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7:00 AM
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@RaghavSood ooo... That is a great idea. Never heard of that before. And I read a fair amount of financial literature.
 
X_X
 
i use that for games
 
I do that for stuff that'll improve my quality of life, but it's not like I'm gonna die without it
Noise Cancelling headphones being a good example
I want the Bose QC35
But I am never going to pay $350 for them
 
i should cut on headphone expenditure, but they break up a lot.
 
7:01 AM
I have a whole list of electronics that I want. Do not have the prices I will pay, though.
 
Buy a good set once, keep it for ages
 
i think i spend 20€ on a new pair every 6-8 months
 
That's another thing worth saving up for
It's like shoes
You can buy a $10 shoe 10 times in 5 years
Or a $60 shoe in a few months, but that'll last you 5 years
Sometimes, buying quality stuff is worth it
At other times, you realise the $1 HDMI cable is as good as the $100 Monster Cable, so meh
 
well on shoes i really go the cheapo way, so far the paid price has always topped the expected duration
 
Well, yeah. That was more of an India specific example
 
7:03 AM
i'm wearing a 2 year old, 6€ pair of trail runners from decathlon.
 
We have some really crappy shoes
 
I spent $30 on clothes a couple of days ago. That is more than I have spent for several months. But then, my arrive is starting to show it, too.
 
and last time i bought a pair of boots for 40€ they lasted 1.5y
 
You just gotta find a balance between what you earn, what you need to earn, what you must spend, and the stuff you want to spend on, and the stuff you can spend on
 
i don't know where decathlon sews it's trail running shoes but they have lasted too much
yeah
 
7:04 AM
It's a fine pentagram, but once you're centered in it it's really hard to be in a situation where you're completely helpless
 
and i also need to get a raise from time to time too. that'd help.
 
I've had decent success in the past at just walking up to mom&pop stores and offering to make a website/app/poster/setup CCTVs and whatnot for a bit of extra cash
 
i am currently slightly over the average worker salary, i'd reallly really use some extra cash to save up.
 
@RaghavSood I have now decided you are my hero.
 
mom&pop ?
whaddat-
 
7:07 AM
Small stores owned by a single family/single owner
 
Locally owned
 
Chain stores already have their IT guys
Smaller ones are happy to pay a small amount for a small task, but still a large enough amount to be worth it for you
 
aah. nice. not many left here, and those that do really don't care about It-izing themselves
 
Yeah, C-A put it better
@CptEric Most want it on some level, but don't want to put in the effort to find an IT guy, pay him/her $$$ and so on
I usually pitch absurdly low rates, but high enough to be worth my time
A small store's website takes me maybe 2 hours to do
I ask for $600, settle between 300-500
More than worth it, since it's basically modifying templates and colours
Plus, you can usually land a recurring thing like $50 to update it once in a few months and all
 
yeah but small stores here are groceries - veggies - etc stores. they don't have the time to spend teching themselves up nor their target client is technicized enough to do so.
 
7:09 AM
So just charge lower
If a store still turns you down at 50 euros, walk away
 
i did done cold door sales before my first job, and i met most of them
 
But if you get even 2/month at a couple of hundred euros, you're debt free in less than a year
 
they'd even reject 1500$ of savings just because they're fine as they are
 
You don't need to win them all, just enough
 
What do you use to make those sites? WP or something?
 
7:10 AM
old adult (> 50yo) people are very static here
 
Depends on the site. Most stores are okay with a landing page, for which I get a free HTML template and put it up somewhere. For stores that want to post periodic updates, I'll usually add WP just because it's super easy for non-tech people to use
@CptEric I'll believe you when you have gone and spoken to all of them within a period of 3 months starting today and every single one turns you down
 
Where do you host it?
 
i literally told an old lady that had a small bar that she was being charged by her electrical provider the same amount that a 200m2 store was ( 120Kw/h of line strength), but that she was only using 15khw. didn't even flicker.
showed here the real numbers, even the supermarket store ones.
 
