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9:00 PM
How can they make it fly as a PC on phone hardware?
 
4 cores at 1.2+ghz?
 
what did i miss
 
@KendallFrey - I'm not sure how much the architecture differs.
I wouldn't think it'd be all that different.
 
@SpencerRuport Yeah, but what about RAM + disk space?
 
Don't phones still have RAM?
 
9:02 PM
Yes, but how much?
 
1gb+ in a lot of them
 
Which isn't bad, but not that great either.
 
i doubt it becomes a full blown workstation?
 
well linux can run pretty lean.
even as a full blown workstation.
 
yup
you just might not to use it for dev. :)
 
9:03 PM
keep in mind the GUI is probably something completely different
 
Of course, I don't know about all the latest phone specs, since I'm holding on to this brick waiting for Ubuntu.
@SpencerRuport Not 'full blown'
 
linux just runs in the background.
 
there are some very very lean window managers out there
 
@ChadRuppert Like TTY? :) runs
 
haha
 
9:04 PM
<3 TTY
 
They probably built it from the ground up.
 
Hooray for code with 9 levels of indentation including two levels of looping.
 
i have a feeling that there will be a huge blowout fight in the community over which gui toolkits it supports.
 
Since I don't think there were any previous Linux window managers that supported multiple pointing devices.
 
only 1 nested loop?
 
9:05 PM
Loop B nested in loop A
 
yeah, single nesting. ive seen worse. :)
 
I've made worse.
Take, for example, an array of 2D arrays.
(Yes, I've done that)
 
that might qualify as evil.
 
I am offended.
Can you suggest a better solution?
 
i have no idea what you were doing. you shouldnt be offended
 
9:08 PM
he's joking :P
what were you doing though @KendallFrey?
 
i figured as much
a game or something?
 
I'm storing 2kb JSON strings in my database.
 
why?!
 
Some people cringe when I tell them that haha.
 
<- cringed lol
 
9:10 PM
Because it's basically a vector image.
 
But how much of that is {"[],}?
Seems like a lot of waste.
 
what do you mean?
how much of it is those characters?
 
omg
docdb on the cheap?
 
Yeah, how much of it is those characters
 
A lot I suppose.
I have a bunch of vertices and edges.
 
9:13 PM
I don't know, that is why I cringed.
 
@SpencerRuport Neural networks.
The essential data structure was a series of matrices representing neuron strengths.
 
vertices can be shapes, text boxes, grids, anchors and some other stuff. they have properties of height, width, top, left, stroke width etc.
 
What better than a double[][,]?
 
the edges have similar properties.
 
I mean, part of the advantage of having a database is that you can store things in a structure without duplication.
 
9:14 PM
@KendallFrey - Ah well yeah that sounds fine.
 
he's doing a cheapo docdb
 
im assuming he's not querying into the data
correct?
 
@TravisJ - Yes but the queries to pull that back out would be a nightmare.
@ChadRuppert - Yeah I never query them.
 
other than transporting 2k/record its not terrible
 
9:15 PM
@SpencerRuport - Yeah, the queries would be complex, but that more than likely is just a reflection of the complexity of the situation.
 
@TravisJ - I have templates and symbols. The symbols can be nested indefinitely.
Which is never fun for queries.
Plus it makes deserialization a breeze.
 
keep in mind @SpencerRuport is the king of doing wacky things in code
 
lmfao:
 
why not mongo or raven or something for that instead @SpencerRuport
 
@KyleTrauberman - Thanks!
 
9:17 PM
var ret = false;
if (somecondition)
    ret = true;
return ret;
 
I have a more appropriate demonstration of why it works well though @KyleTrauberman
I started making WPF applications that communicate with my MVC controllers.
Works beautifully.
 
I'm binary serializing strings and storing them in my DB
 
Speaking of which, I'm learning mongodb. If anyone has something insightful to say, please do.
 
something insightful
 
ive been using it for a bit. go the hosted route if you can.
mongolabs or something
 
9:18 PM
@ChadRuppert Hosted? Why?
 
replication etc
 
What's wrong with hosting it myself?
 
nothing, its just easier to have someone else do it for you. its not fun to setup and maintain. less work for you
its not too hard to do a single node. thats easy.
 
mongodb = hate for normalization
 
well, yeah, its a totally different concept.
 
