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8:00 PM
@JLott We had someone try and pull the "You should help me with my ill-defined coding problems b/c ima girl!" yesterday
 
me
that was me. :(
 
@SomeKittens Really??? AHHAHAHHA!
 
Congrats, @kaser. You've got the top message in the sidebar.
 
hahaha
 
in JavaScript, 22 hours ago, by kaser
omg, stahp. I'm leaving. u guys are so mean.
 
8:00 PM
@JLott mostly we just question whether or not they really are female devs or dudes who think they can answer whore but putting a pretty girl and their gravatar.
 
pin and 12 stars
 
Y'all are are making me want to go..
 
i think JLott should create her own room called "meet a real life girl"
 
guarantee most populated room on SO
 
8:01 PM
@rlemon - Which can be a legitimate concern.
 
I feel like Dewey Cox right now
 
hmm
 
@TravisJ then we make fun of those who jump to help
 
how old are you again? i got a racy comment to make
 
I kinda wanna try me some of that shit
 
8:01 PM
@JLott protip: see @jAndy and turn the other way.
 
@ton.yeung The movie Walk Hard
 
@ton.yeung youre thinking of Wet Cox, not Dewy Cox
 
in JavaScript, 23 hours ago, by kaser
please teach me to be an ass *
WOW
 
@JeffBorden Ah, I've just dealt with a finite set of subdomains, each pointing to different Azure web services
 
8:02 PM
@Kendall Frey Ur like a kitty compared to those guys. They're like lions.
 
@drch Wow.
 
?
 
I am one of them, you know. :P
 
YO what's the different in VS between "Build Solution" and "Rebuild Solution"
 
@akowalz 'rebuild' does a clean first
ie, deletes existing compiled output
 
8:04 PM
@drch Ohhh. Cool. thanks. My mentor didn't know...
 
@akowalz Rebuild == Clean + Build
@akowalz Get a new mentor
 
Those people in there are weak
@KendallFrey HA.
 
@KendallFrey he's more just the developer who sits next to me, who's not an intern lol.
 
8:04 PM
Teach him something today!
 
reading the comment chain this is true..
ugh.
 
@JLott Girl presence is a natural weakening agent. We've built an immunity here in the C# room.
 
@JLott - All the strength comes from C# :P
 
@JoshD. Stop kidding yourself.
 
in JavaScript, 23 hours ago, by PeeHaa
@kaser is only 17 rep away from not being able to talk in here ;)
 
8:06 PM
Poor @kaser...
 
@drch Omg, I'm recalling the whole conversation right now. :(
 
@KendallFrey I'm actually completely immune to girl presence, save being mostly chivalrous.
 
So kaser trolled js and now is here trolling us.
I am seeing a pattern.
 
wut?
I asked them for help.
 
the 2 things i like least about girls in places like this are 1) the 'zomg its a girl' stereotyped behavior of nerds and 2) them actually behaving that way.
 
8:07 PM
@Pyitoechito If you're saying you're immune to a girl then you probably aren't.
They don't require vaccination...
 
@drch I think you and I are the only ones immune to "omg it's a girl" behavior. Maybe @TravisJ :P
 
one of them was stalking me when I tried to go to the other chat rooms
 
@drch Agreed lol
 
Hmm, a "Violation of PRIMARY KEY constraint" happened when calling a stored proc on an Azure SQL DB, but the stored procedure never touches that column. It inserts into the table, but leaves the PK value alone since it's IDENTITY and auto-incremented and shit.
 
@Pheonixblade9 @JohanLarsson as well
 
8:08 PM
true dat, he just DGAF
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Not immune. Just used to being around one all the time.
 
There is no logical way this error could be happening. It's going to be one of those days...
 
@TravisJ well... you don't constantly talk about titties, at least
 
@Mike is there a trigger?
 
@Mike You are probably missing something
 
8:08 PM
@Pheonixblade9 - Nah, that doesn't seem very classy.
 
@drch what? Not paying attention
 
@kaser Oh, YOU again
 
@JohanLarsson precisement
 
@Mike There are 2 steps to debugging. 1. There is no way this could be happening. 2. This will obviously happen.
 
lol Kendall
 
8:09 PM
@akowalz girl presence, not girls. (Joke failing. abort abort abort)
 
man i was supposed to go home 2 hours ago :/
 
sigh
 
wtf dude
 
@Steve - overtime haha
 
@Bracketworks omg, no. go away!
 
