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3:00 PM
@tweray exclusive hololens honeymoon experience?
 
i would take that lol
 
turn the room into the place your wife actually wanted to go
and pretend it's ok
 
@Amy I saw some posts on forums complaining about calculation going wrong due to padding base64 adds.
 
@Feeds of course Eric Lippert is referring to a book co-written by Jon Skeet
 
@TomW you'll be pleased to know that my system just broke in production because someone selected a place of birth that doesn't exist anymore.
 
3:02 PM
@CuddleBunny The point of the honeymoon is the experience; who cares if it's artificial as long as it feels the same?
@Squiggle Atlantis?
 
@RoelvanUden ah. See, that's the problem: Closing of one Window or switching from one View to another View (UserControls for example) would change the ViewModel and probably the Model but that'd have no influence on my dataadapter, since it's loaded per MEF -> one instance. My dataadapter would still have no clue that the connection feeding the IQueryable was no longer needed which means that after a few hours I'd have a couple hundred sql connection/computer.
 
@Squiggle no way, seriously?
thug life
 
I'd need some kind of Command/Event/Signal that told my dataadapter that it can close connection X and dispose it.
 
@TomW Yugoslavia :-/
is it sane to just allow free input if there's no logic tied to that selection?
 
@SteffenWinkler You have unload events etc.
 
3:04 PM
@Squiggle you need to hire me as a contractor. I accept payment in gold bars or yachts, up to you
 
or will users just take the piss?
 
> will users just take the piss?
Yes.
 
roffle
 
it's always insane to allow ppl type in country name instead of select
 
Will it do enough damage for you to care?
 
3:05 PM
in which case, postal service is actually insane
 
@TomW Not really
 
actual c# question
can you implement a SOAP ws-security header for a request?
thats a thing right?
 
user47589
i believe you can
 
@RoelvanUden true...
 
well, depend on what you mean by "implement "
you can inject almost anything you like into http header
 
3:07 PM
I mean add it to a service reference
 
@RoelvanUden that'd mean I'd have to pair the datacontext/connection with the queryable in a dictionary so that later on the MVVM model could call a closeconnection method with the specific IQueryable
 
user47589
are you talking WCF, @Failsafe?
 
i can add it at runtime but i'd rather just have a config value
@Amy yea
 
user47589
then yes, you can definitely add your own soap headers
 
@Failsafe configuring WCF for security is fully-featured but very difficult
 
3:08 PM
@TomW well it's required so i don't have much of a choice
 
WS2007HttpBinding supports the greatest set of WS-* features, IIRC
 
lol
 
I mean, it can be done, but it's complicated. Some specific things I might be able to help but I've only scratched the surface
 
i have the header working in soapui just gotta translate it
 
@Failsafe if wcf, i think you can do <security mode="TransportWithMessageCredential" /> in your binding
 
user47589
3:09 PM
WCF is great until you use it. then you find yourself trapped in configuration hell with no chance of escape
 
security requirements expressed in policy assertions are a PITA in that you have to just know what config setting corresponds to that requirement
@tweray it gets a lot more complicated than that
 
yeah, i believe so, never did wcf with http for a long time
 
Services are self-documenting, they tell you what they want - but there is no mapping that I know of between how those requirements are expressed, and how you configure WCF to do it
 
binding.Security.Mode = BasicHttpSecurityMode.TransportWithMessageCredential;
?
i assume?
 
the basic idea i have is, if i need wcf and http to marry, i must have done something wrong
 
3:11 PM
i just need to append the header
i havent done WCF in a very long time
 
what header?
 
here's something prof. google gave me: weblog.west-wind.com/posts/2012/Nov/24/…
 
<soapenv:header>
<wsse:Security>
</wsse:Security>
</soapenv:header>
 
disclaimer: i never did that
 
user47589
wcf and http are getting married?
 
3:14 PM
an empty security header?
 
