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3:01 PM
Jun 13 at 0:56, by Cubbi
@AndyProwl psst, he loved that video and even played it for others at work.
 
@AndyProwl And...?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ They both work at Morgan Stanley
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ and what?
you asked if he did
 
@AndyProwl Joffrey is confused.
 
@Xeo Either way, it means that there is a bug in g++ since it's not consistent to begin with.
 
3:02 PM
jefffail
 
Xeo
@Morwenn yea
And possibly a bug in clang
 
Yep.
 
Xeo
Aww yis, russian loca arrived
 
@AndyProwl Oh I thought you were replying to this message.
 
3:03 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ nah, I can't tell if the account is real or not
I'd just assume it is based on the content and style of what he wrote
but I wouldn't be too surprised if it weren't
there was also a Reddit link about Bjarne creating an account just to post that message
 
@Xeo What is that?
 
Xeo
loca = localisation data
So, russian text for our game
 
> loca loca loca
 
vivir la vida loca
 
3:06 PM
I will never particularly understand why people localize stuff. Learn English or GTFO.
5
 
Bit, Byte, Word, LSB, MSB... Woo.
 
LSD
 
Xeo
@ElimGarak Because there's a huge market in Russia that just doesn't speak English?
 
> He works at Texas A&M University as a Distinguished Professor where he holds the College of Engineering Endowed Chair in Computer Science.
Bjarne ^
 
@Xeo Shut up you inferior non-English-speaking lover
 
3:07 PM
@ElimGarak Well, ask the question to the StackExchange managers.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Not anymore
 
does GTFO mean "go to fuck off" or "get the fuck out"?
 
> Having started in assembly languages, my programming career took me through commercial OS development, embedded programming, and into New York City's finance.
That guy ^
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl latter
 
3:08 PM
@AndyProwl Get To Finland Orbit
 
"got to find out"
 
They don't even work in the same state
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It makes perfect sense, because Bjarne Stroustrup actually taught at my university during the 2013 - 2014 school year during the year I was kicked out. So... throttle back.
 
@Xeo Well, I am speaking as a foreigner who found great educational value in games when I was younger, especially as it pertains to learning English.
 
And I'm in New York.
 
Xeo
3:08 PM
@ElimGarak Sure. That's you, though.
 
@ElimGarak Surely you must speak for all of them!
 
Xeo
If there's a market and money to be made, I don't see a reason to say "no, learn English or GTFO with your money"
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ That was till last year IIRC
Now he's no longer working at the uni
 
@ThePhD Except that the video was posted in mid 2015
 
@ElimGarak For once, because my localised product has a marketing advantage over a competing product that isn't localised.
 
3:10 PM
How to check if a number is negative http://t.co/6WoaAYsnsu
 
June 9 2015 to be exact
 
I somehow think that folks would play the games even without localization.
 
Look up 'delusion'.
2
 
Xeo
lol
 
@ElimGarak Ever tried to play Final Fantasy in Japanese?
 
3:11 PM
@Morwenn Final Fantasy is the biggest pile of shit this side of the galaxy.
 
He also stated in his last video he returned to industry and academia. I don't remember if he also said that it was at my Uni again, but he WAS in the New York area. And might still be here.
 
Xeo
@ElimGarak Yeeaaaah, our data says otherwise. We got a huge number of visitors from Russia, but almost no sales there.
 
@ElimGarak You're only avoiding the problem, dude. That's not an answer.
 
@FlorianMargaine lol
 
@FlorianMargaine wow it's even more terrible than I expected
 
3:12 PM
One thing I appreciate about localization is an opportunity to (supplement) learning of additional languages, especially if it also features full VO.
But seriously, if you don't know English in 2015., what the fuck are you doing with your life?
 
Xeo
I hope you won't be managing any game releases. :P
 
that's not localisation, that's writing programs in the native language of the creators
:P
 
Xeo
@ElimGarak Not paying money for your games, apparently.
 
now localisation would be translating it to english
:P
 
3:13 PM
@milleniumbug so so terrible.
 
