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00:01
I'm going to watch Dinner at Eight now... I've talked myself into it.
@StatikStasis enjoy your mediocre yet unobjectionable half hour
lol
I will.
@Wes Frasier Season 1 Episode 3... give it a shot. My favorite episode is from Season 7. It's called A Tsar is Born.
@Wes you will find so many little nods to it in stuff you've watched a million times, jokes you never even realised were jokes. I'm willing to bet that >=50% of the writers for any US comedy show in the last 15 years will cite Seinfeld as an influence
Wes
Wes
i'm not the easiest person to please... for example i wasn't a great the office fan... or maybe i stopped watching it too early
The Frasier brothers are so pretentious it is hilarious.
00:07
I don't like that either, I don't generally like cringe comedy
@StatikStasis the fact that you can name episodes from frasier says a lot.. like I bet you're a dave matthews band fan too
Wes
Wes
i liked how i met your mother though... i heard that's inspired by seinfeld, at least in part
No- I wasn't a Dave Matthews fan.
I'm not
lol
He has some of the strongest followers though.
00:09
the most boring girl I ever met in a bar just loved him
He's on the Rush level of cult followings
although I actually find Rush more accessible, which is... a statement
His lyrics did always give me hope that I could scribble down just about anything and sing it and make money whether it makes any sense or not.
I think you need followers who do lots of acid though for that to work.
00:12
@Tiffany Same place.. I really need to make the change but at least now I'm actually working on my resume
@PaulCrovella Watch "Dinner at Eight" I'll promise to watch an episode of MASH that you name.
I saw the flaming lips a couple of weeks ago, was dead straight sober, came away feeling like I was deep in a bad mushroom trip
@StatikStasis no. I don't care what you watch.
jeez...
I was hoping I could bring some hope and joy into your life.
maybe we should just face the inevitable and put TNG on
00:14
That's a win.
if frasier is our shot at hope and joy then we're fucked
Paul- hate that too?
tng was good, doesn't hold up well though
Dear God the man needs therapy... I take that back. The first season is hard to get through now.\
some of it is awful tbf, but that's part of the reason it's good
00:16
There is a strong nostalgia factor for me.
inner light is one of the best pieces of storytelling ever imo
also I don't hate frasier... there's nothing in it that brings any strong emotion in me.. it's just meh
Favorite show?
don't have one
there have been a lot of really good shows, great in different ways
moving target
00:18
such archery
could probably come up with a top 5 if you put a gun to my head
pulls out revolver Go.
The Gun To My Head Pattern™
Favorite movies?
@StatikStasis excellent album
00:20
lol, Beatles.
Should have known.
@StatikStasis i'm going to need some time...
k... I'll be here.
taps foot
limited to fiction... arrested development, tng, firefly, south park (but with a footnote that I haven't seen new ones for ~5yrs), filling slot 5 is hard
in many ways that's a list of favourite writing rather than "shows" in general
I'd possibly commit to putting firefly in the #1 slot
The Orville could make the list but it's too early
1. Braveheart 2. LoTR Series 3. About Time 4. The Hobbit series 5. Passion of the Christ 6. Snatch 7. Gladiator 8. Terminator 2 9. Inside Out
Oh I was doing movies lol.
Gets a little harder after 9.
Inside Out is amazing, but have you seen The Incredibles 2 yet?
00:30
10. would probably be something stupid like Night at the Roxbury... no that would be 11. 10. would be The Social Network.
yes.
It might be better than the first one
We took the kids to see it the night it came out.
Yeah it was great.
Was daughter's first movie - she is 4.
Pixar has just made some amazing movies with moving story lines.
@DaveRandom I teared up fast when Bing Bong said "Take her to the moon for me." Oh my goodness... incredible.
@DaveRandom I never did watch Firefly. I am reluctant to since I know it was canceled and made everyone mad.
@StatikStasis it's not even an exaggeration to say that it was my most anticipated movie of the last 3 years, so I'm not sure how much of the love for it is just relief that it wasn't bad
Southpark- I watched the first 3 or 4 seasons and after that just the popular ones- like the WoW one and others.
@StatikStasis although I totally get that, you should just do it
00:37
I LOVED Heroes when it first came out. But after the strike that broke it up... it was SOOOOOO horrible and a big disappointment.
yeh that show was so great and then so badly fucked up
You know what is worse? ...
although that said, the first part of S2 wasn't as good imo
The travesty of the Last Airbender movie.
I wish mad men didn't get so fucking weird towards the end
00:39
The cartoon was AMAZING... in fact I would rank that high in my TV show list.
I started watching Mad Men a couple months ago but got distracted with some cooking shows.
@PaulCrovella never seen that, it's another thing that's perpetually on The List
it's a stupidly good show, but do not watch it if you're trying to quit smoking
Yeah- I always wonder if they really smoked and drank that much in the office.
I also wonder if sexual harassment was THAT bad or exaggerated just a little.
from what people who were there have told me, it was that bad
/me sleeps
nn
00:43
night
and with the smoking... hell, I used to smoke that much at work
Inside?
I remember smoking in businesses... glad that is gone.
I'm 36 so I remember that transition.
when you can smoke at your desk you just... do
glad it's gone too
00:48
Everything smelled... and was yellow.
nothing smelled because I couldn't smell shit 'cause I smoked
Yeah... I get that.
Usually same happens with smokers and their cars.
I have seen some of the worst PCs come from smokers. I remember this one guy's PC I fixed that was so yellow and the CPU fan had thick, dark, yellowish tar on the edge of the fan blades, like the dust on a ceiling fan that hasn't been cleaned in years... but worse.
yeah, it'll wreck a pc
01:49
<?php
class nameCollecton {
public static function setName(){
return "John";
}
public static function getName(){
return $this->setName();
}
}

