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8:01 AM
on a side note... avner, are you familiar with AWS?
I thought it was easy, but it turns out, I didn't know shit
 
@CaptainObvious what month is a bit wonky?
 
I think he means
> an application "a month"
although, I never heard of such applications
 
a month ago
 
I think there are 3 separate sentences without any punctuation
 
I cant decide if you are trolling or serious
I really cant
now I am questioning my social skills
 
8:06 AM
Turns out an update
I published to an application
a month is a bit wonky
@HéctorÁlvarez like that?
 
is that a haiku?
 
@Squirrelintraining thank you for taking the time to respond
 
@Wietlol exactly.
 
@Wietlol Not really. Worked a bit with the devops APIs a few years ago.
 
aw
 
8:16 AM
Could I ask you a question 'bout Xamarin?
 
Right now, of course, I'm after a couple of weeks of holidays, vacations and conventions, so I remember nothing about anything.
@Developer00 Don't ask if you can ask, just ask.
 
Sorry, I'm new to the chat room :D
 
Hi new to the chat room :D, I am Wietlol
 
So, I have to develop a sort of e-commerce app
The Database part is already done
Now I have to face the customization of the products
 
@ntohl Nonono, I ment hand me the screw "u"
 
8:18 AM
(We print photos eg)
Is there any libraries or other things to make it possible with low effort?
 
@Developer00 you should clearly define the specifications for what types of customizations are allowed to each product
 
@Developer00 That seems much too vague. What are you trying to do in the app, specifically?
 
any library which would handle all of that would be a framework and would dictate how you should create your database as well
or they wouldn't do much of what you require
 
I mean pick multiple photos, display them, move, stretch them inside a frame, zoom in or out...
 
in either case, I don't think there's an easy fix library
 
8:20 AM
what do you do when your Manager expects unimaginable amount of work in very short period of time ?
 
The users has to choose a product and apply his photo(s) to it
I've been stuck on this for a while...
I tried to implement code on my own
 
@Sakthivel slap him firmly in the face
 
but the app gets too big
 
ok well for file management, you'd do best to use a cloud for that
specifically one that handles images
 
Wait
 
8:22 AM
@Wietlol He is just 9000 miles away
 
your database would save the URL and you can use that URL on your page to show it
 
then you should try harder
 
the app works along with an existing website & database
 
:D
 
also... he cant be 9000 miles away
 
8:22 AM
@Developer00 ok, but now you need to add product photos, right?
 
The app just have to save products and images, send them to the server and create the order
 
that would mean he is in outer space
earth's diameter is 4000 miles
 
The part of 'choosing products' was easy
 
@Developer00 is there any chance that next year, you need to do something more than photos?
 
But that part about customize product is harsh
 
8:24 AM
I haven't used anything like that, but searching for "xamarin image editing library" came up with some hits, like forums.xamarin.com/discussion/103393/…
 
Avni
HE LIVES
I summoned thou yesterday
AND NOW THOU AREN'T GONE NO MOA
 
well, we already have multiple products, including paintings, photobooks and many other
 
27 mins ago, by Avner Shahar-Kashtan
@Wietlol You can't know that for certain, can you?
@Squirrelintraining
 
I've already tried syncfusion
but it's an image editor
 
17 secs ago, by Wietlol
@Squirrelintraining
 
8:25 AM
It's not exactly what I need
 
Sorry I',m no attict no more that sees evrything
@Wietlol
 
that response was for you
you cant be sure he is alive
we have to assume he is still dead
 
I never assumed he was dead.
I just assumed he got taken by Netanyahu.
 
I was mostly taken by my children, my friends, and my science-fiction convention.
 
Fixed*
The con!
I new it guys!
 
8:27 AM
My idea was to choose a product, load N photos, display them as frames, move them within their frames or apply other gestures
save the whole product
pay it
send it to a server page
 
21 hours ago, by Squirrel in training
Any1 notice that @Avner wasn'T in this room for a time, he isn't even suggested when typing "@Avner" :o
 
how I did it was by having a "screen" (probably product in your case) which has a display object
 
20 hours ago, by Squirrel in training
@HéctorÁlvarez Maybe for his talk in GB
 
one display object is a layered display object (which has a list of display objects)
 
@Squirrelintraining I think after 3 days away the ping-auto-completer forgets about you. Sic transit in a heartbeat.
 