Xeo
Whatever
 
@Xeo Tell me if doing the localization boosts your sales from Russia. I'm genuinely interested.
 
Me too.
 
Also I should rehash this argument
4 mins ago, by milleniumbug
@ElimGarak For once, because my localised product has a marketing advantage over a competing product that isn't localised.
 
Xeo
It's stupid to not localise just because of some ideological bullshit. Sure, English is very widely used and useful, but not everybody speaks it (or is willing to learn it).
 
3:14 PM
IOW I get more money and push out competition
 
What about the cost of localization? Only text or full VO as well by different voice actors?
 
Xeo
Text-only
 
There’s more to it than just understanding. Knowing English doesn’t mean you enjoy a game/book/film as much in English as you would in another language.
 
Which is the basic goal of any company
 
hiring loungers
 
3:16 PM
@ElimGarak Text-only is more cost effective, which means it's 100% better
 
Let's face it: English is great for communication, but nothing's better than your native language when it comes to understanding the beauty of words.
 
user1804599
hitlering loungers
 
@Xeo Especially problematic are those who think they speak English, but really don't, and are unwilling to learn anything else either (aka rednecks).
 
@Morwenn My language is atrocious. :(
 
user1804599
@Morwenn says the french
 
3:17 PM
@ElimGarak Of course, you come from deep space.
 
@FlorianMargaine The first comment says "isn't it better to just check if it's lower than zero?"
 
@ElimGarak So invent a new one.
 
Also most gamers like text-only translation more
 
whatisajoke.htm
 
@JerryCoffin But English is such a pretty language!
 
3:18 PM
lol pretty
 
meh
It's just a language
 
Xeo
English is a shitty language, language-wise
:P
 
all languages are shitty
 
English is ambiguous
 
3:18 PM
Lounge<English>
 
@ElimGarak Are you Bartek in disguise
 
Engleski je najljepši jezik, bez obzira što vi zločesti ljudi kažete.
 
Obviously we should all speak breton instead
 
Every language is shitty in essence. Even when you combine all of them, you're still bound to words and the concepts they represent.
 
Xeo
The worst part about localisation is that you can't proof-read it in-house to know it's (contextually) really correct.
 
3:19 PM
Like how you don't have mass nouns in French
 
But if you only take one of them, then it's even shittier.
 
Wasn't Saphir-Worf hypothesis disproved or sth
 
@Mr.kbok Ne gomprenan ket
 
@Xeo Yeah, I was just going to say that. Outsourcing that stuff must be difficult, especially if you have trust issues like me. How the hell do I know it matches the original script?
 
3:20 PM
Unless you have an in-house Russian you implicitly trust. Maybe we can get one at DigiCert.
 
yeah they probably changed the game to be an apology of Putin
 
@ElimGarak ...or learn Russian
 
Xeo
@ElimGarak Luckily we don't have much of a "script". It's 95% UI stuff, and 5% Tutorial.
 
Putins of Valhalla
 
hire Vlad
he's still Unemployed
 
3:21 PM
Unemployed
 
We should all speak PHP
 
shit, beat me
 
Suspended
 
@ElimGarak I was going to remark this, but I'm glad you observe this yourself now
 
Xeo
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lol
Putin Hills
I don't think the game's name is used in any of the ingame texts...
So there's that :D
 
3:23 PM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Je ne comprends ça?
 
@sehe "I don't understand". This one is fairly close to French.
 
@sehe "jpige ked lol"
 
Wo bu dong.
 
^indeed
 
I just located the a
@Morwenn Thank you
 
People think it's a dialect of French but it really isn't, it's a completely different language closer to Welsh and Irish.
 
The average French person does not know what a dialect is :v
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ what made that one newsworthy?
 
@milleniumbug No. There's evidence of certain differences in the way subjects think that correlate to language properties.
 
@LucDanton wooo aret tu coner des mots et saskroa chO?
 
