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5:00 PM
our jetpack technology atm is woeful
even that guy in japan that made that personal helicopter thing was awful
 
SO might have some opinions on it though. i would see how many questions are related to it. There might be some good indicators about its uptake just by question count as well @Eve
 
Eve
Yeah, I've read a few questions with the most voted answer being the one suggesting VistaDB. I just wanted a direct opinion.
 
let us know how you like it then. :)
 
@OlegOrlov It's a bit hacky though...
 
jesu. why the hell does vs 2012 need a reboot to install. i thought we were past all that
 
Eve
5:03 PM
@ChadRuppert Didn't require one for me?
 
@OlegOrlov Never mind, it's a crap solution anyway
 
it does for me. i hate MS sometimes.
any of you guys got hit with the win8 upgrade force reboot. i saw some screens hanselman was throwing around. thats just stupid.
 
@ChadRuppert Yeah the first update took fuckin ages
 
        layout.RowDefinitions.Add(new RowDefinition() { Height = new GridLength(chart.MinHeight, GridUnitType.Star)});
        Grid.SetRow(chart, dis.Count);
        layout.Children.Add(chart);
I have that code
and I'm looping through dis
 
the fact that when an update comes and you have to reboot NOW, no postpone, no "not now" option at all
it just does it.
 
5:05 PM
@OlegOrlov Ah ok
 
and all my charts are added to the same Row
any ideas?
 
@ChadRuppert Yeah it's really annoying =\
That's how I got stung with the first update
 
i dont get how they could have Effed that up so badly.
 
installing something
 
i think the testers only used tablets
 
5:06 PM
probably so people can't go "MY PC IS BROKE BUT THERE WAS A MICROSOFT FIX AND I DON'T HAVE IT, WHY?!?!?!"
 
i actually had a windows update bork my 7 install for a bit 2 mos ago. it wouldnt start windows. i had to go through and roll them back like 3 times in safe mode.
 
ouch..
 
yeah, considering it was my primary machine.
i was none too happy. thought i had some hardware fail for a bit at first
 
@OlegOrlov Ok, so can't you do that?
 
WHY DOES IE SUCK, I can't even look at Browsing history easily.
 
5:10 PM
@ChadRuppert Bleh, I had the same thing I think, except mine wouldn't even boot to safe mode, I think a failing GFX card or driver fucked the HDD over on my work machine
Well no, not the same thing, but similar
which is why I'm on win8 now
@klut ctrl-h?
 
i use 3monitors on my main machine at home. One of the main reasons I haven't moved to 8.
 
You know it's not even that bad on dual monitors. It puts the hotspots on both monitors
 
@Sean good call. we are using IE7, no where does it give me the option to look. haha
 
@klut hehe =]
 
@Sean can you still separate the windows from vs and put them into different monitors?
 
5:13 PM
@ChadRuppert And they finally made it so your start bar goes across more than one monitor
 
meh, i have a 7 plugin for that, so i get 3 different tasks, only showing whats active on each.
 
And yes, you can still drag VS tabs out onto other monitors =]
 
not the tabs, im talking about the docks, like properties and crap
maybe ill have to try the upgrade then. once i buy my shiny new ssd
 
and yes, you can do that
I didn't even know you could xD
 
yeah, i do that all the time. all the managey-crap goes on my right hand monitor, code in the center, and docs/misc on the left. its so wonderful
 
5:15 PM
Oh and win8 lets you separate the start menu too, I have it to show on the main start menu and the one they're actually on, monitor-wise
There is an option to have them only on the screen they're on but I couldn't get to grips with it so turned it off
 
you should try flipping it back. its awesome once you get used to it.
 
and the first thing I did was set the taskbar back to windows XP style with proper writing instead of those horrid squares
which i was told you weren't able to do, some fucker lied to me =P
 
@oleg re: time is money. i asked for a training budget for my squad. that was the answer.
 
Red alert question. WSDL files should be located in the IIS folder or in the project folder along with all the other files ?
 
@OlegOrlov I know exactly what you mean... I'm not sure I can really help then, I've never done it before and I have no WPF experience
@AndréSilva WSDL should go across when you deploy the project
 
5:17 PM
ive never even paid attention to a build from my old soap service stuff. I don't know that wsdl is a real file?
 
