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7:01 PM
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
 
user559633
He played within the rules of system and won. If there was no electoral college he would have played for popular vote, but there's an electoral college, so his campaign planned accordingly.
 
some time ago I thought realDonaldTrump was a hoax account :D
 
Was it linked here how Trump's tweets are written by two people, only half of which is Trump?
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak Twitter accounts are typically run by multiple people.
 
yeah but Data Scienced
 
7:03 PM
@AndrasDeak Was researched upon by DRob
 
You can tell based on what it was sent from. Android == him, iPhone == staffers / interns / etc.
 
it's already half a miracle that one of those people is Trump
 
@KevinMGranger What if the staffers and interns uses android...
 
Then they have to do whatever drugs he does too.
 
something something orange extract
 
7:10 PM
I wonder if he'll get a presidential Android device
 
user559633
I'm out. Later all.
 
rhubarb tristan
cbg Ilja
 
wat
take care
 
7:15 PM
Can't tell if serious or not.
 
Wait wat?
@Programmer He can't add back himself.
 
user6568562
@tristan Come on, dude : / We like you being RO
 
there's probably more to it than that, give him his space
 
user6568562
A reminder of appreciation, that's all [ :
 
sure:)
 
7:27 PM
i love you all in sick twisted way. please accept my love.
 
But my heart was ritualistically removed during my third year of CS education, as is customary.
 
I must of miss that day(s) of my CS education. Must have been one of those days where I skipped class to work on a project for another class.
 
The Raspberry Pi they replaced it with is much more efficient, but the edges are a bit sharp
 
wait, who was it with memory slots and their unchanging sharpness throughout the ages?
 
The Call Of The Void compels me to share its bluetooth pairing password with strangers, but I must resist...
 
7:30 PM
I'm thinking of buying the new pi2 to run a mini linux server to host my site, but then I read a few articles about how that could lead to my network being exposed and now I'm just searching to find a host
 
@Kevin I think an autoclave just runs on 110v
 
depending on country
 
@MooingRawr you can get 12 months for $1: alpharacks.com/myrack/cart.php
I picked one up... and am currently doing nothing with it :(
lol
 
"New Website Special - Los Angeles OVZ 1GB " looks so worth for 2 bucks cad for a year....
Thanks, I guess I'll look into it some more later
I love writing to my company's wiki page on things I've developed. Makes me feel important and special even though in the grand scope of things, it's not that big of a deal.
 
7:48 PM
if life gives you a wiki page, go crazy
 
Also the similar when QA asks questions about the wiki and the program you've made. Feels good when you know someone read and is testing your software, even though you know it's their job too... I wonder if this is the same feeling about those open source projects.
 
pretty much
 
I've always wanted to join an open source program or try too, but when reading what they want I don't think (scared of) getting in their way or messing up lol, so I tend to just lurk on those projects from a distance lol
 
@MooingRawr good thing, those home-made endorphins are all you get for payment:P
 
I dont care if I waste my time failing but I dont wanna waste other people's time (either fixing or what not my mistakes)
@AndrasDeak hey man, when my perfect world of robots creating everything we need and we can just reap benefits, that's the only payment humans would ever want xD
 
7:53 PM
apart from "another day without being exterminated"
 
anything new from the war?
 
nope
 
user6568562
@khajvah If it's the war on drugs, we're winning
 
user6568562
We're the drugs, in case you were wondering
 
8:11 PM
Is there a way to have a writable instance variable that throws an exception if it hasn't been initialized? I'm parsing some stuff, and I have to merge two objects. Neither of those objects are valid on their own, but one is a more complete object, so I'm just copying some of the data from the secondary to the primary, but I want an exception to be thrown if I try to access the data on the primary before it's been loaded.
That way I can trace down which record isn't being accessed.
My thought is to do something like this, but then there's not a good way of setting it from the secondary.
class Foo:
	@property
	def my_data():
		raise ValueError
 
those look suspiciously like tabs
that's a paddlin'
 
I forgot to change N++ to sub tabs with spaces after I reinstalled my OS. :P
 
right:P
Today I realized that I haven't reinstalled the periodic table on my system after I reinstalled my OS. But that's hardly the same league now, is it?
 
Oooo, turns out you can do this:
    @property
    def data(self):
        if self._is_set:
            return self._data
        raise ValueError("Data has not been set for this object.")

