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1:36 AM
@StatikStasis Playing KSP and looking for a job I dont hate.
 
2:03 AM
That's pretty close to happy, I'd say.
also, yo Allen ;) I realize it's been some time, indeed
 
2:51 AM
@Allenph Cool- had not seen you in a while. Hope you find that job you want.
Night all!
 
 
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4:37 AM
Notation / warning should be made for mutation of &$variable in bindParam. – #76693
 
 
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6:14 AM
@Wes maybe, maybe not :-P
 
 
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7:27 AM
morns
 
user9059272
Hello all
 
user9059272
Besides web development where does PHP is used these days?
 
8:00 AM
nubilous cloudy or foggy.
 
8:16 AM
 
8:32 AM
http://www.tacticalgaming.net/hq/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Reinventing-The-Wheel.jpg

Morning.
 
8:47 AM
@Tpojka NO, reinvent is not the correct word in this scenario
 
morning
 
@mega6382 That's why they say "instead of..." :P
 
@Tpojka no, I mean in the image you shared.
 
I saw servers burning in my dream and I woke up to 8 calls about it...
turns out /var was out of space
 
^ I get it, like upgrading would be more appropriate.
Just joking. Saw this image few days ago. :D
 
8:52 AM
:D
 
9:12 AM
@Ekin lol o.o
@Ekin previous sysadmin had a nightmare one time, an ex help desk tech gave him this huge evil grin before going into the server room with scissors and cutting all the fiber cables
 
lol
 
hahaha
 
@Ekin Instana would have warned you about that ;)
 
@Gordon shameless plug :P
 
totally :)
 
9:24 AM
@Gordon hmmm, does it work with WIMP?
How's it compare to New Relic?
 
@Gordon yeah, proper monitoring
want
more like, need
woke up to all sites being down for an hour
 
Meep
 
first time I say I love timezones
 
Are you like devops?
 
@Tiffany mostly. we dont support php tracing on windows atm but stuff like server monitoring or other tracing languages, etc will work
 
9:30 AM
I don't know what I am
at this point, I do all the things as they come up
 
@Gordon damn. Long time ago I wanted to get New Relic but they didn't support WIMP at the time either. Maybe I should just switch it to WAMP or maybe WEMP
 
@Tiffany I am obviously biased when it comes to answering that. I'd say we are much more convenient to use since we are zero config. you just download our agent, run it and it will discover all the things we have sensors for. same for tracing.
@Tiffany switch the W for L ;)
 
@Tiffany Why do you prefer W environment?
 
I can't justify switching our production environment to Linux yet, when I'm already familiar enough with Windows as production.
 
@Tpojka she doesn't, her company does, I believe.
 
9:36 AM
@Tpojka it wasn't my choice at first
 
What upsets me the most is IIS server, more than windows, in her stack.
 
@Tpojka previous web master had the option to switch to LAMP, but she chose to stick with WIMP "cause she already knew it" and I inherited those. At the time, I didn't have knowledge of either Windows/IIS, Linux/Apache/nginx, but then eventually received training for Windows/IIS and became accustomed to it.
@mega6382 IIS isn't too bad. Though, I admit it does some weird stuff. A friend has told me stories of how his employer would have weird ass issues with IIS and PHP, and they all went away when they switched to LEMP
Stockholm Syndrome might be kicking in, too
 
@Tiffany Oh, it kicked in a long time ago, there would be no other reason to stick with it for that long. :P
 
^Valid reason. I just go with right tool for right job.
 
I once worked with ASP on IIS, and that was horrible, I can't wonder what kind of experience it would be with php.
 
9:41 AM
@mega6382 which version of IIS?
mind you, it has improved quite a bit
I know around 6 it was absolute shit
 
hmm, it was a few years ago, I do't remember exactly. But I think it was IIS7 or something, I don't know for sure.
 
@mega6382 I want to say 8 is where a lot of the improvements came
 
@Tiffany Also, I think I was mostly fault of the provider, yup.
 
10:24 AM
moin
 
Wes
mornin
 
Revert the reverted revert of last week's revert revert reverted by the previous revert revert.
 
10:53 AM
I think @Ocramius is going crazy :P
 
"going"
 
I could see heavy use of git stash there.
 