@Sean So it won't be inside any *.dll right ?
 
@AndréSilva Pro tip: set up IIS locally, and use file deploy to deploy to local IIS, then copy to test/production server. Saves so much hassle
 
@AndréSilva I'm not sure about that, I think the WSDL references the DLL for all your code-behind
 
unless you have a real build server.
 
5:18 PM
@AndréSilva All the WSDL is, is a description for how your methods are called and how they are expected to respond
@AndréSilva Everything else is handled by IIS, including calling functions inside your DLLs
 
@Sean So they are outside the dll...
 
@AndréSilva they don't have to be physical files..
 
After published, is it possible to see the xml ?
 
run a publish and look at what results.
 
5:20 PM
Can't... production server..
Not in a test server right now
 
no, locally
 
Good idea
 
publish to a local directory
 
@AndréSilva Sort of... You can go to http://myservicelocation/?wsdl and it shows the SOAP stuff
 
i think you'll find that wsdl isn't a file. its done via an httphandler.
its been a long time since ive written any soap services though.
 
5:21 PM
@AndréSilva Yeah this is why I said don't bother trying to figure it all out, just set up IIS on your local machine and publish to the directory using the file publish, then check everything out and once it all works, ship it over to the production server
@AndréSilva Or the test server if you have one, just to make sure it works
@ChadRuppert I think you're right about it being a HttpHandler
Also, I now can't get my bloody properties pane back where it should be D=
 
Will totally do that
 
also, why are you doing soap in this day and age? :) --- curious, not criticizing
 
Old project.. really old..
 
aha, nvm, got it
@ChadRuppert Is SOAP really that bad? What does WPF use?
 
soap isn't bad, exactly. its just .. uh verbose.
look at a soap request sometime. its gigantic.
 
5:24 PM
Oh I know, I never write them myself
 
btw what is the name of c# god from SO ? can't remember his name right now..
 
did you mean wcf?
 
If someone says "make a web service" I google the shit out of how to get other languages to work with the old .Net web services xD
@ChadRuppert I did, yes
 
wcf offers several options for comms, i think
even remoting.
 
Oh that's helpful xD I don't want a choice lol
 
5:25 PM
run away from remoting.
 
Is remoting like RPC?
 
remoting is the devil
its somewhat like RPC
in the .net 2 days it was a mess. thats the last I looked at it.
 
I really don't use a lot of the .Net technologies
 
I have a blog post that uses remoting.
 
i don't use a lot of the MS versions of tech. just a few
@KendallFrey and how much does remoting suck? :)
 
5:29 PM
Not much?
 
i didn't much like it when I was working with it. again, this was in .net 2
 
It's very magical.
 
and having the motivation of a broken droid with no motivator (NERD) for personal projects, I don't see much new stuff through that alley =P
 
been that way myself a bit lately. burnout sucks
 
Why I can't drag and drop file? I have a listbox and i set allowdrop = true
 
5:31 PM
love it when people come and talk at you when you're in the middle of typing something, puts you out of step with the conversation
 
@Loclip What do you do when the file is dropped?
 
you need a cone of silence or a roadblock of some sort
 
I had my headphones in
 
I have an event

private void lbPlaylist_DragDrop(object sender, DragEventArgs e)
    {
        files = (string[])e.Data.GetData(DataFormats.FileDrop);
        foreach (string file in files)
        {
            lbPlaylist.Items.Add(Path.GetFileNameWithoutExtension(file));
            plList.Add(file);
        }
    }
 
sad. :(
 
5:32 PM
people just come over and sit on my desk, or talk at me anyway and I have to try and pick up half way through
 
@Loclip What icon does it show when you drag over the listbox?
 
the CEO is a bastard for it, luckily he doesn't actually get to the point very quickly so I only miss pointless background info
 
e.g. No, copy, move, etc.
 