    @data.setter
    def data(self, value):
        self._is_set = True
        self._data = value
I had no idea .setter was a thing.
 
ofc it is
 
8:18 PM
it was discussed here multiple times
 
I've never had cause to use it before.
 
but idk why can't you just have _data uninitialized?
or .. what's the point here...
 
Because it means that my parsing has failed and the rest of the program will be pointless.
So I want to know as soon as possible.
 
I am not sure if we're on the same page at all :D
sounds like an xy-problem, why half-finished objects?
 
Basically, I'm parsing two file, A and B.
 
8:20 PM
phew, that was hard:D
 
A has 99% of the data I need, but B has two fields that I need. So, I parse A and then parse B and link the data together.
If I can't get those two fields from B for a given record, there's no point in continuing.
 
so start with B?
 
Then I run into the issue from the other end. :P I don't know what the complete set of records I need are until I've parsed A.
These are fixed length files of government data, so it's exactly as screwy and terrible as it sounds to parse it.
 
so "hit Jim in the head until he gives in and puts B into A" is not an option
 
No. :(
 
8:32 PM
I am just not sure how this parsing of files is related to the fact that _data could be unset?
 
Because the ID for record Y in A and B might be slightly off, so there's a chance I have to go in and manually fix up B.
 
hire an intern
 
We have interns. I made the mistake of taking this project on last year, and we keep running into weird edge cases.
And I'm the only one with enough Python knowledge/free time to fix this stupid tool.
 
well, that's not so bad
being The Python Guy must have its perks:)
 
It's decent enough.
 
8:38 PM
The feck is wrong with Zed A Shaw?
 
@AndrasDeak "perks"?
@AndrasDeak as in "You can code python, so you will fix this. Since I can't contribute to coding, I shall manage you"
 
dunno, I imagine it to be btter than being "that guy who knows python but doesn't ever work with it"
 
@Ffisegydd he says he knows martial arts, perhaps his block ain't that good ...
 
Someone give poke a damn medal though
 
@Ffisegydd I think he was drunk when writing that
 
8:42 PM
Srsly
 
I still stand by my belief of it being satire
 
Of course he was drunk, he's German, he was born drunk and still hasn't sobered up.
</casual-racism>
 
@Ffisegydd Thanks
 
@khajvah no just the normal German lunch drinks :d
 
@khajvah I actually don’t drink
 
8:43 PM
@Ffisegydd ok he was sober when writing that
@poke not you
 
@poke ssh
 
Zed baby
 
Oh
I see
 
but he's German too
 
don't ruin my image of Germans
 
8:43 PM
so he probably was, anyway
 
Oh yeah I see too.
 
@AndrasDeak for real?
 
@poke I was talking about you...
 
Now I’m confused
 
maybe Fizzy also misunderstood khajvah
 
8:44 PM
@poke but seriously, you dont drink?
 
Nah Shaw strikes me as someone who wouldn't pollute his temple with toxins lest the bottle have an umlaut in it and his mind fails to parse it.
 
@khajvah I don’t, no
 
what is "drinking" here
 
:D
lo
 
water, apple juice, non-alcoholic beer?
 
8:45 PM
drinking = alcohol :P
I don’t drink any alcohol.
 
"sorry can't take that medicine, contains ethanol"
 
I do drink other fluids to keep my body hydrated.
 
nice
 
"hem, that chewing gum has xylitol, I must pass"
 
So, back to the important topics: Shaw is German too?!?!
 
8:46 PM
@AnttiHaapala that's cheeing, not drinking
 
@poke do you drink on very special occasions or do you just order like sparkling water or something else during special occasions ? (say like best friend wedding or something)
 
How can I do changes to my Tkinter window after Tk.mainloop()is executed?
 
@MooingRawr No alcohol, not even for special occasions :)
 
I became a teetotaler on my 18th birthday when it became legal for me to drink.
but that only lasted for 8 months :(
 
@PichiWuana call update()
 
8:47 PM
yeah I wasn't drinking when I wasn't 18
 
@poke I like you more now
 
:D
 
I had so bad hangover the week before my birthday... that's why
 
I’m collecting lots of bonus points today it seems
 
plot twist
 
8:48 PM
@MooingRawr Oooh thanks
 
I drank a bottle of Malibu
I swore I will stop drinking until I turn 50.
well, almost
 
I became a mod, so no more drinking :D ......"Don't drink and moderate"
8
 
@AnttiHaapala 50 what?
 
years old
 
ah
 
8:50 PM
but not a day sooner
 
@AnttiHaapala I thought it was a new thing which converts to the day after
 
I'd want to see a picture of him when he's 49 yrs and 364 days
 
Is it very bad to not use a class when I'm working with Tkinter?
 