3:25 PM
@sehe Newsworthy?
 
sehe dialect
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Seriously, I thought it was another language at first.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fair enough
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Oh nevermind. I though you had a reason to post that. I take it's your nephew then. Congrats!
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva has more to do with a less than exemplar past
 
3:26 PM
My nephew?
 
he's wondering why you posted that one in particular
 
^
 
@sehe Pola hrvatskog jezika je sastavljeno od slikovitih psovki i uvreda. Mislim da nije teško razumijeti moju sklonost prema engleskom jeziku.
 
Surprisingly, it's also what I asked
 
oh I almost understand that
 
3:27 PM
It happened to be the one I was watching?
 
slikovitih <- not this
 
>Mislim
racist alert!
 
I don't understand at all. It thought it was about Poland, English and muslims.
 
@ElimGarak Yeah, you despise that.
 
@AndyProwl lol
 
3:27 PM
:D
 
Huh, Google translate does a really good job on that one.
 
@ElimGarak Slavic language = similar to Slovak = git gud at slovak
 
@AndyProwl colorful
 
@AndyProwl colourful
 
Yas.
 
3:28 PM
thanks
 
@ElimGarak I win
 
@AndyProwl slivovice
 
that's the first thing that came to mind
 
btw has anyone heard from Martin
haven't seen him in a while
 
3:29 PM
@ElimGarak OMG He's playing the ocarina
@AndyProwl good question. He's a bit old to suddenly get a life...
 
maybe he's hanging out in Bar<C++>
 
@sehe Is that the more diplomatic way of putting it?
 
@AndyProwl like 4 days?
 
@sehe lol
 
3:30 PM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva ah, ok then
oh wait
 
talking about Loungers
 
wait, not actually sure
 
Mooingduck :(
 
are you saying you've seen him 4 days ago or are you asking me if I haven't seen him for 4 days?
 
Pubby :(
 
3:30 PM
@LucDanton Diplomacy? I don't think Martin appreciates that
@AndyProwl That makes oodles
 
> Last seen Aug 28 at 14:40
HE'S DEAD
 
hmm
 
Drunken stupor he got stuck in?
 
@sehe Respect your elders etc.
 
hope he's all right
 
3:31 PM
@LucDanton your :)
 
possibly on holiday
 
yeah
 
"Jebao vam pas mater glupu u pičku pohovanu." is one of the most offensive things you'll ever hear and it is quite common here.
 
horriblay on p*ssy
 
user1804599
will you do another livestream today?
 
3:32 PM
@ElimGarak I find that refreshing to hear Oh.
 
@ElimGarak lol at google translate
> I fucked your bitch stupid Goddamn fried
 
"vam pas mater glupu" ça sonne bien en fr aussi
 
@elyse If someone contributes proper question material. Maybe I'll spend some time with my wife. You know. For old time's sake
 
@sehe Translates, approximately to: "I hope a dog fucks your stupid mother in her fried pussy."
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva If he's stuck at 14.4 all of a sudden, I can't blame him for staying off line. I can remember upgrading from 14.4 to a 28.8K modem, and that was huge.
 
3:32 PM
@ElimGarak jeba va pas mater glupu sounds like french
 
user1804599
nice
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva ah shit
 
@ElimGarak Oh. Google Translate can be commended for trying
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Why am I always late on jokes
 
3:33 PM
l'essentiel c'est de participer
 
@Mr.kbok tu pues du glu
 
@sehe Google is too civilized for my language.
 
tupuduku
 
Lounge is being conquered by French language lately
 
@ElimGarak Robots don't emoción
 
3:34 PM
@AndyProwl Actually, Lounge speaks English only because we allow it
 
that's generous of you guise
 
Yep we're selfless like that
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva readies grenade
 
@AndyProwl You knew the French would eventually find a fight they couldn't lose... :-)
 
Also, what confuses Google translate is the placement of adjectives, in curses/profanities/vulgarities, they come after for added rhythm. "mater glupu, pičku pohovanu"
 
3:35 PM
mater is definitely crappy/pasted from latin though
 
@JerryCoffin Haha.
 
interesting
 
Mater is slang for majka (mother).
 
intersecting
 
@ElimGarak mater is mother in latin, literally.
 
