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Q: was I question banned wrongfully?

Chris22177This is my first post on Stack Overflow meta. However, I feel that I was wrongfully question banned and I was wondering if there was any way to appeal my ban. I wrote a pretty simple title and explained my problem as best as I could with text and code samples. I got a simple answer, However that ...

 
 
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3:55 AM
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Q: Is "prefer no external libraries solutions" a hint of library recommendations?

wcminipgasker2023For example, I want to solve something, preferred a solution without external libraries or frameworks, but I don't know if it is possible to solve it without external libraries, and don't want to totally refuse "use this framework" like answers. Is it ok to say "prefer no external libraries solut...

 
 
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5:32 AM
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse While I agree, that reopening process isn't great at reopening stuff, I want to point out that a contributing factor is the whole load of not-reopenable posts that keep being thrown in the reopen queue. The whole reason I'm not browsing it is that it's just so much sand there. It's slightly better than it was before when just any edit sent a post to the queue. But my overall experience with the queue after the change hasn't improved.
I'm up for improving this. I just...don't really know how. The fact is that a lot of people who have had a question closed believe it shouldn't have been closed. Even extremely blatant dupes get this. I'm not going to rehash the same arguments we've all seen. But other blatantly correct close reasons like lack of MCVE have the same thing. OP goes "I know what I'm talking about" edits, fixes a couple of commas, and clicks the tickbox that it's ready to reopen.
Somehow, the whole reopen thing has to be made collaborative which is in essence a lot of what we're struggling anyway. Probably worse for reopen votes because the disparity of expectations on either side of the process.
 
6:04 AM
@VLAZ-onstrike- Yeah, which is why it'd be good to not rely so heavily on that queue. Even in the absolute best case, it's going to be slow. Someone looking at the question with subject-matter expertise and working with the asker to improve it is in a much better position to judge/collaborate/make improvements than people in a queue trying to evaluate stuff from every tag.
 
6:26 AM
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Q: Question closed: Was my explanation poor or is it an xy problem?

MarkMy question was closed with the motivation is duplicated. But, to me, the referenced question is completely different. I agree I can still learn a lot about debugging, but my question was about a specific context: how to read an OPC-UA variable, using the Qt6 framework, avoiding the seg fault whe...

 
Yeah, definitely not.
It's basically "There is a crash in a library that I need to suppress; how do I do that?" if I understand it correctly.
 
Something like that. There are probably a couple of strong evidences that it's not asking what a debugger is: 1. OP already says they used a debugger 2. they are not asking how the debugger would diagnose the problem. But how the problem that is identified using a debugger can be prevented.
 
6:48 AM
@VLAZ-onstrike- Argh!!!
 
Like the "black beast of" fame?
 
Just like, frustrated that bad stuff is happening and I'm on strike.
 
I guess it makes sense. Admittedly, it would have been weird for you to be making a Monty Python joke. In this context, at least.
 
7:35 AM
> I'm not sure if this question is allowed, I would ask on Reddit but they've gone dark.
O boy, here it comes
 
That's on main? Eeek.
 
Although... absorbing Reddit's traffic could help ours, which could be a good thing.
 
> Downvotes on meta are a badge of honor.
 
@E_net4isonstrike huh? Reddit won't go anywhere any time soon. If anything, they'll those who devour Stack Exchange, probably pretty soon.
 
7:51 AM
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack They'll what?
Anyways, no, downvotes on Meta are often a sign that you're embarrassing yourself.
 
;)
@E_net4isonstrike as the giver, or taker? Anyway I disagree either way.
 
@E_net4isonstrike That's sometimes true. Defending unpopular opinions is sometimes honorable.
But receiving primarily downvotes on most of your posts is definitely a bad sign...
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I think E_net4 meant that you accidentally a word in that sentence.
 
@CodyGray-onstrike yeah we have someone in MSE who keep posting very poorly received questions and answers. I suspected from the beginning they're doing it on purpose, they were already suspended twice, but keep going. Sad.
 
Only one someone? :-)
 
7:54 AM
@CodyGray-onstrike for now... others do it, but not in every single post, or in such a high frequency.
 
8:06 AM
Gotta stick with what you're good at.
 
