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3:02 PM
The comments on this answer are heating up.
 
Enough to pop some corn?
(actually, I know it's way past that point. I stopped reading them like 15 minutes ago when they were not even fun any more)
 
looks dead to me
 
@E_net4isonstrike ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@KevinB what's dead? Z?
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack 2Pac. RIP
 
3:11 PM
@VLAZ-onstrike- switching two letters in that can give funny result, but won't share it here.... yet... :D
@VLAZ-onstrike- oh no!
Who did that?! I'll downvote that person and vote to close all their posts!
 
Yeah. Would you believe it. He died like an hour ago heroically battling disembodied monkey nipples.
 
who did what?
 
@KevinB killed 2Pac. :(
 
james
 
Well, I prefer 6-pack anyway.
 
3:14 PM
@VLAZ-onstrike- I regret reading the part where that user called ChatGPT a search engine.
2
 
I've got a 12-pack.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- showoff.
 
@E_net4isonstrike I think in retrospect I regret reading all of it.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- nah, was funny.
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack OK, had a 12-pack. I think I drank 3 of those, so now I'm down to 9.
 
3:15 PM
But I do believe ChatGPT can really be used as search engine, same way car can be used to boil eggs, on its engine.
@VLAZ-onstrike- huh! Bring some to @Andreas then. ;)
 
LOL
> ChatGPT does have a search engine. Just type the question "Can you give me a link to a Computer Science forum?", and you will be pleasantly surprised to see Stack Overflow show up as the first choice. If your point is that ChatGPT is much more than that, you are correct. It isn't just a search engine.
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Depends on what's inside the pack.
 
For a bit of fun - if anybody doesn't know, there is a script that moves comments into threads. If you reply to somebody it nests these conversations. I works fine most of the time. But if there are a lot of comments doesn't really work well.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype Beer.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype brown beer.
 
@KevinB Why are they on SO if they have no intention of learning? They should've learned long ago what ChatGPT really is! Argh, people are annoying.
 
3:22 PM
they're probably just lonely
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- @Shadow I don't use alcohol.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype brown beer is without alcohol. :D
 
@KevinB Like me?
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype OK, I can give you the empty cans, if you wish.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- SO useful!
 
3:23 PM
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack ... I will definitely pass.
@VLAZ-onstrike- No, thanks. :)
 
You can use the material to build a robot out of them.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Use ChatGPT for its brain?
 
Yep. That was going to be my suggestion.
XD
 
mhm... As long as you can give it a camera, and constantly feed the camera's output into ChatGPT, and somehow transform its output into movements, I guess it's a robot. Probably gonna get hit by a car, or something.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype I think I have a better idea. Get some of those fake cameras they sell, glue them to the empty beer can body you've built. Next acquire a hamster and rig the whole thing so while the rodent is running in a wheel it would move. Introduce some randomness to the movement - so it will mostly go forward but also swerve left and right. Now sell it as ChatGPT enabled robot for many many bucks.
 
3:29 PM
You know, in the long run, should we actually care that our data is used to train ML models? ChatGPT and similar models will all simply age out, at which point they serve no purpose anymore. I guess people will realize this, some day...
@VLAZ-onstrike- There's been a few cases of such. We had a guy in Norway that fled to the USA after he pulled off something similar. The thing is, this fraud was so obvious that people realized it; well, more than a tiny bunch of people.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype but.. it's so tasty....
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Chocolate milk is good, though, and that's brown.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype dark chocolate is even better. ;)
had a shake of chocolate icecream and espresso last week... heaven.... :D
 
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Q: Planned maintenance scheduled for Thursday, June 14, 2023 at 21:00 UTC

Mike Franktl;dr; We are updating a piece of network hardware that will cause some internal traffic disruption for about a 1 minute duration. It's possible this could manifest some errors on the site while the network hardware restarts. The window for the update and restart is 1 hour from 21:00 UTC - 22:00 ...

 
that's a few hours from now
wait
is today thursday
 
3:35 PM
no
 
is june 14th thursday
 
@Mithical yes.
Today is June 14.
 
@KevinB June 14 is today. Today is Wednesday.
 
It's in 6 hours. Planned. lol
 
lol
 
3:36 PM
@Mithical so typo, either way.
And no way to know what the real date it.
Probably he'll fix it, well, in two days.
 
