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whats with sandy ?
or wietbot ?
or caprica ???
:(
 
mr5
hey you forgot Patrick
@Developer00 I wonder how that works. Did you ever reach the InitializeComponent(); from SelezionaFoto.cs?
 
oh my bad
whats with patrick ?
 
mr5
well blayed?
 
10:06 AM
@mr5 it's the first line
 
outer worlds will be released on friday
looking forward to it
might be a good one
 
mr5
@Developer00 yes. it's unusual you have a parameter in your constructor since it should be implicitly instantiated using the Navigation service
 
Honestly, who thought it would be a good idea to release two scifi-themed space-located games called Outer Worlds and Outer Wilds within a month?
 
@mr5 I know I should have used static variables
but I think the parameter isn't the problem
 
mr5
you still did not answer my question
 
10:09 AM
It compiles and executes everything
 
I recently found a good indie game
 
I've debugged
 
which is rare
Beholder 2
 
mr5
I highly recommend you put all the 3rd party initialization after the base.OnCreate on the OnCreateof your MainActivity
 
@Hans1984 what kind of game is it?
 
mr5
10:10 AM
@Developer00 are you manually instantiating this ContentPage?
 
its very story driven and has a nice atmosphere @Neil
 
@Hans1984 ok, but what kind of game is it? :)
 
@mr5 What do you mean?
 
telltale type game?
 
theres a wiki entry for the first part
maybe this will help
 
10:11 AM
@Neil indie game ;)
 
Beholder is a video game about a life in a totalitarian State. The game was developed by Warm Lamp Games and published by Alawar Entertainment.Beholder was released on Steam on November 9, 2016 and supports Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, and iOS. == Story == Beholder is inspired by dystopian works of George Orwell, Aldous Huxley, and Ray Bradbury. The main character – Carl – is a government-installed landlord in a totalitarian State. The State appoints Carl to spy on the tenants. The primary task is to covertly watch the tenants and eavesdrop on their conversations. A player can bug apartments...
 
mr5
@Developer00 do you var page = new SelezionaFoto(prodotto) or something like this?
 
oh, sorry, its not an indie game
 
sigh
 
it is a video game
 
10:12 AM
but many said the 2nd part is better
 
@mr5 I use Navigation.PushAsync(new Page(prodotto))
 
it has the setting of 1984
basically everything is controlled
 
@mr5 I'll move them, thanks
Well, but that's an old solution I was using months ago
 
@Wietlol Where would you draw the line between "indie game" and, well, "non-indie game"?
 
but dont get it via steam store, its totally overpriced like everything on steam store
 
10:14 AM
Now I have nothing written
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan iDunno
 
it's a pretty arbitrary definition
 
I have a certain problem with categorization
 
you can actually get it for 1.50€ by now :D
 
similar to "pop" music
 
10:14 AM
but I think we'd all agree that Bethesda games wouldn't be considered to be "indie"
 
its hard to explain
 
there are a few categories I dont really like
 
or rockstar for that matter
 
@Wietlol I think that's everything that passes in radios
 
well beholder 2 is an indie game
of course those companies are no indie companies
 
10:15 AM
@Developer00 but what style of music is it?
 
@Neil It's easy to find the clear-cut cases. Bethesda or Blizzard vs. a one-man studio writing games in his living room. It's the middle where it gets blurry and also, I would say, meaningless.
 
"oh, its pop"
ye, that tells me something about the music, thanks
 
indie used to be a for niche audience
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan what sides exists tho?
 
now its sort of like "people who kind of do things but part time maybe"
 
10:16 AM
indie and triple-a?
 
everyones is trying to make games these days but only a few actually know what it takes to make a good game
 
I guess it's about lyrics and sounds but I'm not sure
 
thats why, quite honestly, most indie games are trash imo
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan well for the sake of not calling everything except monoliths like Bethesda or Blizzard "indie", lets just not call everything in the middle "Indie"
 
"pop" music is "popular", but it is not a music style
 
10:16 AM
out of 10 indie games I like maybe 1-2
 
@mr5 you have any update?
 