8:35 AM
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I think I know that user you're describing... Their highest (!) voted Meta Q has -22 votes. The user's comments really stand out from the rest. I couldn't decide if "unhinged" or "on purpose", but I tend towards "on purpose" judging from the latest comments and weird statements in the user's ever-changing bio and activity in other communities. Unless I'm thinking of someone else, then your user has a competitor :P
 
8:49 AM
@QBrute yeah that's the one. Didn't know they overflowed to MSO as well. Well, sadly such thing can't be proved (posting low quality stuff on purpose) but luckily they do mistakes sometimes e.g. offensive comment, or just flood of really low quality posts, then they get suspension. System works, but slow, and in the meantime, not much to do.
@VLAZ-onstrike- oh lol, missed that. Meant "they're those who will devour Stack Exchange". /cc @E_net
 
 
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9:56 AM
Ugh, I wasn't paying attention and suddenly got a multitude of mentions.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I meant what VLAZ referred to as accidentally a word.
@CodyGray-onstrike Hence the "often", rather than "always".
 
Nobody said "always", though, did they?
 
Like, sure.
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I'll make no speculations on who will devour who.
I'm not into vore
 
10:33 AM
@E_net4isonstrike my fault! ;)
@E_net4isonstrike lol
 
10:57 AM
Time to wash dishes, pasta had lots of sauce. :/
 
11:32 AM
@E_net4isonstrike Any downvote, or net total?
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype A general tendency of receiving them.
 
12:11 PM
I'm embarrassed when getting no feedback at all, so downvotes, for me, are fine as they're a feedback. Can't say I'm proud to get them, and not looking forward to get them, but it's totally fine and part of the game.
If it turns out my post is just bad or useless, I delete it, happened several times.
 
That happens to me occasionally, receiving downvotes and no comments. Even on Meta. Ultimately, they might just have considered it not useful.
 
12:29 PM
@E_net4isonstrike I have general tendency to receive 1-5 downvotes on every meta post I make. I usually get more upvotes. Well, except for one which ended at around -30, and was roombaed.
 
12:46 PM
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Fine, I meant a tendency to have a negative score.
 
1:12 PM
Oh, you’re just speaking about the rest of my life, in general.
 
1:32 PM
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Q: Link to 2022 survey broken

MaxCongrats on the 2023 survey results - interesting stuff in there! I was curious how some of the results compare to previous years, and noticed that on https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey (googling something like "stack overflow past developer surveys" will take you there), the "View Results"...

 
 
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4:28 PM
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Q: Is it possible to share HttpSession via redis between services that use different versions of Spring Security?

ahoxhaI am working on a product that's implemented using the micro-services architecture. Each microservice is deployed as a SpringBoot application. Some of these microservices have SpringSecurity and they use Redis to share the session between each other so that users don't have to log in again when m...

 
4:40 PM
@NewPosts ayfkm:
One person at least picked a different reason (needs more focus) but gahhhhhhhhh.
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse plus for some reason the answer uses subprocess to call curl when urllib would have worked fine for the purpose.
 
Yeah, my TODO list for after a strike is getting out of hand.
 
Clearly this was a plot three years ago to break a potential strike by creating some obviously invalid closures to annoy the heck out of striking curators :-p
 
It's interesting how/why user on meta dag out this three years old question.
 
Potentially they were looking for the solution and found that
 
4:53 PM
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse No, it's just disguised staff members create reasonable questions on meta, to compel us to break it.
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse I would say not worth it to reopen that anyway, its a duplicate, so would need to re-close it. Mods might be tempted though :P
 
@AbdulAzizBarkat ehhh, it is probably a duplicate but I don't think it's that one: saving to disk is pretty different than reading into memory
but yes the ability to change the close reason by unilaterally reopening and reclosing does make that sort of thing tempting :-p
 
I linked the other one because it was more popular and had more answers
 
that one's closer, definitely
 
5:40 PM
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Q: I think Islam StackExchange shouldn't have been created at all

Snack ExchangeWhen I visited Islam site for the first time I found very few questions that contain a little thinking in them. Most questions are about asking if a particular thing is permitted or not in the religion! There is zero challenging questions and any criticism of Islam faces backlash and down-vote th...

