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4:00 AM
What?
 
Interesting keyword to match. There are 6.5k posts with that word :p
 
It's slightly with a slant. :)
 
@Scratte I would say more. italics are for emphasis...
 
The discussion does not appear to be a discussion which would be disallowed. It borders on stuff which is on Meta, but doesn't quite get there (or maybe I've missed something on Meta).
 
but it could be less too... slightly less slightly dependent on context...
 
4:01 AM
@Makyen Just to clarify, is that the ruling?
 
slightly less slanty than italics slighty or silghtly more slanty?
 
now I've slightly confused myself...
 
The ruling, baring discussion with other ROs, is that the discussion, so far, is OK. If the discussion is something that is directly something which has been on meta, and I've just missed it (here or on Meta), then it's not.
 
@bad_coder Since you invited Makyen to read our slight discussion, you should probably see the outcome :)
 
Don't slight Makyen with your italic slants.
 
4:04 AM
Is that a site slight?
 
@AdrianMole You most certainly did, and that's what I thought I was doing by posting a searchable list with even more obvious deletions than the first one that had a hand curated list :p Well, live and learn, as usual :)
 
@Makyen Nobody has asked for any action on things that were decided on meta. So we're safe there :)
@AdrianMole Slightly more slant would make the letter fall off the transcript.
 
@cigien Nae bovver!
 
@Scratte Yeah, that's one of the specific "don'ts".
 
@AdrianMole Shree speaks Telegu it appears :)
 
4:06 AM
Shree is cool! Ultimately cool! Don't even think about challenging that! :)
 
@Makyen There's of course also the meta room, but it doesn't seem to be very successful.
@AdrianMole Shree takes good care of Natty too :)
 
@Makyen Yeah, definitely guilty of that myself. Sorry, I'll keep a cooler head in the future.
 
@Scratte It was successful for a while, but, as I understand it, it kind-of both blew-up and petered-out. :;
 
@Scratte Nice doggy. Go fetch upvotes for me.
 
@AdrianMole Upvotes? That's you?!? All those upvotes on NAAs? :D
 
4:09 AM
@cigien np. It just looked like people were letting things get going just a bit too hot. Not a big deal. It calmed down at a good time.
 
hehe - I need stats.
 
@Makyen blew-up? I must have missed that.
@Makyen If I seemed hot, then I'm sorry. I wasn't actually, I just don't type very fast ;)
 
@Scratte Ahhh... no comment. I'm not familiar with everything that went on within that room, so I should probably stay out of it, as far as history goes.
 
@Makyen Heh.. you're always very diplomatic :)
 
It's bed time for me guys, lovely evening as always. I'll have to be careful the next couple of weeks not to spend too much time on chat.
 
4:11 AM
@AdrianMole Don't forget about the upvote ;)
 
nah
 
@Scratte I'm definitely not pointing any fingers at anyone.
 
Hmm Cody counted Makyen on one finger, so how many fingers does that leave for Makyen?
 
@Makyen I know. I didn't sense much heat. Just a fast conversation..
@AdrianMole That did not pass the Turing test..
 
@Scratte Yep. Just fast. Between the lines, I get the impression that people were starting to feel a bit out of full control of the situation, so a slow-down is good.
 
4:15 AM
Neither did Cody, if the rumours are true.
 
finger is usually available to everyone. :)
 
@AdrianMole You mean Cody is Smokey++?
 
@Makyen Can you clarify this a bit? Especially the "substantive" bit? I understand if it's purely subjective of course.
 
@Scratte I am many things, but not a gossip.
 
@cigien If something is being discussed on Meta, then it's a good idea to keep most of the discussion there, so that a wider group of people are able to participate. In addition, we can't make policy or form a consensus for SO here in SOCVR. We can decide on things for SOCVR, but not for SO. The earlier discussion in here, as I read most of it, is primarily about interacting with Meta, rather than covering what's currently being discussed there.
It was more of having a discussion about the discussion. Now we're having a discussion about the discussion about the discussion. :)
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4:21 AM
@AdrianMole If you haven't noticed, I tend to remember some stuff posted here, and I link to them later on. Is that gossiping? :)
 
@Makyen Note the opposite is not true: Meta is not restricted from making policy for SOCVR, if it chooses.
 