@Mithical Announcement says "Thursday, June 14, 2023"
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- That's not a real date.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe SE used statistics to derive it
 
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack No...
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- status page says June 16, 2023
Anyway, downvoted already.
They don't even know when it will take place.
 
3:41 PM
@ShadowWizardStrikesBack But which day of the week? Tuesday?
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Surpriseday
 
*marks it down in the calendar*
 
And at this point, won't be surprised if it's just an attempt to create a diversion, not a real thing.
 
4:14 PM
@NewPosts grumble grumble
 
4:32 PM
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Q: Trouble with code snippets on the new UI

danik0011Here is a comparison of old: and new: Where did the code snippet go? How can I make it now?

 
4:42 PM
I'm really tempted to break the strike for a del vote. Or maybe I should just stop reading the comments under the answer.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Yeah. Stop feeding the troll with your attention.
 
5:14 PM
> My wife got scammed and i am wondering is there somebody , who could hack the website of those scammers and get my money back.If somebody would be willing to offer me help, i would gladly provide him with all the details and actual website.
 
Well, we have the contact details of some magicians. Does that help?
 
I know of a Shaman or two, that can cast spells all over the world...
Now that SD is on strike, maybe you'll find him somewhere on SO.
 
Dr. Whats-his-face - yeah. I think we're talking about the same one.
 
They might just be able to help!
 
5:29 PM
1. Cast a love spell on the scammer 2. entangle the scammer in a web of false emotions 3. get the scammer to return the money
4. Leave the scammer and break their heart as revenge
 
Yes, I don't see any faults in it.
 
Possible fault #1 - you'll actually fall in love with the scammer, and become a scammer yourself. ;)
 
5:46 PM
We need this Christmas romantic comedy. Woman goes back to small town for Christmas. Falls for a guy. Guy is a scammer. Woman leaves her high paying job to also become a scammer.
 
Scammer leaves job as a scammer to get a high-paying job to buy woman nice things resulting in awkward gift exchange.
No, wait, that's a different Christmas tale.
 
Sounds romantic.
 
> Our CEO will be on stage at WeAreDevelopers
 
6:06 PM
@KevinB Nice opportunity to ask about the strike in public.
July 27, though.
 
6:30 PM
it claims to be some mash up of community and business, but the community was forgotten
(also, dark mode was forgotten)
white text over bright yellow background
 
@KevinB What's he doing there?
/snark
 
i mean, he owns a company that owns a developer community, therefore developer
 
6:52 PM
@KevinB That must be some sarcastic joke.
 
it's from the stackoverflow.co page
 
@KevinB If the community is at the center of what they do, torture must be their business.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype The community is at the centre. Surrounded.
 
@VLAZ-onstrike- Surrounded with torture?
 
Well, for now we have transparent BS.
So, hey, technically that's 2/2!
 
7:33 PM
> You know what would be funny? If it turns out that MisterMiyagi and Cerbrus are AI bots.
This is going way too far.
 
trolls gonna troll
 
7:48 PM
@E_net4isonstrike I hate that I already know where this is from without needing to check
 
8:00 PM
@VLAZ-onstrike- Feel the need to cast delete votes increase its itching?
 
8:19 PM
I mean, yes. But I also went and had a shower in the hopes that it would be sorted out by the time I'm back. Also, after the shower I don't feel like going to see the post again. If it's still up tomorrow I'll act. For now, I'll have some beer and watch something before bed.
 
i mean, just cast it. curation on meta is irrelevant to the purpose of the strike
 
9:12 PM
> I haven't noticed any increase in spam. What I am seeing is questions that need improvement remaining open long enough to be clarified and answered. The site is actually welcoming to new users for the first time in years. I'd prefer it if the moderators remained on strike forever.
I'm thinking... maybe we shouldn't be so welcoming, then.
 
:vomit:
The only thing I've seen increase is more garbage comments and "not an answer"s complaining about the site. Sure that's welcoming to whoever has their opinion set about the site and might as well see themselves out anyway.
 
I mean there's kind of half a valid point there about the question reopening process being, uh, suboptimal
My half-baked idea would be to increase the reopen voting power of people with relevant tag badges under certain circumstances, such as after an edit from the asker.
 