9:20 PM
node.js = hate for sql server
 
indeed
 
@ChadRuppert People keep saying that, but I don't get the difference.
 
enjoy setting it up then. :)
 
NoSQL seems like relational data stored in one table.
 
ugh, but it wreaks of DRY violation
 
9:21 PM
you want to normalize to some degree, sorta.
no it doesn't
hell no
 
I'm so tempted to make multiple collections as separate tables. Is that bad?
 
You repeat tons of data if you store all your relational data in one table.
 
@TravisJ Why?
 
Try to implement a many to many in a single table and tell me there isn't a ridiculous amount of overlap in data.
Show me your example of DRY there.
 
if you arent relational you dont need m2m?
depending on how you build
 
9:23 PM
I'd probably store lists of IDs.
 
m2m is a relational db construct
 
I agree with that, if you do not want to have relational data then you can use noSQL.
 
no, store a partiallly normalized subset of the data.
think about it as storing your viewmodels rather than your domain models.
 
@KyleTrauberman - Check this out pastie.org/5664248
 
m2m is epic.
 
9:24 PM
Epics are epic.
 
@KyleTrauberman - So I use that as a base class for every service I create.
For example: pastie.org/5664263
Super easy.
 
oh service. i thought that was your entities and i was going to cry
 
Q:
 
A:
 
If service code is allowed to be hideous because it's only ever written and modified by machine...
 
9:27 PM
P:
who is doing that? don't gen code. ;)
 
@ChadRuppert - Sorry, we were looking for "What is F:" there.
 
@ChadRuppert - Entities?
 
damn. i fail.
 
9:28 PM
sort of what I was getting at - frameworks don't really need to compile code to explain their own semantics to themselves
 
@SpencerRuport this statement. I thought you were making your entities activerecord style
 
@TomW - I don't understand what you are getting at :( What is service code? You mean like 3rd party code?
 
@ChadRuppert - Ohhhh nah. I use nHibernate :)
 
i do as well
that and docdb's
 
@TravisJ stuff like @Spencer Ruport posted - which I didn't read, but looks a lot like autogenerated proxies
OK, it probably isn't - but the long and very similar looking methods brought to mind generated code e.g. from svcutil
 
9:31 PM
@TomW - Well, I don't think it should be hideous because at some point someone may come along wishing to fix part of it and end up having to toil through hours and hours of poorly implemented Visitor pattern just to try to point out the error in how mysql connector was implemented.
 
@TomW - It's not autogenerated but yeah it could be.
 
ugh. someone what am i doing wrong. file permissions on iis for an app pool: IIS AppPool\poolName is not being accepted for my object name.
its been so long since ive done this.
 
@ChadRuppert I tackled something similar to this today
 
what was it?
 
App Pools nominate an Identity that's a local username
they aren't local users themselves
 
9:37 PM
@TravisJ - I think they are just ugly in that they're extremely redundant.
 
yeah, i thought you refernced them as IIS AppPool\poolname though for the file permissions
 
Like in my second pastie.
 
file permissions where?
I R noob with IIS
 
@SpencerRuport - Which? Yours aren't bad imo. Pretty small, easy enough to read.
 
bah. in iis 7+ you need to give the app pool's user read/execute permissions to your app's folder in the filesystem.
its being a huge dick though
 
9:38 PM
ugh. You'd assume that's a given
shouldn't it prompt you to enable that, since it ALWAYS has to be done
 
even *nix does somethign similar
you would think
 
I was talking about a bug I found in mysql connector, and I got their source code to see if I could fix it, only to find out that there were like 80 classes involved most having over 1000 lines of code. I posted a bug on their site, it is listed as S1(Critical) and still hasn't been addressed since October.
 
isn't the done thing usually to dump everything in inetpub?
 
I like Oracle's code like I like eating pinecones.
 
I like people like I like coffee... :)
 
9:40 PM
before iis7 it was all networkservice for the user. now its individual apppools and these builtin users.
@KendallFrey not at all?
 
and windows is being a dick and not finding the stupid users.
 
[redacted]
 
ok. that one deserves to be flagged as offensive. I'm not. but damn dude.
 
That's why I didn't want to finish it.
 
9:43 PM
yeah, on that note, its time to go home.
 
I think I got my first suspension for a racist joke.
 
@ChadRuppert oh, I know this
 
they don't show up as users, but they're in the group IIS_IUSRS
enable that group
 
it should be already. ill try it out
 
9:44 PM
permissions, application pool identities and sql server roles took up most of my day today
 
gross rlemon
yeah. no love Tom
 
@ChadRuppert are you sure that's the problem then?
 