$name = new nameCollecton();
echo $name::getName();
?>
ERROR:
Exception: Using $this when not in object context

Can someone help me?J
Wes
Wes
02:01
$name->getName()
public function setName(){
public function getName(){
I can't change to public.
@wes
Wes
Wes
then what do you want from us
want to change inside getName function .
<?php
class nameCollecton {
public static function setName(){
return "Hari";
}
public static function getName(){
return (new self)->setName();
}
}

$name = new nameCollecton();
echo $name::getName();
?>
this worked.
Wes
Wes
return self::setName();
nameCollecton::getName();
E_DEPRECATED : type 8192 -- Non-static method nameCollecton::setName() should not be called statically -- at line 7
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Wes
02:15
11 mins ago, by Viyog
I can't change to public.
but you did
Sorry i was trying the if that work..
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Wes
02:36
"oh this is a good idea for a simple and quick article on an interesting topic"
that's me a couple of hours ago, now that changed into over the scale anxiety "damn this is as important as a declaration of war"
mostly because of my fear of writing too basic english
03:25
@Wes you do at least know rationally that your english is very good, right?
Wes
Wes
@PaulCrovella then why am i getting only feedback from what i think are on average 15yo people. clearly i am attracting ignorance rather than people that want reasonably discuss stuff, probably because i sound 15yo myself
no, it's because those are the bulk of the loud people on the internet
Wes
Wes
like in that article that i was complaining very reasonably about php problems
and most folk don't read blogs in order to have a discussion with the author
Wes
Wes
like i explained the need of auto capturing closures, in response i got "if you used SOLID principles you wouldn't have these problems"
or "stop bashing on php, if you don't like it use another language"
complete nonsense..
after 20 comments like that i deleted the post...
i am sure it's my writing style wrong... i think i should sound more professional
03:37
you might try setting a different tone for the conversation you're after... complaining, or really anything negative, brings negative in return
the difference between reasonable and not doesn't come much into play
find something that you can write "hey, here's this cool shit" about
Wes
Wes
another article i wrote was don't give up on flexbox, grids are not a full replacement for flexbox
what i got in return is "stop telling people bad practices"
like, they ignored anything i said, they scrolled down directly to the comments, and wrote that
@Wes replace "don't give up on flexbox, grids are not a full replacement for flexbox" with "here's what flexbox still does well"
Wes
Wes
maybe
now i am writing an articles about css architecture. not sure about the tone i should use. main goal is writing down the design i follow for my own benefit, just because writing down stuff helps me collect my thoughts, then if people would like to discuss civilly about it i am happy to let that happen.
03:55
it'd be cool to do some a/b testing with it.. I wonder if any of those blog platforms offer that out of the box
Wes
Wes
:D
should it be purely empirical about it, or should i fit in my subjective thoughts? should it have a friendly tone, like a personal blog?
Hi all. I've got a snippet of php code that MUST be run fresh every time the page opens, even if the page opens from navigating back from a previous page. I've been googling like mad, but haven't figured it out yet.
[pool www] child 10008 exited on signal 11 (SIGSEGV - core dumped) after 209.07 – #76697
Any ideas?
The fact that the php loads from cache while javascript runs fresh has been throwing everything out of whack
!!? disable browser cache on back
03:59
