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12:01 AM
@KenWhite Thanks. Could I trouble you to make a new request, and to ask for the old one to be binned? Though, since @Makyen is the recent RO, they may be able to edit the request directly.
 
@cigien Yep. Give me one second...
 
@KenWhite You did the same thing again :)
 
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12:04 AM
@cigien Thanks. I was able to edit to correct it (I think - I thought I had it last time.)
 
@KenWhite All sorted now. Those mods do some magical things ;)
 
@cigien I'm not sure why that link gave me so much trouble. Maybe the extra () embedded in the title itself.
 
@KenWhite That's possible. Did you write the request by hand, or did you use a script to generate it?
 
@cigien By hand, in a Notepad window. Is there a script available still?
 
@KenWhite Links can have () within the [] without problem. The main issues were the corruption of the URL (a 1 replaced by a ) for unknown reason) and a space between the ] and (.
 
12:10 AM
@Makyen Yeah, I probably fat-fingered it in Notepad in the write/copy/paste/write/copy/paste process of putting together the request. Thanks for the correction.
 
@KenWhite I use the Request Generator script myself. It's the first one in this list. I find it really useful, in that I don't make typos any more, and it's easier to generate a valid request. OTOH, it being easier to do, means I do have to be a little more careful to not be trigger happy with requests. On the whole, I would recommend it.
 
12:35 AM
@cigien I have that installed, but it stopped working in Chrome a few weeks ago. I just reinstalled it, and it's still not working. The cv-pls link doesn't appear any more - that's why I started doing it by hand again.
 
@bad_coder I don't see any recent activity for that post other than the edits you made a few minutes ago, which I'm not sure counts.
@KenWhite Oh, sorry to hear that. I'm afraid I can't help with fixing that in any way. Have you asked Makyen about it before? If not, mention the browser you're using, the userscript manager, with the version, etc, and I suspect it'll get fixed before long.
 
12:54 AM
@cigien bottom answer was edited 3rd last month by another user.
 
@bad_coder Ah, you're right. I missed that, my bad.
 
1:47 AM
@cigien No, I haven't mentioned it to @Makyen. I should probably do so. :-)
 
@KenWhite Which version of the Request Generator are you using? Is it the current alpha version?
@KenWhite np. Such things happen. :;
 
@Makyien: Trying it now. TamperMonkey didn't show any updates available, and manually checking showed the same version I had installed.
@Makyen: That fixed it. :-) Thank you very much! Composing the cv-pls requests by hand was really laborious after being used to having your script available. :-)
 
@KenWhite \o/ I'm happy we were able to get it resolved. I'm glad the script has been of help. While I've largely rewritten the script and significantly expanded it, it's really an adaptation of other people's work, so they deserve a large part of the credit for it.
I'm sorry that keeping an alternate/alpha version around for so long has caused you problems and problems for other people. At this point, I think we're well past the point where I need to just merge that branch, even without the Greasemonkey 4 support which was the reason for not having it be the release version. Merging it into the master branch will probably result in fewer problems overall.
 
@Makyen: I never thought to check for an alpha version. I've been checking every couple of days via TamperMonkey's "check for script updates", and it didn't find one. I should have asked about it sooner. I do appreciate the work that everyone has done with that script - it's a definite time and frustration saver (as well as a typ-prevention tool). :-)
 
2:11 AM
@KenWhite Yeah, the fact that existence of the alpha version is not easily discoverable is a large part of the problem. Overall, maintaining it as not the release version is causing more problems than I anticipate would be caused by merging it at this point. Probably what should be done is to detect and warn people when it finds it's running under Greasemonkey 4. Either that or bite the bullet and find/make/spend the time to actually make it compatible with Greasemonkey 4 (non-trivial).
 
@Makyen: Yeah, my experience with trying to maintain both alpha and release versions over a long period of time has not been pleasant. I'm actually doing it with a large scale (1M+ LOC) application now and trying to do it working remotely as well. Not one of my favorite experiences so far.
 
 
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3:49 AM
@ RO please delete my question ^^^, I guess I should answer it.
 
@mickmackusa Only by reading the comments: no repro
 
@Doub but I can reproduce it.
 
4:09 AM
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4:34 AM
@mickmackusa A question can be "no repro" when the conditions to reproduce the error are specific to the user, e.g. using number parameters of a depreciated method for new version. However, I don't have a strong opinion on that particular question and was just trying to give an idea as an answer to your question
 
@mickmackusa its more of typo than a no repro.
 
5:05 AM
It was an absolute RTFM question which I felt cheap aswering, but I wasn't happy with my close options.
 
5:53 AM
888~959~XXXX AIrlines Phone Number Customer Service => Why we get this type of spamming everyday on SO?
 