We are all servants of Meta. Meta is our Master.
Goodnight, fine folks of the Happy Room!
 
@Makyen Ah, ok that clarifies a lot. Yeah, we were talking about whether the meta posts were a good idea basically. We weren't really getting into the content of those posts. Tricky balance in general though, and I''m not convinced I didn't do something slightly questionable. I'll read the transcript again myself, and ask if I have questions.
@AdrianMole Goodnight :)
 
@AdrianMole Get some good sleep.
 
@Makyen Also, am I missing something? The only text I can see in the FAQ is this, which doesn't cover most of the points you made.
 
4:28 AM
@cigien There are other portions of SOCVR's relationship spread through the FAQ. It would probably be good to consolidate them. I'm not sure which points you'd like further information on.
 
@Makyen Oh, nothing in particular at the moment, I was just confused why that information didn't seem to be there. I'll go through the FAQ again, and compile all the stuff together, and ask if there's anything I want clarification on. And yeah, consolidating that would be good. I was going to respond to bad_coder earlier with a link, and couldn't find it.
 
@cigien I don't see anywhere where you went too far. There isn't a moratorium on discussing in here things which are on Meta (other than specific ones which we have in the past designated). The point is that discussion in here of the same topics as are being actively discussed on Meta spreads the discussion out to multiple places, which tends to not be conducive to getting full resolution, for a few reasons.
 
@Makyen Ah, thanks for checking :) So a decent metric would be time since the meta post was active? Relatedly, if I were to post an answer on the meta post, I should wait for a bit before discussing it here, or at least until discussions stop happening there?
 
@cigien I was not intending to imply that there was a specific "active" timeframe, unlike to cv-pls requests. The intent is to try to keep the majority of the conversation on that topic in one place, which generally is most appropriately Meta, once the conversation is there.
I need to be AFK for probably 15 minutes, or so.
 
@Makyen k
@Makyen No, you didn't imply that, it was just a thought I had, since it would be easy-ish to follow that rule. But yeah, it probably would be very context dependent, and so time would be too crude. The keeping discussions to meta intent does make sense, thanks.
 
5:07 AM
@cigien np. Yeah, it's not as easy to follow, but I don't really see a good way to have a hard and fast rule that allows for the flexibility which is really needed.
 
@Makyen Yeah, it seems to be very dependent on the specific meta post. And as far as wording in the FAQ goes it makes sense to be conservative, so that members err on the right side at least.
 
5:46 AM
@AlonEitan Just curious, do you leave that comment normally, or is it because the OP used it twice?
 
5:59 AM
@cigien No, actually it was a last in a series of bad questions and I guess I lost control. I removed that part because it's really irrelevant
 
@user1271772 I suppose that's possible, but I don't think that's actually the case. More likely, there is additional stuff added to the regex that is Stack Overflow-only. A lot of stuff, you'll find, is unique to Stack Overflow because we have weird, big problems.
 
6:19 AM
@bad_coder Please don't interpret what I do in here as suspending any rules. I'm a Stack Overflow moderator, but not an SOCVR room owner. Mostly because I do, on occasion, by accident/oversight, break the rules here, and I don't want to take on the responsibility of enforcing them. I'm obviously going to step in if something is going badly wrong, but don't rely on me to catch subtleties of SOCVR's rules, and definitely don't interpret anything I do as having changed/suspended those rules.
Ultimately, I agree with Makyen (phew, we're back to normal on that!). The main issues are: (1) SOCVR doesn't moderate Meta, and (2) discussion about site policies should, to the extent possible, be had "out in the open" so as many people see them and have a chance to participate as possible. That means that discussions on Meta should generally happen on Meta.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean that people can't talk in here about stuff, including stuff that has been discussed on Meta. (If we couldn't, we'd have nothing to talk about! :-p). That is one of the big advantages of this room: getting together people who care deeply about the site, and leveraging that to make the site better. None of us is as smart as all of us.
As always, if you see anything that makes you uncomfortable, whether it's me doing it or anyone else, then just raise a gentle alarm. Thanks for that.
 