Yeah, i compared nodes to some existing
ill just scream and go home and fix it later. :)
im probably missing something stupid.
 
why the HELL is IIS sitting there eating resources for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON on my Win7 desktop machine on which I never do any web development ever?
my car doesn't consume petrol when I'm not using it
stopping Default Web Site will be fine
I do like to poke around occasionally to remind myself about what I did at work
 
9:55 PM
If he's going to post in both rooms... I will too!
blinking gifs... the new rage!
@OlegOrlov I'm anti Apple. nuff said.
FTR: iPods kicked ass before the iPodTouch.
I'm Android all the way.
Dislike Metro UI so haven't really jumped for win8 or win 8 mobile.
Windows for work and gaming, Linux for work, personal, phones, tablets, my tv's fridge, etc...
meh, I can't stand console gaming anymore
they need to make a new console something fierce
why are all of my games being run by hardware shittier than my phone (exaggeration but you get my point)
 
have wondered in the past how difficult it would be to implement some high-performance computation without an operating system
as an academic exercise
 
@rlemon the new steam console looks pretty cool
 
@OlegOrlov I meant for example a sophisticated mathematical model that also happens to know how to manipulate the hardware it runs on, bypassing the need to have an OS to do that for you, but I think I understand what you're getting at with FASM - a flat file structure removes the need for anything to know about program entry points and so on, right?
 
10:12 PM
I downloaded sources from codeplex, it uses nuget for some dependencies, is there a way to have it automagically download them?
 
Not that I know of.
 
@KendallFrey something appears to be running here now, the unit tests in the Cudafy.Math.UnitTests project
 
Eve
10:36 PM
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new jquery api is really annoying
 
11:16 PM
Hey everyone! Can some please help me to how to achieve stackoverflow.com/q/14260880/1211329 in mvc 4 ?
 
@TravisJ - What's changed?
 
@SpencerRuport - Just little things, there is less descriptions, and all the old awesome comments are gone.
 
ohhh the API docs
 
yeahh
 
I thought they changed the API itself I was worried.
 
11:24 PM
@SpencerRuport - For instance, I was making sure that I properly formatted my data: { key: val } in an $.ajax request, and couldn't find that in the docs.
 
Hi all!
 
hi Jab
 
@TravisJ - Gotcha
 
@TravisJ CC Inc is missing in action and I have the A+ test tomorrow
:)
 
I am sure you will get an A+ :P
 
11:26 PM
@TravisJ LOL
I'll do my best
I feel pretty confident and thats good for reducing stress
 
@KyleTrauberman new steam?
the 'full picture' view or w/e?
 
Damn, Pheonix isn't here. Do we have any other math wizards afoot?
 
@Billdr Im pretty good at math, I think
Whats your question, I may be able to help
 
yeah ask
 
11:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that's not the answer they're looking for.
 
@Billdr I would agree. Unfortunetly thats not the type of math I do. Sorry ;(
 
ahh yea that does look pretty cool.
 
@Billdr so much pain, try math chat again? I'll back you up!
 
Math chat makes me feel really dumb.
 
11:34 PM
I will probably just buy a micro itx board or something with the most badass cpu I can find then put a good video card on it and make my own console ;)
 
Almost @rlemon levels of dumb.
:)
 
@rlemon it's not the official valve "steam box", but its developed with valve support
 
@Billdr ouch.
I'm not dumb, I'm misinformed.
 
@Billdr meh, lets go
 
sigh, alright
 
11:36 PM
@JohanLarsson where is it?
 
@KyleTrauberman I just really wanna build my own console. not really a console. moreso a media pc dedicated to steam and netflix + my library. I think it would be a fun project. I haven't put steam on linux yet, not sure how that goes as far as game support.
 
Im there
 
but no netflix on linux.. shit, forgot about that.
windows it is!
 
@Billdr I've been there a long lime already :)
 
11:37 PM
/me iz talking to myself. I realize that.
 
@rlemon Really, there must be some program for skype
 
I don't know enough people with skype for that to matter.
I have it on my phone, use it only when travelling to talk to the GF to avoid roaming charges.
pretty handy that way :P
 
@rlemon I want to do the same thing, plus add in some home automation functions, like environment control, security system control, baby monitor, etc.
with a central media server in home too
(although that's not as necessary with netflix, etc)
 
@KyleTrauberman in HS I tried to do something like that. designed it all out and wrote up a paper on it for my engineering class. doubled as a cheap home security system. couldn't afford to get the materials to actually build it but still got some descent marks. Ended up making a fire fighting robot instead.
 
