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12:34 AM
 
12:46 AM
that's the second post I've seen with enter code here prepended to every line of code...how is that even happening?
 
2:28 AM
@TylerH any thoughts on this post? I was surprised no one had suggested it.
 
@bad_coder I like the idea, though I'm not sure if it relates to the visual design changes, since they didn't really touch that functionality. It might be better off as an independent feature-request.
I'd certainly find it interesting. I'm less clear on how actionable it would be, but I'd at least enjoy having it :-) I'd upvote such a request.
 
@RyanM good point! There are several post with tag:feature-request (yes, arguably most were UI). When the devs think it should be posted separately they say so in the comments (a few such cases).
Perhaps more to the point, the functionality is probably already implemented and just needs to be integrated into the UI. Could be a game-changer.
 
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5:07 AM
How the Community user choses the duplicate? ^
The question is on , it was closed against target
 
@Double-expresso It means the asker accepted the duplicate
 
Non-sense... I guess as a gold-badge holder I can re-open and re-close with an appropriate target unilaterally, right?
 
I imagine so.
 
5:22 AM
Ok, thank you
 
5:37 AM
@Double-expresso As a gold tag-badge holder, if a question with the tag you have a gold badge in is already closed as a duplicate, then you can just edit the duplicate-target list to change the duplicate-target(s) to whatever questions you want, up to five questions. You don't need to reopen and reclose the question.
 
@Makyen Thank you. That seems much seamless than re-open/re-close action, of which, of course, I wasn't aware
 
np
 
 
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9:15 AM
please delete this request
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null on request
 
 
 
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10:37 AM
Is this an answer?
 
@Yatin Hardly
 
Thank you :)
 
 
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12:09 PM
Migrate to codereview.SE? stackoverflow.com/q/66501915/2943403
 
@mickmackusa No, it's too broad even there. Let it be deleted.
 
12:43 PM
 
1:25 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ haven't seen you lately.
@HovercraftFullOfEels why does this lack focus?
 
@bad_coder I reported it as "needs focus", since it is basically a GMTR-request.
 
@Turing85 I didn't see that report ?! :O
 
@bad_coder I edited my message. I wrote "needs details", but meant to write "needs focus".
 
@Turing85 ok, (are we talking about the same post? The one I asked about wasn't posted by you. In any case, that is probably a duplicate, but needs focus is somewhat of a stretch..)
 
1:44 PM
@bad_coder yes, we are. @HovercraftFullOfEels posted it here before me, but I had it open aswell and did not re-post it.
 
@bad_coder They are asking about a multi-step Java process: 1) JSON to Java POJO, 2) Bubble sort Java 3) Java POJO back to JSON. They did not show code or indicate where in the process they were stuck
@bad_coder How would you say it has adequate focus?
I am truly bewildered
 
2:01 PM
@bad_coder ?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Lack of effort isn't a close reason. The JSON -> POJO can reasonably can be considered trivial (data conversion = +/- 1-step). The bubble sort on a field is pretty much canonical. So if closing at least try to find the lad a couple of canonicals or something (I don't see how simply "lack of focus" can be sustained there, unless it's a 1rep bias.) IMO, fwiw.
 
@bad_coder Where do you see me stating "lack of effort" is my close reason? I stated that the OP is asking about a multi-step process and is not indicating where in this large process they are stuck.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels or perhaps you are flabbergasted :D
 
maybe
 
2:08 PM
possible
 
factible
 
3:28 PM
@bad_coder Well, since september last year, I hang around in the c++ tag and here regularly again. But I miss a number of well known people here since my outage ;-)
 
 
4:35 PM
I'd probably have much more reputation every time the OP accept my duplicate flag.
# (there's already a meta post about that, so I'm just saying. If OP accept the duplicate, then there should be no room for flag abuse)
------ Unrelated: Why is the question linked from How to deal with questions that ask about complete basics? - Meta Stack Overflow deleted anyway?
Meta effect, I guess. But there's no down vote on the meta answer.
 
