allow perfect forwarders with named arguments.
And with that it would not just be syntactic sugar anymore.
 
function lifting?
 
Ell
@rogcg values.are initialized in the ctor anyway
 
Xeo
[]foo
 
nah, that's completely immaterial
 
Xeo
11:40 PM
To lift an overload set to a function object.
But it would allow that to work :P
 
for example, you can't []unordered_map::unordered_map
 
Xeo
You can do []unordered_map<K,V>, though, which would then call the constructor after forwarding the arguments.
 
so could it be like this.. I define a ctor in .h file without params, and initialize the vector in cpp file like this:

ST::SymbolsTable::SymbolsTable()
{
m_token = std::vector<TK::Token>;
}

remember token was defined in .h file..
 
secondly, even if COMPILER_MAGIC was used to perfectly forward the names for them, how would you then use it to implement something like make_unique so that it could perfectly forward named arguments passed to it?
 
Xeo
Hm, yeah, for that you're out of luck, right.
 
11:43 PM
posted on November 23, 2012 by Jennifer Leaf [MSFT]

A few months ago, we wrote about how to use the Windows Software Development Kit (SDK) for Windows 8 within your Visual Studio 2010 projects.  These instructions work great if you are updating just one project, but if you need to use the Windows 8 SDK in many projects, repeating these steps for each project can be tedious. If you want to use these settings in multiple proje

 
it would be a lot easier if there was not uniform initialization and initializer lists
then I could simply propose the tuple support I used in Wide to make this work
 
Ell
@rog not even that, you don't have to do anything, values are already done for you. If you wanted to be explicit though, do this: (gimme a sec to look for a tut)
 
perhaps it's possible that language-level tuple support, plus a brief syntactic nod to uniform initialization, is a complete superset of those two functionalities
 
I'm afraid I can't tell you why your result internal struct is not correctly defined (hopefully someone cough sehe cough will be able to). What I can tell you is that adding #define BOOST_RESULT_OF_USE_DECLTYPE and #define BOOST_SPIRIT_USE_PHOENIX_V3 will make it compile with g++ 4.7.1 (using -std=c++11) and msvc11. — llonesmiz 7 hours ago
^ muhahaha. I'm getting all kinds of reputation there ;)
 
Xeo
11:45 PM
Hm, going on a tangent here, without language-level tuples, it's unlikely that we'll see tuple deconstruction, right?
 
@Ell I dont get it.. Shouldnt I declare the ctor with the initialization?
 
Of course I wrote them a nice, long, answer:
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A: basic boost spirit semantic action doesn't compile

seheTL;DR use template <typename, typename> struct result { typedef expression_ast type; }; inside binary_expr struct. Here's why: You declare a functor object, to be used as a Phoenix lazy actor. The functor is what's known as a Deferred/Polymorphic Calleable Object (PCE) in the Boost d...

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Anyone good at excel?
 
what do you want to do?
 
looks like programmers like anime
 
11:54 PM
I don't really care for it :p
 
@Rapptz yup
Don't have it handy, though
 

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