🚽
 
I'm all for closure of questions that aren't clear, obviously
But they need to be able to be reopened once they're fixed, and that process is a little broken.
another idea would be to generate a notification to the close voters under specific circumstances, perhaps when at least one reopen vote from someone other than the asker is cast.
(honestly I think it should be once when the asker checks the "problems are fixed, submit for review" box, but I know that's an unpopular idea)
 
9:32 PM
i want a solution that will instill a sense of... trust that we don't have users reopening things just because they think they can answer it. Locking that kind of power solely behind a score based tag badge... doesn't do that.
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the opposite almost
 
Yeah, I do agree with that concern. Not sure how to solve it, though.
Perhaps the original close voters should have that increased reopen power.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine @Mithical Morning. I joined the discord. Can I get the mod role? Thank you!
 
@Wipqozn sure, what's your username
 
@Mithical wipqozn (might be .wipqozn due to the new discord silliness)
 
granted
 
9:43 PM
@Mithical thank you
 
np
 
Do we have any reliable numbers for how often close votes and reopen votes are abused?
 
i'd go with no
unless you have a particular definition of abuse that can be quantified
we can certainly find some examples of people perceiving close and reopen votes as abuse, but that's different
 
No, I don’t really have anything to help with; hoped others had perhaps looked into it in the past.
 
interesting data would be how many reopens on average per month are done by users who follow that up with an answer
i imagine it's small
and focused on a select few... problematic tags
 
9:49 PM
Well, I sure hope you have higher standards for me than thinking I’d accept Meta post complaints from people about it. :P
I just have an impression that reopen votes are more abused than close votes, on main. I see a lot of weird close votes on MSO and MSE, though.
 
@KevinB Arguably, the most problematic case would be reopening actual duplicates to answer them. If someone thinks they can answer a question that is closed as unclear...maybe it's not actually unclear.
 
abuse is probably just the wrong term
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype I think you mean super-downvotes on MSO/MSE /s
 
@KevinB Not really; abuse is exactly what I was thinking about, but perhaps I should be thinking about something else.
 
Also MSE has a bunch of extremely overzealous dupe voters
 
9:51 PM
MSE is just generally a very weird place where nothing makes sense.
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse i mean... kinda? what i recall seeing instead was people thinking it wasn't unclear, and jumping over a few plotholes on the way to their answer
 
To the point where I've asked a moderator to step in when one of them got snippy about me constantly pointing out that their dupe votes were wrong
(I object to all incorrect dupe votes on meta, they just happen to cast a large number of them...)
 
their guess/assumptions may very well turn out ot be correct, but, that's besides the point
 
@RyanM-Regenerateresponse That’s one of the forms of abuse I had in mind; one which I have seen several times.
 
i'd consider such reopen + answer cases not necessarily abuse, but rather, inexperience
or rep hungry
 
9:53 PM
Gold tag badge holders reopening an obvious duplicate, with at least 5 almost identical targets in the duplicate list, only to then answer it themselves. So annoying.
 
yeah, that's common in some of the problematic tags, but there's so much disagreement on how... duplicate something needs to be to be a duplicate.
so many of the questions in these tags merge 10 different concepts into one question making it a "new" question that is duplicated in 10 different individual ways that are uninteresting/notuseful together
 
@KevinB The rules and norms on this are rather clear, and gold tag badgers shall be expected to be aware of this, especially after they have been caught, and are still doing it.
 
but technically...
not a dupe.
perfect fit for too localized tho
 
@KevinB But then I’d argue it’s a new question, unless the answer is very trivially constructed from the other Q/As, and a new Q/A doesn’t serve anybody else.
 
just all goes back to Stack seems to want the sites to be whatever people asking questions want it to be, while somehow preserving the long-term quality end of things
it just doesn't work with the current design and causes all of this friction
i do think it serves both answerers and askers alike for these kinds of questions to be answered rather than hammered, but the current system can't deal with the mess that leaves behind
there's plenty of people who'd love to rehash duplicate questions, post new answers specific to the asker, and if that didn't get in teh way of the end goal why would it be problematic?
you give new devs an opportunity to learn/grow through helping others and being helped by others rather than playing this cat and mouse game of hammer the dupe before someone helps the asker
 
10:01 PM
I still think so much of the friction is easy to solve with a tiny bit of basic education before anybody gets to post a question. The help center is not great at getting the point across that the site is not for the individual, but for the greater good. And it doesn’t help that the front page is a big ad sewing misinformed expectations.
 
it's also incredibly clunky for a non-logged in user to get to a list of questions
 
@KevinB So a personal helpdesk service; that should be separate from SO.
 
and that list of questions they get to are probably the worst set of questions we'd want to show a new user
 
@KevinB That list is the main reason why I justified posting terrible beginner questions when I had only learned programming for a month, and had never used any SE site before, other than for reading and voting.
 