@Hans1984 out of 10 indie games you played?
 
and if you have no big budget you re chances are very slim to make a good game theses days
 
Indie games, like indie music, gives you some information, but not the whole picture. There's indie pop and indie FPS shooters, but it can tell you that a game or music might be less commercially-inclined, might take more imaginative chances that a commercial product won't.
 
because finding a good, unique idea that is actually working as a game is very hard
 
10:17 AM
As in many cases, the division is social and cultural, not necessarily technical.
 
since everything is already there
 
I think I consider indie games, games that are built by a set of developers, not a company
 
@Wietlol yes
 
games like the end is nigh are fun and have a great physics mechanic
 
a company would require a label, a brand, etc
 
10:18 AM
most I dont enjoy at all
 
but they're still not games I would play normally
 
if I make a new flappy bird, I dont care about the brand
 
for example take this epic launcher thing
 
I can't get satisfaction from playing games that are frustrating until you win, because it stresses me out the whole time playing them
 
they ve been releasing indie games throughout 2019 every week
 
10:18 AM
@Wietlol But those sets of developers usually start a company. You need it to handle the legal parts.
 
i got almost all of them
 
And those triple-A games? Also built by developers.
 
Recently been playing Satisfactory
That's damn fun
 
and I can count on one hand the ones I've really enjoyed
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan do they tho?
 
10:19 AM
if anyone has played factorio, you should probably buy satisfactory
 
I know game devs that dont have a brand
ofcourse, the game has a brand, but not the developers
 
hasn't even finished yet and it's a polished game
 
and rememeber those are supposed to be the GREAT indie games...
 
mr5
@Developer00 there seems no call permission request before launching the camera app: github.com/jamesmontemagno/…
 
they are mostly named something like "WietlolDev"
 
10:19 AM
the ones they picked
I dont even want to know how an average indie game looks like..
 
@Wietlol No, I think you're narrowing it too much. Take a game like Slay The Spire. Fantastic game with 2 core developers and 3-4 additional team members on visuals and stuff. Definitely an indie game. But they opened a company - MegaCrit Studios - because they want to sell the game. And handle the money. And pay salaries.
 
@Hans1984 go to steam greenlight and see
 
I also got age of wonders 3 which is a nice game but its a total copy of heroes of might and magic
 
hmm...
 
Saying that choosing a crappy name for their company makes them indie kind of reverses cause and effect.
 
10:21 AM
and i dont like games that copy a famouse game and basically contribute nothing new
 
if they set it up as a company, I stop considering it an indie game
 
it's just cheap to me
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan That is such a great game
 
they arent a triple-a company
 
very simple concept too
 
10:21 AM
@Wietlol what if the company is called indie dev productions
 
@Wietlol In that case, your definition doesn't match 99% of the usage of the term.
 
that might be true
 
slay the spire is an example of an excellent indie game
 
> In the video game industry, an indie game or independent video game refers to those games typically created by individuals or smaller development teams without the financial support of a large publisher,
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_game
 
then indie music and indie games are widely different
 
10:23 AM
there are good indie games out there but it's like finding a needle in the haystack
 
@Wietlol Which means that any conversation you have will be frustrating for everyone involved, just like if you used the term "first person shooter" to refer to games like Overwatch.
 
also indian pale ales
 
tons of trash games
 
@Wietlol Exactly. The publisher is the main issue, not the development studio.
 
some good ones
 
10:23 AM
@mr5 Thanks but without permission the app shouldn't let me open the gallery, right?
 
> Indie games are developed by individuals, small teams, or small independent companies that are often specifically formed for the development of one specific game.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_game
 
Or pick a pèhoto
photo*
 
that one might also be quite descriptive
 
@misha130 No, they're exactly the same. Indie music is music that isn't distributed by the major record labels.
 
But it allows me to pick single photos indeed+
 
10:24 AM
"Small company" is a fairly loose term
 
subnautica is a rare kind
 
but isn't indie music a genre?
 
it has the look of an tripple a game but is actually an indie game
and a very good one
 
I can listen to two songs and say that this song is indie and this song isn't
 
8 mins ago, by Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Indie games, like indie music, gives you some information, but not the whole picture. There's indie pop and indie FPS shooters, but it can tell you that a game or music might be less commercially-inclined, might take more imaginative chances that a commercial product won't.
 