@Droid we can't imagine what exactly drives the spammer but this has been prevalent across the network for a long time; this particular strain seems to target SO more (probably for traffic reasons), and has some conspicuous obfuscations
if you want weird spam, look at the voodoo doctor and vampire spam in metasmoke
 
 
 
chat.stackoverflow.com was down? or its only happened with me
 
@Droid I didn't notice any problem here
 
8:01 AM
is this NAA or salvagable? the first two paragraphs are copy of question
 
@SurajRao it is NAA now.
 
@rene I guess it is.
 
Your guess is as good as mine.
 
Huh? But the guest guessed the best.
 
Now I can't access stackoverflow.com
That's only happen with me? 😐
 
8:12 AM
Did you pay the rent?
 
@rene to whom. Strange
Its working now. Error gone.
 
Glad to see you're back!
 
@JeanneDark ;)
 
Good morning
 
\o
 
\o
 
0?
 
@rene ヽ( ゜▽ ゜)
2
 
9:07 AM
@rene Is that scratching your head or saluting?
 
Yes
 
...I can only blame myself.
Well, 0? to you too!
 
9:29 AM
@VLAZ Thanks, that is appreciated ;)
 
For you - always :P
 
10:03 AM
Is this NAA repeating another answer after the edit, or offering a unique solution?
 
Flagged as NAA. Seems like a thank-you to me...
 
Thanks
 
10:20 AM
Does pasting a bunch of code with no attribution other than "the code from geeksforgeeks" qualify as copyright violation? stackoverflow.com/q/66527841
 
@khelwood I don't think that is properly attributed.
 
@rene So should it be mod-flagged?
 
@khelwood I would leave them a comment to make then aware of stackoverflow.com/help/referencing if this is their first offence
 
10:47 AM
"No human sacrifices involve" Sounds great
 
I am free this weekend. Might join.
 
lolz, It will be gone in a few second
 
I flagged this as NAA, but should something be done about it (i.e. editing the links to user profiles) while it's 'in limbo' (awaiting probable deletion from review)?
 
@Yatin congrats you won $ 8000,0000 USD
 
Sounds legit
 
10:49 AM
@AdrianMole I miss that, it has gone
 
@Droid Small change! Pocket money.
@Droid Big Bhargav is on form today - fast and furious! :-)
 
They forgot an obvious text tweak: offering crypto currency instead of USD.
 
I like RMB!
 
@E_net4couldusemoreflags the use both symbol $ and word USD in their amount
 
@AdrianMole I like the right mouse button too.
@Droid So it's dollars in USD?
 
10:52 AM
Very democratic, right mouse buttons.
 
No repo/typos? stackoverflow.com/q/66521496/11573842 "I was using https://localhost:3000 instead of the correct option http://localhost:3000. When I've changed it, all works fine!"
 
I am eagerly waiting for Airlines Phone Number Customer Service ;)
@Yatin typo , according to the OP's comment https protocol for localhost instead of http. I change it to http and all works well!
 
you'll get more of those in Charcoal chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq
 
@tripleee I go there and got this superuser.com/questions/1631708/…
 
really no need to cross-post spam notices for other sites here; this is Stack Overflow only
and those of us who are already in Charcoal already saw that
 
11:15 AM
Is this NAA?
 
@Droid I had seen them before and choose to assume good faith.
 
@Droid copy pasted article with stackoverflow as utm_source.. I am slightly leaning towards spam here
In this article, we will be doing a comparison of manual cross-browser testing vs automated cross-browser testing
 
@SurajRao I have flagged both answers.
 
wow, SD also detect this. So I am faster than SD? ;)
 
@Droid I manually reported it using AF
 
11:21 AM
@Yatin mod flagged?
 
@SurajRao Nah spam flagged. 🤔 Maybe I should have mod flagged.
Note the utm_source=stackoverflow&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=queryresolution part
@SurajRao Mod flagged one of them. Other is still spam flagged.
 
Java folks does this answer the asked question or their own question?
 
@SurajRao I mean, it is an attempt to answer, albeit possibly based on another code base.
 
ok.
 
Which is weird, but it's essentially an equivalent problem.
 
11:39 AM
thanks
 
Is this R/A (seems to be a copy/paste from an email the system sent them) ... or is it just misguided (NAA)?
 
@AdrianMole I say misguided and utterly confused.
 
@E_net4couldusemoreflags Yeah - Benefit of the doubt, I gave.
@Tomerikoo Probably no need. Multiple spams by the same user are normally spotted pretty quickly.
 
12:37 PM
Is this just NAA, an incomplete link-only answer or possible spam (with the spam link to be added later)? It looks suspicious to me.
 
@JeanneDark there is a link in the markup but due to SE renddring it doesn't show. -> Spam
 
@JeanneDark not added later.. Its there. not properly formatted
 
Thanks!
 
