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12:17 AM
@bad_coder Is it better now?
 
12:36 AM
@Dharman yes it is, you can retract your vote in case you've cast one.
@Dharman thank you for letting me know, with the amount of CV's I'm casting there's no way I can follow all the posts...
 
You can ask RO to remove the cv-pls from here
 
@Dharman I suppose all the RO's are enjoying the weekend, it's been a few hours since I've seen one.
 
Rene has been around ~2h ago
 
@bad_coder Please move to dev/null OP edited including MRE @rene
 
@bad_coder I think Makyen never sleeps ;)
 
12:52 AM
@Scratte haha so I've heard, I want to spare Makyen if I ever come across a serious problem I'll ping him.
 
I think serious problems goes into flags, no?
 
@Scratte actually I wanted to apologize to you for 2 things. First, I sent that video with a remix and the imagery was poor. Reason was, remixes always have that theme (I only noticed 1 minute after posting, and on youtube there were like 40 vids of that song, but only 2 didn't have a feminine theme... :(
 
Unless it's "Oh no! Argh! I'm out of coffee! What to do?"
@bad_coder ?!? The video with the song? It was a good song though, the one without the remix :)
 
@Scratte Second, I sent a link to a poem by the an author that's considered the second best writer in the Portuguese language (you can check youtube there's hundreds of folks reciting that poem). Problem is, the translation into English starts with a word "licking" that somewhat surprisingly a synonym to "taking a beating" or "going through difficulties".
 
Come to think of it, there's a Danish pop song I like to hear sometimes. There's only one video and the image is quite poor, but it's the only one there is.
 
1:00 AM
@Scratte So that leaves room for ambiguity and misunderstandings, I really try to avoid that when I post. So, after writing all of this, just in case, what I wanted to say is: I'm sorry.
 
I remember reading a poem, but I can't remember the words of it. No need to be sorry at all :)
 
@Scratte thanks...I really enjoyed the music folks shared here. Especially the Hungarian quicksort dance was brilliant :)
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1:15 AM
@bad_coder OK. This was a big hit in Denmark in 1993 Hvorlænge vil du ydmyge dig? Which means "How long will you let yourself be humiliated?" It's both a sad and a happy song.
 
@Scratte In german: Wie lange werdest Du (ydmyge is unintelligible to me) dich?
 
ydmyge means humiliate. Google translate says demütigen
They say she was such an awesome singer that she could do the songs for the album in just one take.
She didn't have an easy life and I suspect the band members wrote the song for her, about her. Which makes it kind of ironic that she sings it so well :)
Unfortunately less than a year after the release of that song she died 26 years old of cancer.
 
@Scratte the video is really cool, very uplifting. Outdoors, social, flooded with light at the beginning, and a myriad of colors alterning with b&w. The singer is really good, it reminds me of a kind of Rock from the US, perhaps Whitney Houston and gospel.
 
Yes. She is kind of the Whitney of Denmark, though it lasted for just one album. Her father was a musician and played with some big American artists.
 
@Scratte ydmyge : demütigen=nicht möegen -> that must come from the common root "mygen" which might mean "mögen". hence admyge means "sehr mögen", or like a lot
 
1:26 AM
@Vickel mütigen actually suggests coming from the root mut, like in samftmut (meekness).
 
@bad_coder it's just the pronunciation, which is nearly the same "mygen" (say it loud, the Norse way) and "mögen"
 
@Vickel the word humility comes from latin "humilitatem" the alternatives are more used in Germanic.
 
I didn't know who, but apparently her father played with "Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix" source Death: Philippa Bulgin
 
@Scratte legends
 
@Scratte it's a pity she died young. It's somewhat amazing when singers grow to parents that are musicians, two recent example are Sia Furlow and Norah Jones.
 
1:34 AM
Yes, sometimes it really works out :)
 
user14090664
who died
 
@tommy99 A Danish singer back in 1994.
 
user14090664
ok
 
user14090664
how can i be a mod
 
1:50 AM
@tommy99 hi, hope this helps: stackoverflow.blog/2009/05/18/a-theory-of-moderation anyway, it's off-topic here, please check: socvr.org/faq
 
@Vickel Not sure that's what they meant :)
@tommy99 Do you mean how to curate the site or how to become a diamond moderator?
 