@rlemon for real "firefighting robot"?
 
11:41 PM
all mine did was control the thermostat, lights, and monitored who went into which rooms.
@JABFreeware lol sounds more badass than it was.
 
lights is a good function
 
@JABFreeware trincoll.edu/events/robot was entered here.
 
also, the ability to bring your media with you from room to room - start a movie in the living room, move to the bedroom and continue watching there.
 
no pics of mine on the site. was in 2004. this is a pretty good example of the robots though. nothing human like.
 
or have in-ceiling speakers in each room so you can put music on anywhere.
 
11:42 PM
and quite small.
 
perhaps even intercom/speaker phone in the rooms too
nerd drool
 
@KyleTrauberman well mine was all based around cheap webcams and a face matching algo using virtual NN in c#
.net 1.1 ;)
 
found a really cool NN library online and ran with it.
 
if I were to do tracking, i would use rfid
 
11:44 PM
could match my face from a 90 degree angle with about 90% accuracy (good enough to tell if i'm me or my mom or a stranger or whatnot).
 
@rlemon looks like a parallax ping ultrasonic range find and a boe bot chassis
Am I right?
 
my idea was to place on in the top corner of each doorway so it could tell when you entered and exited a room. not intrusive and watching you all the time right. but enough to control things.
@JABFreeware that one does look like sonar
 
@rlemon looks like you put a lot of parralax products on it
what IO board did you use?
(The brains)
 
mine was IR's set up with different cones on an osculating pattern allowing me to determine distances and objects. then I had light detectors and lasers to find the fire. fans to put it out.
 
@Billdr I'm gonna try go manual on this mf, googling for a chapter on sets
 
11:46 PM
15% on top for building my own around a PIC16f chip
 
that's what I'm up to @JohanLarsson, thanks.
 
can't remember which exact one anymore - was like 9 years ago
 
huh, I built a distance sensor using a parallax ping sensor once
 
@Pheonixblade9 yeah its cool, but I hate its ability with angels
 
11:48 PM
the worst part about using IR was the fucking lighting in the competition, big bright T9 bulbs I think. screwed with my sensitivity.
 
@rlemon yeah, (never done this) but why not use a camera with a light filter?
only light fire wavelengths through
 
one kid dropped his bot right after we got there (don't know what school he was from) ... I felt so bad. split into like 4 parts... all his wires ripped out of his IOs and nothing looks colour coded or labeled.... he was fucked.
 
@rlemon ;9 yeah that would be bad
never wanted to spend the money in one
 
@JABFreeware I was 15 and in grade 12 and thought it was pretty badass that I thought up how to build it in the first place :P haha :) not really a real answer, but you know. some things that would seem obvious to me now really wern't back then.
 
@rlemon yeah
 
11:51 PM
It was a really cool experience though. I quite enjoyed myself while building the project and doing the competition.
 
bot didn't cost much to build. The chip I got for free (minus SH). at the time microchip.com would send out 'vendor samples' of certain products. So I signed myself up as a company and they sent me a free chip. :P
 
@rlemon I had the money I would too
 
@Johan - scary
 
In ontario we have these ^
 
11:53 PM
Who knows what you could load from the .src script.
They could wreck your face with that.
 
I thought about doing that so there was a dedicated link for the bookmarklet, but it is a violation of security imo.
 
big bins for people to dump their e-waste for free... it stays open and after a few months they take it and it's contents away. until then it's a big salvage place. usually a lot of old PC's and monitors. some busted LCD tv's and old tvs and lots of old DVD players, radios, that kinda thing. Awesome for the home robotics DIY guy. there are half of your components in 2 hours of scraping.
Transformers galore!
 
@TravisJ what are you doing?
@DemCodeLines Hi
 
Hi
Is it possible to restore a previous version of a file in Visual Studio 2010
 
11:59 PM
@DemCodeLines That's a job for TFS, Git, or some other version control software.
 
I deleted a method in Visual Studio 2010 and closed the window yesterday. Today, I opened it again, and really need it back
 
Eve
@DemCodeLines If you don't have a versioning system you're out of luck.
 

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