6:39 AM
@CodyGray I didn't say: "you suspended the rules". That's wasn't even a figure of speech, it meant to convey that having a mod chatting tends to lead the conversation to places where it doesn't usually go. I suppose it's a dual effect of your persona and the diamond taken together. The subject was coincidental.
 
@bad_coder I see. I suppose I misinterpreted your original comment, then.
 
6:51 AM
@CodyGray That's just your style (being from the Lone Star state) to engage folks personally. Everyone fells flattered when they first get to know you to have a brief conversation with a mod for a couple of minutes, that's really friendly. (And perhaps part of your mod description since you're somewhat "of a mod spokesperson").
@CodyGray Last time someone took an "idea" from chat to meta it resulted in an ignored -1 post this time apparently it resulted in some polemic, who knows how these things get started...
 
@bad_coder Heh. Sometimes, reading your descriptions/analysis of me, I feel like you don't know me at all. I'm the furthest thing from a "personable" person. And I really don't consider myself to be anything like a mod spokesperson.
Although, at the same time, I do see where you're coming from with that description.
 
@CodyGray heh then I'm wrong, tends to happen :D
 
I do try to be accessible, and I definitely want to encourage people to say something to me when they disagree.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:54 AM
well ...
 
What's that, Lassie?
 
9:08 AM
My normal routine is: join room, run clean-up to move a bunch of messages. I didn't wake up enough to realize I only got 3 because you cleaned up before me.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:31 AM
Was closing that as no repro/typo a misclick, @desertnaut?
 
@CodyGray which one? the last one was closed as no MRE
 
@desertnaut Yes, the last one. Enet and myself voted to close as no MRE, and that's what took effect. But your vote was for typo. I assume it was just a misclick, since they're right next to each other.
But was just checking, in case there was something I missed, since this is your expertise.
 
@CodyGray intention was for "no MRE"; I thought the implementation was so, too
 
Haha, okay. No worries. The right thing happened in the end.
 
10:52 AM
I'm glad to see, @RyanM, that you haven't developed any bad habits like sleeping.
 
@CodyGray ...well, not at night, at least...
I'm ...more nocturnal than would be optimal
 
Ah, yeah... I can totally relate to that.
The rest of the world is wrong, though. It's not us.
 
Are you still in a timezone where it's even more the middle of the night as well?
 
Yes. I'm in a timezone where it's two hours later at night.
 
@CodyGray Considering it has been implied that you may not be human, timezone is irrelevant, no? :)
 
11:03 AM
Robots prefer to be offline during the night because of cheaper electricity bills
wait...
Imagine I said that backwards
 
Nah, timezones are a huge problem even for non-human devices. Next time you meet a programmer, ask them about the problems that time cause.
 
@CodyGray I thought that was mostly a problem for the humans not being able to do it right :)
 
Well, maybe, but human failings still create problems for machines.
 
11:18 AM
 
@rene you can send this one to the graveyard too, the extra link tripped up the script
 
Good move; blame the script when the problem really was that you were slower at reposting than I was at closing the first attempt. :-)
 
@CodyGray Why can't we spread the blame between me and the script? (-:
 
Maybe because the script doesn't get its smileys backwards?
 
11:21 AM
It's my way of writing 🙃 in text
 
TIL Cody doesn't like backwards smileys Ɑx
 
because goodness knows I'm too lazy to remember how to enter emoji on Windows
 
I really don't like any type of emojis. I just occasionally use the ASCII-only ones to avoid everyone thinking I'm a jerk-face.
Huh, that's weird. I just memorize the ALT codes for every special character I ever want to use.
 
@RyanM It's Win+.
 
oh dear that launched the magnifier and now I'm trapped at 1000% zoom
ah, no, I'm just not very sharp at 3:24am
that is in fact correct, and I misread your period as the end of a sentence rather than the key I was supposed to press.
 
11:25 AM
It even has emoticons instead of emojis for people like this (☞゚ヮ゚)☞ @CodyGray
 
So...what did you press, @RyanM?
 