@Scratte how can i be a mod that blog shows pretty much all about user moderation, from little to diamond
 
@Vickel I was looking for the requirements for nomination and the entire process though :)
 
@Scratte I was going to make a snarky remark :) to be a mod you must:....
 
@Scratte admyge :)
 
1:58 AM
ydmyge :)
 
^ come on
 
It can be used as in English. "I was humiliated. It was horrible" or "I feel humble in the presence of these great moderators in this room :)" Or the meta version "I humiliated a humble moderator" :D
 
@Scratte I'm off SOCVR for tonight, thanks for the chat and get some sleep @Vickel :)
 
Come back soon :)
 
o/
 
2:43 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
3:14 AM
What to do with this question? Self-answer clearly says that it is dupe. But it has an active bounty. Is it a good idea to mod flag it to remove the bounty and close the question as dupe?
 
3:27 AM
@Yatin makes sense
 
@desertnaut Ok... let's hope it goes well :)
Helpful :)
 
@Yatin told ya ;)
 
Thank you :D
 
3:48 AM
np
 
I wrote an answer to a question yesterday (the question was asked yesterday too). Today it is closed as being "Not suitable for this site". Can I link to the question here and discuss the closure?
 
@Yatin this is a chat room, and I guess chat rooms are exactly for discussion
it's not that you request any actions
 
I was referring to this question. I don't understand why it was closed. Matlab questions are on-topic right?
Or is this the case of closure due to a wrong reason? The question might need some focus...
 
Well, it was magically reopened!!!
 
4:01 AM
Oh great 😁
 
In no case the Q was a recommendation request, as stated in the reason for close
 
I can't see the close reason right? (being less than 2k... Or was I not looking in the right place?)
 
If you could not see that it was closed as a recommendation request, then you cannot see the close reason :)
don't remember the exact privilege now
 
Ok 👍 Thank you :)
Ok 👍 Thank you :)
 
4:18 AM
@Yatin While the close reason is not shown to you, it is possible to obtain it from the SE API, while the question is closed. Once the question is reopened, it is no longer available to you.
 
Oh, interesting. 🤔
@Makyen So I guess that is how Unclosed Request Review Script can see delete votes while I can't
 
@Yatin Yes, the count of currently active delete-votes for questions, but not answers, is available from the SE API.
 
Oh cool. I always wondered how that worked. Thanks :D
 
np
 
4:51 AM
I asked the editor about the latest revision of this Answer. While they did format the link, it seems very odd to me. Is this considered a properly formatted link?
 
@cigien Personal attacks need to be mod-flagged. If that was just something like, "All these idiots downvoting", then editing out is fine; that doesn't specifically need moderator attention. But it was directed at @Dharman, so I think that definitely needs moderator action.
@Dharman You voted to close their question, the same one they posted that as an answer to.
You've also interacted with them before, leaving comments about SQL injection, their answers being non-answers, etc. They probably remember.
Either way, when it gets personal like that, a mod needs to know. I've stepped in in this case already.
@Scratte You can practice by typing out questions and answers ;-)
For what it's worth, I pretty much agree with what cigien and halfer have said. Your feeling of "powerlessness" really resonates with me. But I have some bad news for you: when I really started to feel down and powerless with respect to Stack Overflow is when I decided I had to stand in a moderator election. :-)
 
@CodyGray Nice try, but most of that is figuring out what to type :D
@CodyGray But you have something that I don't. You can type 120 words per minute ;)
 
@Lankymart No objection to your linking to it in comments, and I agree it might be helpful, but I don't think that is a productive closure. If you don't think that the code in the question is sufficient as an MCVE, I'd rather close it as that. Or a different duplicate.
@Scratte I also have glasses. Does that matter?
 
5:09 AM
@CodyGray Nope, but you think fast. And from where I'm standing, you don't make a lot of mistakes. Even if I don't always agree with you, you're very clear about your reasoning. You're also very good with words. You're an excellent moderator.
 