@user202729 I don't think anyone knows what you are talking about. That question and the one is closed against to are not deleted.
 
@Braiam The linked question on main.
 
5:00 PM
@JeanneDark Not everyone. I am not saying that
 
5:22 PM
@user202729 no meta-effect, roomba got it in the end: i.stack.imgur.com/4ZWKK.png
 
It can be hard for people to understand meta because the linked questions keep getting deleted.
@rene Okay thanks.
 
Then the questions linking to deleted questions need to get deleted too ;)
 
@user202729 I've added a screenshot to that meta post. Thanks for bringing it up.
 
 
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Hi folks
Happy corona arrest :-)
 
Hi too
 
So, how you're doing? What did I miss the last 2/3 years ;-)
@πάνταῥεῖ I actually prefer macros over templates :-P
 
@too I am doing well, ty. I don't believe you missed much. It's still the same as every new year's spring season (Feb - April): All of the freshmen are asking the same questions as did their predecessors in the previous year. I am afraid, it's really completely hopless, to put any real efforts in there.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Why does that not surprise me? Sounds like I should stay away from the question market for my own good.
Nevertheless, good to still recognise some names here.
 
6:59 PM
I am mostly closing and deleting inappropriate and unuseful content. Answering sparely.
And comments like dried tumbleweed ...
 
Yeah. I got another inbox notification today. Being bored to hell, I thought it might be a good idea to check the messages of the last years since my last login. I'm curious if I'll get replies now for my new comments (all firnedly like a tame rat, of course)
 
7:11 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Yepp, same carp as every year.
 
Well, what students can actually learn here is, that they gotta move their asses, to do research and debugging on their own in 1st place.
It helps a lot that I stopped drinking. Better general control over myself and others ;-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Who are you? You are not πάνταῥεῖ ! Way too optimistic
@πάνταῥεῖ Drinking or other drugs was never my problem (seriously).
 
@toohonestforthissite You mean like this? Nope :-D
 
It's more my overal impatience and a low tolerance to ignorance. Had to work on that the last 2 years in a a large "agile" automotive project.
@πάνταῥεῖ LOL!
Yeah, that could be a voting slogan for Die Linke.
 
@toohonestforthissite That can wear people down, yes.
@toohonestforthissite Put in any of your preferred political parties :-D
 
7:20 PM
So none actually?
I just read the telepolis article, hence my pick.
 
All of them just eager about earning their "fruits" from the pandemia.
@toohonestforthissite Does Unzicker still write there BTW?
 
after all, that project improved my English skills quite a bit (I think).
Haven't read much of him recently I think since Florian Rötzner resigned end of last year, they seem to become more PC, too. But still there are good critical articles. At least better founded than most RKI and MiniKo stuff
 
@toohonestforthissite Just FYI: The tag syntax is [tag:cv-pls]
 
@Makyen: Sorry, was just a typo (had them correct the lines before). But thanks for the reminder :-)
 
7:45 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Actually I think it would be more helpful to fire those teachers/lecturers doing miserable lessons. From my experience in C at least, scaringly most are just bad at their job.
 
@too Do you remember @ron? He wrote beginner level books for c++ and c meanwhile, and completely changed from development to coaching. He's gotta lot respect due from my side.
And of course really useful beginner levels, not that stuff you see here posted by OPs, what their insane teachers think is a good way to learn programming.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ The name rings a bell, but my memory has seen better days. If I had any idea how to get into coaching without being bound to stuff like MISRA, etc. I would be really interested, too. Have some other ideas, but with the increasing heap of regulations for hardware products, it becomes more and more impossible to sell actual stuff, unless you are Siemens or some other bank with EE-department.
I tutored myself some years ago for an embedded C class. But those folks were more interested to watch youtube than the whiteboard. Otoh they also did not like my attitude not to provide handouts, but really require them to follow the lesson and think for themselves. Do I need to mentione the exams were accordingly?
Please remind me: Do we close code-only answers without explanation, etc. as low-quality? stackoverflow.com/a/66509699/4774918
 
8:05 PM
I find learning by YouTube incredibly hard. The only thing when I am using this media as a learning source are lectures, or scientific podium discussion formats (rarely less than 90 minutes).
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I didn't say they were learning from YT:-( At least not C.
 