Search for "disable browser cache on back -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=disable+browser+cache+on+back+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• php - prevent browser back button cache - Stack O… - 31 jul. 2015 - Thanks guys for helping me out but i found a way that force the browser to prevent c… (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31735428/prevent-browser-back-button-cache)
• How to Defeat the Browser Back Button Cache • 55… - 25 okt. 2011 - When a user hits the back button in her web browser, more often than not … To accomp… (https://blog.55minutes.com/2011/10/how-to-de
(see full text)
Wes
Wes
it's not php, it's the browser's cache
!!? php headers no-cache
Search for "php headers no-cache -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=php+headers+no-cache+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• How to prevent Browser cache for php site - Stack… - 5 aug. 2015 - You probably don't want to disable cache completely for images /js / css: … <?php hea… (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13640109/how-to-prevent-browser-cache-for-php-site)
• Disable HTTP Cache With PHP - Paulund - 16th June 2012 in PHP … Use the PHP snippet below to make the resource expiry immediately, place th… (https://paulund.co.uk/disable-http-cache-with-php)
(see full text)
Huh, I was not expecting the solution to be in the headers
Thanks for that
Okay, I'm about to test:
<?php session_start();
header("Cache-Control: no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate"); // HTTP 1.1.
header("Pragma: no-cache"); // HTTP 1.0.
header("Expires: 0 "); // Proxies.
?>
Wes
Wes
i always wondered what pragma was for
Seems to have worked
04:07
huzzah
Now, to figure out what the heck it means, and integrate it more elegantly into my code
Thanks guys
you're welcome
Wes
Wes
yw
Very much appreciated. Now cya. I'm off to google "session_start()"
@Wes are there other authors out there you might want to emulate? or at least take some example from?
Wes
Wes
04:13
not really. i don't idolize anybody if that's what you mean
not idolize, but read and appreciate?
Wes
Wes
yes but they are not tech authors
and especially people that write about css
a good exercise might be to find a handful of tech articles, on any subject (preferably something you don't already have a strong opinion on), and do some critical analysis of the writing
figure out what about it works for you personally, and what doesn't
it may not be where you eventually want to take your writing, but it's a place to start
Night all
Wes
Wes
04:33
well, don't we do that already? i imagine a lot of people read stuff like they are reading the bible, but i hope programmers would be at least a bit critical
we do it with content, not so much the writing
Wes
Wes
not sure how i should do that... i can't say i care about the writing
in a tech article i only care about empirical information, or anything that is hugely supportive of the described tech
or some good old honesty... like, "i am trying this, not sure how it ends, but so far it's been great. give it a try too"
rather than super sensational articles like "omg i know you just learned that js framework but this one is better trust me"
fundamentally i don't like articles that seem they are trying to sell you stuff
maybe i did some of these mistakes myself
04:48
sounds like you do care about the writing
Wes
Wes
but in my defense there is not much to add to "function() use(&$a, &$b, &$c, &$d, &$e){} sucks"
not much to add to it, and not much value in it either
Wes
Wes
i consider that content, rather than form... i mean, if an article sounds like it's trying to sell you stuff, it's probably because of lack of empirical data, not because it's a scam... it's a cover up for poor content
lack of useful content might be why they use poor form, it might not.. but that's not relevant to how you feel about the form
Wes
Wes
maybe
05:10
posted on August 03, 2018