8:09 PM
@Pyitoechito lolol.
 
you would have thought that people would have figured out that an anemic domain model is bad
Anemic domain model is the use of a software domain model where the domain objects contain little or no business logic (validations, calculations, business rules etc). Overview This pattern was first described by Martin Fowler, who considers the practice an anti-pattern. He says: In an anemic domain design, business logic is typically implemented in separate classes which transform the state of the domain objects. Fowler calls such external classes transaction scripts. This pattern is a common approach in Java applications, possibly encouraged by technologies such as early versions of ...
 
I still have 2 hours..
 
fuck martin fowler
 
@JLott So I got that edit column up and working! And can edit the field, but I never associated a method with the editting, any chance you know how to do that?
 
we're pushing something to production tomorrow and i found a bug they didn't find yet :/, i hardly know what i'm doing and I'm just poking it with a stick until it does .... anything besides error? lol
 
8:10 PM
@akowalz - OnChange?
 
oh, and its nothing that i broke either
 
PS - Steve broke it?
 
@Steve Uh-huh. Sure.
 
@Steve touched it last! sucker!
 
@drch lol i know, thats how i feel
 
8:11 PM
//Code breaks right below this line
//Note: I totally did not break the code at all
//So don't blame Steve
 
@TravisJ OnChange doesn't seem to be an event. I'm using a Telerik RadGrid FYI
 
dude, this application is such a piece of shit, its like pounding a nail in the bathroom wall and your garage door falls off
4
 
@akowalz OnPropertyChange?
 
As long as you don't press save, they'll never know... right?
 
does visual studios run on ubuntu?
 
8:12 PM
No.
 
LOL
 
no
 
lol
 
kkk
 
MonoDevelop is what you want.
 
8:13 PM
@JLott It might just be OnUpdating()
 
omg, why are u guys laughing?
 
It's like VS, but for Mono, which is like .NET, but for Linux.
 
& Mono is an enormous pain in the arse...
 
oh, alright
 
why is it called mono
 
8:14 PM
i was laughing at @JoshD. 's comment
 
because when you install it you are sick for a month
 
@kaser VS is SUPER M$, it's like as Mircosoft as you can get. So no, there's no Linux version
 
OSX? That isn't linux.
 
@drch because Miguel de Icaza likes monkies
 
@TravisJ zing!
 
8:14 PM
Or Ubuntu
 
@Stev sure...
 
@TravisJ mistake, editted
 
:p
 
@akowalz Probably. I am basically helping you research right now lol.
 
@JLott Ye that was the idea =D. But really, I'm just being lazy, feel free to not help me at all. I should really be looking into this more myself before I ask.
 
8:16 PM
@akowalz It's cool. I am tired of banging my head on the wall with my work anyways.
 
who says M$ these days
i thought that stopped after the antitrust
@ton.yeung BSD, no?
 
@akowalz -
protected void YourField_ValueChanged(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
how about that
 
@ton.yeung It's a Unix derivative. So is Ubuntu, Linux is just the OS kernel
 
@ton.yeung Unix
 
@ton.yeung - that is actually a good point.
 
8:18 PM
I say MSFT. Apparently it makes me look like an elitist asshole.
 
No, I think it's our company network
 
this day and age, licenses are more socialist than anything
the companies that need it can afford it
 
Maybe it was a one-day glitch
Nope, websokets are not working
 
@akowalz linux != unix
linux is not derived from unix
and contains no unix code
this was proven in a court of law
 
@Pheonixblade9 only if you mentioned all companies by their trading abbreviation
that would be ultra douchey
 
8:19 PM
at least 5 times because SCO won't give up
 
@Mgetz Linux is a Unix OS
 
no linux is a POSIX os
 
@Mgetz It's Unix based, even if it doesn't have the same code.
 
not unix
unless it is derived from the System V code base it is not Unix
 
Unix-like, to be technical
 
8:20 PM
thank you
 
its a port mofo
 
that is correct
it's not a port
 
Hang on guys, I had a nice graph of this earlier
 
it is a completely independent OS that implements POSIX
just like windows does
 
BAM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg
 
8:21 PM
Windows is POSIX???
 
is there a good away to put images in chat?
 