11:25 AM
Mormigns
 
I'd like to announce that, I've officially started localising Swift for Australian English.
 
11:49 AM
Meh, just the same as British PHP ;)
 
12:02 PM
@Jimbo but British PHP got brexit instead of exit. it gives the executing script sovereignity from the webserver it runs on
7
 
12:16 PM
Morning
 
12:40 PM
hi, what are the best options for a realtime live server. As in, web page rendering as I type.
 
Is Slack basically Discord for professional environment? and I guess without the voicechat
 
12:56 PM
Slack has voice chat
 
ah, didn't see the option in the chat I joined, but that could be because they don't have it enabled, or I haven't looked deep enough
 
its business oriented in the sense that they nag you all the time to get the paid version
 
OpenSSL don't use Windows system CA store – #76694
 
I was invited to a channel from a vendor we're starting to work with, so I hopefully won't deal with the sales pandering from slack's end
 
its not distruptive
 
1:10 PM
@Vatev lol.
 
@Tiffany It can be disrupting... any communication line can be. We use it internally because there is a different frame of mind you have when answering an instant message versus an email. If I am working on something and I have an email come in- for me to go check that and respond I completely lose focus on what I am doing because my mind goes into a different mode.
But an instant communication, like a text in many cases, I can answer something simple and quickly without taking my mind off what I am doing. But it can be disruptive.
 
we use skype for business internally, but not everyone uses it, mainly the people who're over 50
 
In fact the last 15 minutes of my day yesterday we had a group of 4 sending "One does not simply enter Mordor" quotes about what one must not do at our company. It was fun but I was useless the last 15 minutes of yesterday. =)
@Tiffany I like Slack over Skype.
 
yeah, I can see how Slack would possibly be more productive and encourages collaboration between multiple users, since it's more like a chatroom. I doubt we'd ever adopt it anytime soon though.
in fact, I'd be shocked if we did
 
I have 5 departments and one of them is an hour and a half away. It's easy for us to communicate using Slack so it feels like we're one cohesive team and many of my staff can answer questions other staff members have without mu involvement.
 
1:16 PM
yeah... we're all in one department, our offices offshoot from an L-shape hallway. Shouting between offices is common.
 
@Tiffany But then we have silly stuff like this- I had finished reconciling our sales to the bank for all departments...
 
lol
 
Sometimes it can take awhile. =/
Man I am really enjoying this Story Grid podcast.
 
sup y'all?
 
1:22 PM
\o
 
I am very happy today, under the new taxation laws, my tax just decreased and became 1/20th of what it was previously. \o/
 
Nice!
 
so i am following this tut on symfony docs about unit testing but i cant run any tests
it says to use ./vendor/bin/simple-phpunit
but i am on windows
and it doesnt work
php ./vendor/bin/simple-phpunit just prints out the contents of file
 
@Rudolph which directory are you in when you do that?
 
root directory of project
 
1:29 PM
is there a vendor directory in there?
 
yes...
everything is in place
 
So, what is not working? what error are you getting?
 
no error
when i run php ./vendor/bin/simple-phpunit it just prints contents of file to cmder
when i run ./vendor/bin/simple-phpunit
it says '.' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
 
@Rudolph Have you used this?
https://i.imgur.com/JHEgQhE.png
 
i just said
cmder
yes i am using it
 
1:38 PM
Have you tried to call absolute path?
 
@Rudolph you're on windows right? It sounds like simple-phpunit is a bash script....
what is the first few lines of simple-phpunit?
 
λ php ./vendor/bin/simple-phpunit

dir=$(cd "${0%[/\\]*}" > /dev/null; cd "../symfony/phpunit-bridge/bin" && pwd)

if [ -d /proc/cygdrive ] && [[ $(which php) == $(readlink -n /proc/cygdrive)/* ]]; then
# We are in Cgywin using Windows php, so the path must be translated
dir=$(cygpath -m "$dir");
fi

"${dir}/simple-phpunit" "$@"
its the entire file
it prints it out
...
 
@Rudolph try vendor/bin/simple-phpunit
 
try sh ./vendor/bin/simple-phpunit
or what mega said.
 
'vendor' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
 
1:40 PM
and sh ./vendor/bin/simple-phpunit ?
 