8:29 AM
each display object also has a position and size
position is always relative to parent
a display could also be an image display
which in addition to the position and size, also has an image source and a strategy for scaling
assuming your storage allows polymorphism, storing those screens or products would be easy
editting them might be a bit more difficult tho
but I assume you have to make the editor yourself
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan What is sic?
 
@Wietlol Doesn't that make the app too big?
And also, I have to add text to the images
 
dont make the editor in the app
make it separately
smaller apps :D
 
And I can't really find how to get away with that part of app
 
is it a mobile application?
 
8:33 AM
Yes
 
ew
 
@Squirrelintraining sic transit gloria mundi - a Latin phrase meaning "so passes the glory of the world", usually used to note how something that is great and famous one day can be forgotten the next.
 
How can I implement the editor both for android & ios?
I saw many app of our competitors
 
\o
 
use a cross platform ui framework and cross platform language
 
8:34 AM
they use a sort of library that let them do all that stuff
 
"all that stuff"
 
@Wietlol Yeah but how can I pick multiple photos in a cross platform language even though there's no way of doing that if not platform-based
@Wietlol Sorry if I'm stressing you, I'm just new to xamarin and I'm alone on this project
I feel so much pressure about this
 
I dont use xamarin tho
 
What would you recommend?
I've thought about PhoneGap
 
if your doubts are if you can make an android + ios app that suits all your needs, try to make a list of all requirements that your app needs from the platform or device
 
8:37 AM
oh.
Now I get it :D
 
for example "load images from gallery" or whatever
then, make a simple app to proof that you can do those things on both android and ios
if you cant, then the framework you chose sucks
and you have to pick another one
 
I found that so many things don't exist in xamarin
 
ye, Microsoft's idea of "cross platform" is different than mine
 
And other aren't possible in cross-platform
What do you suggest?
 
@Developer00 I'm pretty sure PhoneGap doesn't exist anymore (wasn't it renamed Cordoba?) and I'm not sure it would have given you good cross-platform image editing support. Xamarin should support it just fine.
 
8:39 AM
cap or...
 
I am not sure what phonegap can do with the native api tho
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan cordova?
 
Don't let @Wietlol's general negativity scare you away from a platform he admittedly doesn't use.
 
RIOT !
 
Maybe it wasthe other way around? Cordova renamed to PhoneGap?
 
How can I achieve those things
 
8:40 AM
@Developer00 as I said, try to make a proof of concept in Xamarin, see if it can give you enough functionality to make your app
if not, then look for alternatives
 
No, I was right. Cordova, formerly known as PhoneGap.
 
if it can... use xamarin
 
I already tried it
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan looks pretty fine tho
 
I found a solution for the multipicker for images
but it was only for android
 
8:41 AM
@Developer00 Check out the link I posted earlier. It mentioned several image editing libraries for Xamarin. Building a simple image browser + load from gallery should be easy to do even with Xamarin Forms, the write-once cross-platform library. For things that aren't, you drop down to Xamarin native.
 
I tried to use some libraries
But the worked only with google photo
 
PhoneGap: From the team behind Apache Cordova, the Adobe PhoneGap framework is an open source distribution of Cordova.
Cordova: Apache Cordova (formerly PhoneGap) is a mobile application development framework originally created by Nitobi.
I am so confused
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I'll check, thanks
 
now i went to js chat
riot
 
You know, I'm 19 and I don't have much experience
 
8:44 AM
ahoy mateys
o/
 
I've strated working with xamarin a couple of months ago
 
@Developer00 Are you a freelance developer? If not, there should be someone else in the project that should be able to help. If they can't, then the project is headed for a fall. Bringing in junior devs is great. Bringing in only junior devs isn't practical.
 
21 hours ago, by Sandy
kieran is a rat
 
Am aware
Am waiting for roach to join so i may kick
 
phonegap is an adobe product that they sort of upkeep
but cordova forked from that
 
8:45 AM
oh wait,
> Seen 1m ago
 
Well, I'm supposed to be followed by a senior dev
but he's never there
 
@Harry u der boi
 
so i'm always on my own
 
i have a surprise for ye
 
just write in kotlin
 
8:46 AM
wot
 
I remember my last internship...
There was the manager and the lead developer (who graduaded 2 years before I got there)
 
@misha130 I'd have to start again everything
 
there I was as student
and 4 other students
 
And I never used kotlin
 
roach is always here
 
8:47 AM
it was so illegal... but cheap
the product sucked tho
 
mr5
where have you been avnir
 
TBH in school I just learnt java for desktop
 
Surprise given
 
mr5
isn't Harry's avatar a cockroach?
 