I'mma stop and go get some coffee
 
@Nick Those are worse!
 
@CodyGray Win+Plus
 
@RyanM Thank you! I've been searching for that shortcut.. :)
Especially since 🐿 is better reflection of my size than 🐿️, but I need the magnifier to see me with the first one :)
 
@CodyGray First one is a tiny chipmunk and the second one is larger chipmunk emoji :>
 
@CodyGray I aim to please.. screen shot after magnifying it to 250%
 
Oh dear. Honey, who shrunk the first chipmunk?
 
The first is a squirrel.. I think. No idea why the chipmunk is so huge :)
 
Emojipedia says they're both the same...? emojipedia.org/chipmunk
 
11:50 AM
Huh? I only see the last one on there.
 
How did you type both?
 
I copy-pasted each of them, in turn, from Scratte's original message.
 
🐿️ is just capital 🐿
8
 
I meant how did Scratte do it?
 
Does anyone know how this question is programming related?
 
11:53 AM
@Dharman Copy'n'pasted from someone else's message. The last one is a default microsoft one.
 
@CodyGray It's not. This is tagged Finance, not programming
 
Maybe they're a programmer and it's their balance sheet for their job?
 
Well... yeah... but, like... is there any way that "finance" or "journal" is the name of some programming-related language/tool/thingy that is used to do financial/accounting work? Because, otherwise... why is a 10k+ rep user answering a blatantly off-topic question? I must be missing something.
 
@CodyGray Is there even an accounting.stackexchange.com?
 
@Nick I hate when I see "One new comment" click it to load the comment and see a comment by Nick... which I didn't write
 
11:55 AM
@Nick couldn't agree with you more! :)
 
Ooof, 15 second difference... my flag is safe
 
@CodyGray in a word, no. This is an accounting question pure and simple. It has nothing to do with programming.
As for the behaviour of the 10k+ user, ours is not to reason why...
 
Yeah, I didn't mean for y'all to speculate. That'd be against the rules anyway. Just as an explanation of why I questioned my own instincts.
If someone questions it, I'll just blame Nick. Or maybe Nick.
 
@CodyGray blame the other Nick. I have a Masters in Applied Finance and I know accounting when I see it! :)
 
11:59 AM
Blame the other Nick. I have a Masters in Computer Science, and I know what's not programming when I see it! :)
 
Uh-oh. It's looking like blame-the-biologist again.
 
I propose "milliplicate"
 
@CodyGray is there one in the room?! point me at them!
@JohnDvorak but milli sounds small whereas everyone knows mega is huge.... :)
 
You misunderstand, milli as in small and not worth keeping, the target is the megadupe
 
How about gigaplicate?
 
12:06 PM
in SI it means "thousandth" as in "1/1000". Here it means "thousandth" as in the ordinal.
 
Isn't that kilo? As in kiloplicate? Why are we not using n anymore?
 
@JohnDvorak that will just confuse those of use who spend our lives working in SI...
 
cf. millipede
 
@Scratte No, kilo is thousand, milli is thousandth
 
Yes :) But we never used 1/nth duplicate, did we? :)
 
12:08 PM
If you manage to rename centipedes and millipedes to hectopedes and kilopedes... I'll allow kiloplicates ;)
 
@Nick As someone that works largely as an SI... (in O&G) I get more confused by MM meaning million
 
@Nick /sheepishly raises hand
 
Did you bend your head while raising it?
 
@CodyGray if only I'd known! I could have blamed you for so many things :)
 
@Scratte I discovered today, on a Zoom teleconference involving a video chat, that I apparently bend my head a lot, even when I think that I am holding it perfectly straight.
I kept looking at my own picture on the screen and saying "wait, why's my head crooked?"
 
12:16 PM
"Time for bed" (said Zebedee)
 
@CodyGray Did you make sure it wasn't your camera that was crooked? :p
 
There's a hack for that. Put your own image at the top, close to the camera. Then when you're admiring yourself, everyone will think you're looking at them :)
 
@Nick Yeah, I think that was part of it. I was using my iPhone as the camera, since I'm a civilized person who uses a normal desktop computer, which does not have a camera built in.
 