I am trying to get into Blender for instance, and most of the tutorial stuff are videos of course (for reasons I can even follow). It's a torture for me, because I have to watch my TV, and my laptop at the same time, and while I am trying to find that recent magic keyboard shortcut, the video is 5 steps further already, and you get hopelessly beyond.
 
They seemed more intereseted in their next car or so from what I got once. Well, that was a private Uni and most had a more "capitalist attitude" towards money and diploma ...
 
Ah, so even worse XD
 
Apart from the undeterminable quality is with video-tutorials that I can't just skip the chatter and get to the point. But that seems to become more and more true for written tutorials, too. And that's not just for programming, etc, but also e.g. for game walkthroughs, etc.
 
8:15 PM
@toohonestforthissite Books are way simpler to handle, and more sustainable in mind. Even eBooks or textual oriented webpages are.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Sure. Btw. I prefer eBooks anyway since years.
 
@toohonestforthissite It's not that long ago I bought an eBook reader myself, and a new tablet too.
I am using the tablet a lot for just handwriting notes all the time.
 
But normally, I just get the specs for stuff and dig through it. Sure, I get a lot of stuff I don't need at the moment while searching, but way too often I experienced I need that at some later point anyway and then I will find it much easier on the next grep.
Nah, I still use pen&paper for notes. I can't make much sense of them months later anyway, so no need for tablet. And editing digital graphics is still more cumbersome than on paper. Worse: it is more interruptive to my flow of thoughts.
 
With a good pen enabled tablet, I find it even easier to use than paper. I can write, sketch what I want just if I'd do it on paper. I find that quite neat.
 
As it suits you:-) For me, using a computer for such already forces my to do it perfectly and e.g. selecting the tool (text, circle, line, etc) is already interruptive. Confessed, this is likely a matter of habituation, but so far I did not see reason to change that. But the game-breaker for me is simply that I cannot just have multiple sheets visible at the same time. Ok, I don't want to buy 10 tables just for that.
 
8:41 PM
@toohonestforthissite I first tried with "real" graphics tools also, that's in deed quite tedious (at least for perfectionists, I am either one ;-) ). But since I've got an app, that really looks and feels like a college-notebook, it works very well for me. Noteworthy that you shouldn't use a capacitive pen device with these, that certainly feels different from a ballpen, and is imprecise and tedious to do handwriting or sketching. It's simply too slow then, and the time lag is too big.
@too Ah, and BTW, if I nee precise plots and formulas, I am using mathcha.io. Nifty web application, feature rich (and cheap).
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Interestingly, I used my old Palm-II and IIIc frequently for this and also wrote a lot of notes, maintained my calendar, etc. Since I gave up on them (battery and - of course - resolution), I changed back to paper-stuff for notes, etc.
 
@Dharman Uhhh, these smell already :-P
 
My Smartphone is not really an alternative, the Palm with DateBook4(?) was just unbeaten from a usability view. Sigh miss it.
 
Smell?
 
@Dharman: I suppose he means the title already has quite some haut gout .
That's at least my impression without even opening the link.
@Dharman: You are aware your edit removed my close-vote from the post, are you?
 
8:55 PM
What? That is not possible
 
Problem is the edit did not improve anything about the question
It is - apparently
 
I can still see your vote.
 
Maybe rules have changed, but IIRC, cl-pls posts should only be edited if that gets the into shape.
 
The edit wasn't meant to imrpove anything, it was a rollback
I don't recall any such rule
 
Hmm, me too, but the index at the "close" button disappeared from the question
 
8:57 PM
:O strange
 
Indeed. Anyway, maybe you can cv that, too. Does not really require C knowledge to decide.
 
@toohonestforthissite Your close-vote is still there, assuming we're talking about this question.
 