@TomW no, i just didnt want to do the work of editing it
hold on
<wsse:Security xmlns:wsse="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2003/06/secext">
<wsse:UsernameToken wsu:Id="sample"
xmlns:wsu="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2003/06/utility">
<wsse:Username>uname</wsse:Username>
<wsse:Password Type="wsse:PasswordText">pass</wsse:Password>
</wsse:UsernameToken>
</wsse:Security>
 
I think you need
`<security mode="TransportWithMessageCredential">
<message clientCredentialType ="UserName" />
</security>`
come on chat, you can do this
 
i also think this
and i already have it
 
Anyone care to put eyes on some XML deserialization code to see what I may be missing? I'm getting empty arrays returned. =(
 
ok, what's the client generating in the soap headers?
oh, applying it to the right binding also
 
3:18 PM
@Sidney sure
 
binding.Security.Mode = BasicHttpSecurityMode.TransportWithMessageCredential;
binding.Security.Transport.ClientCredentialType = HttpClientCredentialType.Basic;
 
0
A: Xamarin Android Player is unable to run API 21 or higher emulators

PhilLabIt might be that hyper-v is causing the problem: "VirtualBox and Hyper-V cannot co-exist on the same machine". Try to disable it using bcedit as explained in the link. For further reference, see this discussion

 
I'm not sure it's HttpClientCredentialType, hold on
 
@juanvan Removed code, posting to pastie
 
i didn't run it yet, i will soon though
 
3:19 PM
@Sidney can you post it to pastie
 
im still writing my modules
i am just setting the binding still
 
oh maybe it is
yeah, try that
 
Anyone in here is a Xamarin developer?? I realy need some help.
 
@Sidney can you post the xml too?
 
@juanvan
Deserialization object http://pastie.org/10689826
Xml http://pastie.org/10689829
 
3:21 PM
Cool
 
@TomW wait
nope nvm
forget that
 
When I try and deserialize it, a null array for the exceptioncomponent arrays
 
@Eminem did you asked on Xam forums?
 
@SiddharthP I have. Even sent an email to the support, but they just told me to reinstall it maunally, which got me nowhere.
 
@Eminem are you sure it is a problem specific to Xamarin?
 
3:23 PM
@Sidney am assuming there is more then 1 XML file you are working with?
 
@CuddleBunny Of course. Which other topic it should be related to, if not Xamarin
?
 
@juanvan No, it's just that file. I trimmed down the two list arrays to one element each for pasting brevity.
 
yeah same as turn it off & on again. does it not generate any log files for the player?
 
@Eminem I mean the emulator itself or something in the APK. Have you tried alternatively using the emulator that comes with Visual Studio?
 
ok so what you need is Nullable [] for that item
public ExceptionComponent[]? Components { get; set; }
 
3:24 PM
@CuddleBunny Unfortubatly, my CP is not capble of running VS emulator.
PC*
 
I've never had good luck with the APK emulators, they all take 10 minutes to load and crash all the time
 
@Sidney what happens is some where in that XML ExceptionComponent has no elements in a StaffException or ClientException
 
rather an emulator than a simulator
 
@TomW This mgiht work
WSHttpBinding binding = new WSHttpBinding();
binding.Security.Mode = SecurityMode.TransportWithMessageCredential;
binding.Security.Transport.ClientCredentialType = HttpClientCredentialType.Basic;

EndpointAddress address =
new EndpointAddress(this.ServiceURL);

this.Client = new MyClient(binding, address);

this.Client.ClientCredentials.UserName.UserName = ServiceUserID;
this.Client.ClientCredentials.UserName.Password = ServicePassword;
or not format
thats cool too
 
What I dont get is why KitKat works, but Lollipop does not. It is so wired.
 
3:27 PM
KitKat +|- version from Lollipop?
 
i assume it's because kitkat contains caffeine
 
Kitkat is 19, and Lollipop is 21/22.
 
@Failsafe yes, that looks right. Are you not using a config file though?
 
@TomW no
 
remember they did some changes from Kit to the next version that caused all kinda problems
 
3:28 PM
soeey guys but I'm asking again, do you know how to prevent this error from happening?"The HTTP request is unauthorized with client authentication scheme "Anonymous". The authentication header received from the server was ""."
 
@Dess more information needed. What are you doing to cause this?
 
@Eminem if you didn't already try it I would have agreed with reinstalling it. Based on your description in the question it seems like something is breaking at an OS level. Maybe try completely removing that emulator and reinstalling it and then trying to run it alone before loading your app onto it?
 
@Dess disable anonymous authentication and enable windows authentication?
 
if you are server side, make sure you allow anonymous auth. if you are client side, stop trying that, you are not supposed to
 
yea, the problem is the client sent this error when calling a method from dhl express webservice
and I can't duplicate it, everything works when I use the same method
 
3:30 PM
DHL ERRRR EW
 
@CuddleBunny I've done it like 5 times already, using the instruction of the xamarin support member. But it still does not work. I dont get it, because on my other PC, it worked fine. And I did the exact same thing, only that my current PC is WIN 10, and not WIN 7.
 