@poke I don't think so, I think Fizzy meant you...
 
wim
Malibu looool
bottle of malibu = sugar overload
 
8:52 PM
@AndrasDeak Okay, thought so. That confused me.
 
what's malibu?
 
lmgtfy:P
coastal area in the USA
posh place
 
can you drink that?
 
Finns can drink anything
 
wim
@BhargavRao Well, there is also "drink in moderation" if it suits you ....
 
8:53 PM
"in moderation", "during moderation", potayto potahto
 
oh it's a rum
nice
I like rum
 
wim
It's not like that kind of rum
 
@wim Yep, That's better :D
Anyway, Time to leave. Rhubarb all.
 
actually, sugar overload sounds like my kind of drink, if we remove the alcohol
@BhargavRao rhubarb
 
bye BR \o have a nice day
 
wim
8:54 PM
it's a white rum that is packed full of sugars and coconut flavours and stuff , and underage girls drink it with pineapple juice
 
Coconut? I'll pass
 
oh, I don't like sweat that much
sometimes I don't consume sweat for so long that I feel sleepy
then I drink coca cola and suddenly wake up
 
you're gross
I don't ever consume sweat
 
wim
who were the other mods? how many do they choose?
 
3
Bhargav, deceze and Aaron Hall
the one who didn't even answer the questionnaire made it to round 8 out of 11 in the final count
 
wim
8:58 PM
Bhargav SO will eat up all your time, you have no chance to get a girlfriend now ..
 
that's a great job for me
I will have an excuse, at least
 
it's more constructive to not have an excuse and get a partner if you have such interests
 
I hate coconut.
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala Right
 
user6568562
Fresh it tastes like it's rotten
 
9:03 PM
I only like it after multiple levels of processing. Such as bounty bars or coconut balls
 
... so drinking a bottle of sweet coconut rum sounds like a winner choice, right?
 
and coconut balls taste like rum so doesn't count
 
coconut balls?
 
user6568562
I'm giggling, you know
 
@AnttiHaapala isn't it illegal to force people to do things they don't want to do in your country?:P
*sigh*
 
user6568562
9:05 PM
But sometimes, I crave half a bounty bar. I manually proprtion down the coconut to a tolerable level
 
@AndrasDeak yes, except if you voluntarily force yourself
 
@AnttiHaapala here we call that "stupid"
 
@AndrasDeak that's actually creepy...
 
that's actually pretty good
 
9:05 PM
@AndrasDeak that's cheap vodka
 
here too, thus far that hasn't been forbidden
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Is it also filled with coconut in the inside ?
 
made of ground biscuits, and rum, and cocoa
@randomhopeful nope, just the outside, usually
 
user6568562
Well, that's pretty genius
 
wim
Sometimes I wonder if @zedshaw is just Armin Ronacher's trolling account
 
user6568562
9:06 PM
I want some, now
 
rum's mostly aroma, you know:P
 
user6568562
That can be forgiven :D
 
user6568562
Not encouraged, but forgiven
 
random recipe, there are many variants (this one belongs to the image I googled). It's so simple that even stereotypical males can do it easily
but you need a good recipe for it to be good, it easily gets too biscuity or dry or other problems
 
user6568562
Heyy, my mom used to make delicious chocolate cake with that kind of biscuit
 
user6568562
9:09 PM
"Courant d'air"
 
@wim possibly
 
user6568562
 
user6568562
Mom's were better, obviously
 
9:28 PM
Oh shit, I just realized! @khajvah, is marlenka really from Armenia? And do you call it that?:D
 
@AndrasDeak whats that :D
 
honey cake
allegedly from Armenia, but it has a Czech name
 
@AndrasDeak Dortik
?
 
doesn't look like it
it's walnuty/cocoa-ey
 
@AndrasDeak I saw a picture of marlenka with "Dortik" written on it. It's not strictly Armenian word but "Dortik" is a cute name we use
 
9:31 PM
but I vaguely remember an "old Armenian family recipe" storyline in marketing, so it might be BS (well, or not a national food anyway)
@khajvah ah, I see:)
googling dortik results in all sorts of things
 
Looks like it's the same marlenka.us/product-tag/dortik
 
yes, there were also marlenkas there:D
 
I've never had those, but it looks delicious.
 