Check the timeline of that question, to see what actually happened. Your CV should have been recorded there @too
Browser back button?!?
 
@Makyen: I meant the "(1)" right of the "Close" Button under the question. But After I opened the link again, it seems it'Äs back. Maybe that was just a hickup or so. Sorry @Dharman for the confusion.
 
Sorry, it's only recorded in the TL, if it went through ...
 
9:03 PM
I don't know, but anyway that question looks quite ok for me. I see no reason to close it
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It looked as if there was no CV just on the question main page, not the popup. But seems everything is fine again.
 
@toohonestforthissite The issue regarding editing was that it is preferable that people who have not either close-voted or flagged (other than custom mod flags) the question don't edit the body of the question after the question is closed, unless the edit makes the question reopenable. If such an edit is made by someone who hasn't close-voted or flagged (not including custom flags) the post, then the question is pushed into the reopen queue without any chance of it being reopenable.
Such an edit also consumes the question's one entry-by-edit into the reopen queue, which means that a subsequent edit by the OP which does make it reopenable won't push it into the reopen queue.
 
Fine, waffles for everyone.
 
@toohonestforthissite Yep. np. Such UI hiccups happen from time to time.
 
@Makyen: Thanks for the detailed explanation. It's been a while, so bear with me :-)
 
9:09 PM
@toohonestforthissite np. There's a lot of details to remember for optimal use of the site. It's unfortunate that SE doesn't just iron out some of those, so the site works more smoothly without having to remember such things.
 
@Makyen: It's as always: implementing new features is much more fun than fixing bugs. So until forced by some game-breaking stuff, no one cares. Should I mention "Agile" here?
I recently had an agile Embedded project. My, that was real fun all the way down.
 
9:26 PM
@tink: Why not "general HW/SW"?
 
@toohonestforthissite From what I've generally heard over the years, it's not even that the devs aren't enthusiastic about doing such work. It's appeared to be more a direction, or lack of direction, from management. For the specific issue of when to not push things into the reopen queue, it's appeared that there are people in the chain of control who are too focused on not wanting to miss the extremely rare occurrence where a low-rep user edits someone else's question to the point of making it on-topic.
While that can happen, very rarely, I believe it to be much more common that a random minor improvement is made which wastes the chance at a subsequent edit by the OP being reviewed.
Unfortunately, the powers in charge feel that the solution to that is to have every edit push the question into the reopen queue, rather than just those by the OP. That position ignores the other negative effects of pushing a lot of useless reviews into the reopen queue.
 
@Makyen: Briefly: "be very very very very ... very nice" :-\
sigh
 
@toohonestforthissite Best simply to shut up completely at all, and click through the buttons.
 
Why do I have a deja-vue right now?
Hell, why am I here today anyway, they rised curfew here just yesterday. I'm really getting old.
 
Because we've both been nasty, and we know it ;-)
 
9:34 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I still consider this a matter of viewpoint. However, I don't intend to start fights here anyway. It's simply not worth it. If nothing else that's what I learned when at a discussion with project managers and colleagues who seemed not even to be able to spell "C" and "C++" correctly about the problems unit-testing C code with a C++ compiler for a high-safety project.
 
@toohonestforthissite to make a point about what the said.
 
@tink I see. But that makes it more difficult for statistics. Not sure though if it matters (and not really caring, tbh :-)
 
Heh. Fairy nuff. Same here ... either way would have worked, but I prefer to be specific if it's possible, and the tag seems to be to the point in this case ;)
I guess I could have picked "General HW/SW" and then created a custom message; but I'm lazy by nature - the hallmark of every good SysAdmin ;)
Anyway - time for a bit of trail running, done enough sitting and typing.
 
9:52 PM
@tink: As I have someone from the other side here: How's the Corona situation in NZ?
 