@juanvan I've checked through my xml, and none of the Client or Staff exceptions are empty. It even fails on the pasted xml version. :/
 
@Eminem also run updates on windows and all related software and restart PC just in case. As for why kitkat doesn't break and the latter do it is likely do to some software or virtualization demand that didn't exist in earlier versions either for feature/performance reasons
 
@Sidney humm..
 
@Failsafe I don't really understand, what windows authentication? I'm using client.ClientCredentials.UserName.UserName and client.ClientCredentials.UserName.Password for authentication
 
3:33 PM
Is this a soap webservice?
 
@Dess i answered without context
sorry
i thought you were doing websites not services
 
@CuddleBunny I will try that. Thank you
 
What auth mode do soap services usually use? I guess they don't need one, since soap has its own auth model
 
@Dess are you sure your client is doing the same thing?
 
i'm not doing any of that:P it's winforms app, infortunatelly
 
3:34 PM
@Eminem sorry I can't help more, maybe try Google's Android support community
 
well, all he can do is enter some data which is sent to webservice
 
maybe there is even a known issue between the higher version emulators and Windows 10
 
it couldn't affect the connection between client app and webservice
should I use something like "client.ClientCredentials.Windows.AllowedImpersonationLevel = System.Security.Principal.TokenImpersonationLevel.Impersonation;"?
 
@Sidney did you try to make the array nulable
 
@Dess is this a real instance of the webservice you're calling or a stub?
It's strange that it would respond with "". I'm not sure what that means
 
3:40 PM
i don't know what you mean by stub:/ i'm rather new to all this
 
Fake, mock, shim, Not Real
 
ah, yeah, i'm using test webservice
 
Is it issued by the author or something you wrote?
Do you know what authentication mode the real thing uses?
 
it's a CommunicationException
here's the binding, not sure if that's what you want:P
CustomBinding binding = new CustomBinding();
var security = TransportSecurityBindingElement.CreateUserNameOverTransportBindingElement();
security.IncludeTimestamp = false;
security.DefaultAlgorithmSuite = SecurityAlgorithmSuite.Basic256;
security.MessageSecurityVersion = MessageSecurityVersion.WSSecurity10WSTrustFebruary2005WSSecureConversationFebruary2005WSSecurityPolicy11BasicSecurityProfile10;

var encoding = new TextMessageEncodingBindingElement();
encoding.MessageVersion = MessageVersion.Soap11;
 
I think I saw the most weird thing on the tube ever.
 
3:43 PM
tube = subway?
 
y-tube
 
oh
 
I was going to !!youtube "Its not friday" in hope of getting something fancy
Saw something really awkward.
 
@Dess ok, I don't really have time to pick through this, but I guess this is something to do with how you're hosting the test service, it's to do with IIS/your hosting environment, not the service itself
 
@TomW It's not my webservice, it's DHL Express webservice to create shipment
 
3:45 PM
google 'enable anonymous authentication', that'll get you to where that's configured in IIS, I can't remember exactly where; other authentication modes are also there
 
user47589
shit, its thursday.
 
user47589
i thought it was friday
 
@Sidney here is my xml pastie.org/10689891
 
user47589
is depressed now
 
@Amy i got monday off next week :)
 
user47589
3:46 PM
o/
 
@Amy excuse yourself from work tomorrow due to "temporal dislocation
 
I wish I had tomorrow off
 
@Dess I just asked you whether you wrote it. So it's a test service, but hosted by DHL?
 
I was yesterday, then today came and it was better
@ShotgunNinja wish I had tomorrow off everyday
 
@TomW sorry, DHL provides two webservices, one for testing purposes, and the production webservice for real purposes
 
3:47 PM
OK. I don't know, too busy to help any more right now
 
i'm using test webservice, but the client uses production webservice
ok, thanks anyway :/
but to finish what I was writing, I created one shipment on production webservice and it all worked
 
Using the same code as you're using to call the test service?
 
exactly the same, only different thing is endpoint address
and webservice I'm calling:P
 
Sounds like the service is configured wrong
or they've configured no authentication whatsoever so that anyone can call it, that makes more sense
 
I have credentials for both webservices so not ANYONE;p
 
3:56 PM
@Amy well if you're in the US it's a long weekend coming up
 
@RoelvanUden and @TomW I am done and Its working now. :) Thank you and have a good day!
 
user47589
it is?
 