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

05:50
morns
morning
StatikStasis I did actually create a CV on a recruitment site, where I put "whatever the job is" for strengths and "writing CVs" for weaknesses and got... quite a lot of responses, and they weren't all terrible either
Wes
Wes
we need to read some of these responses :B
06:09
@pmmaga You know what, I am definitely gonna get that printed on a shirt. :P
06:24
I assume that if I used pointer tagging in a PR for php-src I would be laughed out of the metaphorical building?
06:47
Hi, we got an open position for a Cisco Engineer - Networking & Datacenter which might interest you. Call [some guy] if you want to more.
wtf? why do they think this might interest me?
I only do networking at conferences and even then I am pretty bad at it.
if you want to more.
my fault. I tend to forget words. the actual message was in german anyways.
Cisco has lot of conferences for sure. Morning.
07:13
\o
@Jeeves I knew @DaveRandom wrote that without having to actually look it up ... so typical Chris
Mainly for @tereško I think ^
@DaveRandom no, as long as you hide that logic behind functions and macros. E.g. the typed_ref_props patch uses pointer tagging to distinguish between nullable or not, and bare type, class entry or class name
and also for representation of the type reference list, which may be either NULL, a simple pointer - or a list of pointers, of which the latter two are distinguished by the least significant bit of the pointer address.
07:44
@bwoebi OK, the concrete use case is 1 bit, tagging the items in zend_class_entry.interfaces for direct/inherited, does that sound sane-ish?
and also is it reasonable to assume that any platform PHP supports will have at least 1 usable bit for that?
08:00
arctophile a person who is very fond of and is usually a collector of teddy bears.
Morning
yo @Tiff
Wes
Wes
\o
08:15
Heyo guys
Hpapy Firday
If I use $_GET['somevariable'] in my script then it should contain the variable from my query string, shouldn't it ?
URL: https://www.someurl.com/somedatagrid.php?dg_mode=edit
$_GET['dg_mode'] = view

How is this possible ?
@DaveRandom you can assume the two least significant bits to be zero for any untagged pointer, yes.
@DaveRandom possibly, you'll have to update quite some code there though - I just guess you're trying to solve the wrong problem if you need that
@smnstlzr the manual explains it
!!docs $_GET
The $_GET superglobal variable is an associative array of variables passed to the current script via the URL parameters.
08:46
morning
 
2 hours later…
10:22
mkdir doesn't handle group write permission with 0770 mode – #76698
10:39
Morngiins
"here's some vague explanation of what I've tried, now write code for me" stackoverflow.com/questions/51670866/…
11:01
moins
!!lxr mkdir
[ /main/php.h#116 ] # define mkdir(a, b) _mkdir(a)
 
1 hour later…
12:09
Morning
I'm an even 400 now, continuing to get my rep through edits, rofl
@Tiffany I get my first gold Sunday.
@salathe no clever attempts with the php manual? :P
@StatikStasis consecutive days?
@Tiffany Not today. :)
12:24
@salathe slacker
:P
You're all too smart to trust clicking a link from me on this day of the week. :P
posted on August 03, 2018 by CommitStrip

