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2:01 PM
@Dharman dunno can't have a look right now. Wife turned out bedside lamp, so I must as well. Gnight all.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels You need the asker to elaborate more? :-p
Maybe add some more examples?
 
I brought up this question yesterday (see request) thinking it was not really on-topic. But it was ignored. Is the question actually fine for SO and I erred?
 
@CodyGray errrr, no. They need to focus more -- ask a more specific and answerable question, one that does not involve creating a complete program for them
 
@JeanneDark No, it doesn't seem to be about programming at all. I VTCed as POB, though not sure if that's the best reason.
 
@CodyGray Do you feel that the question is salvageable? Or perhaps should have been closed for another reason?
 
2:15 PM
@cigien Thanks!
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Nah, joke.
Been a long day. My humor might not be landing.
 
@CodyGray: sorry. Haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet
have to head into work in a few too :(
 
I wasn't sure either, but the ":-p" made it clear :)
 
@CodyGray Don't worry!
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels You know it's the weekend, right?
 
2:16 PM
@cigien coffee
 
Indeed. I had espresso today, so I'm really on my game ;)
 
@CodyGray I know, but someone has to make rounds at the hospital on the weekend
and that someone is me
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels My understanding was that was why God invented residents.
 
@CodyGray: one would think, but in private practice, it doesn't work that way
 
This is how weekends work for me at least :p
 
2:20 PM
@cigien fun
 
2:36 PM
Nothing wrong with a maze I guess..
 
@CodyGray Thanks for hammering the second target in the dupe list here. But for the OP's question, the first 2 targets are not relevant it seems.
 
@cigien I believe they are. The first 2 targets are even more general. They discuss both by-value and by const reference, plus by rvalue reference.
The third target is, of course, virtually an exact duplicate.
 
@CodyGray Exactly, it's too general I feel. The OP has no && overload in their question.
@CodyGray Absolutely.
 
But that's OK, because the answer is the same.
It's OK if the main question is more general, as long as it includes the answer to the specific case.
 
@CodyGray Interesting. But a general overload resolution question would still be too general, right?
 
2:41 PM
I'd say so, yes. The targets I picked contain a direct answer to the question that was asked. They just also thrown in a third thing.
A general overload resolution question wouldn't necessarily contain a direct answer to the question that was asked, which would make it a less appropriate closure.
 
Yeah, that's reasonable. Thanks.
 
(I found the third target last, as you might see. Often, when finding duplicates, things get better as I go, not worse. I usually don't remove the originals, even though they may be a less perfect fit.)
(I also turn up a whole litany of duplicates, so I make several other closures while I'm at it. I usually have to cut it off somewhere, or I'd enter an infinite loop of dupe-closure, so I cut off at two levels down.)
 
@CodyGray Why not? If there are more appropriate targets that cover all needed ground, why keep the old ones?
@CodyGray Yeah, that's kind of my metric as well.
 
@cigien You've never noticed the psychological disinclination to delete stuff that you've created?
 
Haha, indeed. Understood.
 
2:52 PM
Besides that, there are a lot of answers. One of them is that I might decide to close that exact duplicate as a duplicate itself of the more general ones, and I'd prefer not to have a big chain of duplicates.
Another is that I'm lazy.
And most of the time I spend just fighting tabs
 
@CodyGray Yeah, that's the impression you give all right ;)
@CodyGray Wait I'm confused. So if you decide to dupe one of the targets in the list to another one in the list, the list sorts itself out?
 
I can't tell if that's said with outright sarcasm, or if the winky-face is just to avoid conveying offense.
So... I find the broad Q first, dupe the new Q to it. Then, I find the specific Q, add it as a dupe target. Then, dupe the specific Q to the broad Q. If I had removed the broad Q from the new Q's dupe target list, then the new Q would redirect to a question that was itself a dupe. I hope this make sense.
 
Outright sarcasm. Thought that would be obvious.
 
Well, no... I am kinda lazy.
 