Unless it's just involuntary and you do it by instinct every time someone says something stupid.
 
@CodyGray "using my iPhone" ... "I'm a civilized person" I'm sensing a contradiction
 
12:19 PM
I don't see it.
 
I put my phone-as-webcam under my secondary monitor, and put the Zoom wall there
 
Ideal configuration, @John, if you want everyone to have a perfect view of your chin. :-)
 
I prefer to keep my head low...
... and my mighty beard is thousandfold prettier than the nest upstairs anyways :P
 
@CodyGray You should buy a Dell Precision 5520. No one will be able to see your chin, because it'll be blocked by your knuckles.
 
Well, that made me laugh out loud.
 
12:29 PM
@CodyGray did I make a mistake again and VTC as "needs details & clarity" instead of "recommendation request"?
 
@desertnaut No, that was in response to Ryan's comment about horribly-designed laptops with webcams level with the keyboard.
I'm the one who voted to close that as needs clarity, because I wasn't totally convinced it was asking for recommendations. It was unclear to me what it was asking for.
 
@CodyGray ok then
 
Maybe it's because I don't know what "Glove" is
If you get negative values from your gloves, maybe switch to mittens? I don't know.
 
@CodyGray word embeddings are resources
 
@CodyGray You can't. It's cursed.
 
12:34 PM
(Totally missing the point) What is going on with that font hinting? It's so thin and washed out that I can barely read the characters!
 
@CodyGray you do have a (different) point :)
stick to the header :)
 
Heh. I switched the close reason on that question, which also knocked out someone else's reopen vote.
Somewhere, someone is shaking their fist at moderators.
 
@CodyGray hehe - great job!
 
@AlonEitan Ah, no worries, thanks.
@CodyGray This Too Broad request for example, is asking 2 questions. If targets existed for each, would a combo dupe closure be ok?
 
12:57 PM
@cigien That one I already closed as a duplicate earlier? :-)
 
@Dharman @AdrianMole @rene Just as an update to the serial upvoting I once asked about. I had raised a flag mentioning both events. It was marked helpful but not considered enough of a pattern (especially since it were two different users) to invalidate the votes.
 
@JeanneDark It depends on the mod who handles it as well, if you're lucky you'll be told "Congratulations on the free rep" or something along those lines :p
 
@CodyGray No, the link in my message that just got closed as Needs Focus.
 
@Nick Not quite the message I got but it was marked helpful and I can still access the review queues. So all is fine :)
 
@JeanneDark You may also just be patient. If they do it again or they do it with another account and another flag is raised on that which is escalated, you'll get it reversed whenever that is handled.
Some times it takes 6-8 years ;)
 
1:02 PM
@Scratte These were really two unrelated incidents and certainly two different users
 
@JeanneDark i had raised a similar flag some time ago; it was marked "helpful - no evidence of socks, you have a fun"
 
@JeanneDark I expect you're talking about double-taps?
 
double-taps?
 
Two upvotes/downvotes in quick succession.
 
Not quickly enough for the script to auto-reverse them but enough to look suspicious
 
1:05 PM
@JeanneDark Okay, maybe there is not enough evidence now but if new flags get raised it might add up.
 
@JeanneDark I thought the auto-reverse script just looks at the full day.
I mean I'd expect all the votes to be reversed if I went to vote on all your posts, even if I distributed it throughout the day.
 
Anecdotally, the thresholds appear to be different for serial upvotes vs. downvotes.
 
@rene I don't know. Everyone is free to raise further flags.
 
@CodyGray Oops, my bad, I didn't look at the revision history. I see you closed as a dupe and edited the list but both targets addressed only one part of the question. Resulting in a hammer reopening it, reasonably. Would you close as a combo dupe though?
 
1:08 PM
@RyanM That's.. strange though. They shouldn't be. I'm still waiting for a reverse to come at any time.
 
@JeanneDark correct
 
@cigien I don't like the idea of combo dupes. Not sure we need to have this same conversation daily?
 