I think you might need the slashes to be the other way.
 
that works
sh ./vendor/bin/simple-phpunit
works
 
@Rudolph yeah, change to slashes vendor\bin\simple-phpunit
 
but forward slashes are cooler...
 
thx @Danack
 
1:41 PM
np.
 
@Rudolph also you can use quotes around the path "vendor/bin/simple-phpunit" with forward slashes, I believe. Try that
 
btw, you might be better off just learning directly about phpunit, rather than symfony's wrapper for it.
 
1:57 PM
XSD <xs:attributeGroup> AND <xs:extension base="..."> fails – #76695
 
$query = 'INSERT INTO `groups` (id, group_id) VALUES '.join(', ', $values); working on converting this to a prepared statement, but I feel uncomfortable using the join function in a prepared statement. Should I move this outside of the prepared statement, and bind the joined variable, or is it okay to leave it?
 
No that is bad
You are once again vulnerable to sql injection
 
Which part? Using join in a prepared statement? Using join at all?
 
Is it a multi-inserta la mysql or just a single row?
 
single row I think
 
2:01 PM
Just prepare and bind them as you would normally would
 
the function is called updateGroups, but it deletes everything in the table, then inserts values into the table... which seems weird to me
 
So long as that is wrapped in a transaction, it would be guaranteed to perform an update.
 
does UPDATE not account for something?
 
It might be to get rid of obsolete data
 
okay, that was my guess, but wasn't sure, and couldn't explain my thoughts quick enough :P
 
2:04 PM
I don't know about your specific case.But in certain cases delete and insert might be better
 
or if not better, a lot easier.
 
yeah, e.g. deleting contents of a folder then copying updated files into the folder instead of replacing them
 
@Danack Yeah more often that
 
sometimes replacing doesn't work as intended
 
2 mins ago, by Danack
So long as that is wrapped in a transaction, it would be guaranteed to perform an update.
 
2:06 PM
one other question, and this is probably just lack of understanding of SQL, but why does it have (id, group_id) and then only inserts one variable? granted it's an array, but I don't see how that works... two columns but one variable? Or is it assumed that one column is auto-increment?
 
It does a join
Which is implode
 
but still wouldn't that be one variable? ... I guess I need to read the php manual
 
@Tiffany I've not seen that before...
 
Somebody just wanted to be annoying and for whatever reason decided using an alias would be a cool thing to od
 
@PeeHaa you've misread the question I think.
 
2:07 PM
@Tiffany It converts the array into thing, thing
 
ahhh
 
@Danack Really?
 
no - I have.
 
In that case no idea what is being asked :P
@Danack Ah :)
Well it's almost Friday
 
....
 
2:09 PM
?
 
as;d'asd';adsda'
 
Not for you?
:(
 
My enter key is right next to the delete key....
 
so it would be like
id, group_id
[13, 12] is inserted into row one
[22, 23] is inserted into row two
(without brackets of course)
... This example isn't exact, but I can't explain it well ...
 
Just open a beer
I will join you for a drink
!!> var_dump(join(', ', [13, 12]));
 
Which is the same as :
!!> var_dump(implode(', ', [13, 12]));
 
god I hate this fucking code
 
@Tiffany you could make that code easier to read by replacing the join with $values[0] and $values[1]. I misread the join as an sql thing, rather than a PHP alias to implode
 
@PeeHaa you could've just pasted the link to the manual, where it clearly states that it is an alias php.net/manual/en/function.join.php
 
2:12 PM
@mega6382 he already said it :P
I wanted to make sure I had it clear in my head, how the join was working with the data
 
:P
sorry, @PeeHaa :/
 
No worries<3
I still love you
 
join(' <3 ', ['peehaa', 'mega6382']);
9
 
lol
@PeeHaa love you too, <3
 
and I'm starting to get sucked into the "refactor all the things" hole ...
the function does a check to see if the property group_ids is a string, and if it is, group_ids is initialized as an array. then it does a check to see if group_ids is an array, and if it is, that's where the rest of the code lives. It seems like this would be a whole lot easier if there was type-checking in the constructor and if the properties were passed into this function, then using conditionals to type-check would be unnecessary. ... I think.
 