:51737967 MS seems to be parsing correctly :p
 
1:01 PM
Morning
 
Morning
 
1:27 PM
o/
 
mck
Is this an answer? Feels like half-comment-half-answer to me. A bit speculative.
 
1:44 PM
@mck Looks like a comment to me so I converted it. If they're below 50 rep they can't comment so a lot of folks use answers instead
 
Flagged this as NAA but is it potentially worse? Couldn't make sense of the picture they link to but looks somewhat commercial.
 
@JeanneDark If not spam, it is R/A, as it is unnecessary noise
 
Thank you
 
2:11 PM
@RyanM they definitely changed functionality a fair amount; the announcement page covers both looks and function for sure
@bad_coder It might be interesting but I'm not sure how useful it will be really. You already know when there are no more by that filter because it will tell you
what would that knowledge be useful for, exactly?
also caching and timing play a role in what's in the queue at a given moment so I'm not sure how easy it would be to fetch that value (unless they also cache the value, making it... not so useful) each time someone loads a new review item.
I could see it being a relatively expensive query
also something to consider: do you show users the total number of items for that filter in the queue, or how many items are in the queue for that filter that the current user has not already skipped/reviewed?
the latter would be quite expensive indeed
 
2:35 PM
^ is that too rude to rollback?
 
I have edited it out. I don't know what they got angry about
 
They are still angry it seems
 
Yeah, I don't know either. But they edited it again. Now it's rude.
@SurajRao OP added in some code. Is it clear enough what they're asking now?
 
oh ok.
@SurajRao can this request be removed? OP added code . @TylerH
 
2:51 PM
 
Is this a question? ()
 
I only have two questions under my user, both of which are closed and are 1 year-old. They just got down-voted at the same time. Is it ok to mod-flag for an investigation or it's not justified?
 
@JeanneDark It looks like a question, but it doesn't look to be like one that shouldn't be closed. Lacks way to much detail to be able to provide an answer.
 
Thanks
 
@Tomerikoo Wait 48 hours, the serial voting reversal bot might automatically reverse the down votes. If it doesn't, then mod flag or use the contact us and explain. Mods can't do anything really in these cases so they will forward it on to a CM.
 
3:05 PM
@NathanOliver My guess is that it's enough to be considered serial, but I might be wrong. The rep loss doesn't really bother me, it's just that every once in a while I get this double down-vote on my only two poor questions :( Quite frustrating...
 
Could be worse. None of my questions age well ...
 
I don't think the reversal script will catch them. I think mods can at least check if they are from the same user (but not which user) and then decide on whether to escalate to a CM or not.
 
I get it. It's most likely serial voting, but give the reversal bot a chance to fix it before asking for people to get involved.
 
That's interesting, one of them just got another down-vote... Now I'm suspecting a whole conspiracy against me!!! Nah, just kidding I guess I should just leave it be... Doesn't worth speculating and growing white hair for that...
 
@Tomerikoo Well, if you will insist on rejecting suggested edits by those with downvote abilities, what do you expect? ;-P
 
3:09 PM
Could also be the friendly comments when voting to close or flagging as NAA etc.
 
... I had a similar, near-simultaneous pair a day or two ago. Auto-bot doesn't catch them unless there are 3 or more.
 
@AdrianMole I should ask a few more questions so next avenger will activate the script ;D
 
They are probably aware of the 3 or more system.
 
I guess you need > 4 votes to activate the script
 
@JeanneDark Probably... What I suspected as well... Meh...
 
3:12 PM
Look at it this way: If you don't get the odd spate of revenge downvotes, then you aren't doing your curation properly.
4
 
@AdrianMole That's a very positive and encouraging closing statement. Thank you for that! I feel much better, even proud! :)
 
Or use a sockpuppet account to ask questions ;)
 
But the only reason I ever ask questions is to show how cool I am and get some quick Unicorn Points. ;)
 
@Tomerikoo 2 downvotes will definitely not be caught by the bot. That being said, if you're active in moderation/content curation, expect your questions to be a constant source of downvotes due to it being a cost-free grief vector
@AdrianMole 3 or more alone isn't always enough, either
 
@TylerH Yeah - there are other conditions. But 3 in quick succession will normally trigger the alarm.
 
3:17 PM
I've had a 2 vote down vote lead to a reversal via the bot.
 
@AdrianMole Are you sure? I had 3 serial voting events with 4 upvotes in the span of a minute or so each time and the bot never caught them.
 
6-8 down-votes surely activate the bot no matter what...
 
@JeanneDark Maybe the bot also makes an overall assessment of the target posts' quality? In your case, it might have considered them worthy downvotes. xD :-P
 
@AdrianMole Would then have an even greater incentive to undo the upvotes, wouldn't it? ;p
 
@AdrianMole yep, that's true, if they're all within a minute of each other usually 3 is enough, but sometimes (for unpublished reasons) it doesn't. Could just be a glitch as well for all I know.
 