Very chillaxed ... we had 1800 odd cases total, hardly any fatalities. Today we're going from alert level 2 back to 1 (and Auckland from 3 to 2 after some cases cropped up two weeks ago). The inability to do international travel aside life is pretty normal here.
Ooops ... I seem to have lost track (that's how normal it is) ... a total ~ 2400, 26 deaths stats
 
Hmm, I asume as a European, I currently wouldn't be very welcome right now? Hell, I'm tired of these fake actions here. You know the definition of insanity by Einstein (at least it's often said that's from him)? "When failing try the same again and expect a different result"? Our politicians seem to want to break the record for that.
 
Not many foreigners get let into the country atm .... and yes, I know that one well. And I sympathise ...
Whereabouts in Europe are you? Anyway ... I better get going before the sun gets too strong ;)
 
@tink Germany.
Problem is the official numbers sound heavy to some degree, but the politicians and media "forget" to weight them with the demographic factor that we have now more then 1Mio >80 yo than in 2015 for instance. And other omissions of facts. To be clear: I don't had a problem with restrictions, etc. if they were reasonably argumented and openly communicated.
 
Yeah, the gov's communication "strategies" are a singular catastrophy. I am backing that.
 
10:22 PM
@toohonestforthissite Hello, welcome back!
 
@halfer Thanks! Good to see another name I know is still here
I hope you're fine?
 
@toohonestforthissite Good here thanks, notwithstanding the ongoing pandemic! We are still fairly locked down in the UK, and while I'm keen to follow the science, being able to go to someone's house or a cafe would be rather nice :=)
Managed to get some good contract work though - just finished a test automation project, and started on some lambda stuff, which I am new to.
 
10:39 PM
@halfer Well, as it seems in Germany we have a lot of that AstraZeneca vaccine in stock. Looks like not even our Minister of Health (and selling patient data - inofficial subtitle) wants to get this into their veins. Maybe we can make a deal? ;-)
Lambda like Lambda-probe in cars? Interesting. I had my first automotive project during the last two years. Luckily I could avoid AUTOSAR mostly
Test automation sound nice, as long as the basis is Python, not Labview or even VB(A)
 
10:53 PM
@toohonestforthissite I have to say, I don't really understand some of your cv-pls requests. That question doesn't look unclear to me. There are already some answers in the comments. Also, your reasons are non-standard ones and it is difficult to pick the right one.
 
@toohonestforthissite While I understand your frustration, please avoid things that are about users in request reasons (in this case about your perception of their attitude). Also, please avoid using bold formatting in your request reasons.
 
In fact, it looks like you provided an answer already. That answer should be posted in the answer space, not as a comment. Comments are used only to ask for clarifications
 
@Dharman: Yeah, the reasons have chang4ed, so some could be in two of the new cathegories, hence I leave it to you to decide. Teh reason picked by me (or others can be seen anyway, so no real loss. Regarding answers: Not sure about your usual tags, but in the C tag it is fairly common answers are posted even for completely OT questions, so I would not consider this a valid reason not to close.
One known problem with a reputation system is that people rather answer to get the reps instead of close which does not give any (or is my memory wrong here ?)
@Makyen: Understood. Sorry.
 
@toohonestforthissite np. Thanks for understanding.
 
But in this case the question is clear and has a clear answer from what is seems. I really don't understand why should we close it.
 
11:00 PM
@Dharman Re that particular question: It is completely unclear why the asker wants to use ´void *´ at all. Why not a ´float *´ which would provide the requested type-safety. Such questions are a common indicator in the C tag they don't understand the underlying problem -> XY
 
By that train of though we could ask them why they want to use C at all.
Just because there is something else that the OP should be doing or using doesn't mean the question should be closed
We don't have a close reason for XY problems
 
@Dharman: first of all, a comment is not an answer. Also I'm not suere which comment you refer to, mine - like the one before just explain that the question as asked does not make sense (hence the cv-pls). The other one is about C++ which is a different and unrelated language which has intentionally a different behaviour.
 
This is not a comment, it is an answer. It is not asking for clarification, it is explaining how things work and why the answer is no.
 