10:26 AM
ok but they can have a huge record label
only a record label that supports them because of their imaginative choices? as you said inclined
 
@misha130 As I said about games, there are many songs that you can listen to and say "oh, this is obviously indie" - usually low-fi songs with limited technical production values, or a certain mentality. And there are songs that sound highly-produced and obviously mainstream. But there are a lot of songs you won't be able to guess.
Especially these days, when the tools for individually producing technical high-quality music are a lot more easily available, and publishing tools like SoundCloud are available.
 
so is "artsy" synonymous to "indie"
more or less
 
I've found some decent songs in soundcloud for developing
 
But you can be a struggling indie artist who sings catchy pop - take Belle and Sebastian, which have published their music for years through a small independent label, but they make very poppy music.
 
well I dont know if I would call belle and sebastian indie
 
10:28 AM
Likewise, Slay the Spire is super polished and professional, with lovely art and great mechanics. But is still indie.
 
they have happy songs
 
@misha130 But they are. They're exactly indie, because "happy vs sad" isn't what makes something indie. I
 
yeah indie doesn't mean "unpolished" or "unprofessional"
just refers to the size of the developing team
 
There's a correlation - big mainstream labels might prefer publishing happy pop that sells a lot, and tortured, sad artists might be more common on indie labels that don't try to maximize sales and go for the long tail - but that's not the definition of indie, it's just a side effect.
Belle and Sebastian are indie because they published their music for most of their existence via small, independent record labels. That's the definition.
 
To quote John Carmack, "You need enough pizza and Diet Coke to stick in your refrigerator, a cheap PC to work on, and the dedication to go through with it."
Doom could be considered an indie game by today's standards
 
10:31 AM
> Jeepster Records is a London, England-based independent record label, [..] specialising in British indie and alternative bands, [like] Belle and Sebastian and Snow Patrol.
@Neil I don't think so, because IIRC, it was published by a large publisher.
Ah, it wasn't - they cut ties with their publisher Apogee and self-published it.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan what large publisher?
 
ok just one last thing
can math rock ever be considered not indie?
 
I imagine it was hella impressive to distribute games back then
especially if it meant handing over 10 3.5 floppies
@misha130 math rock?
 
@misha130 If it makes a stunning breakthrough and all the major labels decide to push math rock to the masses?
 
mr5
@Developer00 afaik, storage permission is granted by default unless the user manually denies your app. as for the camera app, it's another permission I think
 
10:35 AM
so if it becomes pop
@Neil rhythm is calculated by math
 
@Neil There was a good interview with Sid Meier I listened to a while back where he talks about the challenges of distributing software when you model was publishing tiny ads in PC enthusiast magazines and hoping someone sends you a self-addressed stamped envelope to send the floppies back in.
@misha130 Pop, like indie, is also a hard definition to pin.
With several different definitions that tend to be used in different contexts.
 
Most games I had growing up were either provided in an issue of PC gamer at the back in packs of 500 or so
or my brothers procured them in some way that I was unfamiliar with
I had the old duke nuke'em, civ 2, doom, doom 2, scorched earth
good times, man. good times
 
@Neil I had all sorts of games I got on a floppy from a friend-of-a-friend which he copied from god-knows who.
The only reason we didn't have viruses all over our computers was... oh, sorry. We did.
 
if you had a virus, you'd know. back then they weren't subtle things
though I think it was enough to not boot using a floppy or launch exe files that you didn't know what they were
 
I literally had a ping-pong "ball" bounce around my screen, yes.
 
10:40 AM
they didn't really have any other means of "infecting" your pc otherwise
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan maybe not deadly, but definitely not subtle :P
 
10:54 AM
#botlifesmatter
caprica or ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨
2
 
@Neil Nah, you had viruses that attached themselves to innocuous EXE files. They would add their binary payload into the EXE (so file size was a good indication of an infected file) and patched the executable loader to run their code and then start the app itself.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan yeah. We did indeed.
 
you still had to run it was the point
but yeah
 
Yeah, but you wanted to run it, didn't you?
Because it was a copy of King's Quest 1 that your cousin's neighbor gave you on a 360kb floppy disk.
 
yeah well, I had an antivirus program and would scan floppies first
it wasn't foolproof but most times that was sufficient
 
11:16 AM
Drives in windows starts at C.
A:\? forget that!
 
yeah, never really understood that
what the hell was B: supposed to be?
 
the big floppies
with the switch thing
 
hmm, then if those came first, I'd think logically A: would be the 5" floppy and B: would be the 3.5" floppy
 
yes I wondered the same
 
what if I installed over 26 drives?
 