3:21 PM
Lots of seekrits in the system bots.
 
Worst experience I ever had was Dec 26th last year (happy Christmas to me?) when someone downvoted 8 of my questions in a single minute
that was reversed the next day, luckily
 
@TylerH Almost certainly this user to blame for that one!
 
:-)
 
Worst experience I ever had was a serial downvote spree that I only noticed 6 to 8 days later.
 
I only got my first group of downvotes (probably because I only have one question and it's only received single downvotes) on 3 answers last week. That wasn't reversed automatically.
 
3:23 PM
Rene has a nice tactic. Don't look at the reputation change and you won't see any revenge downvotes
 
Not sure if this is the right room, but I wanted to bring the following question to your attention: stackoverflow.com/questions/38486069. It should probably be locked, because there are many answers pretty much all saying the same thing.
 
Can question bans hit high-rep users? Like if all their (few) questions end up with (big) negative scores?
 
Well, following the last attack I currently have one with -3 and the other -1. I didn't yet get any warning
 
@AdrianMole Are you volunteering? ;)
 
@AdrianMole I don't see why not. But I guess their questions would have to be atrociously bad.
 
3:27 PM
@AdrianMole sure, if the relevant score for you is negative
 
@Julia Not if the "revenge downvoting" we've been discussing causes those negative scores.
 
@AdrianMole Yes. The question and answer pool are separate so you could get a ban.
 
@AdrianMole From what I've seen, no. The question and answer bans are weighted against your history. If you're 1 rep with 5 closed questions, you're likely banned. But a 20k user has a ton of answers to weight against
 
@AdrianMole it will never be confirmed but if you are above 1,5k or so I think you're okay.
 
@AdrianMole Doesn't the system protect against that?
 
3:28 PM
I R/A flagged this question, but it's not rude in its current version (rude content was edited out by another user). Should I retract my flag? Raise a custom flag?
 
@Julia I have protected the question, but locking isn't justified here. People can still come up with alternative answers
 
@cigien I would say retract
 
@Machavity That makes sense. It would be bizarre, indeed, for a "Trusted User" to be banned from asking questions.
 
@Dharman Makes sense. Thank you!
 
@JeanneDark Ok, I'll do that, thanks. Should I raise a custom flag as well?
 
3:29 PM
@cigien The way I understand R/A it means that the post has no useful content and should be removed (the only exception being other users attacked directly)
 
@cigien Well, theirs is a bad question.
 
@JeanneDark Well, they didn't name other users, but they were rude towards other users in general.
 
@NathanOliver I have seen 20k users rate limited, but never with the full-on Q ban. If you're not a mod, you probably can't tell the difference, tho.
 
@cigien The question was ok, and the comment could simply be removed
 
@cigien it is "resolved" until it gets rolled-back or edited in again. So retract is the best thing for now. Click follow to keep an eye on it.
 
3:31 PM
I posted an answer to a question, so technically I'm "involved" with it. But after many additional problems by OP through comments, OP has still failed to produce a MCVE which would help determine the cause of all the problems. This situation isn't uncommon. With my deleted answer and lack of interest in the question, am I still forbidden from asking ?
I'd think that the "involved" rules are for those that have a conflict of interest in having the post acted upon
 
@CertainPerformance yes, sorry. Rely on the cvq to do its work.
 
I thought a deleted answer doesn't count as involvement.
 
thanks. it rarely does, unfortunately, due to the sheer size and lack of reviewers, as we're all aware
 
@AdrianMole really? Who comes up with those complex rules?
 
@cigien I also flagged it and went to retract following this discussion, but it was already marked as helpful... Meh
 
3:33 PM
@rene Fuzzy ROs?
 
@cigien See Cody's chat messages. (Btw. if the OP engages in a rollback war there'll be an automatic flag raised too)
@CertainPerformance It's fine, you're no longer involved and can post a request
 
@CertainPerformance I'm wrong. If you have a deleted answer you're exempt from that rule for cv-pls request. : socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-requests-youre-involved
 
@Tomerikoo Hmm, yeah it was. I think in the future I'll retract red flags, when the post is in a "resolved" state as rene put it.
 
FAQ rule #15: "For questions and answers: You are "involved" in the question and all answers to the question if you are the author of the question or the author of any non-deleted, non-community-wiki answer on the question."
 
Ah, that's helpful, thanks
 
3:35 PM
@AdrianMole thanks for staying focused ...
 
@cigien In that case you can mod flag. Those revisions aren't acceptable
 
@TylerH Well, foremost you'd have a gain in transparency. (Transparency can be invaluable.) Then, as I said in the post, it would allow a small group of interested users to have a clue (however approximate) of the average workload in whatever tag combo their interested in - (strong argument: being able to fathom is a lot more interesting/motivating than having no idea).
 
