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10:00 AM
Morning @Maverik
 
how are we doing this fine morning :)
 
Wonderfully! Yourself?
 
Hi @Maverik!
 
threatening to beat with airbook - definitely sounds good!
hey @ActionHank
 
Tired, but it was worth it!
 
10:00 AM
aaa I feel high I think
 
That's always a good thing
 
my body has decided to align itself oddly sleeping between 9pm - 1am
 
high? On what?
 
@rudi_visser well, Java isn't that bad. Aside from that it's slow and the vocabulary is too Hipster and that there is really no good IDE (IMHO) for it.
 
i'm not quite sure how to put it. Its not a bad feeling for sure :)
and its not the zombie feeling that you get from sleep deprivation
 
10:02 AM
@SteffenWinkler .. and it's memory usage :(
@SteffenWinkler and you can't rly expect a good IDE for it, it's Open Source :D
 
Are you in that state where you're tired and everything is a bit fuzzy round the edges but you don't really care?
 
i think that would be fairly accurate!
 
@rudi_visser oh your Open Source bashing is bad (but in this case I can'T say anything against it...there is just no IDE that is nearly as good as VisualStudio)
 
@SteffenWinkler Have you tried Eclipse?
 
but since i had a red bull at 3am - i'm not feeling tired yet
 
10:02 AM
@Sean GET OUT
 
@Maverik I know exactly what you mean
 
and i have a relentless to top up now
 
@Sean yeah...that thing needs far too much work to be useful last time I checked
 
@rudi_visser NO U
 
@SteffenWinkler I'm not so much against Open Source, it's just that nothing good is to come out of it yet
 
10:03 AM
@SteffenWinkler Whaaaat?
 
@Sean Eclipse is a giant Java bag of wank
 
I last used Eclipse over a year ago and it worked fine
 
:)
 
The only good Java product I've managed to use is PhpStorm
 
@Sean the best Java IDE (IMHO) is NetBeans
 
10:03 AM
I can imagine IntelliJ IDEA being a good IDE since PhpStorm is based off the same platform
 
@SteffenWinkler puke noise
 
why can't we teach VS java ?
 
@Maverik cos VS only works with good languages
@Sean NetBeans > Eclipse in every way* Disclaimer: This doesn't make it good
 
aaa that makes sense
 
hey maverik, fancy some early morning excel vba? :)
 
10:04 AM
@rudi_visser No NetBeans is wank
 
NO!
 
YES!
 
You have long hair whaddayou know
 
early morning? its been .. lets see.. i can't count but many hours for sure :D
but shoot :P
but i promised myself i shall write some code today (that i've been trying to write since monday!)
 
Eclipse is better than NetBeans by miles, they're both completely different to VS but Eclipse gives me less ehadache
 
10:05 AM
so i'm not gonna stick around for too long :)
 
Eclipse uses about 12GB of RAM just to start up
 
That is a lie =P
 
@rudi_visser as for your Mac problem: If you haven't done it already, check out MoMa it's a compatibility checker for .NET programs
 
you guys are evil. space-time blackhole even
 
Actually that just makes it a Java app, not Eclipse, so I'll let you off
 
10:06 AM
ok, cool, thanks :)
if you can remember back to my excel sheet naming and cell entering thing
 
@SteffenWinkler Well, the app is written in WPF and uses interop a lot (it pins itself up top as an 'AppBar' to reserve screenspace), takes screenshots etc, uses AVI stitching, plugin architecture to download new capabilities
 
yea
 
So yeah, it's probably gonna be a full rewrite unfortunately :(
 
i have in column A, a list of names, which are matched by the names of the sheets in the rest of thetab
*workbook
 
@rudi_visser oh...well...in that case, have fun with rewriting that whole thing :/
 
10:07 AM
in each of those worksheets, there is a table of values, one of the columns in there has a date
 
Yep, can't wait :(
 
each table has a variable length
 
To be fair I'm probably gonna end up just rewriting it all in GTK# and sharing the codebase as horrible as that is... God bless #if WINDOWS
 
#if WINDOWS
JumpOutOfWindow();
#if MAC
ShootSelfInHeadAndJumpOutOfWindow();
 
???????????????????????????????????
#if WINDOWS ReserveScreenSpace(); #endif
Not possible to reserve screen space on OSX afaik
 
10:09 AM
aww
u removed the charm!
 