> In 2003, the Armenian Gevorg Avetisjan founded with his sister the Czech company in Frydek-Mistek which produces honey cakes MARLENKA® based on an old Armenian family recipe.
from their website
 
ooooh, nice, thanks
authentic information from a local;))
 
9:34 PM
you will hear all kinds of successful stories of Armenians but rarely from Armenia
the best one is probably Picsart
 
My Talk Python To Me interview is live: talkpython.fm/episodes/show/86/python-at-stackoverflow
14
 
woo:)
 
Nice! Now I need to download it and make the time to listen ;)
 
10:13 PM
Anyone here know how to use Django?
Im just starting to use it but having trouble
 
@JoshK see the room rules at sopython.com/chatroom
 
@WayneWerner Ok Sorry, I am having problems loading static files. manage.py findstatic cannot file the static file even though I have put all the information in settings.
 
10:28 PM
martijn really sounds dutch...
 
wim
@AnttiHaapala surprise surprise
Would be interested to hear more about fb monorepo
I have never worked at a company using monorepo
 
well, last time when I listened to him I didn't really pay attention (I was a bit tired) :D
 
wim
that FB repo is bigger than linux kernel repo is somewhat of a wat ....
 
Helloooo
 
well, as Martijn told here before it is because they store all binaries and such...
it is more about file management than source code...
 
wim
10:32 PM
huh ... storing binaries in repo is also a wat for me ...
what's the significance of an outline star vs a solid star in chat ?
 
1 quick question, how do you transform for example:
foo = {1:{1,2,3,4,5}, 2:{2,3}} into
foo = {1:[1,2,3,4,5],2:[2,3]}?
 
@AnttiHaapala >> @AndrasDeak hmm, googled Pekka a bit and seems that he indeed is half-Finnish
 
Figured out
 
Indeed I am!
 
@Pekka웃 heya!:)
 
10:38 PM
Hey!
 
@Pekka웃 cbg
 
hi @Pekka웃
 
@AnttiHaapala in fact, my mum was born in the town you seem to reside in
 
the stalkee finds the stalkers, awkward
 
Haha
 
10:39 PM
:D
I am the master stalker :P
 
@BlueMonday just call list() on the value when iterating through the dictionary
 
Yeah, figured out :D
Is this possible to be squeezed?
foo = dict(foo)
for k,v in foo.items():
    foo[k] = list(v)
foo = [(k,v) for k,v in foo.items()
? But not sure for the rest..
 
@BlueMonday look up dictionary comprehension
 
@Pekka웃 well I was born here as well
 
kk thanks
 
10:43 PM
Unfortunately I still live here :d
 
wim
Hi Pekka 웂 웃 웄 웅 웆 웇 웈 웉 웊 웋 워
 
@wim no korean allowed here!!
 
wim
he started it ...
 
When using django static files, how do i add them to urls?
 
good night
 
10:50 PM
gn
 
@Andras Good night
 
cbg
 
@AnttiHaapala nice. It's a beautiful town.
I was born in Helsinki
But never lived there. We moved to Germany pretty quickly
I spent a lot of my childhood in Piippola, though
Just around the corner from you.
 
wim
Canary islands sounds alright
how is the internet connection there?
 
well, especially after Piippola
 
11:02 PM
Expensive, but OK!
@AnttiHaapala haha
I have 3mbps, they cost 40 Euros per month
I could have up to 10, but don't need more.
That's because I live off the grid though.
 
@wim piippola is a former municipality in Finland, basically, two roads cross there.
nice
 
People with DSL get up to 50mbps, I think
@AnttiHaapala that is a remarkably accurate description of Piippola :)
There is a church, though, and a gas station.
I do miss the forests, though! Hoping to be able to visit next year.
Haven't been to Finland in 10 years.
 
well about time then
 
Yup!
 
though, right now I'd rather be closer to equator
 
11:06 PM
Understandable!
ALthough it is really cool here, too, right now
We're between rains, and the nights get cold.
 
we had first snow, but now it is pouring water again...
 
I see!
 
18 C during the day? T-shirt and shorts weather for me.
 
in C, 22 secs ago, by Peter Varo
Humble Book Bundle (13:19:44 left)
 
cheapo
old tho
but could read the lex yacc book
 

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