@Machavity Ah, that was my feeling as well. Thanks, I'll mod flag when the history is rude, but the post is fine in its current state.
 
That post is handled BTW. No need to flag it now.
 
Yeah, I figured it was handled when my flag was handled.
 
3:42 PM
Finally the cache arguments, I don't consider exactness to be the main aim. Having a rough estimate is pretty good (a lot better than having nothing). Besides a lot of stuff is cached already (like the red dot, view counts, last seen, etc...) it's still better to have a cached estimate than no clue. (As for the skipped issue, I think a user can already see total count per queue E.g. even if he skipped the only post in the queue.) That's still giving you more info, than no info whatsoever.
 
@JeanneDark Hmm, once again I'm confused by Cody's take on classifying and dealing with rude content. In fact, the linked advice seems even odder as Cody tends to err more on the side of treating content as rude. Personally, I would say calling users "idiots" in general is rude. In this particular case, the user used stronger language (repeatedly), so it was pretty clearly rude.
 
@bad_coder Need more info on this; what value do you gain by knowing that number? Transparency isn't really the right term here; it's not a process or deliberation that's being hidden, just some sum of arbitrary conditions (this filter plus that tag, etc.). Likewise, what's the value of a small group of users having info on the average workload in said tag combo?
@bad_coder if accuracy isn't important, what isn't good enough about accepting "there's no more than <size of queue> questions in the queue, less some because they're probably not all this kind question"?
 
@cigien That's mostly because moderating posts is a bit different from moderating comments, but for these things YMMV and opinions may diverge a bit.
Still, Cody's message is a good rule of thumb.
 
@cigien But what if Cody doesn't handle your flag? ;) I think it's the same as with the other standard flags that you should use them if it's clear from the post what is wrong and a mod needn't know any context. If it's not obvious, a custom flag is the safer option (eg. in the latest case the rudeness was hidden in the edit history)
 
3:48 PM
@TylerH ok, lets think per-tag combo. Say you got a number of Python-Pandas fans, and/or Python-Django fans in some chat room. And they decide: "lets not let the CVs age away, how much needs to be done?" If there's say a "moving average" of 40-50/week, they can get an estimate and thus a reason to mobilize. (That's a lot more objective than: "lets hit the review queue not having the slightest clue what's in there and if our votes will amount to anything." )
 
@JeanneDark What I meant was that Cody's message implies (at least to me), that no flag was needed in case of a user calling downvoters "idiots", and that content could just be edited out, which I'm not so sure about. I absolutely agree that a custom flag is better than a R/A flag when the situation needs context like the revision history.
 
@cigien I agree it was rude and repeatedly see but imagine a mod sees the R/A flag and then looks at what seems to be a normal question. Maybe not the best question ever, maybe not even on-topic but also not just gibberish or an anti-SO rant or something. They might decline your flag.
 
@JeanneDark We appear to be violently in agreement on which flag to raise ;)
 
@cigien Maybe he meant a single meta comment in a question. I could imagine Cody also agreeing about the current case being rude and custom flag worthy.
 
@cigien Generally, if that happens only once and in a way that does not invalidate the question, it is not worth calling the mods. Roll it back, and modflag if they keep bringing it back.
 
3:55 PM
@TylerH Value is small group of experts having a tangible reason to mobilizing on their tags and get their CV job done. I mean, it's pretty dissuading not having the slightest clue...!! Again I'm not hanging on any tag (library/language/tool) that has a workload that would require objective mobilizing. But if you're getting 100 CVs/week, the reviewer is left without the slightest clue about the volume which I think is seriously demotivating.
 
On the other hand, I've seen high reputation users doing this, and that convinced me to modflag isolated incidents anyway, since they should know better.
 
I think, for a single edit with rude content, that a mod-flag is probably not required, as that can be readily handled by the Community. But if rollbacks are undone, or more rude edits are made, then a custom flag would be far better than a plain R/A.
 
@JeanneDark Ok, looking at the message Cody was responding to, it appears that I once edited out content that was rude against a specific user, and I definitely shouldn't have done that. I guess if it's generally rude, i.e. not against a specific user (and only mildly rude) and it's not a repeat offense, I'll edit it out, and only mod flag if it escalates beyond that point. Seems like a reasonable strategy for now. Thanks all (@AdrianMole @E_net4couldusemoreflags as well).
@E_net4couldusemoreflags Yeah, I agree with that. Holding high rep users to higher standards is a good principle I think.
 
@TylerH since we're at it lets get really crazy: Imagine having an extension of "custom filters" that gave total count of queue items per filter item. Now that would be neat.
 