@AndreasdetestsAIhype eh, i don't think it should. they serve the same purpose in the end. Most knowledgebase systems are based on a Q/A front or a live chat front to source articles from
 
10:04 PM
@KevinB I think the arguments have been well-presented and justified elsewhere, so I’m not gonna follow up on that.
 
that won't stop me from discussing it, ;)
i've also been here for a long time
i've made a lot of the same arguments myself
 
@KevinB That reminds me of this discussion.
 
when i first joined here, i enjoyed the fact that i could just pop in, help a few people dupe close a dupe here and there, close this other as too localised, and feel like i came away from it with new knowledge while also helping others along the way. That's what the new user experience should be
not hopping in, answering a question or two, and then being berrated by some 10 year veteran for answering something that should be closed
 
@KevinB I don’t think I’ve seen that happen to new users. I explicitly don’t care for answers from new users on duplicates; I only care about answers from existing, experienced users, because they should know better.
 
i've seen it a lot, and even done it myself in the past, because answers on these questions get in the way of clean up.
 
10:11 PM
I just assume that the fact the question was closed, is enough to teach the new user about how the site works, and what we expect of contributors.
 
which then gets in the way of search working
which then gets in the way of dupe finding
effectively, what I'd want to see is a lower barrier to questions getting deleted after 6 months.
 
Well, yeah, but new users will see that the question was closed, and then learn from it. They’ll be curious as to why the question was closed, and likely want to adhere to the site’s standards. They’re really not the issue; they will learn. The problem is those that refuse to learn, or simply don’t care, such as 10k+ users (or 200k+).
 
coupled with letting people answer whatever question they want, while still enforcing the no gpt/plagiarism front ofc
this results in more sand hitting the trash while letting people get the help they're looking for
the good stuff will generally survive deletion and stay around forever, the useless stuff will disappear
the way it's supposed to work
 
@KevinB That’s unmanageable in the long-term. Without a narrow set of questions that are allowed, SO will eventually get fed with more and more questions that really don’t belong here. We can’t manage it.
 
i mean
we can't manage what we currently have
so just sticking with this won't work
 
10:15 PM
It’s better than making the problem worse.
 
i don't think so
doing nothing, until the community fades away isn't a great solution
 
And parts of why we can’t manage what we have now, is because SE is being utterly stupid about not providing the tools for it, and not listening to the feedback they’ve been given again and again.
It’s just frustrating.
@AndreasdetestsAIhype One of the reasons why I’m striking.
 
Being more strict on what can and can’t be asked/answered isn’t going to grow the network either
I don’t think we need to increase the scope
 
The reason why I ended up only doing curation/moderation, is because I kept looking for stuff to answer. In the end, I just gave up due to the extreme amount of garbage. Increasing the amount of garbage really isn’t going to work. Yeah, fine; it’ll increase the beginners, inexperienced, etc, but drive away those at the core of the community; those keeping it alive.
 
Rather, I think we need a better way to “sift through the sand”, so to speak, so that we can handle more of it
 
10:22 PM
Well, that’ll require tool support from SE, and they won’t provide that. Sadly. Whenever we have any such discussion, we’ll often end up with a conclusion that the best thing to do, is something that requires SE to be on board, and then simply have to abandon that idea, because we won’t get SE on board.
Anyway. I have a long day tomorrow (today), and need to get some sleep. :)
Good night. :)
 
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Q: Firefox on stackoverflow.com: Did Not Connect: Potential Security Issue

TheTridentGuyIt's now happened several times lately that when I attempt to visit https://stackoverflow.com, Firefox gives me this page: Did Not Connect: Potential Security Issue Firefox detected a potential security threat and did not continue to stackoverflow.com because this website requires a secure conne...

 
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