12:42
@salathe you'd be surprised :P
13:00
hehe, cheeky
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Wes
@salathe you sure? i clicked my own rebecca bait once -__-
8
lol
@Wes that's pretty epic
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Wes
a really bad moment for me :B
@Feeds hasvuepassedreactyet.surge.sh it's an actual site
13:08
@Tiffany lol
Good thing both are awful
spectrum.ieee.org/static/… PHP ranks higher than Javascript in their scale, and almost every other option except jobs
13:47
I've had a recruiter tell me that nobody uses PHP anymore
Then you've had a recruiter who's a retard
Plus, tell that to the Fortran guys making a tonne because there aren't many of them left
Lol I was confused at the time, it wasn't even that she was suggesting that JS was replacing it.... but she was suggesting that Python was
Well, if cms's start to be made in python, maybe she will be right
error on using apache for `git instaweb`
`$ git instaweb --httpd c:/xampp/apache/bin/httpd.exe
You have no CGI support!
`
13:54
I thought Python wasn't too popular anymore
@Alesana it's probably the most popular now than it ever has, codecademy stated that it surpassed javascript. Primary reason I guess is using python for machine learning.
@Jimbo :|
@Tiffany I was thinking of learning it for machine learning as well
the simplicity of the syntax is a boon, using words rather than symbols
I see a lot of university intro CS classes use it as a beginner's language
The thing really useful in python is ffi
14:01
Huh I thought that by far more people used JavaScript
@salathe from that trends.google.com/trends/… lol wat
@Alesana nice thing about javascript is that all it requires is a web browser to start out learning, no special installations
90 days.. In the US PHP is one of the less googled languages :O
@Alesana using the demographic in this chat, it seems like most of the members are on the other end of the pond
@Tiffany Good point
@Alesana pond*
14:06
@PeeHaa pond point?
heheh
@PeeHaa Yes, thank god there is one :P
14:07
@Tiffany This makes a lot of sense
@Tiffany 4. Woman swallows python
I was sad to need to see that :(
five years, last 90 days - using programming language as the trend
That shows PHP developers are smarter right? They don't need to search shit
oh shit. just realized fallout 4 has been sitting in my library "until I finish fallout 1, 2 and 3". let's kiss goodbye to that and install it.
14:09
@Tiffany Changing the category to programming... trends.google.com/trends/…
@PeeHaa yeah, there's so...
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Doooo iiiiiiit
hi , i have this array ... any idea of how to get the titles of category accessories only ....

[0] => Array
(
[name] => Souq
[title] => Upto 70% Off
[category] => Accessories
)

[1] => Array
(
[name] => Beardo.
[title] => Friendship Day
[category] => Beauty & Personal Care
)

[2] => Array
(
[name] => Fnp
[title] => Rs.100 off
[category] => Gifts & Flowers
)
[3] => Array
(
[name] => Dreamz
[title] => Rs.50 off
[category] => Accessories
)