4:15 PM
@bad_coder So your argument is it will let some users have ammunition to convince even more users to start reviewing in the queue? That seems like ...odd motivation. Another issue is the queue size is completely arbitrary; if someone is reviewing with the end goal of "empty the queue" then they're always going to be disappointed. There will always be more posts to close. And users should be reviewing because posts need curation, not because they wanna see the queue hit zero.
Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to see this metric, I just think you'll need some great justification since it will be not actually that useful and potentially costly (let alone the dev time)
 
C++ SMEs, any preference for which direction I hammer these questions? 1 and 2.
 
@cigien I like this one as being the canonical.
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, the accepted answer is much better. I'll go with that one, thanks.
 
4:47 PM
Is this the right place to ask about getting a question re-opened?
 
@SnailCadet Could be. Are you involved in the question? (Is it yours, or do you have an answer?)
 
It is mine, and I answered it
 
Then, unfortunately, it's not allowed for your to request action in here. Sorry - rules.
 
@SnailCadet If it is your own question, then you can ask what you can do to improve it, but this room does not permit requests about your own posts or ones you're involved with (e.g. a request for your question to be reopened is not permitted).
 
@Makyen That's something, would love some suggestions: stackoverflow.com/questions/66496020/…
 
4:55 PM
 
@SnailCadet I've removed the noise. I was wondering if the tag shouldn't be added as that is basically the core of your problem.
I've cast a re-open vote so it goes into the re-open queue for sure. Now you need 2 more voters that appreciate the current state.
 
@rene thanks for your attention
 
@SnailCadet I've the feeling this is a duplicate of your question: stackoverflow.com/questions/25691114/… and if it is not probably one of the other questions that Stephen Cleary answerd is.
 
5:10 PM
@rene I've read that one; if my question reads as a duplicate then it definitely isn't clear enough
 
@SnailCadet it helps if you include posts that you read already. That prevents me and others spending time finding them and referring you to them to no avail. Anyway, let's see how it ends.
 
Some Python Pytorch SMEs in the house to give opinion on that? Personally it seems lacking MCE but I have no clue in pytorch and that might be enough?
 
@Tomerikoo that question gave me confusion matrix ... so, yeah, no idea.
 
Wouldn't want to waste my last close vote for the day ;) Any offers?
 
@rene Do you recommend linking to other posts with like, a quick blurb about why that other post doesn't answer my question?
 
5:18 PM
@SnailCadet yes, that is mentioned in this FAQ article and in the checklist
 
@rene thanks for the tip
 
@rene Isn't async-await like 90% of the problems?
 
@Braiam all the World problems you mean?
 
@Tomerikoo It doesn't need one.
 
6:16 PM
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Q: Conflagrate [Comma]

WarcupineThe tag comma I think should be burninated. Does it describe the contents, is it unambiguous? In a sense, the contents have a comma somewhere in there. It is ambiguous because knowing there is a comma is wholly worthless to the actual question. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?...

 
6:26 PM
@mck I was going to ask if there was a reason you didn't vote to close this question, but I suspect that it's because you're out of close votes, given that you spent most of your CV in the CV queue earlier today.
 
6:42 PM
Domain name allowed as username on SO?
 
Users have very large leeway in their names. AFAIK, it's fine.
 
@Droid yeah, that is allowed. Just don't pretend you're a Droid. That causes all kind of problems ...
 
mck
@Makyen Yes I am out of CVs... should have kept some for myself later in the day
 
@mck np. That happens from time to time. :;
 
Can you create a page that disallows the user agent to search the text? Have any of you heard of that?
 
6:55 PM
@Droid there are a couple of cases where displaynames are discussed, here is a recent one: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361486 but also meta.stackexchange.com/questions/353287 so your mileage may vary. A domain name by itself is allowed. Once it gets into NSFW or even darker then it doesn't matter if it is a domain or not, then just a flag post of yours and ask a mod to have a look at the profile.
I have flagged display names before. Not all of them lead to an helpful flag.
 
This is a programming related question? (OP put an answer too)
@rene thanks for this. This is rreally helpful :)
 
hard to tell, but OP definitely needs to add more details at the very least to make it on-topic
right now it's woefully lacking
 
@Droid It seems to be a support question that they got internally, but that their own documentation covers. But "dotnet Report Builder is a tool that allows .NET developers to add Do-It-Yourself Ad-Hoc reporting features to their software without much coding and some simple configuration" doesn't seem like a programming task.
 
@Braiam That sounds like what most of us call "an image". :;
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But, seriously, it's not possible if you're actually sending text. It is, however, possible to make it substantially less convenient to search while still supplying text rather than an image. Some sites add a handler for Ctrl-f and other keys (e.g. F3) which might open/activate the find dialog in the browser (some do this just in the misguided belief that the on-site search is what the user wants to use). However, these don't prevent the user from using the browser's menus to access "find".
Another possibility is obfuscation of the text (e.g. sending it as reversed and having CSS reverse it, and/or Unicode; and/or use alternate Unicode charcters which are not as easily searchable; etc.).
 
just Draw the text on the Canvas ...
 