Yes, just paste the link
> Cygwin provides a largely POSIX-compliant development and run-time environment for Microsoft Windows.
 
@akowalz did you notice the part where Linux isn't actually in the tree? it's to the side
 
Cygwin is POSIX, not Windows
 
nice try
 
8:22 PM
I wanna drop windows and run work completely on ubuntu
@ton.yeung
 
l2php
 
@KendallFrey Windows Subsystem for Unix
 
@Mgetz yea, that makes sense. It's still a Unix-like operating system. Calling it a "derivative" was a little much I guess, but people still say it's "Unix-based"
 
@kaser I do too, but unfortunately, I work with Windows programs at work
 
@akowalz the reason I'm making such a big deal is because of SCO
 
8:23 PM
@Mgetz What's that?
 
they tried to extort people for millions because of that belief
 
@ton.yeung yeah, I know, but it significantly slows down my work output.
 
SCO, The SCO Group, The TSG Group, Caldera Systems, and Caldera International are the various names of an American software company that became known for acquiring the Santa Cruz Operation's Server Software and Services divisions, and UnixWare and OpenServer technologies, and then pursuing a series of legal battles known as the SCO-Linux controversies. The company was part of the Canopy Group, but became independent in March 2005, after the settlement of a lawsuit between the Noorda family and a chairman of the group, Ralph Yarro, also former CEO of the Canopy Group. As part of the se...
The SCO–Linux controversies are a series of legal and public disputes between the software company SCO Group (SCO) and various Linux vendors and users. The SCO Group alleges that its license agreements with IBM means that source code that IBM wrote and donated to be incorporated into Linux was added in violation of SCO's contractual rights. Members of the Linux community disagree with SCO's claims; IBM, Novell and Red Hat have ongoing claims against SCO. On August 10, 2007 a federal district court judge in SCO v. Novell ruled on summary judgment that Novell, not the SCO Group, is the ri...
 
I think it's amazing that in today's world where you pay thousands of dollars for a software system, you can get something as complex as an operating system for free.
 
@Kendall Frey Ikr. Who needs windows? ewwwwww.
 
8:26 PM
@Mgetz Ohh, interesting. Ok, well now I know! Speaking of subtleties, isn't Linux not even an OS, as Unix is, it's just the kernel? Whereas Ubuntu (for example) is the OS?
 
@drch I mention a few of them
 
@akowalz That's true.
 
@akowalz technically yes
 
Keep in mind things like LFS.
 
hence the term GNU/Linux
 
8:27 PM
a ha!
 
In a word, COM. Every other system you work with requires you to do a bunch of roll your own work that costs a lot of time.
 
So while Linux is not technically an OS, it's 99% of one.
 
basically
 
@TravisJ ?
 
@TravisJ the idea behind COM is indeed awesome... but pray tell?
 
8:30 PM
@Kendall - php, ruby, java, all require a lot of work to recreate libraries that c# come with because they are available from the System namespace's class library.
Microsoft COM (Component Object Model) technology in the Microsoft Windows-family of Operating Systems enables software components to communicate.
You will not find it on anything not running an MS operating system.
 
is it possible to force a postback whenever I type in a textbox?
 
@kaser yes but dont
 
oh please don't do that
 
why not?
 
@kaser imagine if this chat did that
 
8:33 PM
it will be slow and use too many resources
 
@TravisJ not necessarily, part of the reason that .NET has that is yes COM but it was also because .NET was intended to fully replace COM. At the same time go take a look at how small the BCL was in 1.0... it was smaller than java.
 
oh ok
 
@kaser because you will destroy your server in a hail of ajax
 
@kaser you could do an ajax request on keyup
ie, say youre verifying a username is valid
 
@Mgetz - .net works in tandem with COM.
@drch - is this a webforms project?
 
8:35 PM
fine then, I'll learn ajax. ughhhh
 
@TravisJ sort of, it was originally codenamed COM2
 
I thought ajax was just a cool bin of fun toys. Like ModalPopupExtender
 
oh yeah, you told me that
but isn't it possible to call a function from server side
?
 