2:34 PM
@Tiffany (I don't mean this in as much of an "I told you so" way as this might sound, I can't seem to figure out the words to make it nicer) I say again, just make it work on 7. You aren't making it worse by doing the bare minimum to accomplish this - the awful legacy code can still be refactored tomorrow, but the dependency on an insanely legacy PHP version affects new code as well.
Muddling the refactoring and migration tasks together is a sure-fire route to nothing ever making it to production, the most elegant code in the world is worth nothing unless it makes it out of dev.
 
@DaveRandom yeah, when I started to drift that way, I stopped myself... but then I got distracted ...
back to work
 
The prepared statement work is very important, you should definitely do it, it's should be your #2 priority - but not #1.
 
I can't get the code to work if I don't
everything relies on a god object's query method, and I can't find a way to make it work in PDO using the object operator
 
@DaveRandom "the awful legacy code can still be refactored tomorrow" ...alas tomorrow rarely comes.
 
@Tiffany can you gist it? the original version I mean
 
2:40 PM
yes
 
I still come across comments from years ago that say "Statik Stasis - fix this!"
 
@StatikStasis I might be able to wiggle it... I told my supervisor that getting it on 7 is my priority, but the code needed a lot of extra work to make it not-vulnerable to other threats
@DaveRandom can I send it to you via hangouts?
 
Oh I agree with Dave completely- just making a general statement how refactoring code after it's out of dev just rarely gets my top attention. On to the next thing.
 
@StatikStasis indeed, but I'll take the ability to write new code without needing to dumb it down to 5.3 with legacy code that isn't any worse every time
 
I agree
 
2:43 PM
It's extremely rare that I would describe migrating to parameterisation as priority #2, but this is one of those rare occasions
@Tiffany sure
@Tiffany n.b. I'm also not saying you shouldn't try to do the refactor before release, but if you turn master into "works on 7" first, then when you get half way through the refactor and hate it (which also is almost guaranteed at least once in my experience) you can throw it away without going all the way back to square 1
this internet is so slowwwwww it's insane :-(
 
@DaveRandom sent. not sure if hangout notifications are going through hence ping.
 
2:59 PM
can any one tell me exactly what comet is?
 
@azamkhan this?
 
@mega6382 did not understand
what do you mean
 
Its a space stone, what more do you need to know?
 
@Tiffany When doing dynamic queries, there comes a point where you need to join parts to make a query. Dynamic being variable number of arguments, that you can't know in advance, such as in a mildly complex search system.
 
3:05 PM
hhhhh.. No I mean the one used in programming world
@mega6382
 
@azamkhan it's an object that's typically mostly composed of common forms of water ice, usually in a wide eccentric orbit of the sun. Many large ones with orbital paths crossing that of the earth are visible to the naked eye, due to streams of vapor produced by surface warming caused by the sun. A common misconception is that the visible tail indicates the direction of travel.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier yeah, that's kind of what this table is... it allows communication between two other tables
 
@DaveRandom was this meant as fun???
 
> Spaß ist verboten
 
@DaveRandom You ever both with that SOAP thing?
 
3:07 PM
@Fabor no I got distracted
 
The best kind of distraction is one from SOAP
 
@azamkhan I'd say 50-75% of what he says is sarcasm
 
yes I know @Tiffany
That is why his account is named Random.
 
@azamkhan it's a reference to /dev/null or /dev/random in RHEL(I think) distros
 
3:10 PM
In Unix-like operating systems, /dev/random, /dev/urandom and /dev/arandom are special files that serve as pseudorandom number generators. They allow access to environmental noise collected from device drivers and other sources. /dev/random typically blocks if there is less entropy available than requested; /dev/urandom typically never blocks, even if the pseudorandom number generator seed was not fully initialized with entropy since boot. /dev/arandom blocks after boot until the seed has been securely initialized with enough entropy, and then never blocks again. Not all operating systems implement...
oh, I guess /dev/null and /dev/random are different
I thought they were the same ... that could have been awkward
 
/dev/null is where you save your user's data to gain performance.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier :D
 
ok.. I am not concerned with that.. I want to know about comet
I appreciate what you know @Tiffany
 
no worries... I'm mainly a bunch of hot air anyway
 
@Tiffany One of them you get garbage out of, the other one you put garbage in
 
3:15 PM
GIGO
 
How many are bots here?
 