@sean get something physical that impedes their movement to your desk? like one of those old barriers or police tape. haha
 
and I don't want to stick my hand up as if to say "one minute" cos the last time he got angry at me I almost punched him
which would be bad for my job
 
5:33 PM
yeah
 
@KendallFrey it not allowing me to drag and drop.. it show black stop icon
 
yeah but then they'd just lean over and tap me instead, which would scare the shit out of me
I want my office back
but they tore the walls down =_=
 
i miss my office. now im sitting with my squad though, so its not all bad.
 
when there was 4 of us (then 3, then 2, then me) we had our own little office, when it got to 2 of us, we were moved back out into the midst of the helpdesk area
 
@Grixxly Are you actually about?
 
5:35 PM
Who here is a secret chef (hey all btw :D)
 
wait wait wait. your devs are sitting around a call enter??
 
Sort of... whatcha need?
 
when the last guy left they moved me into the middle of the office on this little pod which is much worse because not only can I hear the helpdesk, I can hear sales as well
 
thats a huge deal breaker for me.
 
@ChadRuppert s/your devs/you
 
5:35 PM
Thinking about making some cheap protein cookies
its basically: Protein powder
Whole wheat flour
Oats
Egg whites
Raisins
Cinamon

right?
 
i meant in your company. :)
 
Yeah well, I came out of sixth form (age 18) not going to university and I had worked here for my work experience and did a load of work during various holidays for them so it worked. I had nothing else =P although I did get another job offer and rejected it on the advice of my family because it was harder to get to, travel costs, earlier morning etc... Should have ignored them all >_<
 
@Loclip Do you handle DragEnter?
 
@KendallFrey no
 
@sean if the ceo comes to you direct can't you say that all the noise impedes your productivity and request to be moved to a quieter area? devs need quiet.
 
5:38 PM
Howdy peoples.
 
well, most
 
The two guys that went there from here are now on much more than me and working on projects for people like Sainsbury's and one of the airlines, can't remember if it's easyjet or ryanair
 
private void textBox1_DragEnter(object sender,
System.Windows.Forms.DragEventArgs e)
{
   if (e.Data.GetDataPresent(DataFormats.FileDrop))
      e.Effect = DragDropEffects.Copy;
   else
      e.Effect = DragDropEffects.None;
}
Try that.
(copied from MSDN)
@SpencerRuport What's up, stranger? :P
 
They even offered to put me on more than the last guy that went there as my starting wage. Should have bloody took it >_<
 
Not muchhhh
Been busy with a number of projects.
How about you?
 
5:39 PM
I have mentioned it multiple times in my appraisals but it gets shrugged off =P
 
@SpencerRuport Fixing bugs at light speed.
 
@KendallFrey thanks... i saw that but I didn't know that is necessary
 
Does it work?
 
@KendallFrey as usual.
 
@sean booo :(
 
5:40 PM
If I can find the motivation to crack on with this games dev course I'll be gone in a year or so... I might even have to switch jobs quicker than that but I dunno yet
 
well, good luck. :)
 
Although I did forget about the office issue on a recent questionnaire. But thinking about it I'm not sure I wanted to cos it would have made it obvious who it was
And although they should be professional about it, I'm just not confident in the people at the top at all
 
Nobody below ever is.
 
yeah, questionnaire is probably not the best place to complain about that. :)
 
Or maybe I'm just not making a big enough fuss, who knows? =P
 
5:42 PM
lol
 
I'm not sure I put it in the right area anyway, it asked me if I answered no to "Are you proud to work here", why I wasn't proud and I put "No team, nobody to bounce ideas off." should probably have gone in the bit at the end which was for general suggestions
 
Uh, how do I figure out what app is eating my port 80?
 
net stat
 
@RoelvanUden cmd -> net stat
 
from the command line
 
5:44 PM
netstat -a?
That does not give app names
 
I could hardly put "It's not a software house, and the development department (me) is shoddily run and is not invested in." cos they would have clocked on straight away and that just opens everything up for awkward questions and shit... Basically I'm spineless =D
@RoelvanUden No it doesn't =\
 
yeah, thats more of a "are our services and products enough to make you proud"
 
I need to kill whatever is on port 80 :/
 
@RoelvanUden - netstat -b
 
In which case I would have said no anyway
"IT in a box" for small businesses is the wrong approach to IT solutions
 
5:46 PM
@SpencerRuport Close :) But unfortunately this is outgoing-only.
 
oh damn, yeah @Sean
 
every business needs looking at individually to understand their needs, which they say they do but in reality the sales person sits there, spouts a load of shit and passes it to pre-sales who do all the work and the solution usually gets stripped because said business says it's too expensive
 
@RoelvanUden - netstat -ab?
 
at which point I would say "Well if you want a decent IT infrastructure, done properly, that's the cost. If you don't like it, you can go to PC world."
 