@Dharman It is not ours to question their choice of language. Not only this would most likely result in a long discussion and explanation (bot not suitable for comments, less answers). It also would very likely end up in a dogfight about the "perfect" language without knowing the circumstances well enough. (I very well include myself into here)
 
@toohonestforthissite As for that question specifically, the question appears on-topic to me, even though what they want is, IMO, misguided. There might be a duplicate, but it doesn't appear inherently off-topic or unclear.
It might be considered too broad, in that it's asking about all "major compilers (gcc,clang)" without clearly limiting which compilers are being asked about. However, that could be resolved by just editing the question to be explicitly about one or two compilers (or maybe a short explicit list, given the nature of the question).
I agree that it's likely that what the user is asking about probably indicates they are asking an XY question, but the question they have actually asked appears on-topic and clear. It would be reasonable to explore in comments what the user is really trying to resolve, while answering the question asked (and, once answered, not permitting the user to morph the question into something else).
 
11:06 PM
@Dharman: No, it is a comment. Not asking for clarification, that's right, but I just explain why the question is pointless as-is.
 
@toohonestforthissite Here in the UK I believe the whole of the NHS data has been given to Palantir, known more for their work with the security services and arms contracting work. Creepy isn't the word for it.
 
^ What Makyen said. I would even be willing to vote to reopen it once it gets closed
 
The UK is pretty much run by self-serving crooks at this point, and they don't even hide their corruption and self-interest.
 
@Makyen: I dare to disagree :-) Without more information, it is an XY problem at best. OP wants type-safety using a type which is unsafe by definition. As I suspect, they want somethiong different actually, but without more information it is unclear what.
@Makyen @Dharman If a compiler would warn, it would be against the standard (as detailed in the comments).
 
So why can't that question be answered with what you just said?
 
11:11 PM
@toohonestforthissite That's a perfectly reasonable bit of information to include in an answer. To refine what I said a bit: actually, I'd consider it important to include that in an answer, rather than just inclusion being "reasonable". :;
 
@halfer Wow, that's even worse. Here we traditionally sell our health data to Bertelsmann (and associates). At least that's a (more or less) resident exploiter.
@Makyen That#s why i cv'ed it. I don't see (the question and) an answer would be helpful for future readers without more information. Basically why Op not simply uses the correct type for the pointer. I somehow suspect a type-punnig approach via pointer (which is UB), but there is too little evidence so far. And the last sentence "I want it for safety, and I'd silent it with an explicit cast if needed." supports my suspision there is something fishy even more.
I mean, if I want safety, why not use the correct type in the first place.
@Dharman I repeat: because the question does not make sense. Without further information the stated intention (type-safety) contratdicts using ´void *´ already.
 
@halfer I thought you had left the EU? :-\
@halfer Could as well have stayed then. Our healt ministore is currently also subject to some vcery fishy deals. What makes me most sorry is that 10-20 years ago ministers stepped back for much les worse reasons. If not integrity (a politician?) , they had the decency to nto continue their job, but this particular one has even chances to become Chancellor in autumn. Oh, brave new world ...
 
11:33 PM
@toohonestforthissite mein Beileid =/ ... and I totally agree. Then again I sometimes think that our Jacida, bless her, is too heavy handed and too quick in her reactions ... but what do I know. For me personally I'd be OK if I caught COVID and karked it ;)
 
@tink Interestingly, my mother (approaching ca. mid 70ies now) also does not worry much. And many older people have the same attitude of "I had a good life and if it ends, it ends". After all, average life-expectany in DE is ca. 81 years, average COVID deads' age 83. I mean, I feel with everyone who had a relative died from COVID, but they could also have from any accident, smoking, etc. Alone the latter killed more people last year than COVID. They completely lost the relations.
To cite a common sentence: "We start dying right after birth". That's life, accept it or ... well ... don't be born ;-)
 
Indeed ... the annual road toll around here is roughly twice that of COVID deaths to date. No Kiwi would consider not going out to prevent those. Weird nation ;)
 
Hehe
 
Funny how I still know the syntax tricks in the chat after2-3 years
@tink Make it a weird world
 
@toohonestforthissite too late, it already is ;D
 

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