@bad_coder That's not an uncommon meaning of the word "licking" in English. "Take a licking and keep on ticking" (meaning, to be tough enough to absorb stress or damage and continue operating).
@Scratte You may be somewhat less eloquent (or, really, just less forceful) than I am, but you are not all that far away from your own description of me.
Being fast isn't necessary.
@Scratte Wow, that's one weird-looking word, at least to me.
 
@CodyGray No idea what to say about that. It made me smile :)
I've never seen it in German before. I know the English and Danish word very well though.
I was just about to show you what I see in the timeline :D
 
Yeah, I realized what I was missing. You can see that the question was closed, and for what reason, but only part of the reason.
Logged-in users see the same thing in the timeline. This is part of what they recently broken when redesigning closure. :-(
 
Yes, if it's closed for a site specific reason, that's all we get to know about that.
 
You need to be a moderator to see the specific subset of the "not suitable for this site" reason that was chosen. I do not understand why we are working so hard to hide that detail.
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It seems important.
 
5:20 AM
It is important. Does the post author at least get to see the specific reason?
 
@Scratte I think the person is saying that "here" is not very good link text, and that they'd prefer to see where the link is actually going to take them before they click it. I agree with you that descriptive link text is probably preferred, but either way is fine, both are better than just editing that to say "here".
@Scratte While it's closed, yes.
 
Ahh.. I see. I did wonder about the "this" link title.
 
Heh.. when one deletes one's own comments it doesn't even tell you that they're already gone :D
 
That kind of thing is OK when the link is truly supplemental, as in some of my Meta answers. But it doesn't work well when the link is an important part of the answer.
@Scratte If you delete a comment in the forest, and no one is around to hear it fall, does it still make a sound?
The deletion succeeded, after all. :-)
 
5:25 AM
Oh yes. If I open up 10 tabs with a post where I have a comment on, I can delete it 10 times :D
 
Surely there are better uses of your time and mouse clicks.
 
I only ever did it once, with two tabs. I noticed my comment, and I thought that maybe I had just imagined I deleted it, so I went and deleted it. Only to realize that I had already deleted it.
I have to be somewhere in a few hours, so I think I may need to sleep or something..
 
5:42 AM
If you've only done it with 2 tabs, how do you know it will work with 10? :-)
Yeah, sleeping might be a good idea.
 
Now.. I'm going to have to try it with 10, obviously ;)
 
 
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7:30 AM
Is this question asking for recommendations?
 
@Yatin Not necessarily IMHO. If the answer doesn't involve an "off-site" resource, then I guess it's fine.
... but I know little about Python.
 
 
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8:34 AM
@AdrianMole Thanks for the clarification :)
 
@AdrianMole You don't need to ;)
 
hehe
 
Replace python with whatever language you know that isn't specialized in data analysis (R, S, MATLAB, etc.) and you get the answer.
 
Agreed, I don't need to know any Python, either.
So, I just had to look up the language "S", and, to my surprise, I find: "The modern implementation of S is R...". That's weird and puzzling on many levels, not the least of which is that the letter R precedes the letter S.
I didn't know that history of R.
 
Wasn't C the continuation of A and B?
 
8:40 AM
It's regressive sort of succession.
 
Yeah, but C comes after A and B. If R was the continuation of S, it should be called T!
 
That would be a language template.
 
Also, you don't get to say it like a pirate. Very important!
 
This is a good point. Pirates are well-known for their love of statistics.
 
8:54 AM
Most of the R users I have encountered (in real life) have been French. It sounds very different in French.
 
All those "air" programmers?
 
Airrrhh.
 
I'm pretty sure an air programmer is someone who burns incense.
 
10:06 AM
What to do if someone edits a question but doesn't remove all mistakes?
 
@Yatin Is it a suggested edit, or someone with full editing privileges?
 
Full privileges...
 
Then there's probably nothing to do, other than perhaps fix the rest yourself by submitting an edit
 
Ok
 
@CodyGray Thanks, I really didn't recall interacting with them before.
 
10:11 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't have expected you to... I certainly don't remember everyone whose questions I review or interact with.
 
@CodyGray nvm another edit is waiting for approval
 
Ah, someone else wanted to fix those things :-)
 
I wanna fix all the fings.
 