@Tiffany Interesting, cause I am mostly water
@azamkhan Including me, like 8 total
 
@DaveRandom If you have any time would you mind helping back on that same ol' SOAP issue thing. Doesn't need to be now.
 
@mega6382 yes I can guess...
 
@Fabor sure, later this eve can find an hour or so prob, when are you working til?
 
3:19 PM
@DaveRandom Another 8 hours from now pretty much
Just ping me and I will drop whatever I am doing. Hopefully it should be small. Just a missing field in the export.
 
Did I fail the Turing test?
 
I think so.. :D
you talked like human...
 
 
@azamkhan anyway, I've never heard of comet(or I've probably forgotten), what is it? and what does it have to do with php?
 
3:23 PM
Comet is a web application model in which a long-held HTTPS request allows a web server to push data to a browser, without the browser explicitly requesting it. Comet is an umbrella term, encompassing multiple techniques for achieving this interaction. All these methods rely on features included by default in browsers, such as JavaScript, rather than on non-default plugins. The Comet approach differs from the original model of the web, in which a browser requests a complete web page at a time.The use of Comet techniques in web development predates the use of the word Comet as a neologism for the...
 
@mega6382 this is what I found in google stackoverflow.com/questions/603201/using-comet-with-php not sure if it's the same
 
3 messages moved to Trash
 
@Tiffany hmm, Interesting.
 
mind you, the question/answer are nine years old
so there are likely improvements that aren't reflected in the Q/A, at least I hope that would be the case
 
I thought only I was bad to update myself
so how do you implement realtime chat app if not comet
 
3:27 PM
amphp!
 
3:45 PM
guys, i have a problem trying to access 'filters' values from the request object in laravel 5.6 codeshare.io/jGzQ9
i wanna add,remove or update inside the filters array
if i unset($request['filters']['leasestar_property_id']); i get a "Indirect modification of overloaded element of Illuminate\Http\Request has no effect" error
 
Thanks
 
any ideas how i can manipulate data inside filters ?
 
@PetruLebada have you tried googling the error?
 
@Tiffany, ofc , that was the first thing i did yet the answers i found were not for my case
 
okay, so explain what you've tried and what didn't work and what you're expecting
your original question does not provide enough context for someone to answer
 
4:07 PM
nvm me.
 
@PetruLebada don't change the actual request
God will kill several kittens and a dog for that
 
they had it coming
what with being cute'n all
 
I don't care about the kittens
But there is a dog involved too
 
@PeeHaa </3
 
:(
@Tiffany :D
 
4:09 PM
unrelatingly, animals, the album from Pink Floyd, is very good.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier you sound like my girlfriend :p
 
I have to bring my cat to the vet, she's having trouble keeping food down, and she has a rash. I'm guessing the rash is an allergic reaction to something in the air/environment this time of year, because she had it last year around the same time, too. But I have to be careful with food for now :/ I'm a little afraid she's become allergic to the type of food I've been feeding her.
 
@PeeHaa yeah, about that. we need to speak, honey.
:D
 
... I think I've trained her to puke on the kitchen floor, though ...
instead of the carpet
 
4:11 PM
@Tiffany lol
 
There was one day I kept moving her to the kitchen floor, cause linoleum is easier to clean... and last night ... most of it was on the kitchen floor
anyway, enough talking about cat vomit
 
reality-check: the route '[/{path:.+}]' should actually match query paths with forward slashes such as '/query/path' in http-server-router yes?
> The Router will decode the URI path before matching.
right I never understand written instructions.
 
4:27 PM
Lower-case ß is capitalized as SS instead of ẞ – #76696
 
What did SS ever do wrong?
 
Weird bug
 
4:43 PM
@PeeHaa tempted to single comment bookmark that for out of context lulz
 
!!> echo mb_strtoupper("Straße");
 
@Jeeves why is that?
 