7:10 PM
Yep. I'd intended that to be included as a subset of "image". However, painting it on a <canvas> requires transmitting at least the strokes, if not the actual text, which might give someone more to work with than an actual image.
 
@TylerH You misrepresent my argument (in your1st sentence) FTR I didn't bother to write anything quotable. No, having a metric that allows to divide-and-conquer and quantify by sub-problem isn't meant as a tool for users to "convince" others. Also, forget about the word "motivation" its use on SE makes it nothing but a buzzword, see Psychologism.
Your counter-arguments also fall in the next sentences when you say: "users should be reviewing because" (why "should"? They have no obligation.If you keep the queue as a "black box" + "job doesn't get done" that's the only necessary argument). In final analyses, if not improving and let review work potentially go to waste isn't enough you've basically argued against every law of engineering.
 
@Makyen fair enough
 
and that's the part where cost/benefit comes in. If a reusable durable tool isn't worth implementing to leverage SO's fundamentally greatest problem (keeping the CVs expedite and scalable) then I have to say all the alternatives I've seen mentioned are simply worst.
 
@bad_coder What do you mean by "small group of experts having a tangible reason to mobilizing on their tags and get their CV job done" if not "let some users convince other users to CV"?
@bad_coder You're not parsing this correctly. "Users should be reviewing because" means "users who review should do so because", not "all users should be reviewing"
 
@bad_coder Now you're just heading off into hyperbole. It's unclear if what you've asked for will actually help (seeing just how large the number is will be demotivating for some people). You're arguing this as if your idea is the best thing since sliced bread and implying it will solve all woes. What you're asking for may, or may not, be helpful overall.
I'm not saying that your idea is either good or bad, or that it should, or should not, be implemented. I'm just asking you not to blow it up to be the end-all be-all of what should or shouldn't be worked on by SE.
 
7:29 PM
@Makyen I'm sorry, I didn't mean for the argument to come across like that. Don't take it too seriously, I mean TylerH was making a counter-argument and that just naturally lends itself to an escalation in argument...It was for the sake of argument (I try to do it sparingly.) At the end of the day I care more for the room's good environment than for any argument.
 
@bad_coder np. Maybe it was just how I was reading things.
@bad_coder Personally, I find the information you're asking for to be interesting. I like being able to see it from time to time. At least for smaller tags, a close approximation of what you're asking for isn't all that difficult to obtain by just fetching all the questions in the tag from the SE API and filtering based on having any close-votes. It's not an exact representation of what's in the CV queue, as it doesn't take close-flags into account, but it's a fairly close approximation.
 
@rene I hate you...
In this particular case, I was able to select the text, but not search it, which was wild.
 
and I love you so remember that when you write your testament
 
Also CV closure rate is not SO's fundamentally greatest problem; we closed nearly half a million questions on the site last year... that's plenty. A much bigger problem is the system guidelines (or lack thereof) in asking so people don't ask so many bad/off-topic questions in the first place.
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I believe Tyler that that problem always existed between the ask page and the keyboard.
 
7:42 PM
@Braiam I <3 U 2 ..
 
BTW, I'm thinking that the tab was broken. Another browser is able to search it just fine.
 
@TylerH by system-design, the steady-state analyses is a stream of VLQ Q's and that's not going to change (except for a sub-set of users who "get into it"). So the problem is adequately handling the stream in the feedback loop (CVs and Dels).
 
@Braiam Good old pebcak
 
@Braiam lately you arguments are amusing because they always remit to person and make humor of the user/human. (It's an improvement over prevalent arguments that tended to completely overlook there's a person behind the users actions.)
 
@bad_coder I try to blame the sin, not the sinner ;)
 
7:59 PM
@Braiam IOW, concupiscence or "human nature" as some prefer. (But by resorting to classic terminology we risk alienating readers who -for whatever reason- might be adverse to it.) NB, I use the words in the broadest possible sense.
 
8:30 PM
@Makyen You are right about this, and I make your words my own. I'll try to conclude, if you read the 9ºth highest thread on badges that's where "motivation" became "a thing" and entered discussions. (With its powerful intrinsic/extrinsic polarism). However, we should overlook the C.S.Lewis reference - and the classic Philia analyses.
@Makyen Instead, a Durkheimian approach is in order: "what has served a social function?" You'll see over a 10 year period nothing came of the psychological analyses, instead you've had 100k's posts about the tooling. So, if any law had to be extract it would be: "give'em tooling they'll use it".
@Makyen That's the way to escape debates that go in the wrong direction. Notice, otoh, that any problem in tooling became an endless generator of never solved meta discussion. So, that's why I dislike being called to justify in the order of psychology what is only adequatly explained by other methodologies.
 