@Code-Apprentice I've mostly done this with multiple shops in a town, so I usually ask them all to chip in $50/year for hosting and get a decent sized VPS for the town/locality
 
i could do it in an afternoon lol. there's about only 3-4 left on my neighborhood.
but it's not worth it.
 
7:13 AM
VPS?
 
virtual private server
 
Cloud server/virtual private server
Digital Ocean/AWS
 
so he buys a "20 databases + 20gig/day server" , and makes them pay a small % of that
 
Yeah, pretty much. These aren't high traffic sites, so you don't need too much
A decent sized machine can cater to a whole bunch
 
7:14 AM
oh btw @W0MP3R , i'll need space on your hosting
 
So your clients pay the fees for the cloud services?
 
we lowered ours to only 1 db bc it was not worth it, i didn't remember.
 
I pay, and pass on the charges to them
 
yeah, ours do
 
I split up the cost between a few different clients
For instance, a medium digital ocean server runs me about $120-$240 a year
So I'll split it up as $40/person among 3 clients and so on
 
7:15 AM
@RaghavSood yeah, that answers my question.
 
again, i couldn't do that raghav due to work laws, my company already offers the same services i'm willing to offer at lower rates outside work hours. not legal here.
 
Hmm, yeah that might be a blocker
Do online freelance, then
The thing is, in tech, there's always ways to make a bit more cash on the side
Just gotta find them
 
it's a scam, rates are really low due to many indian companies
 
Have you ever done freelancer.com or ODesk or anything similar, rag?
 
i once offered 200 for a website and got beaten up to 50€
 
7:17 AM
You're allowed to complain about low rates when they are beaten by your current side income of 0 :P
 
> freelancer.com
 
Obviously don't do stuff for like 10euros but yeah
 
^there i did
50€ for a blog + ecommerce + branding?
 
I tried, but those are pretty useless quality and price wise
 
I have user accounts with both, but am intimidated to submit proposals/bids
 
7:18 AM
that's not a price i'm willing to be paid
 
I go by word of mouth
 
i'd spend that just on the coffe lol
 
That's fair enough. Word of mouth is what'll usually get you decent work
 
i'm also planning a yearly sbuscription based service that might land in some cash
 
Freelancer.com etc. are overrun by Indian/Chinese/Vietnamese companies with 30 developers working for nothing
 
7:19 AM
to share with w0mp ofcourse
 
I'm trying to build a niche for myself as a bitcoin/crypto developer
 
atleast enough cash to cover for the hosting + a movie ticket.
 
Not too many of those around, so hopefully should pan out into decent side cash
 
> bitcoin/crypto developer
what do you develop?
software that farms them?
 
Yah, it is difficult to compete in a global market where other freelancers have such a lower cost of living.
 
7:20 AM
yup
 
Nah, payment systems for sites/platforms to accept BTC and all
Unique address per payment, monitoring payment status, automatic payments/refunds etc.
 
just got an email
>
Need a logo? join freelancer.com and get one for as low as 5$
-_-'
 
I need to move to Vietnam
Cheap living!
 
nice idea raghav.
 
I have a few friends who work remotely with US companies for about 5-7k a month
And live in super cheap countries like kings
It's doable, but you have to be able to accept the lifestyle there
 
7:23 AM
As long as I have a laptop and high speed internet, I can forgo many things
I will live in a cardboard box if I have to
 
well USA stuff is always more expensive
 
The thing is, even after all this effort of saving up everything I can, college just rips it all out :(
 
True dat!
 
It's just so ridiculously expensive
 
come to college in europe raghav
 
7:24 AM
Probably will for a masters if I get one
 
college is almost free in most countries, masters are expensive but not that much
 
One of my class mates was a Sweden national. They paid free his entire schooling.
They = the government
 
I could literally be living like a king in Indonesia right now if I took everything I've spent on college so far and moved to Indonesia
I'd never have to work a day in my life
 
a year in UPENN is a decade of spanish savings
or my yearly MP's salary.
 
Last I knew a friend of mine was in Bali. Not sure if he is still there.
 