@Scratte I Don't know. It's secret for a reason. Have a look at my rep history to see for yourself if it fits a pattern you'd expect to get auto-reversed or not.
 
Also, I think the dupe I originally picked provides sufficient information to answer both questions.
 
@CodyGray Indeed we don't, sorry, I won't mention it again. I'm sure we can find other things to disagree about ;)
 
1:10 PM
@JeanneDark I did. I would have expected it. But for one date, it cannot possibly be just one account. If some told you that's it certainly not the same user with two different accounts, then I'd trust that.
 
@cigien Right, sorry, didn't mean that to sound combative or snippy. I just wasn't sure what your goal was in asking me again.
 
@Scratte I believe autoflags are raised at some undisclosed threshold for a mod to go look at it and see if sockpuppetry is involved. Makes it a bit harder to figure out where the limits are if you can't see them until the mods come in and bring the whole thing crashing down.
 
@rene I'm not responsible for what happened and I raised a flag. I fulfilled my duty, didn't I?
 
@RyanM Nah. No autoflags for sockpuppetry.
 
@CodyGray Not at all. Your interpretation was accurate, I was trying to understand your reasoning by asking about specific cases.
 
1:12 PM
@Scratte I count it as two events and regarding the first one, one account was deleted and the votes reversed.
 
@cigien I don't think my thoughts on compound-duplicates are going to change in response to specific cases. It's going to be more of, can I find something generic enough that I think covers everything.
 
@CodyGray Not sure I agree with that. Neither target seems to address the "alternating sequence" part of the OP's question.
 
Also... there's the question title. And it always focuses on one specific question, given the limited length. And I like to declare that the "real" question. :-)
 
I have a sequence of what I suspect are four serial upvotes in my rep history. I have absolutely zero idea who did it or why. Never bothered flagging it, though.
 
@CodyGray Aah, interesting. I usually use specific cases a lot to inform my rationale.
 
1:13 PM
@JeanneDark I noticed that when you were no longer able to review.. but as I'm a great admirerer of your voting habits, I tend to check your profile fairly often :)
 
(if you're trying to find it, it's not any of the ones that look like two upvotes to the same post: that's a self-answered question where someone upvoted both)
 
@CodyGray Ha, fair enough. So editing out the part unrelated to the title would be ok? Feels like that messes with the OP's intent too much.
 
@cigien Yes. The thing is, I have a philosophical objection to what you're proposing, so specific cases isn't really going to change that objection.
 
@CodyGray That revision history is awfully broken
 
@CodyGray Sure, I understand that.
 
1:15 PM
@RyanM In my case, I guess I know why. The first one gave me exactly enough rep to reach 500 and access the review queues. The second one was some kind of thank you for voting to close as duplicate on MSO (including cmments on my posts). (That's also why I'm so sure that these are two unrelated events)
 
@Nick So much so that I pointed it out to Zoe. Who promptly edited her original post, as if to emphasize the fact that "yes, dummy, I said that from the beginning" (paraphrasing :-))
 
I did think i'd seen a meta post of it recently, thanks for the link
 
I think I'm the only one that likes that Question. I like it because using the right structure, both problems can be solved fairly easy.
 
@Scratte Or even using the wrong structure.
 
@Scratte Isn't it a bit too monotonous? ;)
 
1:17 PM
@JeanneDark I check to see if there's a change to 8 :D
 
@JeanneDark Every day, he checks to see if you've deigned yourself to answer someone's terrible programming question.
 
@CodyGray If the votes had been invalidated I would've had a reason to ;)
 
@JeanneDark I was deeply unimpressed to see 8 upvotes appear in your voting history, the 100% downvote ratio gave me hope after seeing someone with a 100% upvote ratio (and over 100k of them)
 
@CodyGray I suppose, but I assume anyone wanting to answer it will go with what they consider good :) The thing about it is, that if they ask to "Sort the sequences", then both could have been answered in one go. There would not have been two questions in one.
 
@JeanneDark Yeah, no clear correlation like that here...I edited some posts, did some CV and suggested edit reviews, nothing special. Just 4 upvotes for no apparent reason, 2 on questions and 2 on answers.
 