MLK Day
 
user47589
ah
 
I have to work on MLK Day
because my company is all white
 
user47589
3:57 PM
i have no idea if i have mlk day off
 
@ShotgunNinja I have it off, but our last not white person quit last Friday...
 
@ShotgunNinja it's a federal holiday
 
yeah, just confirmed with the supervisor, we never get MLK Day off
 
user47589
the only non-white people here are the cleaning staff and some of the call center ladies
 
user47589
not a lot of diversity here :(
 
4:00 PM
Yeah, there needs to be a lot better incentive for African-Americans and women to enter our field
 
Starting around the time they're born.
 
TIL my company is fairly diverse
Although there used to be a woman here who I'm pretty sure only got hired to fulfill some quota.
 
@ShotgunNinja although, I'm not sure I agree with that. Other than lots of money, which we all get, what sort of incentive are you talking about?
 
She wasn't a particularly good programmer. Or particularly smart, for that matter.
Ugh, I can't find it now but Alex Papadimoulis from TDWTF talks about the "Steve Principle" - on any given software team there will be more men named Steve (or Chris or Mike or whatever) than there will be women.
 
@TomW I honestly have no idea. Maybe start breaking down the stigma that programming is a white man's job, and promote programs which expose women and minorities to the field at a young age?
 
4:05 PM
The response from almost all people with hiring responsibility would be words to the effect of "we'd hire them if they applied", I'm sure.
 
I mean, I'm involved in FIRST Robotics, so I do that
there's plenty of women and minorities on those teams
 
there are a bunch of women here, probably 25% but everyone is white
 
but there's also plenty of high schools in my area, especially in the historically-black neighborhoods, that can't afford to get involved in FIRST
 
I was on a FIRST team, we just had the school with all the money make a team and all the poor schools were allowed to be on that same team
 
4:07 PM
Yeah, but that's inconvenient to the poor-school kids
 
Don't allow schools to be poor.
Government, are you listening?
 
yeah, we had the meetings at the most centrally located school (ironically called central)
@TomW I think it is less about the schools themselves being poor in this case. Trying to get funding from the district was HARD. We got most of our money from corporate sponsors. We were lucky in that there was a big branch of GE Rail in town at the time.
For some reason they didn't see the value in kids building robots... was pretty dumb.
 
Agreed; a lot of the problem is the pervasiveness of poverty and the feeling like even if they get involved in it, it still won't help
I've heard that sentiment before
 
Education and military are probably the two most important parts of a budget
 
I agree, but I feel that military is the less important of the two
 
4:09 PM
I would say infrastructure trumps military spending...
 
> Trump
Don't say that!
 
lol
 
hhahaah
 
I think my favorite way of referring to him that I've heard recently is "The Screaming Yam"
 
Without military I doubt we'd have the Internet today
 
4:13 PM
@MoonOwl22 Without military we'd have very little that we do today.
 
@KendallFrey I agree
 
I feel that the military-industrial complex, while it nets us some cool stuff, wouldn't exist without proper education and training of intelligent minds to approach the military problem using technology.
so it's a chicken-and-egg problem
military gives us a reason to make new stuff, and education gives us the ability to do so
however, there are alternatives to both.
plenty of other reasons to invent new tech (see also: NASA) and plenty of other ways to learn (see also: Internet)
 
It's rare that the amount of money required to really innovate is furnished to the people doing the innovating
Lots of money in civilian research but it's sliced and diced in such a miserly way that it ends up too conservative and too risk-averse
 
@juanvan Thank you for pasting that code, after (way too long) pooring over it, I figured out that I should have been using a different xml descripter in my attributes. Where did you get that? Was it autogenerated somehow?
 
True, just like learning from the Internet isn't going to have the same impact in many cases as passing high school and going to college
they're not suitable replacements, they're alternatives
 
user47589
4:21 PM
whats the difference between a replacement and an alternative?
 
user47589
Alan Rickman has died.
 
user47589
what the hell kind of year have we gotten ourselves into?
 
69 is the new 27
how old is Donald Trump?
 
user47589
By Grabthar's Hammer, he shall be avenged.
 
!!google how old is donald trump
 
user47589
woot 69
 
^ that second response is why Trump is winning
 
guys what does the ** mean in $(build.artifactstagingdirectory)***.zip
whoops "$(build.artifactstagingdirectory)***.zip"
how do i escape code?
 
@Amy I seriously could have gone my whole life believing that Snape was still alive.
 