8:50 PM
 
9:01 PM
Have we had any cases where a user has said something like, "can this question be deleted for a day so that it's not caught by plagiarism scanners, and then undeleted afterwards?"
"I'm aware that the answers are helpful to others, so I think it would be OK if the question was undeleted after my teacher has scanned online."
How would you respond to such a request?
 
The real catch is that deleting it from SO does not prevent it from being found by a search
 
@gparyani I would contact their teacher and provide a link to the post. ;)
 
9:49 PM
@Machavity Most of that answer only addresses permanently removing the question. A good follow-up question is, "can't you delete it for just a day/week, and then undelete it later? won't this solve the issue of keeping around info for other audiences since it will later be undeleted?"
 
10:05 PM
@gparyani I think that's largely covered by "Moderators will not assist you in covering up evidence of academic dishonesty. The only basis on which we will delete questions is the value they provide to this site."
 
@RyanM Another potential follow-up: "But I didn't commit any academic dishonesty! I was allowed to ask for help online. I just don't want it to be false-positively recognized as plagiarism from an external source as I'll then have to go through the trouble to show that I'm the one who posted it."
I think what I'd say in the first case would be, "your teacher reserves the right to run a check again at some point later, at which point your undeleted question would be caught."
 
I assume this is a case where they'd asked for help debugging a specific issue with the solution?
 
Yes, that would be one case
 
Since otherwise I'd think it'd still be plagiarism. It'd be odd to have a policy of "you can copy solutions off the internet, but only if you, specifically, asked someone to post them"
I think my responses are a combination of what you said about not knowing when the check will be run, the note about it likely already having been scraped (I doubt the plagiarism checkers are removing Stack Exchange content if it's deleted from the site, given that it wouldn't be hard for them to figure out that people try this), and the general "The only basis on which we will delete questions is the value they provide to this site."
And also this is generally asking for several people to suffer inconvenience (users having their answer temporarily deleted/rep temporarily lowered, moderators having to remember to undelete and/or explain the temporary deletion) all so that the student maybe doesn't have to explain something that they allegedly were allowed to do to their professor.
 
10:24 PM
Well, that was cute :) Telling the OP of a question in French that SO is an English only site, in Spanish.
 
@RyanM I know. But I don't know French. However, French is relative to other Latin-derived languages, so they understand each other well — T.S. 57 secs ago
 
@cigien I thought all foreign languages were the same - well, equally non-English, so what's the difference?
 
If only there were some Latin-derived language that Stack Overflow uses.
 
At the least the advice wasn't wrong. I guess it doesn't really matter if the advice was incomprehensible ;)
 
@RyanM Note that while we can get the general idea due context, most of the time we can't understand each other.
 
10:29 PM
@Braiam To be clear, I was giving their reason, not agreeing with it. I personally speak enough languages to be well aware of that. :-)
Specifically, I speak enough of enough languages to know that I can't guess the rest just because they're Latin-derived
(I'm only fluent in English, but I can read enough Spanish to get the gist of most things, and I know very basic German)
And I know that I can't read Portuguese at all despite knowing a bunch of Spanish, for instance.
 
@RyanM Ceepius Sharpius?
 
@RyanM The first answer was fine, it was the question's fault. Frankly, if they go around answering questions asking for suggestions on GUIs, they'd be doing us a favor with the "recent activity" :)
 
@AdrianMole 🤔
@cigien I believe this was a reply to this for anyone wondering
 
@RyanM Yes, that's correct. Sorry for not linking or mentioning the context in my message, that does look weird on its own.
 
11:29 PM
I assume that saying (mildly) rude things about Microsoft doesn't, of itself, qualify for a red flag ... as here. Definitely NAA, though.
 
@AdrianMole I edited out the unnecessary commentary, after all, everyone already knows MS stinks! :)
 
hehe
Where's tink when there's a stink?
 
11:50 PM
@AdrianMole Just my opinion, but if it's mildly rude (i.e. no obscenities, etc), against a corporation, then it's fine (i.e. definitely shouldn't be flagged). In fact, I don't even think it has to be removed. e.g. editing that to "this shows that MS products are poor quality" would be ok.
 
@cigien I disagree, that's just someone's opinion, and has no place in a programming Q&A site. After all, we close questions that might elicit opinion-based answers.
 
Hmm. Not sure that the edits have made it not NAA, though. But I removed my flag, just in case. Does it not just reiterate the other answer?
 
@gparyani Mods won't delete it. Seriously, someone yesterday mod flagged their own question with "Homework question", as if we'd suddenly go "Oh crap, they skirted the rules!" and delete
 
@Nick So long as there's an answer, I don't see a problem with sharing one's opinion as well. To put it another way, if I removed that content, and the OP rolled back, I wouldn't press the point. Also, I feel (and I could be wrong about this) that which user states their opinion matters as well. e.g. if Jon Skeet were to say that in an answer, I'm not sure users would be inclined to edit it out just because it's an opinion.
 

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