 
Nooooope.
Not having any of that.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype nah, the typical rant after getting single downvote.
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack fancy seeing you here :) I thought you only used SE chats/rooms
 
5:46 PM
"They hunt me! The site must be closed and manager hanged!!!11!!"
@NordineLotfi someone dragged me here.... kind of... posted a link showing competition... so couldn't resist. ;-)
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack mhm......
You know, the competition wasn't only here...
It was also on Discord.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype I have my limits. :P
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Good.
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I see :o
btw, I looked in the backlog of 2~ days ago but it seems no one posted this?:
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Q: Stack Overflow will be experimenting with a question formatting assistant, and we would love for you to be involved

EmersonIn the coming weeks, we will be conducting a new experiment aimed at improving the quality of questions on the site. This experiment is designed to use AI to help users format their question body and code according to the language they are using, making it easier for reviewers and curators to foc...

unless I'm wrong, my bad then...
 
yes, you're wrong. :)
 
5:53 PM
got you
 
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Q: Stack Overflow will be experimenting with a question formatting assistant, and we would love for you to be involved

EmersonIn the coming weeks, we will be conducting a new experiment aimed at improving the quality of questions on the site. This experiment is designed to use AI to help users format their question body and code according to the language they are using, making it easier for reviewers and curators to foc...

 
There's a feed for that, and the feed did post it. :P
 
ooh
yeah I forgot, my bad
 
You have made a terrible mistake!
You shall receive the utmost harsh punishment!
 
5:54 PM
:o I'm both curious and afraid
 
Yes, the harshest of punishments: licorice!
 
Licorice cheese sounds good.
 
I didn't eat any since a couple years ago, so it wouldn't really be a punishment...unless it was unflavored licorice
@AndreasdetestsAIhype or that D:
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype spending ten minutes in a small room with..... me! :P
 
5:56 PM
That's not a punishment either?
 
@NordineLotfi I tasted it few years ago too, was just void of taste. lol
@NordineLotfi evil grin
 
@NordineLotfi So, I had a comment under that post, putting attention on the fact that a question can get ruined by the code in the question being changed by the AI assistant. But it seems like staff deleted that comment. Do they not want to hear about such obvious problems?
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype anything which doesn't praise AI shall be nuked.
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yeah, unflavored one is a bit meh. I liked one that had berries/strawberry flavor (was younger so maybe my taste changed now)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack o-o
 
@NordineLotfi huh? Are we playing chess? ;)
 
5:59 PM
@AndreasdetestsAIhype welp, doesn't really surprise me since they don't want people not jumping on the hype train. I also predicted they would do this for months now (I think I mentioned them doing this like Quora did before in this room and another one)
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I thought we were playing checkers :P
 
@NordineLotfi I tried the brown one, probably without flavor, yeah.
@NordineLotfi O-o
My favorite during highschool was Truth or Dare, but somehow never got anything good out of it. :D
 
Poor crab is gonna rip off an arm over this conversation.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype hmm? Who's crab?
from Sponge Bob?
 
since I lost the opportunity last time the data dump was talked about...does anyone happen to have some of the files (or know a good way) to get the missing data dump from this list?: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/224873/…
the ones without any archive.org link I mean
(I know the torrent is still there but it has no seed)
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack You have clearly been gone for too long.
 
6:04 PM
@NordineLotfi probably Jeremy Banks has, he's network wide suspended until next year, but you can reach him in Twitter.
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack He's on Discord.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype oh, good. (for @Nord ;))
 
Active daily.
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack already sent an email. He answered but it's not fully positive, mostly giving me hope
 
@NordineLotfi hope is good! And the meaning of my name in Hebrew. :D
 
6:06 PM
:o
 
(real name, not Shadow ;))
 
(I know)
 
(glad to hear)
(eating a pie)
 
(nice)
 
(breaking a tooth from a diamond hidden there by some former mod)
 
6:09 PM
I guess I could reach out to that one staff/employee that seemed to agree on bringing back the data dump (they even changed their profile to reflect that) or I could make a meta post on SE to see if anything good comes from that
 
to what end? they're bringing it back arent they?
surely if there's some file from a previous one that's missing, that'll be backburner until the current one is done uploading.
 
@KevinB only the recent, think @Nord means past dumps.
 
true hmm
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yep, that's what I meant
 
I know currently the newer data dump is more important, but I thought, "maybe it could be a good time to ask about the past ones that were never uploaded to archive.org"
 
6:13 PM
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack You need a lightsaber and force powers (and personal relations, of course), to turn that hope into success.
 
@NordineLotfi surely someone store them all, thought Jeremy was one, but I'm sure there are others.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype depends what you hope for. If you hope for the worst, it might just work. :P
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yeah, that was my thought too
 
6:31 PM
Supper time!
 