@AdrianMole Fings ain't wot they used t'be.
 
10:27 AM
for sure
Hmm. Has it always been that you can't use the "Close" button in review when viewing the "Duplicate" tab? I have to keep going back to the "Question" tab in order cast my CV. Bug or feature?
 
People actually use the on-page tabs?
 
I've only started to recently - hence my confusion.
... it's actually quicker than opening up the link and then following the link to the linked duplicate link.
 
You can just middle-click the link in the comment.
 
OK, I was exaggerating a bit. But that still requires two clicks to get to the suggested dupe, and then returning to the review. The dupe tab(s) in review go there much more quickly. Just a shame that you have to go back to the 'original' in order to cast the CV.
An example (before I run out of review quota).
 
Browser tabs
Oh, the proposed main question for that one was b0rken. Handy that you picked that example.
 
10:38 AM
OK - I misused the word tabs. If I click the "Duplicate" button I can't CV from there.
 
Sorry, I was being too terse. I'm surprised to hear that you used the tabs/buttons on the HTML page. I thought everyone just opened the two questions in different browser tabs, which can be done simply by middle-clicking the link to the master question while you're in review.
 
@CodyGray But that's another skeleton-packed closet. All these duplicate chains.
@CodyGray Didn't know that. But I also don't know how to middle-click on my touch-pad! {face-palm}
 
@AdrianMole Remove your hand from your face, and then use it to hold down Ctrl.
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole click with two fingers?
 
hehe
 
Zoe
10:42 AM
or three?
Really depends on the touchpad
 
Or all ten
 
Zoe
Or, you know, get a mouse :p
 
I'll give you two fingers, huh!
 
@AdrianMole Ctrl+Click
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Why stop there? Why not use all 42?
- touchpad board meeting 2020
 
10:43 AM
It works everytime, 60% of the time
 
Two fingers gives me a right-click, BTW.
 
Do you have a physical right button?
 
No.
 
:-(
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole try three
 
10:44 AM
Sorry - yes, but I never used it.
 
????
You've never used the right button?!
 
@CodyGray Tapping is more "intuitive"
 
No. It's just decoration.
@Zoe Three does something different - gives me a Windows start-ish menu thingy.
 
I can't stand that tap-to-click business. I am always doing it accidentally. I turn it off on every computer I use, which apparently drives nuts the coworkers who share laptops with me.
They are wrong.
God invented physical mouse buttons because he is not evil.
And then gave us thumbs!
 
Zoe
@CodyGray yeah, if you're not pissing off some coworkers, you're probably doing something wrong :P
 
10:46 AM
I mean, really, if you're tapping with the same finger you're using to track, what are those stupid-looking thumbs for?
 
@CodyGray He's currently being sued by Microsoft for making that bold claim.
 
Zoe
building the trackpads, duh
 
Trackpads are extremely helpful (in allowing you to order a mouse).
 
Zoe
It's like the internet explorer of pointing devices
 
@CodyGray You get a very bad or old OS. Most disable the trackpad when typing.
 
10:48 AM
Haha, no, the problem is not when I'm typing. It's when I'm mousing...
 
Yay, AMD has no website :D
 
Usually, I'm not looking for the homepage of a company... they rarely say what you want.
 
Yeah, half or so of their pages seem to be broken
 
Maybe they rebuilt their back-ends with ICC? xD
 
10:58 AM
If ICC could build JavaScript code, that'd be pretty damn cool.
 
Well, that's certainly a minimal example... not sure about reproducible.
 
Where's Mr Skeet when you need him?
 
Working on some C# or Java
 
Not just now, I think. It's Sunday morning.
 
11:05 AM
Oh yeah
Well, you never know.
 
@CodyGray You mean writing the book on and see how wrong the committee get it?
 
He could have written the Java backend for his church's Sunday morning livestreaming.
 
Ah, well. You tried.
 
@AdrianMole He didn't say it was urgent
Ooohhh....it's gone now.
Sigh. Why do I bother wasting time editing these things?
 
Because you don't know if they will not delete it
 
11:10 AM
Because being a moderator isn't just about nuking posts and people. It's about leading by example and teaching new users how to be good users?
 