give me idea on how to implement
!!docs array_column
[ array_column() ] Return the values from a single column in the input array
14:11
@PeeHaa I'm reminded of the "discussion" about changing the error name for ::
and about how "all it takes is a quick google to figure out the error!"
@Srinivas08 What have you tried, if anything, so far?
@salathe I have parsed the array as of now , it is a big array of around 1000 items , so i am planning to divide the items based on category ...
@PeeHaa think I've already linked this basereality.blogspot.com/2013/03/… (with all it's glorious typos) before....
...
@Danack the particular story about the internals discussion for renaming T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
I thought PeeHaa's message was funny cause of circlejerk reactions like this (updated the link, cause this one was more circlejerk-y than the previous linked one)
14:29
@salathe A lot of searches for php in Saudi Arabia and Philippines, probably the currency instead of the language. as there are a lot of Filipino workers in Saudi Arabia.
@Tiffany Yeah, well javascript lucks out in that case, because a lot if people might alos search for it as "js" and it doesn't have any benefit of including unrelated searches as python and php does.
true
14:46
@Danack lol
guys I'd love to have a clarification on webservers
Interactive mode vs. shell confusion – #76699
hmmmm I see 7.3 has hrtime(). Isn't that going to fuck over shared hosters using intel cpus?
cc @kelunik?
Also did I miss the rfc or just forgot about it?
is it possible to contact another computer without a web server?
Yes
14:54
I mean they usually handle http requests
like apache
Says who?
@Nerva define "contact"
so if it is possible then, why would you want to have apache instead of nothing?
@PeeHaa why would that be a problem?
44 secs ago, by Tiffany
@Nerva define "contact"
@Danack All browsers disabled high resolution timers to preventleaking data from broken cpus
14:55
by contact I mean sending requests, for example
@Nerva be more precise.
@Nerva Have you ever send a mail?
But really
Explain your actual question instead of being vague
kafka listen on a given port for producers to send messages
@Danack Shared hosting is just the first and obvious thing I thought of
There problem is broader
14:57
would that mean that kafka needs a web server to handle these incoming messages from producers
for example?
or are web servers like apache or nginx only needed for other cases?
If it actually is a problem that is
like web APIs
or web sites
I have no idea, but I can imagine it is if it is what I think it is
I am not being vague I am trying to understand this so it's not clear
@Nerva webservers serve webpages, aka they listen on port 80/443 for http requests. Lots of other things listen on other ports. e.g. MySql listens for SQL connections.
14:59
to me
why would you want to have apache instead of nothing
Because of what apache does which is a lot more than just opening a port and listening.
okay thank you very much
Know any lite stress testing services that allow you to create (multiple) users for the test? With a free tier :p
@Danack there are still plenty of cases for shared hosting, and even if there weren't it'd be a bit drastic to pull security support before that kind of use dropped to a negligible level
so it is possible for a server to handle http requests like get or post on a given port without a webserver, but it would not be as performing or secure
15:03
@PaulCrovella What is the case for running PHP in a shared environment, rather than a containered environment?
@Danack 200 sites that get 3 hits a month on a server
@Nerva yes, there's nothing special about webservers, they are just programs that are listening on ports.
@Fabor not really "lite" as it involves some coding but I like locust.io for that
@pmmaga which can be supported on a machine running 200 php containers in a gig or two of ram...
@pmmaga Thanks. Will check it out.
15:09
@Danack a ton of sites are basically an online business card with a contact form for some small company, and it's pretty easy to pack a ton of those onto one shared host managed by the hosting company. There's usually no need to complicate that further.
@PeeHaa There's an INI option to restrict the resolution IIRC.
@Danack it can, but that comes with some configuration overhead. I dunno, I think it would be a weird position to put ourselves in. It would be normal/expected to run multiple processes in the same machine especially if you think about CLI processes
argh, how do I make a tag? trying to search through the chat's history but I'm digging through pages of Jeeves' messages
[tag:yourtagname]
15:18
lol, thanks
my dad wants a javascript calendar added to his website "just because" ... "customers might want to use it to see what day it is" ... so I said I'll put something in the header that states what today's date is. "No, I want the calendar." "No."
doesn't bloat harm SEO?
posted on August 03, 2018

A week ago was Dr. Lobster day. Since that time, I had a lot of you asking me what exactly Dr. Lobster was all about. So for everyone who asked, here are some details of the first webcomic I ever made. Please correct me in the comments if you notice any inaccuracies. I’ve given this summary many times over the years, but my memory isn’t what it used to be. I may or may not have relied on

15:37
false-positive "Error: Call to protected method" when using trait aliases – #76700
ugh.. :| I think I know why
16:07
@kelunik k
open_basedir restriction when file doesn't exist – #76701
16:28
@DaveRandom If you have any time today :)
17:00
@Fabor I need him fiiiiiirst
lol
I have been waiting 2 days :P
I had been waiting like a week but now I'm on a different issue that I'm baffled on... but I also need a break too... which I'm going to go do
@Tiffany Yes
@Jimbo A friend of mine codes in rpg- he makes a killing.
17:15
@PeeHaa And there wasn't an RFC, because no objections.
@kelunik hmmm do you have the link handy by any chance to the discussion? <3
nvm searching on the correct thing works
This has been a trying week.
17:30
Try harder
lol
This has been a difficult week.
;)
At least it's almost over right?
@Gordon I hate you...
Yes! Thankfully.
Good God it is Friday. I should have thought about before clicking the starred messages.
17:42
Hello, room. Happy Friday!
Hey @LeviMorrison - Happy Friday.
Hey @LeviMorrison
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