 
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7:36 PM
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Q: Stack Exchange Network Outage – June 15, 2023

Josh ZhangTL;DR: On June 15, 2023, starting at 13:52 UTC, an integer overflow in our database caused the SE Network sites to become unavailable for all users. Timeline: On June 15, 2023, at 13:52 UTC, we started noticing elevated errors related to changes made to our main database. By 13:57 UTC, SE Network...

 
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Q: We are seeking functional feedback for the formatting assistant

EmersonWe are seeking functional feedback for the formatting assistant experiment, which will help users format their question body and code according to the language they are using. The experiment is now open and people will be interacting with the tool. If you encounter any issues with the tool we hop...

 
err
why does it convert I'm to I am
 
probably use openai model with some prompt template
 
7:56 PM
this is bad
two tries, back to back failures
(and neither were python)
admittedly i assume they can easily fix the snippet case
just dont touch snippets
 
@KevinB it get bonus points for more letters.
 
i was expecting it to just occationally mangle code
not.... omit code entirely
 
@AnnouncementsonMSE shining light in a very dark forest. Transparent, admitting mistakes, good humor. Kudos.
@KevinB code scares its gentle non existing soul.
 
> We use a 3rd-party incident management tool to help us work through incidents, and they host our status page. It seems they were not quite equipped to handle the burst of traffic from this outage. We’ve notified the vendor, and they’ve since resolved the issue and have a post-mortem to run themselves.
lmao
you had one job
to be clear that one's definitely not Stack's fault, but wow that's more than a bit embarrassing for that vendor.
 
@NewPosts Maybe the shiny new tool is too shiny? Because it's not a tool, which explains why it's still shiny, and hasn't gotten dirty yet?
 
8:11 PM
> my node server return a valid json (array), something like this

was turned into

> My node server returns valid JSON (array), something like this:
why doesn't it like "a"
these in general look like the kind of low quality suggested edits you'd expect to see from a new user
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse question is, what's written in the contract.
@KevinB well, it is new.
It just mimic human behavior.
Or, one of the monkeys is sick, having bad stomach after eating too many bananas.
 
note how neither plan lists any restrictions on traffic
 
> Subject to Customer’s payment of all fees and compliance with this Agreement, FireHydrant shall provide support relating to usage of the Services via its support email (support@firehydrant.io), Monday – Friday from 9:00am – 5:00pm ET, with the exclusion of FireHydrant’s standard observed company holidays (the “Support Services”).
love an outage service with no off-hours support
because all outages occur during east-coast US business hours, right?
 
@KevinB yeah, typical. Hide the bad things.
 
8:24 PM
in fairness there might be like, some other agreement that I can't find via Google searches.
anyway uh, I would definitely not be buying this thing given, uh, all of that ^
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse and it was nightmare for Aaron to customize it for SE needs, I remember it was horrible at first.
 
fortunately for them they have very little to fear from the loss of my business, given that I'm a client-side mobile developer :-p
 
8:38 PM
@NewPosts I decided to put in some exceedingly stupid input and oh boy did it deliver some output.
 
that is gold
 
Yeah I was not sure what to expect, but I sure didn't expect that.
 
I'm surprised it didn't add "Thanks in advance!"
i wonder if it knows what to do with coldfusion
input:
  function getProductStatus(status_id) {
    if (status_id EQ 6) {
      return 'active';
    }
    if (status_id EQ 8) {
      return 'discontinued';
    }
    return 'archived';
  }
it's literally generating questions
this needs to be stopped
 
And making code modifications
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse This is nuts! I don't even want to think, what will be happening in tags like python next two weeks, with all those students asking strange questions multiplied but insanity of this editor.
 
8:54 PM
I don't know what's happening. I'm honestly not sure if my brain is messing up, or if the AI is messing up. Argh, it feels like my head is about to explode.
 
i mean
 
Maybe it's because of the extreme heat at the moment.
 
the ai is pretty much just making things up
 
@KevinB Well, I deleted it when I realized that my brain is shutting down.
 
have you seen my answers?
lol
or ryan's
it's literally just generating content.
 