Well, I'm lazy too in a sense. The kind of lazy that ends up with me doing a whole lot of work to make my life easier. Is that what you mean?
 
2:58 PM
Is this sentence grammatically correct: "The result set will always iterate from the beginning until the end."?
 
@cigien Haha, well, there's that, too. But no, that wasn't what I meant.
@Dharman Mostly. Except that the set probably isn't iterating itself (i.e., it isn't an autonomous agent), so technically, you'd need to say that "the result set will always be iterated".
 
thanks
 
@CodyGray Huh, surprising. I don't know you much, but from my impression so far I'm going to assume that's mostly self-deprecation. Feel free to prove me wrong of course :)
 
Stylistically, I'd have a strong preference for "the set of results", but I can't really explain why, and both forms ("result set" and "set of results") are identical grammatically speaking.
 
@CodyGray Why are you assuming that "set" is a noun? It could be a verb, where the "result" is an iterable thing. Unlikely, but possible, right?
 
3:02 PM
Uh... Not sure I follow that interpretation.
I can't imagine how "set" would be a verb there, unless you were saying something like, "The result will be set..."
 
Something like result = an_iterable_thing. Though I'd prefer "the result that is set will ...".
 
The set result
 
Ah
"The result that gets/got set..."
I see now
"Once set, the result will always be iterated from beginning to end."
 
Yeah. Though Dharman's "The set result" would be a better way of saying that.
 
No, but I meant that I have a set of results and I want to iterate over it with a foreach loop. The loop will always start at the beginning and end at the end
 
3:05 PM
@CodyGray Aah, much better.
@Dharman Ok, that's a noun. Ignore the verb version.
 
Reordering phrases is a criminally underused way of improving the clarity of sentences.
 
Haha, and I thought I was finicky about language usage :p
 
Kettle, meet pot.
 
A pleasure :D
 
I used to teach this stuff.
 
3:08 PM
Oh, English composition?
 
@cigien Nah, not that formally.
But I taught people stuff, and communication is important. And pedantry is fun.
 
Undoubtedly.
@CodyGray Not exactly. Why not edit the list after closing the Qs in the target list as appropriate? That would solve the circular problem wouldn't it?
 
@cigien Perhaps, but it makes the tab problem worse.
 
Oh, tab problems :p All right then. So my approach isn't wrong? Assuming I can live with the tabs.
 
Sure, that's totally valid
 
3:14 PM
Ok, thanks.
 
Opinions vary on whether more or fewer dupes is better.
Some would argue that a single dupe is best, if possible, because then it can directly redirect.
Others would say it's nice to have all of the relevant stuff there, so interested parties can become maximally informed.
I don't have a strong opinion either way.
 
Yeah, I'm in the fewer dupes list camp myself. I haven't given this enough thought to be sure about it. And I suspect it would be dependent on specific posts fairly often.
 
Should there be a comma here? "Returns an object with properties that corresponds to the fetched row or NULL if there are no more rows in resultset."
Or should I actually remove "with properties"
 
@CodyGray I've just VTCed half a dozen requests that you closed as well. My votes are wasted in that case, right?
 
@Dharman No comma. I assume you are thinking the comma would go before the "or"? That would only be true if what came after the "or" was a complete sentence (subject+verb), but it isn't in this case.
"Corresponds" should be singular, though.
 
3:19 PM
I was thinking of comma after "with properties"
 
Oh, no.
Almost never do you use a comma before "that" in English.
Unlike "which", which works very similar to "that", and which almost always has a comma preceding it.
 
An object that corresponds
 
@CodyGray Not necessarily. I think it's the "object" that "corresponds", not the "properties" that "correspond" in this case.
 
plural is correct
 
I was thinking: "An object whose properties correspond to..."
 
3:21 PM
So maybe I should remove "with properties" completely
 
Oh, also! This is one of those fun cases where you can rewrite it to avoid having to decide singular or plural: "Returns an object with properties corresponding to..."
This is why English is fun.
 