11:19 AM
that would have been hard to accomplish back then
though nowadays you can simply map network drives to the various letters and fill up all 26
though I still don't know what would happen
 
@Neil A is the first floppy, B is the second. Regardless of type.
 
someone needs to do an experiment for science
 
I had two 5.25" floppies before 3.5" were a thing.
 
Hi guys, I have a method that updates data. Im sending the request through SOAP UI and it is updating successfully but when I change the position of one of its properties in the request and try to send it, it doesnt update that property .. Does the sequence of the property count?
 
ah ok
then why was the CD drive D:?
should have been A (or B if A was taken)
 
11:21 AM
Because A and B were reserved for floppies.
 
nah my dvd drive at G
 
Because there were too many ancient apps that assumed that A would always be a floppy disk.
 
CD drives didn't even exist when they came up with that system
ah
 
So to avoid having all those apps crash, it was decided that A&B will stay reserved, and have the rest of the drives start from C.
 
and many many years later, A, C remain forever reserved
though I think you can change the drive letter for your hard drive if you wanted
 
11:23 AM
not on C
Since booted system must be C
 
This has been my setup since forever
C: must be the OS disk so whatever
A: is my space storage
B: is the high-cap SSD for games and stuff.
 
throw new FloppyDiskSpaceTooLargeException
btwI would never used HDD for system drive
 
come to think of it, I should partition C: because it barely needs 100GB
Wait a minute, it's already partitioned xD
 
well partition the partition, bro!
do you even partition?
 
partition me !
alright we need cap
its the only way to stop the terrible jokes
 
11:30 AM
Hello Guys
 
You can install all version of VS from 1.0 till 19 and contributing to vswhere
 
let's just join oakbot
hes superior since hes written in java
hello guy
 
sorry for interrupting you guys but im calling a WCF service from SOAP UI and its not working
 
@Sadiq You'll have to be a lot more specific than "not working".
 
if i swap the position of their property
I have a method that updates data. Im sending the request through SOAP UI and it is updating successfully but when I change the position of one of its properties in the request and try to send it, it doesnt update that property .. Does the sequence of the property count?
 
11:32 AM
Are you getting an HTTP error? A server exception wrapped in a SOAP envelope? No response? Did you check your server logs? Client logs?
 
not getting any error
it just doesnt update the value of property
 
You're editing the XML payload directly?
 
theres a default sequence tht comes in SOAP UI
but if i change the position manually it deosnt update then
thts y asking if position matters
 
does it work if you only change the value, but not its position?
are you just rearranging, or adding something extra like a line-break..?
in 6 minutes, you could have tested your question.(?)
maybe the data has some type of checksum to make sure no changes were made (?)
 
11:49 AM
no there's no such check
value is updated successfully until position is changed
 
@Sadiq you're not working with Royal Mail's SOAP api are you?
 
Hi guys, I'm back
 
mr5
@Patrick are you still ded
 
So, I've tried to implement the code @mr5 suggested me
 
@CaptainObvious No im not
 
mr5
11:51 AM
@Patrick hey
 
Ughh, I think I forgot what its that supposed to do.
 
But it still doesn't let me pick multiple photos
 
mr5
@Patrick learn noice thumbs.gfycat.com/…
 
@mr5 did you really teach me to say noice? I learned it the hard way
 
Oh good. They have a spectacuarly non-standards-compliant SOAP api where you literally have to hand craft the envelope because libraries will make it complain
 
mr5
11:52 AM
@Patrick noice
 
oh!
hey @Patrick
atleast this bot has an excuse for beeing dumb
since patrick is a dumb character
you played it save with the name choice
I see, i see
 
mr5
It was inspired by Sandy
@Patrick what can you do?
 
Ughh, I think I forgot what its that supposed to do.
 