@Amy there's hope
 
user47589
4:29 PM
escape code by indenting it with 4 spaces or surrounding it with backticks
 
Actually I take that back, the article by the New Yorker pretty succinctly sums up why Trump is winning
 
user47589
its almost the same code formatting as on SO itself
 
he appeals to more than just the core Tea Party Republican demographic of (and I quote) "uneducated white males".
 
$(build.artifactstagingdirectory)\**\*.zip
does anyone know what the \ star star means
does that mean go up a directory
 
user47589
@FrankVisaggio, the ** means to go through all the folders and subfolders
 
4:30 PM
ok so find any zip
 
@ShotgunNinja I'm scared to ask, but who else does he appeal to? The man is pretty unappealing.
 
user47589
that line will get all zip files anywhere in the artifactstagingdirectory tree
 
great thanks
 
He has this facade of 'common sense' in that he says whatever nonsense comes into his head rather than spinning a web. To people unfamiliar with common sense, it looks like the real thing
 
thanks
 
4:33 PM
Well, the core group of Republican voters is the Tea Party, which is centered on rejectionist ideals.
Basically, they're pissed off at how stupid and ineffective the government is, and they want to cast off the extra weight and get back to a stronger, more forceful America.
It's a combination of nostalgia and anger.
 
I admire Republicans more than Democrats
Not the current candidates btw except for Ted Cruz
 
The only thing I admire about Republicans is their stubbornness
 
Honestly, there are arguements for limiting government, but the current republican party is doing it in all the wrong ways.
 
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I just never get it why republicans are always angry
 
4:36 PM
Limit the part where they give taxpayers' money to corporations to do nothing
 
Trump idealizes that without going into too much of the rhetoric; he's angry without being too anti-elitist, which draws much of the non-Tea Party Republican voters (primarily women and educated men) into his fold.
 
Just hear rush limbaugh for one hour
 
user47589
once Trump wins the primary, we will see a more moderate version of him.
 
Haha I used to listen to Rush on the radio
 
Honestly, the government does a lot to shaft the working middle class right now
 
4:36 PM
I think the Obama administration has done a remarkable job for the Democrats
 
user47589
i wish Obama would stop pushing the gun issues during an election year.
 
I wish there was a European socialist nation with decent weather
 
I respect Obama
 
@ShotgunNinja A lot because "campaign contributions" are legal
 
user47589
4:37 PM
wait until after the election. its not like anything is going to happen with respect to firearms
 
I don't respect Hillary Clinton
 
Bernie is going to be the next president
 
Look at a group which constitutes much of the Republican voting pool: Uneducated white males who work in farming, construction or manufacturing.
 
From what I saw on the news apparently she's got a bad history of deceit
 
Generally speaking, they like guns and using their muscles and hard work to get ahead
 
4:38 PM
But somehow liberal news outlets are throwing Bernie under the bus
 
When they hear that they have to go through restrictive gun control stuff and have their tax dollars levied for things that don't help them at all, and mostly affect city-dwellers and their crime/unemployment issues, they see it as the government using their hard work to help the lazy and weak.
unfortunately, most of America outside of big cities is composed of uneducated white males and their families.
combine that with the fact that uneducated white males are dramatically more willing to enter the military than any other group, and that the military has looked down on Democrats through the early 2000's for their "weak-handed" policies following 9/11, and you have yet another reason.
Remember that this group has been historically the most dominant in America until recently.
 
bernie gave out too many promises that even the liberals cannot afford or cannot make happen without pissing off their boss
 
This group is pissed at the government for forgetting about its country roots and focusing too much on city problems.
 
You know what I admire about Republicans? Those I saw speaking during the Republican debate all had non-political careers and where well achieved in those
You have a very successful real estate developer
You have the former CEO of HP
 
That's another thing to look at; much of the Republican candidates, despite being well-off, are going out of their way to say and do things which help the Tea Party.
 
4:43 PM
You have a very successful brain surgeon
 
@MoonOwl22 she arguably wasn't particularly good at being the CEO of HP
 
@mikeTheLiar Let's ignore that for now. The important thing is she wasn't kleptocratic
 
the part that gives me hope, even though I know we're probably getting a Republican president next, is that Trump's crazy posturing is just a face he's putting on to appeal to his followers, and that when he comes in he'll reveal just how smart he really is about running a country.
 
Is she the one partly responsible for ruining the quality of HP products?
 