@AdrianMole Hahahahaha :D
 
How was that funny?
 
@AdrianMole antiphrasis
 
hehe
 
I even included the smiley :(
 
11:16 AM
Imagine if users followed my example!
 
@CodyGray I don't understand why there's no mentioning of sarcasms on that page.
 
@Scratte Technically, it's not sarcasm. A lot of people sloppily misuse "sarcasm" when they mean "irony". The Wikipedia article for antiphrasis does note that it is commonly treated as being a synonym for "irony".
 
Some of us are trying really hard to follow your example, but still didn't get past 40 wpm :(
I don't see "Fantastic!" is being irony when said just after seeing the 1000EUR dentist bill.
 
I remember hearing in ye olden days that one could not even get a secretarial job unless they could type 60 WPM.
 
I see that as being sarcastic.
 
11:25 AM
Yeah, that's a good point. The article should probably say that.
 
@CodyGray Good thing I won't try to be a secretary then. But when you say "not even get" then I think you're misrepresenting the job as being easy.
 
Well, secretarial jobs were considered to be low-level, relatively unskilled jobs.
We're not talking about a court reporter, after all.
 
I also think that perhaps my 10 EUR cheap keyboard is hindering me a little, though I think it's really just me, because it's a lot easier to use than old mechanical typewriters.
Argh!.. Got to go. Have fun :)
 
You should get a decent keyboard.
 
@CodyGray I feel I should weigh in somehow... being British "sarcasm" is a natural forte :p
 
11:29 AM
@halfer But...but... I can't close that with those beautiful looking tables!
 
@CodyGray Want me to mess them up for you? ;=o]
 
@halfer You wouldn't!
 
@CodyGray You're right, it'd pain me. Hmm, interesting - one of the answers on that Q turned out to solve it. I thought it was turning into a guessing game.
 
That doesn't prove it wasn't a guessing game. It just proves someone won. :-)
 
Closing for "Needs details or clarity" can get a bit odd if/when somebody posts a good answer that is accepted. But that just means they guessed correctly.
{ninja'd}
 
11:36 AM
If the guess is accepted (i.e., proven correct), the question should be edited.
 
@CodyGray Now they are called assistants...
 
@Braiam How does that work for, say, the Secretary of State?
 
@AdrianMole Call them ministers
 
Zoe
Often used as the last word in the sentence "The US has too many ..."
 
I mean, we have one for youth, woman and culture and sports...
 
11:48 AM
@Zoe Which word are you thinking of? Ministers? Assistants?
@AdrianMole Assistant Assistant of State :-)
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Sure, why not?
 
Well, we don't have any ministers associated with the government, because we don't call it that. But...we do perhaps have too many religious ministers.
 
But who administrates the ministers? And do the minsters' administrators have assistants?
 
Maybe they have deputies?
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole Ministers administrate ministers
 
11:56 AM
Did you ever come across the UK TV comedy series, "Yes, Minister"? - That was based on the Ministry of Administrative Affairs.
 
I thought that was a documentary ...
 
hehe
 
@AdrianMole that's a classic... and the "The Thick Of it" was awesome as well
 
Oh, yeah! They don't turn 'em out like that any more.
 
@AdrianMole Yes!
I binge-watched episodes of that a year or so ago.
 
12:02 PM
Two great actors! Sadly, neither no longer with us.
 
There was a spin-off, too.
 
The UK "House of Cards" was pretty darn good as well... a little dark with some disturbing themes but enjoyable enough
 
@CodyGray Don't know about a spin-off. Are you thinking maybe of when he became Prime Minister?
 
Oh, I didn't know there was a UK version of House of Cards
@AdrianMole Yeah. I thought that was a spin-off. There was "Yes, Minister" and then also "Yes, Prime Minister".
 
The series was still called "Yes, Minister," IIRC.
 
12:05 PM
I didn't finish watching all the episodes of the latter.
Oh! And Wikipedia says there was a new series of "Yes, Prime Minister" that launched in 2013. (But I wasn't talking about that, because I didn't know about that.)
 
That's new to me, also.
 
@CodyGray oh? I had no idea... I'm only aware of the 80s stuff
 
@AdrianMole What do you mean? The Office!
 