8:55 PM
Yeah, I've seen it.
But I was trying to assess my own question, and the output by their "AI".
Hahaha. This is fun. :P
 
i don't think it's worth trying to understand "why" it changed what it did
because you can try again and it'll give another output
 
time to take a peek at the incoming question feed
 
@KevinB Great freaking way to increase engagement and number of questions. Gets a monkey squad to enter a couple of letter, and this ****** will generate the rest of the question.
 
oh, neat, we can tell if it used ai by the way that it is
 
8:59 PM
@KevinB Please don't. I'm afraid you'll break the strike right away.
 
i don't see anything problematic
well, more problematic than normal
high rep users editing obvious typo/duplicate questions and then answering them,
 
Okay, I'll concede, that's an improvement:
 
Old question of mine. Would've been more useful if their AI just told me how much of a stupid duplicate, and otherwise low-quality garbage post it is, that serves no purpose on SO.
 
If anything, this might be an awesome audit producer for the suggested edits queue. — Kevin B 5 mins ago
@KevinB, are you serious?
 
Yea, these would all be great low quality edit audits.
i repeated my above test with a tag, to give it a hint to help it along, and it still thinks it's javascript and invented a story for me:
> I found this function in a codebase I'm working on but I'm not sure what it's supposed to do. It takes a status_id parameter and returns a string indicating the status of a product. The if statements check if the status_id is equal to 6 or 8 and return "active" or "discontinued," respectively. If the status_id is not 6 or 8, it returns "archived." Can someone confirm my understanding or correct me if I'm wrong?
at least this time it didn't turn it into javascript
huh.
can we get it to convert jquery to javascript
 
lol
i wonder if it can "revise" an answer
or generate a question for an answer
eh, not exactly
 
I upvoted the question for visibility of this, but I get why people are downvoting.
Please feature this post so more of us can see the trainwreck this has become. — Frédéric Hamidi 2 mins ago
lol
 
so, when they announced this, it sounded like they had found some way to reign it in and have it literally just suggest grammatical fixes and improve code
but
they're just feeding it to gpt.
no guardrails
 
how was this ever just a solution to formatting code as they suggested?
 
9:32 PM
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse I downvoted it because they ignored all summons to wait until the strike is over, and editing is not skewed. And also, because is looks like they haven't tested it at all. It is not even alpha.
 
@KevinB I guess this is what happens when following hype trains and misunderstanding how some things work :/
@markalex they must have dollar sign in their eyes. Maybe that prevented seeing how bad it is
 
FWIW they did test it using some staging ground questions. I think they just didn't try it with bad enough questions. Although I'm surprised they didn't hit the "removing sections of code" thing.
it seems to handle most non-terrible stuff pretty well
 
there testing, and then there testing, aka, using it thoroughly like a normal user/whoever it is targeted for
 
tbf
my usage thus far, started out as a n ormal user would
i copy pasted in questions that are live and hit format
 
that's what I'm saying
 
9:35 PM
to be fair regarding some of this, it's arguably not targeted at a user who inputs the letter "f" as the only input
 
my first two tries, are posted on that feedback post
one lost the snippet
the next lost code
the snippet bit is probably unfixable
 
I've tried it with a bunch of real questions (specifically selecting bad ones) and generally got improvements. Although I found serious issues, too, so I feel like they could have tried harder.
 
given how they have implemented this
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse I wouldn't be surprised someone does this for spam or accident. But either way, this should emphasize how much it "autocomplete" things out of thin air
 
I don't know. How didn't they found and stopped adding non-existent follow-ups?
 
9:39 PM
not what asked for but also, uh, not really a revision!
 
Major improvement.
 
lol looking as side observer, you are like kids playing with a new toy. :-D
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype i put your image into it:
 
9:42 PM
Correction: we are adults playing with a new toy.
 
the wording of that question is just...
 
But the excitement... the desire to find the flaws... impressive!
 
so gpt
 
9:43 PM
i suspect it can't read images and is just making things up because we asked it to
 
I already predicted they would try to add this to SO before in this room, but I can already see it now: no matter how much prompt engineering they throw at those most definitely third party API (which is most probably just OpenAI) they cannot make this a viable solution
 
hah
i never thought to feed their meta question into it
nothing crazy, but it removed a lot of things it shouldn't have
 
Make it crash!
 
done
 
@NordineLotfi can't you see the requests being sent to check what API is used?
 
9:53 PM
you can exit the prompt they provided it and give it your own
 
@KevinB that's not crashing
 
same diff
i wonder if the title tool has the same problem
or, had
surely they'll fix it before it sees the light of day again. Right? Right...
 
@KevinB But it was correct in not finding my method of doing religion.
 
10:21 PM
You know, you can just use recursion.
Keep clicking "generate suggestion" and "accept suggestion".
Has Queen been infected with AI?
 

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