3:36 PM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Indeed.
 
not sure about fried cunt
 
litter ally
fried cunt sounds like latin all right
 
I think that one was actually quite PG13 for these parts.
 
friend cut
 
3:37 PM
let's speculate on what the world will speak in ~500 y from now
do not answer Rust
 
Lol Flash is using 11.6 GB of RAM.
 
binary
 
Sigh.
 
@orlp There are even patterns where your sort beats every other one: i.imgur.com/AfbOQTd.png
 
it won't speak
 
3:38 PM
@Nooble KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!
 
@Nooble looks at 4GB max. on own PC
 
@TonyTheLion I'm killing it!
 
@Nooble What's the total RAM you have?
 
@AndyProwl That’s the word I picked as the one I can never spell on the first try on the xkcd survey.
 
@набиячлевэлиь 16GB of DDR4-2400.
 
3:39 PM
@LucDanton I picked 'namespace'
I always type naemspace
oh wait spell
 
That’s more like a typo.
 
@Nooble You downloaded more ram?
 
I guess I misunderstood the question
yeah. Well done andy
 
Eh, there’s room for ambiguity.
 
@TonyTheLion I download all my RAM.
 
3:40 PM
@Nooble :)
 
I wonder who uploads all that RAM
 
aquiantaince acquaintance is the one I can never fucking spell
 
yep, confirmed
 
:P
 
@набиячлевэлиь how quaint
 
3:41 PM
@LucDanton deep audible sigh
 
@набиячлевэлиь And he's from Aquitaine
 
Alright, I've got a terrifying one. "Dao bog da ti konj izjebe nevinu sestru krvavim kurcem na majčinom grobu."

I hereby petition the EU to expel Croatia on grounds of mental retardation.
 
lol
Italians are worse
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Tu t’acquittes d’une fictive blague factice.
 
Any WinForms people here?
 
3:43 PM
is that a race?
a weird form of life
 
@LucDanton Assez moyenne qui plus est
 
@AndyProwl They would probably be very pale yes :)
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Je te taquine, acquiesce.
(mersi les conjugueurs en ligne)
 
I think I'll go with Clang for my new iteration of the kernel. This time I will spend a little bit more time on reworking the runtime. But for that, I must boot to Kubuntu.
 
3:47 PM
il est taquin ce luc danton quel coquin
 
bon c'est fini oui
 
Tu adresses des compliments ? À qui est-ce ?
 
No, don't star that. It's terribru.
I think I could handle French in written form, but speaking it seems like a daunting task.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Désolé, ptet que je devrais prendre des vacances. À Kiev ?
 
Achève
(un peu loin celui là ?)
 
@LucDanton Vous les gars avez besoin de parler anglais maintenant.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Pourquoi pas, c’est un cas fréquent ça. Attends je cherche.
 
Bienvenue au Salon<C++>
 
@ElimGarak Is that gtranslate?
 
@TonyTheLion The way I understand it, Scotland Yard doesn't have access to firearms on patrol? They have to dispatch specialized armed response teams when needed.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Yes. I am not that fast. And it is probably all wrong.
 
3:52 PM
That's quite disappointing, both languages are so similar yet the translation is quite poor
 
@ElimGarak Yes, UK police in general don't carry firearms. Only specialized teams have firearms
 
Must be pretty nasty to be a police officer there, only the criminals carry weapons.
 
But arresting someone who doesn't have a driving license surely doesn't require 25 police officers
 
I think it is human nature, whether you're a police officer or not. Someone causes a deplorable calamity and everyone will mob up to see what's all the fuss about.
About three officers are involved, the rest are just enjoying the show. :D
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva
 
3:56 PM
@TonyTheLion So, what happens if they land into a shitstorm? A shooting in public? Hide with the rest of the folks there?
 
démasqué comme Normand !
 
@ElimGarak Call the armed cavalry, try to keep things under control until they arrive.
Also, gun crime is not very common here at all.
 
ah merde non le contraire
 
« des isoglosses célèbres »
UN ZIZOGLOSSE
 
zizigloss
 
3:58 PM
Les dialectes Germaniques certes
Mais Germaniques la police ou Germaniques la France ?
 

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