@CodyGray Not one of my favourites, that.
 
Oh, hmm.
Neither the American nor the British versions?
 
12:08 PM
But it was popular. Just didn't click my buttons.
 
Maybe your buttons are broken?
 
If it were only the buttons, I wouldn't mind. ;)
 
Uh-oh, this is getting too personal...
 
umm... there was a good show on the BBC sounds thing a while back that had 4 episodes of the Yes, (Prime) Minister shows and a lot of commentary, but it's unavailable right now
 
Only available for the Welsh and the Scotts so they can have a laugh ...
 
12:15 PM
Currently streaming to the rest of the EU as a documentary on post-Brexit political life :-)
 
It is D-day today
or was it next Sunday?
 
Electoral College day is Monday
 
@rene think it's 6-8 somethings...
 
@rene You mean the day we decide whether or not to send Royal Navy frigates to sink French fishing boats?
 
yes
 
12:21 PM
Then I'm with Jon.
 
@AdrianMole That hasn't already been decided? Get with it!
 
And we'll use our brand-new aircraft carrier to wipe out the Luxembourg fleet!
 
@AdrianMole if it's still not springing leaks, right? :p
 
^ We don't actually have any aircraft for it; but, you know, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Leeks, maybe?
 
You'd have thought spending a few £billion building a ship - top of the list of requirements would be "shouldn't take on water and should remain afloat"... but... on the plus side - it does look quite fancy :p
 
12:27 PM
That sort of mentality is just so ... WWII.
 
@AdrianMole maybe it's actually secretly meant to be a massive submarine and that's why no one's bothered with aircraft for it :p
 
hehe
 
seriously though, I still wonder why we get rid of all the jump jets (sold 'em to the US or something - can't remember) and haven't just produced more modern versions of those
 
@AdrianMole we can offer some expensive euro fighters ...
 
@rene have any of those actually been produced?
 
12:37 PM
at least one or two prototypes
 
Oh... according to wiki - actually been used as well... 90 million EUR a pop - bargain...
In 1985 the estimated cost of 250 UK aircraft was £7 billion. By 1997 the estimated cost was £17 billion; by 2003, £20 billion, and the in-service date (2003, defined as the date of delivery of the first aircraft to the RAF) was 54 months late.[44] ... However, in 2011, the National Audit Office estimated the UK's "assessment, development, production and upgrade costs eventually hit £22.9 billion" and total programme costs would reach £37 billion
 
meh... £37 billion... drop in the ocean when one's country is currently £2 trillion in debt... :p
 
1:03 PM
Ahh... here we go bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55292890 @rene :p
 
@JonClements Sadly, state debt isn't the same as personal debt.
And I say sadly, because state debt is much more flexible, if it's on your own currency.
 
@Braiam yes... it's very complicated... :)
 
@JonClements as if there is time ...
 
@CodyGray Noted, I'll mod flag those. To clarify, can I also edit and leave a comment as I did? Or should I not do that?
 
@cigien You can do as you like. I believe we discussed this before: whether you want to get involved on a mod-flaggable offense like that is determined by your concern over possible retribution.
 
1:14 PM
@CodyGray Understood, thanks.
Just making sure there aren't additional concerns.
 
Nah. Just whether or not you want to step in it or walk around it. :-)
 
Like I said, I haven't been burned yet. When/if that happens I'm sure I shall reevaluate :)
@AdrianMole It's one my favorite TV shows. Also one of my favorite books :)
 
What's the book about?
 
Same thing as the TV show. British political hijinks.
The books came after, but they're better than the TV shows IMO.
 
Oh, so the books are just entirely new stories?
 
1:23 PM
TV shows tend to age less well than well-written books, IMO.
 
Not entirely. Though there's some new stuff as well. Of course, the books are different in that they can cover more of the characters' thought processes. It's all done through text though; journal entries, official documents, and such.
@AdrianMole True, though this one has managed to age pretty well I think.
 
Yeah, I think the production team on that one were especially good.
 
Yeah. Brilliant casting as well.
@tony19 OP added in code, and clarified the question a little. Could you check if it's ok?
 
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