1:21 PM
@Nick That was back when I was a noob and didn't yet know how SO works ;)
 
I'm still blown away that any of you folks notice when people have upvoted or downvoted one of your posts.
That's like noticing when a leaf falls in your lawn.
 
I'd notice that... because it would require a lawn materializing for it to fall on
 
Oh really, I always look at a post, at least an answer if it gets downvoted to see what went wrong.
 
@Nick I quite liked the 100% upvote profile though. They seem to be further apart than the 100% downvote ones.
 
Personally I'm dying to know which 8 posts Jeanne did upvote.
6
 
1:23 PM
@Scratte Not sure it's still around, they requested deletion
 
@Nick That post was deleted and they are.
 
@RyanM Two of them must be the same 2 that Eric Lippert upvoted.
 
My claim to not being excessively negative is that I have more upvotes than downvotes...on non-deleted posts
 
@Dharman Err, not exactly? OP vandalized their own post. Suggested edit is fixing it back.
 
@Dharman it's...ugh, well, it's not worse than what the OP did, but is their enter key stuck?
 
1:25 PM
@Dharman I'd say yes (partly), but if I came across it in the queue i'd reject for transcribing, the comment should've been better
 
@CodyGray Rich people also don't notice when the number on their banking account goes up a little. You could bounty it all away and re-start with 1. Then you'll probably notice :)
 
Unlikely. I ain't got no money in my bank account, and I ain't be noticin' that neither.
 
@Scratte Rich people get rich by noticing any change in their bank account :p
 
Where do you store all your money then?
 
@Dharman I edited the original revision to add code fences, and Cody was nice enough to approve-and-edit the one in the queue before I did it so the edit got approved
 
1:28 PM
@Dharman In the future!
 
@Nick If you see the 217,365 on your header, a change of 25 isn't going to be very visible. It's a bit more visible when you go from 1 to 26 :) Or perhaps noticeable.
 
@RyanM I was on pins and needles with that one. There I was, editing whitespace in Python code...
 
@Scratte You're forgetting that you get notified in your inbox of any change :p, like looking at your bank statement
 
Also, after 30k additional rep doesn't get you anything
 
I also rarely see +40 in my header, except on Hot Network Questions days.
 
1:29 PM
@CodyGray When one gets banned from reviewing from an audit, should they be able to see a couple of other bad reviews they made recently by opening the review link in a new tab?
 
@Nick Ahh.. yes. I forgot about that, as I've uBlocked the achievement icon.
 
...or when I answer an MSE question and go to bed.
 
@AnnZen IIRC it just links the unhelpful audit and asks you to check your previous review history for any other things you could've done differently, the system doesn't know what other reviews are bad/good
 
@AnnZen I am honestly not sure. There have been a lot of changes made recently to the review ban system, and I haven't kept up with all of them. In the old days, you just got a link to your most recently failed audit, even though there were others that the system knew about. It's very likely that you now get a link to all of your recently failed audits, but I'm not sure.
 
Is this off-topic? The "how do I implement" part suggests Too Broad.
 
1:31 PM
"more Object-y way"? Unclear to me
 
I haven't looked at that particular question, but... in what way is "how do I implement" "too broad"?
 
I used to get a small list of links that shows me other bad reviews, were those manually chosen?
 
@Nick True, though I suspect OP means "object-oriented".
 
@AnnZen Yes, they're mod messages for your convenience (generally in Triage)
@cigien It's the "more" I was confused by :p
 
@CodyGray As in this case, where they appear to be asking for an implementation of an entire design pattern.
 
1:33 PM
Seems unclear/POB as to what is the "Most OOP implementation"?
 
Agreed. Ok, thanks.
 
(that one's not a quote, but how I read the question)
Someone even commented to that effect :p
 
So, @AnnZen, it turns out that as a moderator I can see your recent failed audits. There are 2 of them, both in Late Answers: 1, 2. Your current suspension from review is automated, imposed by the system for failed audits, not manually by a moderator.
@cigien Yeah, seems so. Honestly, I agree with Nick... This is just immediately unclear. I have no idea what they're talking about.
 