@SpencerRuport Ah, great. Unfortunately it does this // Can not obtain ownership information
 
5:48 PM
lol
@RoelvanUden - Okay try netstat -ao and use the PID to look it up on task manager?
 
probably wouldn't get me very far, but that's essentially what they need telling =P
things like stripping out second terminal servers because "1 should be enough, right?"
 
@SpencerRuport What the hell. PID is 4. There is no 4.
 
It's probably IIS then.
 
and then 6 weeks after the install the helpdesk is bombarded with calls because "The terminal server is grinding to a halt"
 
@SpencerRuport Oh god. I couldn't find that in services. Does it hide itself?
 
5:49 PM
telnet to port 80 on local and see what answers?
@sean oh god... terminal servers. :(
 
@RoelvanUden Open IIS manager and stop it? =]
@ChadRuppert I have actually learnt more about IT infrastrucure in my 2 and a half years here than development >_<
 
IIS manager? I never even installed IIS, well, besides VS throwing it on like a dirty whore installing aids.
 
@RoelvanUden - I'm not sure but just run the command MMC and then click File -> Add/Remove snap in
And then select Internet Information Services
 
check local services and see if the world wide web service is running @RoelvanUden
 
@ChadRuppert Which is great and all, but not exactly what you want to be doing as a developer =P
 
5:52 PM
also look to see if apache is running in services as well @RoelvanUden
@Sean i hear that
 
@SpencerRuport This snap-in does not appear to exist. I know it from Server 2008 but I'm on Win7 here.
 
I am too.
That's strange.
 
@ChadRuppert Apache and nginx are dead. HTTP response on localhost:80 sends MS API (IIS/HttpListener or something running via kernel).
 
@RoelvanUden yeah, going to have to check local services then.
 
@RoelvanUden - I'm reading reports that sometimes SQL server grabs the port.
 
5:53 PM
@RoelvanUden net stop iisadmin should stop all IIS services
 
Do you have that installed?
 
ahh! it worked. My secret plan to get @SpencerRuport back in here worked!
 
nothing in the windows kernel grabs 80
 
welcome back @SpencerRuport
 
@SpencerRuport Yeah, I have that installed. Let me see if it is running.
@Sean The service name is invalid. :P
 
5:54 PM
@RoelvanUden Probably not IIS then! xD
 
@KyleTrauberman - Oh? What was your plan? haha
And thanks.
Just got kind of busy.
 
you didn't see my comment?
 
I broke 20k though! :D
 
on your question?
 
@KyleTrauberman - Ah. No. Which one?
 
5:55 PM
The CEO is now holding up my lift either bollocking the technical team, or giving them what he thinks is a pep-talk. I can't figure out which one D=
 
I deleted it
 
awwww
well no wonder.
 
@SpencerRuport SQL has been killed, port is still occupied :/
 
I went to bed early last night.
 
5:56 PM
@RoelvanUden are you infested with something?
 
19 hours ago, by Kyle Trauberman
We miss you in chat @Spencer. — Kyle Trauberman 52 secs ago
 
@RoelvanUden - Try going back to the CMD and typing net stop http.
@KyleTrauberman - Awww how sweet. <3
 
@RoelvanUden net stop MsDepSvc or net stop MSSQLSERVER or even skype apparently...
RIGHT, they're out
I'm off
cya later
 
laters
 
cya
 
5:58 PM
@RoelvanUden - Or even just try clicking this and seeing what happens: 127.0.0.1
 
@SpencerRuport Woot! net stop http killed a TRUCKLOAD of services and the port is now free.
 
@Sean He says, "I'm afraid to end this process." I would be too. LOL
 
@RoelvanUden - Take note of which services
Perhaps something is running that shouldn't be.
 
UPnP Device Host, SSDP Discovery, Print Spooler, Web Deployment Agent, HomeGroup Provider, Function Discovery Resource Publication, PnP-X IP Bus Enumerator, Function Discovery Provider Host.
 