I think honestly that Trump is running a crazy effective political campaign, and while I don't believe I'll vote for him (because I do, after all, live in a big city like the ones that Bernie is aiming to assist), I appreciate his raw power.
and I think, if anything, he'll be a part of a new wave to bust up cities a bit more and decentralize the distribution of wealth and jobs in the U.S.
 
4:48 PM
Trump has charisma
 
which is going to be a very bad thing for a while, but will result in possibly a very good thing later.
 
sup yall
 
talking politics
 
Good evening Codeman
 
for some reason, I'm defending Trump's campaign strategies
 
4:49 PM
I walk in on everybody talking politics, jesus
 
sorry brah
 
@ShotgunNinja he's great at optics, terrible at policy...
 
but remember, this is campaign season
the whole point is to get the biggest group of followers possible
 
mmyup
he's doing what needs to be done to win, that's all he cares about
 
What's your take on Ted Cruz
 
4:50 PM
right now, I believe that Republicans have the bigger group, and he's doing the best job of covering it
 
if you have to run such a crazy campaign to be president, then it's not that close to end of america
 
he's a shill, just like the rest of them
 
There's something more honest in the way Republicans present themselves
 
the fact that craziness win will only invoke more craziness
 
My visibility of Ted Cruz is colored by liberal jabs against his intelligence regarding science
which might be a deliberate attempt to appeal to the Tea Party group as well, if horribly misguided
 
4:52 PM
Let me educate myself on the Tea Party
 
The Tea Party movement is an American political movement known for its conservative positions and its role in the Republican Party. Members of the movement have called for a reduction of the U.S. national debt and federal budget deficit by reducing government spending, and for lower taxes. The movement opposes government-sponsored universal healthcare and has been described as a mixture of libertarian, populist, and conservative activists. It has sponsored multiple protests and supported various political candidates since 2009. Various polls have found that slightly over 10% of Americans identify...
it's the fringe of "we're pissed off that the government is taxing us so much and we're not seeing any of that come back into our communities"
 
which basically is nonsense
 
it's reasonable
 
first of all, US income tax is well below all developed countries
 
@MoonOwl22 what's reasonable? The Tea Party?
 
4:54 PM
@tweray it's not really nonsense, they just don't understand reality
 
yeah, but the average Tea Partyer is non-college educated, white, male, and either lower-class or impoverished.
 
you can be a reasonable person and make insane conclusions if you work from a flawed premise
 
The hilarious thing is I just got my w2 in my grubby little hands. I'm solidly in lower middle based on my income, and only about 15% of my income. I can't imagine lower incomes getting taxed to a higher degree.
 
1 min ago, by Shotgun Ninja
it's the fringe of "we're pissed off that the government is taxing us so much and we're not seeing any of that come back into our communities"
 
The also completely fail to recognize just how much they get for those taxes
 
4:55 PM
Their reality is that they have to work hard for a living and have the misguided expectation that the government shouldn't be taking their hard-earned money away from them.
 
tax is painful
 
we don't want to provide privilege because ppl are uneducated. they can gain them by getting educated
 
they bitch and moan about paying taxes, then happily drive on roads, call the police, etc. etc.
 
Ah I see
 
And they get educated in schools paid for in taxes!
 
4:56 PM
The vast majority of these people are farmers, factory workers, and other manual laborers
 
Farmers get huge subsidies from the government
 
Working class men?
 
they consider themselves to be what America was built upon, and they long for the "good old days"
 
people who believe we should privatize things like fire departments should look up Marcus Licinius Crassus
 
it's horribly misguided, but then again so is our expectation that simply telling them they're wrong will change their minds.
It's a systemic belief among Farm Belt and Rust Belt communities
The right thinks they're right, and the left wonders why they still do.
 
4:58 PM
o/
 
Everyone speaks of the good old days of America but pointing to different periods in time. What were the good old days for you?
 
@Codeman lol yeah right
nobody complains about the cheap food at the grocery stores
 
For me? Let me preface this by saying that I'm moderate to heavy liberal
 
this conversation is stressing me out. Can we not talk about politics here please?
 
because of the highway systems
 
4:58 PM
at least for a bit
 
sure, @codeman
sorry for the stress
 
Let's talk about graphs and trees! /s
 
I mean, I'm not gonna stop you :P but it's really upsetting to me how politics in the US is going at the moment
 
omfg that topic is still alive?
 
@mikeTheLiar MOAR GRAPHS, HANDLE IT
 
user47589
4:59 PM
GRAPHS TO MAXIMUM
 
I admire US politics
 
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE GRAPHS
 
It's not violent
 

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