AJAX is more of a methodology. Jquery is a toolset that includes the means to implement the client side logic for that methodology
 
@kaser a javascript function?
@kaser you should look into websockets because it seems that you are talking about having the server push data to the client. that isn't trivial.
 
8:37 PM
Funny thing is AJAX is rarely used with XML anymore, and isntead usually with HTML fragments or JSON, even though the X stands for XML
But hat's being pendantic
 
signalr is pretty sweet
 
@tony.yeung ok, so I'm calculating the average and outputing it in a textbox. I have two textboxes to calculate the average. When I type in the integer in the 2nd textbox, the average textbox should update and calculate the average.
 
Sounds like homework haha
why do you need this done server side?
 
Well I went to the JS room
 
@JLott - Survivor! :)
 
8:40 PM
@AaronLS It does the Jquery so I don't have to.
 
They were not mean lol
I even tried to make them mean
Damn boobs... can't even get a good sexist comment these days.
 
@TravisJ I'm using the ajax toolbox to do oit
 
if you want easy mean just post a question to the Lounge<C++> room
 
@JLott - They get a bad rap. There are some people in there (florian, rlemon) who have really helped me a lot with understanding some concepts in the past.
 
@TravisJ Yeah we just talked about vidja games
 
8:41 PM
@JLott what are you doing programming? You should be in the kitchen, making sandwiches and getting pregnant! ...how was that?
 
@ton.yeung There we go :)
Much better. I was getting worried for a minute there.
 
@tony.yeung I need to do it automatically without the button click. I'm following a DMS app and translating it into a web page.
 
I thought guys were actually starting to treat women with respect. Whhhewww Forehead wipe
 
@kaser you can access the textbox attributes from server-side. Either use a button with an OnClick event or have an OnTextChanged event for the textboxes. OnTextChanged will fire when the textbox loses focus and you have AutoPostBack="true" on said TextBox.
 
@JLott I can't do sexist jokes with you... I haven't run out of redneck jokes yet
 
8:43 PM
@Mgetz Touche @Mgetz Touche
 
@JLott I'm actually used to it with the guys in my class.
 
@kaser What?
 
@JLott especially the guys in engineering
 
@kaser Again... what?
 
fuk, I have been saying ton this whole time
 
8:44 PM
Me too lol
 
@JLott Oh, nothing nvm.
 
@ton.yeung what does it rhyme with?
 
I was thinking tawn
 
@kaser Are you a female? You lie.
 
lies
 
8:45 PM
There can be only one!
 
@JLott noooooo
 
@JLott we are not getting into a rules of the internet argument.... if we do you don't exist either
 
@ton.yeung oh really? Hmm. I knew an Asian guy named Ton and he pronounced it tahn, like rhyming with "gone". I think his was short with anothy though
 
@Jlott It's a joke. They pick on me a lot.
@Jlott I know they're kidding.
 
@Mgetz I am that rare exception.
 
8:47 PM
I thought @JLott was the only woman on the internet not taking her clothes off for money
 
Dang, so what are we going to do with all this money?
 
@CharlieBrown I am. I am fairly sure we can prove this.
 
@ton.yeung or an audi...
@ton.yeung it's a top gear joke
all the cocks drive audis
 
@ton.yeung I don't think I can use jquery or I haven't used it.
 
@kaser you mean you haven't learned it? It's pretty easy to pick up, easier than a picking up a language
 
8:50 PM
I hate when people walk into my office and try to make small talk with me.
I have to pretend like I am working
 
@ton.yeung I already made so many pages with the ajax toolkit.
 
@JLott you have an office...
 
@JLott aren't you an intern?
 
@ton.yeung Exactly
@Mgetz Yes
@akowalz Yes
@ton.yeung I am loved :P
 
dang... I've been doing it wrong
 
8:52 PM
@ton.yeung hahaha
Hey what do you guys think would win in a fight, a shark with bears for arms, or a bear with sharks for arms?
 
Getting a `Server tag is not well formed.` for my LinqDataSource's Select attribute:
Select="new(UserID, String.Concat(AppUser.FirstName + " " + AppUser.LastName) As Name)". Any ideas?
 
Ok, I guess I'll use a button then. on_text_changed isn't working.
 