Agreed, I used Needs details.
 
Oh!
They just want to know how to use inheritance.
So they just need a tutorial.
This is a base class. This is how you derive a class from it. This is how polymorphism works.
 
1:36 PM
So πάνταῥεῖ's vote of TB was fair :p
 
@CodyGray Isn't "I set DEBUG to FALSE." the answer? I did pay attention.
 
@AnnZen In this case, the "answer" was posted by the same person who asked the question, so it wasn't actually providing a solution. It was just adding more information to the question.
 
@CodyGray that second one is at least arguably an answer: setting DEBUG to FALSE solved the problem, at least for 10 hours. It's at least not a very good audit. The first one is definitely NAA though.
 
Hey, look, that same answer came back.
Yeah, it's perhaps not a great audit. Don't look at me. They still don't let moderators control audits.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, seems so. Didn't know it was called "slugs" in Java. POB, TB, are all valid close reasons it seems.
 
1:38 PM
mmmmm POP
 
Yeah, not blaming you. They really should let you kick out bad audits...or pick good ones.
 
@Nick :D
 
@cigien It's par for the course that most of the close reasons apply simultaneously.
Even worse now, that they've made two of them nearly identical....
 
@CodyGray I don't think a 3 month ban is necessary, do you think it can be shortened?
 
@CodyGray Oh, as usual I don't know the history there :( BTW, OP edited it to say "what is the most idiomatic way?" and it has a reopen vote. Still TB right?
 
Damn, you type fast :)
 
@AnnZen The duration is automatically determined by the system. Lots of discussion about that on Meta.
You were suspended from reviewing manually by a moderator (not me) multiple times within the past several months. Each time, the suspension duration doubles.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, but this involves a bad audit.
 
@AnnZen Bad audits should be protested on Meta. Use the disputed-review-audits tag. Note that this is now official advice enshrined in the Help Center now: stackoverflow.com/help/review-suspensions
Or... mostly. Hmm. I reviewed a draft of that page, and it definitely recommended the [disputed-review-audits] tag. I don't know why that got changed/omitted to just [review-suspension].
 
I see If you have any questions about the review tasks that led to the suspension, post a question on Meta and use the [review-suspension] tag. In your post, be sure to include the following information:
 
1:46 PM
Yeah
Maybe they're still in the process of updating the Help Center articles.
 
@CodyGray Presumably it's because you can be suspended from review without having an audit to dispute? :p
 
@Nick Yeah, that's true. I guess they are really two separate issues.
 
I guess it would be helpful to have an: "If your suspension was caused by an incorrect audit, also include the [disputed-review-audits] tag." but... idk
 
Mentioned in this Meta FAQ.
Should also be in the Help Center now.
If anyone's looking for an example of how to do it right, see here.
 
Once you can see vote breakdowns you can very quickly and easily detect audits in most queues
@CodyGray Yeah, aware of that one, I've raised it already through some other channel
 
1:52 PM
This was closed 14 days ago. Why hasn't the roomba deleted it? stackoverflow.com/q/64720996/2943403
 
closed as duplicate (takes 30 days IIRC)
 
@CodyGray Okay, thanks!
 
@mickmackusa Jeanne is correct, Roomba Forecaster says it'll be deleted in 20 days
 
So.. I'm looking at this Answer with code in an image. Was the declined ratio of flagging those as NAA small or 50/50?
 
@Scratte The declined ratio of... what?
That post went through 2 review queues, First Posts and Late Answers. No reviewers generated any flags. That post has never been flagged.
 
1:56 PM
It does have a little text before the image..
 
Yeah, I guess that's why I'll be nice and not hand out review bans.
 
@CodyGray Heh.. well, someone told me earlier to not trust the result of reviews :D
 
@mickmackusa Have I made a right decision to vote as duplicate on this one? stackoverflow.com/questions/64699461/…
 
@Scratte I wonder what kind of genius would say something like that
 
The funny thing about that post was that everyone seemed to have just avoided that Natty report :D
 

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