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11:00 PM
why would rss give you junk email?
 
I subscribed to it with outlook, it has a folder for RSS feeds
 
did not know that
 
I subscribed to feeds I thought would be interesting, they never were
 
user47589
haha
 
@torvin Did you ever use babel? It generated a file completely identical to the one I already had
 
11:06 PM
@ErwinOkken you have to pass arguments to it
wait a sec
@ErwinOkken --presets es2015
like this
or, you can do the same with the config file
 
couldnt find preset
Think im missing something
 
you have to install it
npm install babel-preset-es2015
or something like that :)
 
user47589
lol
 
you can also generate a sourcemap, so you can debug your original JS in the browser, not the transpiled version
 
11:08 PM
I wonder if I could get away with using NodeJS for this project, hehehe
maybe NancyFX...
 
user47589
i'm learning nancy right now
 
did you guys see dis? lightsaber.withgoogle.com
 
I get a lot of errors,.. thx for the help guys im going to dig into it :p
 
user47589
current hobby/learning project is writing some nice visualizations for our house power consumption. learning D3 and Nancy
 
Registry returned 404 for GET on https://registry.npmjs.org/babel-reset-es2015

=)
 
11:10 PM
@ErwinOkken you misspelled preset
 
I saw
 
here is the correct url: registry.npmjs.org/babel-preset-es2015
 
I copied it from a website
sry :p
no wait
It automatically does that Oo
 
@Amy this is basically a very lightweight information coordinator, I think NancyFX might be a good fit
 
are you sure you didn't copy some kind of weird unicode symbol?
 
11:12 PM
I try it again but then global
 
user47589
even if it isn't, @Codeman, it's part of the learning process.
 
WebAPI has more than I need. I don't need web.configs or routes or all that fanciness
@Amy well - it also occurs that I work at MSFT and asking to use an open source version of a similar product might be greeted with raised eyebrows
also might cause pain on deployment
 
user47589
indeed
 
@torvin It's doing fine now I think :-)
 
nice
 
11:13 PM
Funny that I thought it was small, but 40,000 items are being copied ;D
 
oh, that thing is huge
and is quite slow
 
As long as I can keep using ES2015 ;D
My motivation is huge now
 
user47589
"hyuuuge" -- trump
 
@torvin I got it 100% working. Thanks for all your help =)
 
@ErwinOkken you're welcome! and oh, by the way... did I forgot to mention that my advices are $10 each?
 
11:25 PM
No, but now I know it for the next time ;-)
/me is too scared to ask questions at this particular moment ;D
 
@ErwinOkken btw, does it also takes ~10-15 seconds to transpile your source? this is killing me
 
user47589
this is awesome: tholman.com/elevator.js
 
@torvin Yes it does take quite a while, but I only have to do it when putting it on production so..
If it takes 30 minutes, then we can play a game of pingpong or something ^^
 
I wonder if this is NodeJS fault. I don't have any experience with it outside babel
 
user47589
i know next to nothing about Node
 
11:31 PM
I wonder if it is always that horrendously slow
Because seriously, how much time could it take to translate some JS to some other JS?
 
I know what you mean
Sending all the code to Facebook Inc. :p
 
lol
 
Even then.. it's slow
 
...where it is translated manually by hand?
 
Well according to the time, apparantly :p
 
11:34 PM
 
user47589
maybe Process Monitor can tell you something?
 
@Amy I think it just takes a lot of time for NodeJS to start. But I'm not sure
 
user47589
bower and gulp run on Node, right? i've used those and they weren't slow.
 
@torvin Yes, babel is slow. Why is that a problem?
 
user47589
because slow isn't fast?
 
11:36 PM
Why is fast necessary?
 
user47589
i didn't say it was. i did imply it was desirable, though.
 
It's a build step. It doesn't need to be fast.
 
@KendallFrey because they deprecated in-browser transform
so in order to test something you have to waaaait
@KendallFrey or, you are so wrong. fast build is very important. or you have to have REPL instead
 
10-15 seconds? consider yourself lucky
My build server takes more than 20 minutes
@torvin Nah, fast runtime is important
 
my c# app takes 5 seconds to compile in the average scenario
 
11:39 PM
build once, run many times
this is why you shouldn't do at runtime what you can do at build time
 
@KendallFrey that's the philosophy of C++ people and that's why no one really uses it anymore, unless they have to. too expensive to develop
 
Yet you're complaining that JS is slow
 
@KendallFrey no, JS is fast enough. only babel is slow
 
And no, that's not at all why people don't use C++
In fact, lots of people still use C++
 
because they have to
 
11:41 PM
no of course not
 
11:56 PM
freeze dried grapes... weird
 

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