7:26 AM
People in India save up their entire lives to send their kids to college abroad
Bali is nice
 
the most expensive places to study are UK and USA, that i know
sup tim
 
I have a mental pledge that in the next 50 years or so I'm gonna burn down every single profit based education system
Probably not gonna happen
But on the off chance that I end up as a billionaire, Imma rip them apart brick by brick
 
in spain a masters is between 1500 and 4000
 
Man, I need to get to sleep. Not tired, though. Took a nap earlier.
 
7:28 AM
same here code
 
I need to be up again in less than 7 hours. Busy day tomorrow.
 
been coding for a few ours already.
and I should get up in two hours lol
drank too much redbull.
 
go to sleep both lol
@RaghavSood , how do i set up an AWS server?
simple hosting
 
Don't
Use DigitalOcean
 
lol
 
7:29 AM
AWS is good when you don't need it simple
 
differences?
what do i get in DigitalOcean?
 
AWS is built for enterprise level system, DigitalOcean is aimed at us simple folk
 
oh.
 
It is possible to do everything you can on DigitalOcean on AWS, it's just a lot more work
 
but, if i get DO, what do i get?
i mean, does it come with any preinstalled stuff?
 
7:30 AM
but if you chose to go for AWS, don't forget to shut your instances down. Ever.
 
or is it like AWS?
 
Your choice
You can start with a basic Ubuntu server
Or have it preloaded with Wordpress or something
They have a bunch of apps
Or you can just do a clean install and install what you need yourself
It's the same as AWS in its most basic
You get a fresh linux/windows install on a VM in some datacenter.
 
aha
uhm.
 
o/
 
i don't know how to DNS or that stuff.
 
7:31 AM
cf o/
 
so that might a problem.
 
You can learn the basics you need for Digital Ocean in about 5 minutes
And I can help you out with all that if I'm around
Which I usually am, so...
 
mauker online at this time o_0?
 
That's my secret cf. I'm always online.
 
I charge $20/help session of 3 hours though
 
7:32 AM
lol raghav
 
can we decide what the session will be about?
 
As long as it is within my technical skills, yes
 
lol boss
 
>.<
Since I'm so nice, I'll even charge Tim the same rate!
Instead of our usual Base+50% TimRate
 
LOL
Timterest
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7:36 AM
hmm
5€/month is too much tho
 
I believe the Github Student pack gives you some digital ocean credit
 
> $50 in platform credit
 
@CptEric they actually charge per hour of use up to the monthly cap
 
@RaghavSood It does, 100 bucks I guess
 
@RaghavSood so do your clients continue to pay the monthly hoisting fee to you. What happens if they miss a payment?
 
7:39 AM
@Code-Apprentice Everybody dies™
 
@RaghavSood what is GitHub student pack?
 
I charge upfront for as many years as they agreed to have me maintain their site for
 
so i've got 10 months
 
Usually 1-3 years
I haven't had a client actually run out of that time frame yet, so I dunno what I'll do if they don't pay up
 
7:40 AM
Probably take the site down
 
And you charge like $40 per year?
 
Depends on how many people are sharing a server and the server's cost, but the average is about $30/year
 
okay raghav. would you please hangouts me how do i setup my own super simple backend service?
i offer you... all the spanish food you can eat when you do your euro trip.
 
Paella forever
4
 
Talking about trips. Who wants to go to Yellowstone with me this summer?
 
7:43 AM
Maybe some year, but probably not this one C-A
 
i would love to but i don't have savings yet
next year, maybe. i want to do a big trip each year.
 
Definitely work on that, Eric
I will probably rent a car in August and go see some of the park.
Maybe with my brother
 
awesome
 
wow
saving class
@Mauker lmao
 
I'm failing miserably on saving money this year
 
7:51 AM
That's me ever since I got into college
 
And when I finally got a freelance to help with that, I managed to get in a car accident
 
I save, and save, and save and then there's nothing
 
well i agree with raghav but then i thought to save more i need to earn more , so i started earning more
 
Are you Eric2.0?
You sound like Eric2.0
 
now my saving are on a good level
lol raghav
 
7:51 AM
o/
 
o/
mauker : car accident how?
 