Huh, that's worse. Now there's no way of disambiguating whether it's the "object" or the "properties" that's the subject of "correspond".
 
Oh no... I got busy talking in this room and someone posted an answer before I got to VTC
 
@cigien Haha. Yeah. I mean, that's why it removes the decision from the author: it places the burden of interpretation on the reader!
 
:p Correct, but useless. That's what one gets with pedants.
 
3:25 PM
Curiously, it's also what one gets with pendants.
 
@Dharman Hmm, it got accepted as well :(
@CodyGray Fair :D
@CodyGray I definitely do. In fact, I just got a downvote on one of my earliest answers. Annoying, partly because it's accepted, and I can't delete it. Not that I would delete it, I think it's correct, but no one has deigned to leave a comment saying why :(
Now I have 2 answers with a negative score :(
 
@cigien I must link this. I cannot help myself. Reflexes.
 
Fair. And I've definitely read that, and I agree completely. Hasn't stopped me from being annoyed when it happens to me though ;)
 
Most of your negatively-scored answers are deleted. :-)
 
As they should be when they're wrong. I hope I deleted them myself when I found out. I don't remember though.
 
3:39 PM
Hi. New to the chat. I am reviewing a question on the Triage queue and have no idea how to classify it. Is this the appropriate place to ask for peoples' opinions or would it be better to post on meta?
 
@Connell.O'Donnell It's OK to ask for advice here. And it's always OK to ask on Meta.
 
@CodyGray Thanks. Here's the question. It has a dead link but other than that, it is not quite spam and not quite a real question. A bit of a strange one: stackoverflow.com/review/triage/27672327
 
@Connell.O'Donnell That immediately looks like spam to me.
Why would a question start with "If you can't obtain help...then..."?
It doesn't ask a question, and it contains a very prominent link.
 
Ok. I wasn't sure if it qualified because it doesn't really seem to be promoting the link, just offering help with a problem related to it.
I'll mark it as spam
 
Well, I would agree that it would be trickier if the post were posted as an answer. Then, you might think that it was a legitimate attempt to help someone. But since it's posted as a question... I don't see how it could be an attempt to help anyone.
 
3:44 PM
Okie dokie. Thanks for your help.
 
It's actually an audit. It definitely is spam, and it's already been handled by the moderator team. But it's good that you asked when you're unsure what to do. (And, of course, "SKIP" is always an option when you're unsure.)
Any attempt to flag that (either as spam or needing to be closed) would pass the audit.
 
Thanks again. I usually skip when I unsure but I'm trying to learn to improve my reviewing accuracy.
 
Absolutely. You're welcome!
@cigien This looks reasonable to me. Probably just DVed because it's the C++ tag and someone thought you were spoonfeeding a dumb question. For this, I'm not sure all the claims are true. I mean, I know what you're saying, but perhaps overstated. Those objects do exist at compile time.
 
4:03 PM
@CodyGray Yeah, the first one was too trivial. I'll take another look at the second one to see what I'm getting wrong. I'm implying "exists", when I mean "usable" for starters. It can definitely do with some improvement. And yeah, it's almost certainly a dupe.
Note that until about 4 months ago, when Adrian took some trouble to explain it to me, I didn't even know answering dupes was a bad idea. I actually have been meaning to go through my answers from April to June, and hammer, or even delete a bunch of posts I'm involved with. I should do that this weekend.
 
I see.
Perhaps Adrian did too good of a job explaining it to you? :-p
 
Well, it got me hooked on the idea of site-wide cleanup, and got me involved with SOCVR. I'm grateful to Adrian for that.
One thing that's been holding me from cleaning up my old posts is embarrassment. There are probably some real doozies there :p So I'm hesitant to look.
 
And you don't even have as far back to go as some of us do...
 
Indeed. I imagine if you tried to do something like that it would take a whole day at least.
BTW, if I cast a vote on a request here, and you do the same, my vote is effectively wasted right? Since yours is binding.
 