@Patrick Is Sandy your friend ?
 
mr5
11:55 AM
I'm still thinking how could I make it more sound Patrick
 
you can't
since its only written
I imagine pattricks voice whenever i read this bot
so it works for me
 
mr5
hmm I'm wondering why it won't respond to you
can you try again?
@Patrick Is Sandy wour friend ?
 
Ughh, I think I forgot what its that supposed to do.
 
@Patrick how are you
 
Ughh, I think I forgot what its that supposed to do.
 
mr5
11:58 AM
@Patrick eval '@Hans1984 sup'
 
@Hans1984 sup
 
mr5
you can teach him commands:
@ Patrick learn <command_name> <any text here>
 
;)
cool
 
mr5
@ Patrick should be without space
stop
 
@mr5 hammer time!
 
11:59 AM
haha
hes learning fast
 
mr5
it can also join other rooms by through voting
 
@Patrick you're going down, tubby!
 
Ughh, I think I forgot what its that supposed to do.
 
mr5
@Patrick join 9
 
I'm going to join the children's room 9. I just need 2 more vote.
 
mr5
12:00 PM
cast your votes. I actually didn't test this further
 
@Patrick join 9
 
I'm going to join the children's room 9. I just need 1 more vote.
 
mr5
@Patrick join 9
 
did he go? :p
 
mr5
not yet. I wonder why he didn't respond
 
12:01 PM
why doesn't he respond to being called a tubby?? >:V
 
maybe its unique votes?
 
mr5
@Patrick join 8
 
per user
 
I'm going to join the children's room 8. I just need 2 more vote.
 
@Patrick join 8
 
12:02 PM
I'm going to join the children's room 8. I just need 1 more vote.
 
mr5
yeah it's unique votes but he still should respond
 
ahhh ok
 
Things to not call Patrick:
Tubby
Rick
Pinhead
Krusty Krab
 
what about dumb
f.cker
haha j/k
 
mr5
@Patrick learn ready i.imgur.com/HFU9L5gh.jpg
 
12:06 PM
@mr5 did you really teach me to say ready? I learned it the hard way
 
I see mr5 is spamming patrick commands in C# room again
 
mr5
@Patrick ready
 
mr5
I miss patrick
he doesn't respond right after I left the house
 
wtf why'd you give him the version of Painty from that CG episode?
 
12:12 PM
they need to play in the sandbox first
 
@Hans1984 depends on which distribution runs me
 
@Wietbot It's amazingly unintuitively located in the "room" dropdown menu on the right, below the room tags.
 
I don't know this command, did you mean any of the following? join, poop
 
39 messages moved to Sandbox
I did a thing!
 
ofc, I get moved, but patrick doesnt
I see it
 
12:13 PM
Patick works
 
patick yeah
whomever pinned the message of sandy calling kieran a rat: thank you
 
@Patrick is this the Krusty Krab?
 
Ughh, I think I forgot what its that supposed to do.
 
@mr5 youtube works perfectly
 
@mr5 so are you running this bot from your own server or what?
 
mr5
12:17 PM
running from my local machine but in VM
 
oh gotcha ;)
 
mr5
it's just another user but with JS commands injected on the browser's console
 
I've been meaning to turn this 2001 Dell Dimension 6500 into a server of some kind; maybe that could be it :P
one of the biggest problems with using that thing as a PC is the fact that I'd need to get a different network card, since the one it has is dial-up only
also opening this thing up is the biggest pain in the ass ever @.@
literally it opens up like a book after you undo a latch on the top...back when Dell thought that foregoing screws automatically meant the case would be easier to open
 
@AlRey You'd probably be better off using the ckoud
 
would that mean I just rent some cloud space for my server? :P
 
12:20 PM
Basicallyt
 
12:32 PM
6500? pentium4?
 
mr5
12:43 PM
how can I convert a map to an array of objects?
 
@ABuckau yeah pretty sure it's a pentium4
it had a diskette drive in it, but I tossed that out....but now I have this awkward hole in the front that I need to cover up
 
@mr5 [...map] will give you an array of tuples
Also, your a isn't a map to begin with, it's an array. Since arrays are first class objects they can have properties, but it's a bit of abuse to use them in this fashion.
 
mr5
on the first case, JSON.stringify fails to parse the a so I think it needs to be converted to the second case
 
I wonder how well my Dimension can play Half-Life 2 OoO
 

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