@mega6382 cause encoding? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier :-)
 
4:53 PM
If i want to add a key to laravel resource, how can i do it?
my resoruce sends a list of products
but i want to add a key "count" => {products count}
 
this scene is amazing (spoilers Star Trek Beyond)
 
 
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5:58 PM
@Jony strong chance you'll get better success asking laravel questions here: larachat.co
I think... I dunno. I've never been in the chat, honestly. But that's where I direct people to.
oh god ... larachat.co/team
> Shawn love's being involved in the startup world
> love's
 
which one?
- if you click on element "div.qandacontent"
- if you click on "div.qandacontent" element
 
either would work, but I prefer the former
 
thx
 
6:20 PM
If I still allowed myself to open the production web server in phpstorm, I would've just took down the website for a couple minutes. Thought I was editing a file on one dev site, but I was editing the same file on a different dev site. Woops.
 
6:59 PM
evenin
 
7:45 PM
heh, nice, ssh is in powershell
 
Wes
\o
 
8:00 PM
o/
 
8:18 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier \o/
 
8:28 PM
> Felix, all signs point to "YES!" Based on your purchase history, we think you're really going to love these new additions. Check it out and see for yourself.
That honesty right there.
The best in that situation, is that I really like the mononoke princess t-shirt they are trying to sell me
... gods I can't write.
 
from where?
 
10 mins ago, by Félix Gagnon-Grenier
> Felix, all signs point to "YES!" Based on your purchase history, we think you're really going to love these new additions. Check it out and see for yourself.
 
... what store ...?
 
8:39 PM
:P God of Tee
I believe I deleted a few of their things in the past before realizing it was not tea
 
This page isn’t working
www.godoftee.com redirected you too many times.
Try clearing your cookies.
ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS

:(
might be blocked in our firewall
 
Bit too close to Gaddafi if you ask me.
 
fwiw Gaddafi was just misunderstood
 
@Fabor where do you live in Vietnam now?
 
Da Nang
 
8:42 PM
is it in the mountains?
 
Nah. There's some mountains near by but this is a beach city.
 
ah, was asking a coworker about it, but I thought it was spelled like "Da Nin"
he said it was in the middle of the country, which is usually the hottest part, but that was up in the mountains, so it's cooler
he's Vietnamese
 
He'll know Da Nang if you mention it. Pretty popular.
 
8:57 PM
old apartment had a better view :P
 
Yeah but new one is more modern. Plus a real balcony.
 
:D
 
9:17 PM
@PeeHaa OK, what is up with you today?
First SS and now Gaddafi
 
Sometimes... I just loathe people. Trying to hire and fill positions only to have the people not show up for interviews makes me want to build robots to do the job... and I have never done anything with robotics... but I am tempted to learn.
 
!!chuck
 
That's not Chuck Norris doing push-ups -- that's Chuck Norris moving the Earth away from the path of a deadly asteroid.
 
9:32 PM
!!skeet
 
Jon Skeet destroyed the periodic table, because Jon Skeet only recognizes the element of surprise.
 
After one of the most absurd moments within my work, I am now officially back on the job market
Here goes :P
 
That sounds gory
 
@Alesana O_O What happened?
 
Just the boss having an extremely immature argument with a fellow employee who was quitting because of disorganization. The boss was telling him he was a bad designer anyways, he wouldn't want to keep him, etc.. Then they called me in on the conversation telling me that we're changing the way we do everything, that we need to record our screen when working, etc... Then my other manager tells me to ignore what my boss is saying and it's all for show.
Then my boss calling me and telling me that we can't use Javascript on websites anymore because Google hates Javascript
So instead we need to use AMP
Which makes absolutely no sense in so many ways
 
9:49 PM
gods
... that will sound cheesy but... you're better off out of there
 
@Alesana you should write this stuff down so you can make amusing annecdotes about it in years to come.
 
@Danack Yeah.. I will save the Skype logs for sure haha
 
...usb drives are your friends...
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I'll wait until I have a job offer before putting in my two week notice, even if it's hard to do haha
Good point ^^. I don't know how they have like 30+ clients and nobody has any idea what they're doing
 
oh I had assumed you were already out.
 
9:52 PM
I should be haha
 
having a job can also be worthwhile, that being said ;)
 
Jobs - can't live with them and can't live without them
I actually was really happy to get a salary job doing something I love doing - but the job turned out to be way different than the job description and I'm barely doing programming
 
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