6:00 PM
Hm.
 
Web Deployment Agent i'm betting
 
@RoelvanUden - When you reboot I'd go through and shut each one off individually.
 
@SpencerRuport I've pasted them into a sticky for next time. Thanks a bunch for the suggestions/hints/help! :)
Of course, everyone else too that contributed :D
 
@SpencerRuport why not restart them one at a time and watch to see what grabs 80?
 
fersure
 
6:03 PM
I love how .net cries about "Out of memory" while the memory usage is VERY steady
 
@ChadRuppert Hm I'll do that.
 
>_<
 
there may be a reason not to though @RoelvanUden thats why i asked @SpencerRuport
 
I'll wait patiently ;P
 
@ChadRuppert - That might work but I'd be worried that restarting them that way may not cause them to grab the port.
I mean, it's not a big deal
 
6:05 PM
thats what i was wondering. Isn't that all that that windows does at startup for services though?
 
But a restart is just more of a guarantee which is why I suggested it.
 
fair enough. :)
 
blah tired for waiting for windows backup, rebooting for my vs install. back shortly
 
Just in case anyone starts using WPF. Don't use DrawingBrushes as backgrounds unless you want to tell your client that in order to run your drawing app they need more powerful 3d cards :P
Zoom was capping out CPUs at 100%
Had no idea what was causing it.
 
6:10 PM
gd. i love my ssd
 
6:25 PM
i love my ram drive!! :P
 
I love my warp drive.
 
I want one :(
 
I don't like my [redacted] drive
 
I really wish I was living in the time right as warp drive became affordable to the common person
I'd be sailing throughout the stars.
 
i dont think that even happened in startrek?
 
6:30 PM
I only want a time where i can afford a yatch
not possible :(
startrek is stupid
2
 
Has there been flags today again?
 
I haven't seen any.
 
yeah
it was me and a couple others.
 
what was it about?
 
it was a joke on kendall
 
6:32 PM
by who?
 
me and a few others, we werent flagged he was
 
he said he was awesome.
 
is there like a website where there's like programming mentors
 
6:33 PM
apart from this one
 
I have not found a better one
 
foodtime
 
@Magikarp blasphmey!
Star Trek is freaking awesome.
4
 
its ridiculous you should know it. we invent drones to bomb and surveillance and what not, and they still send their captain to explore... also they dont have enough robots... just 1 very expensive artificial one.
 
its still awesome
no one ever said it was realistic.
 
6:40 PM
 
If it was realistic, it wouldn't be Star Trek.
 
It's not really about the universe being realistic.
The universe is just a vehicle for creating scienarios that are realistic.
 
true still i consider it a big massive plothole
 
only because you're cynical.
 
TIL there is a good side to extremely reflective monitors.
 
6:45 PM
It's not impossible, just highly unlikely.
 
I can check out chicks walking behind me :)
 
@Magikarp oh my gosh an artificial robot
 
why am I being cynical
 
Because you find the unlikelihood of such a "nice" universe so distracting that you don't enjoy the show.
 
If you had the option to walk into a conference room or sit at your desk and use webex or something to go to the meeting, which would you pick?
 
6:47 PM
No. I watch stargate
 
quick, i have only 12 minutes
 
and startrek isnt a nice universe
 
Go to the meeting.
 
meeting
 
ok
 
6:49 PM
I chose no meeting whenever I can, dunno what webex is though
 
wait, physically go?
 
i thought at first websex
 
TV in general is stupid
 
did we drive away the one girl who came to this room?
 
didn't we have 2
 
6:50 PM
kyle is not a girl
 
Eve and Elie/Claire I mean
 
@kush which? There are a couple who are semi regs I think
 
oh ok
 
once in a while we get the Canadian community manager girl too
 
@Eve are you a girl?
 
6:51 PM
that would be embarrassing if I'm mistaken
 
Eve
No, but it was funny to see some of you referring to me as "she".
 
maybe because of the name, idk
 
crap.
 
are you a robot?
 
6:54 PM
one is doing meth?^
@KendallFrey I rewrote the ugly I had with loop and tasks, you were right it was ew. Parallel.For(each) is nice though.
 

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