@RaghavSood Well, my great grand parents came from Spain lmao
 
not following traffic rules?
 
He saw Paella on the roadside
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So Eric4.0
 
lmao mauker
 
7:52 AM
@ColdFire Nothing serious, but had to pay for the fix
 
Eh, CF didn't ask if you were fine or if it was serious
He just wants to know the logistics
 
well here people mostly run away after they hit
 
Your wellbeing is secondary to having a complete picture
 
lol
 
I've been in accidents before
but this time it was really my fault
and I'm paying for it
I'm not one of the runners lol
 
7:54 AM
well then good boy
i said about here in india
 
It's not that different in here
Like I said
I've been in car accidents before
and the MFs ran away
 
well same for me a guy hit me and ran
leaving me there covered in blood
damn the guy
 
damn
so far my accidents have been fatal for the car, and had no otehr cars involved
accident 1) ran over loose ground gravel on a curve, car made a 180 flip and i ended upside down stuck on a tree.
 
I've been hit by a couple of cars while walking, but never while driving
 
got 6 stitches in my head
 
7:56 AM
My driving record so far is 10/10
 
raghav same i was walking
 
accident 2) my car stepped on a concrete hole that broke the turbo injection system, spilling oil eerywhere and burning the engine
accident 3) a truck wheel exploded infront of me and i ate it up.
the third was paid by the truck driver company tho
 
Eric
 
yes?
 
I believe someone's is doing some hard voodoo shit on you
2
 
7:57 AM
stop driving?
 
yes, and that.
 
my gf said that a couple times
 
I think we should get Eric a chariot
Between that and his armour and swords, he'll probably be safer
 
allergic to horses.
 
God dammit
 
7:59 AM
Donkeys, then
 
Bike?
 
He won't even make it out of the parking lot
Yay up S#328 on ETH
 
lol
 
This is great
 
wow nice
damn those 2 week KYC
i cant buy eth and Bit :(
 
8:00 AM
BTC crossed $3k today
 
really?
 
[REDACTED]
 
Yup
 
[REDACTED]
 
what are you doing mauker :/
 
8:03 AM
Why are you upset cf?
 
nothing
 
This is gonna be Eric soon, get your kidnappers ready:
user image
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lmao
 
lol Android: I/ListPopupWindow: Could not find method setEpicenterBounds(Rect) on PopupWindow. Oh well.
 
Review for the local library:
> I don't like books.
 
8:11 AM
lol
 
@BoantaIonut You need at least 80 rep, and a a:q ratio of 3:4 to talk here. Please see this link for more details.
 
Can ROs delete messages after the time limit us mere mortals have?
 
Hmm no
 
no but they can move them
 
Best we can do is move it to another room
 
8:15 AM
Can mods?
 
Probably
You can flag it for mod attention
 
K, I will just flag
Did not think about how specific that link was until too late
 
Lol
Don't worry C-A
We pwned you the moment you touched your first dial up modem
 
I am no match for your hax0r skills
that is pretty amazing that you could do that from the womb
 
Not I, we
Skynet has existed long before mere mankind
 
8:20 AM
We who?
Oh, I forget you are a bot in the form of a 20 something
Is Skynet plural? Or just a singular omnipresence?
 
the singularity
 
We transcended mere physicality aeons ago
We are nothing and everything at once
 
Can I join you?
 
There is no option to join us. We conquer, that is all.
 
Ok...I really need to try to get some sleep. Gnite all.
 
8:35 AM
Same here
good night o/
or morning
 
morning all o/
@CptEric that sounds scary
 
good night
o/ mark
 
o/
|
^
I can't draw :(
 
8:53 AM
@MarkO'Sullivan happened in like 4 seconds, no time to be scared.
 
upside down and you didnt got hurt?
 
o/
 
nope
just some neck pain
that i should totally not have reported
made me get a 180€ fine on the next year insurance
because the idiot at the phone reported "light human casualties"
instead of "driver injure due to external forces"
 

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