8:48 AM
@Developer00 I would stick to xamarin (ew, I cant believe I said that) and make the list of requirements of the platform
if it works, it works
 
mr5
java for desktop, I remember creating GUI using Java Swing. God, that was so awful!
 
@Developer00 Let your manager know that. As a junior dev, you're supposed to be stuck on learning curves and exploration. The senior dev is there so you don't waste too much time there. Let your manager know if you feel you don't have anyone to turn to. That's the manager's job.
 
if it doesnt work... find out how to make it work
 
i swear to god
i must be the most kicked from this room
 
often, these frameworks can do a bit more, but just in a different way
 
8:49 AM
@Harry sounds about right
 
except for maybe @J.Doe
 
My manager knows very little about programming
 
That's a point actually
I think he's prolly got you beat
 
your manager doesnt have to know programming
he only has to understand that a junior construction site worker is probably not capable of laying down a foundation that lasts for centuries
 
I bet he thinks that it's just to apply what I did in school
 
8:50 AM
no of course not. he doesn't have to know how to manage people either, but it helps to be an effective manager
 
God damn
I go on holiday for a week and none of my passwords work anymore
 
@CaptainSquirrel but why?
 
He knows I have to learn a lot
 
21 hours ago, by Sandy
kieran is a rat
 
That's the only reason I still work there I think
 
8:50 AM
21 hours ago, by Harry
@Sandy, say kieran is a rat
 
But he wants me to learn things on my own
 
@Harry sounds about right
 
And not to rely on a senior dev
 
its fun to learn things on your own... but not really effective
 
@Wietlol Can be better than learning form a nitwit
 
8:51 AM
you learn from mistakes, you dont necessarily have to make them by yourself
 
And for me it's more effective.
 
@Wietlol Depends, that's how i learned most of what i know about c# programming
 
a senior dev has made more mistakes than you have tried
 
When I started with this app I didn't even know how xamarin was structured
 
learn from his, and you become a great dev
 
8:52 AM
I had to watch lots of tutoprials
 
when you start off, you will be a code monkey. You'll be given all the menial tasks and treated like you know nothing. It's normal. Know that what moves you out of this phase is your experience. So learn as much as possible.
 
@CaptainSquirrel where did you learn solid structuring of your code?
where did you learn to properly unit test your code?
 
I'm okay with this work
 
where did you learn how to set up a good CI/CD?
 
@Wietlol the program i was maintaining and the other that i was building
 
8:52 AM
I just don't want to be fired
 
Unit testing, hah
CI/CD, hah
 
where did you learn how to do things that are not as easy as create a model, store it in the database and retrieve it in the code?
 
CI/CD I basically replicated our build & deployment steps at my last place (when i was basically 4 years in) and went from there
 
It was a month ago
 
optimized it a little with powershell scripts and the like
 
8:53 AM
By reading documentation I guess
 
I've been firefighting a bit
 
The real problem is that the thing I like most is web develop
I've spent a few weeks making landing pages or js code
but there's already a programmer here that does it
He's like the website owner
He wrote it entirely
Thanks guys for your attention
I don't really know what to do with this app
 
yo ci/cd is not the resp of the dev
google some architectures and guidelines for xamarin @Developer00
and try to follow them
instead of just going with the flow
 
I'm kinda scared that I'm not able to make it
 
if you are the only IT person in the company... everything is your resp
 
8:57 AM
We're 3
One is never there
 
yea but its not something you should list along unit tests
 
The other knows nothing about xamarin
And there's me
 
as "solid app dev"
 
@Developer00 all students/juniors?
 
Nope
2 seniors and me
 
8:58 AM
imho, those seniors should give you an equally good recommendation as we do
 
ATM there's just one of them and he's working on the website cart page
 
ah, so he has plenty of time
;)
 
My manager told me to do some researches about xamarin
He suggested me to ask here
 

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