@kaser It wont change when a character is typed, just when it loses focus. The TextBox also needs AutoPostBack="true"
 
@Josh D. wut do you mean lose focus? When I click somewhere else?
 
@kaser Yes
Pressing tab would also cause it to lose focus, as tab will set the focus to the next element.
 
8:59 PM
@JoshD. its the quotes
 
@CharlieBrown There we go. Thanks!
 
@Josh D. Ok, Ill try it. :)
 
@ton.yeung ahhh that's the important question isn't it. I think water is a more even playing field. You could also just put them in space
 
bera
*bear
 
@CharlieBrown Why?
 
9:04 PM
Well, if were even talking about this, lets assume they can both breathe in space and water
 
@ton.yeung bears are great swimmers! What if it was a polar bear. i think in the water the bear would win, because he has 2 sharks, whereas the shark only has 1.
 
I have a headache :(
 
I agree with chalie about being able to breath in Space, obviously they can do that
@JLott talk about sharks and bears with us it'll help
 
The two sharks make great gauntlets, with fins as defensive / close encounter weapons
 
Or murder my so workers
 
9:05 PM
S.O. workers... NOT US!
 
JEEZE JLOTT WHAT'D WE DO?!
@ton.yeung oh cool cool I'll get in on the joke
 
on pure swimming ability alone, having two shark hands with tails could be faster than one shark tail
 
@CharlieBrown well I mean that depends on how much of the shark actually constitutes the bear's arms. I don't know if there would be room for tail fins...
 
alright I'll let you guys hash this out, I'm going home for the day. =D =D =D!
peace ya'll
i was just trying to kill 10 minutes before I went home @ton.yeung lol
 
9:17 PM
Ok, I dont get it. Why doesn't the html button issue postback like the ajax button?
 
@kaser how do you suppose your page knows it was a postback?
on a linkbutton click for example
 
well I'm client debugging right now and it doesn't restart the script
@drch
 
@kaser do you have <button> or <asp:Button>
 
@Ch well, I'm testing both right now.
 
The first likely wont work for you
 
9:24 PM
I'm trying to fill a LinqDataSource from the Selecting event, but if I use a using statement for the datacontext it'll tell me I can't access disposed object. Is it because of the lazy loads?
 
yes
The proxy for the navigation properties gets disposed as well, so it doesnt know how to retrieve them anymore
 
So it won't work even if I set DataLoadOptions to force eager loading?
 
@Ch ok.
 
r u using like dlo.LoadWith<Type>?
 
I haven't used any DataLoadOptions yes, guess I'll give it a shot first.
 
9:27 PM
ok
dlo.LoadWith<Fantasy>(f => f.Unicorns)
 
Nerp, it didn't work
 
r u still doing this from one of those crazy asp controls on the page?
 
By crazy do you mean a GridView?
 
omg, it finally worked. Yay!! Thanks guys, you've been very helpful. Here's a happy gif. 25.media.tumblr.com/dafaed6fb26feaa4bedf2086dec70f43/…
 
<asp:LinqDataSource>
 
9:32 PM
 
It's a GridView with a DataSourceID tied to a LinqDataSource. This code is in the Selecting event
just <asp:LinqDataSource>
 
How are you doing a dispose on that puppy?
 
Nerp
 
*Using statement
 
Yerp
        using (DataContext db = new DataContext())
        {
            DataLoadOptions dlo = new DataLoadOptions();
            dlo.LoadWith<AppUserPos>(x => x.AppUser);
            dlo.LoadWith<AppUserPos>(x => x.Position);
            db.LoadOptions = dlo;

            e.Result = (from x in db.AppUserPos
                        where x.Position.ProgModelID == pmId
                        orderby x.AppUser.LastName, x.AppUser.FirstName
                        select new
                        {
 
9:34 PM
Whats the code for that look like?
try changing Distinct() to Distinct().ToList()
 
Now to fix the other errors
 
Distinct() doesnt actually run until you iterate it, calling ToList() forces it to evaluate
 
Is it possible to enable my ajax textbox with clientside code?
or disable?
 
9:50 PM
<script>
document.getElementById("inputID").setAttribute("disabled","disabled");
</script>
 
oh, i see
 
I get nervous by all strings in web
 

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