I suppose?
Not sure I like the "wasted" description.
 
4:13 PM
Well, sure, but if I know you're going to vote, there's no point in me doing it. Is "redundant" better?
 
You don't always know that, though
For example, soon, I should sleep!
 
Of course, hence the italics ;)
Oh, I thought you were based in the USA for some reason.
 
Yes. If you can read my mind and predict the future, then your votes are wasted. I'm satisfied with the phrasing under those conditions.
@cigien Probably because it's the truth?
 
Ah, ok. Odd time to go to sleep then. Far be it from me to judge, my sleep cycles can be pretty bizzare.
 
What did I do now? Good, bad or just plain evil?
 
4:16 PM
As usual, a combination of the above ;)
 
hehe - OK then.
 
Mmm, right, well, I'm given to understand that most people sleep at night. But if you stay up all night, when do you sleep?
 
Ah, if you want to sleep, you have no one but yourself to blame :)
 
For some reason, all I want to do during the week is sleep. During the weekend, that equation changes.
Maybe I can go to sleep when the low-quality questions stop getting posted!
 
Hmm, I tested it out. I knew you were going to close that but I voted anyway. Oh, well.
Maybe people are making requests because they know you're lurking :p
 
4:20 PM
One of these times, you're going to be wrong :-)
 
Well, I hope so. Otherwise things would get monotonous, and no one wants that :D
 
5:17 PM
I asked this one yesterday. Started as a duplicate, changed specification, now it's XY - stated problem insists on making the impossible (and would progress to invalidate any answer).
 
6:04 PM
@bad_coder I'm not sure what you mean. Are you changing your close reason? Note that it being an XY problem is not a close reason per se. Also, if the answer would basically be "no, that's impossible because ..." that would be fine as well.
 
@cigien it's a duplicate. Initially it was a duplicate of 1 Q, then the OP changed specification (there the question lost focus) and it now has 2 different duplicate targets...
@cigien and the question is also useless (needs massive editing).
 
I'm not an SME on this, so I can't say whether both targets are valid. I assume you're referring to the 2 links in the comments. Still, the question looks like it needs focus, which is a valid close reason.
@Dharman Is Typo good for that?
 
@cigien there are only 2 SME's on that tag. (Falls under a special SOCVR clause of "low traffic - few SME's"). If one of them says it's a duplicate, can't be done like that, votes to close...(there's really not much to add.)
 
@bad_coder Ok, but Too Broad is still valid, so I would go with that.
 
@cigien also true, it's a multi-duplicate that also lacks focus.
 
6:19 PM
@cigien no, there is no typo. I am not sure what's there actually. Unclear IMHO
 
@Dharman Ok, I was unsure because of your comment. It does seem unclear though.
 
6:43 PM
@cigien a complete answer would provide maybe 2 or 3 different alternatives (some are troublesome to explain) the OP would keep changing the specification and request debugs along the way. When you were done giving a massive off-topic explanation, the result would be along the lines of:"I don't want that..." So it's a kind of no-win scenario where no answer will do.
 
 
2 hours later…
8:56 PM
^ This is a mine for terrible answers. Why am I even fixing them?
 
^ What's a better duplicate for that?
 
 
1 hour later…
10:46 PM
 
11:29 PM
@Dharman Well, if you want recent duplicates, then you could use this one or this one. If you're wanting a canonical, then this one was the first exact duplicate, but this one was the first by anyone. OTOH, this one should also qualify as a dup-target (same, but just a different name). :)
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@Makyen Thanks, but these links don't lead me anywhere
@Makyen Unless... that is your sense of humor
 
@Dharman Strange, they all work for me. For me, each one points to a different duplicate. :)
@Dharman Sorry, I probably should have included a ":)" in that first message.
 
I feel rick-rolled, or more precisely Makyen-rolled
 
While I did intend there to be humor, I didn't intend for it to be as low as a Rick-roll. :;
 
LOL! They're all 14 :D Make it stop.. my cheeks are hurting :)
 

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