Yeah it looked weird on the end of the code block
 
i want to be able to enter intothe cover sheet, the time period covered by the dates
for each value in column A
 
@Cylen join the room :P
 
@rudi_visser another bad thing about the whole mono/.NET stuff: You know dbml (Linq2SQL)? Yeah...have fun working with MySQL databases or MariaDB...sometimes I really hate Microsoft for not being more open about that kind of stuff
 
@SteffenWinkler Yeah screw that, I can assure you I'd be passing on any super complex app cross-platform, at least in C#
Well not even super complex app, but one that has explicit requirements
 
10:13 AM
Awww Kyle left me a birthday message
 
How nice
 
Indeed
16 hours ago, by Kyle Trauberman
@Sean Happy Birthday! You're at least 3 days older/362 days younger than me.
I wanna know which way it is
 
I thought he was like 28?
 
@rudi_visser well I've written some cross-platform database applications before. It's kind of easy as long as you go with WinForms and 'normal' SQL statements. But a few months ago I 'detected' Linq2SQL and ever since was in 'awww' mode. A few days ago I tried to get it to work with a MySQL database...it works but..gaaah, it's way harder than it should be
 
and you're about 12?
@SteffenWinkler I can understand that pain, EF is beautiful @ Win <3
 
10:14 AM
Yeah I thought he was older
lol @ google
 
EF is ass
 
@Sean
location Phoenix, AZ
age 28
 
Number 1 search: Whitney Houston
Number 2 search: Gangnam Style
 
@rudi_visser (the fun thing is, that you just admitted that you are in love with an OpenSource tool...dbml -> db metal -> open source HA!)
 
People like crackheads and koreans in bathtubs this year
 
10:15 AM
mono/.net dbml -> mysql -> bltoolkit.net
 
@rudi_visser He's well old
 
and it is opensource
 
@SteffenWinkler Yep the whole Entity Framework is open source, but it's Microsoft tech (Not DBML) so technically I'm classing that as being commercial :D
@Sean I know right
 
@DavidDV that thing supports LINQ2SQL?
 
I'm classing EF as a big leaky abastraction
 
10:17 AM
@rudi_visser Speaking of old, my auntie got me a card that said "You're 21, that's 5 years since you were 16... 3 since you were 18..." And then inside it said "And only 9 until you're 30!"
 
@SteffenWinkler Bltoolkit is like Linq2Sql, only better
 
Slightly depressing xD
 
hahah
 
@DavidDV yeah, looked at it just now and just saw that it supports multiple databases but wasn't sure about that Linq2SQL/DBML designer being part of it/usable
 
Fuck that, I'm skipping my 30th birthday
 
10:18 AM
imagines a @Sean crying. Not of joy, but of 'OMG I'm nearly 30'
 
@DavidDV the designer is useable, yes?
 
I will retire before 30
I've decided
 
I thought u could use the files generated by Linq2Sql
 
@ActionHank OMG I'M NEARLY THIRTY BOOOOHOOOOHOOOHOOOO!!!! ='[
 
@rudi_visser how many years you still have?
 
10:19 AM
Then again I don't use a designer for DB stuff
 
@ActionHank 8
 
@rudi_visser Good luck with that
 
@Sean Thx
Should be easy enough
 
@Sean me too, poor us!
 
@DavidDV well in VisualStudio you've a designer to generate those dbml files, problem is that thing connects only to MSSQL databases
 
10:20 AM
 
do you really need a designer btw?
you can also use T4 templates do the generation
 
@rudi_visser they don't have a designer for that. There is a plug-in but it was abandoned years ago
 
I need a drink, come to papa coffee machine
 
designers are for ppl doing access development
 
@rudi_visser when I was your age I wanted to retire before 30. But then I made the mistake of spending all my money
 
10:20 AM
or lightswitch
 
@SteffenWinkler But surely you could use VS designer and copy over the DBMX/T4?
 
@SteffenWinkler presumably the reason it only works on certain DBs is because of proprietary extensions?
 
@DavidDV I learned about that stuff a few months ago, I didn't know there is another way
@rudi_visser sure
 
@ActionHank I've spent all of my money but now there's nothing left that I want, so now I don't lose any money any more
 
SQL is SQL - apart from all the stuff that isn't. Most DBs should understand SELECT, WHERE and JOIN, you know?
 
10:21 AM
@TomW well, I don't really know...Visual Studio just says that, for example, MySQL is not a supported DB (or something like that) even if I add the driver as a reference
 
ah.
well, that's lame
 
@rudi_visser I envy you. For either owning cool stuff, or not wanting stuff in the first place (thus no money-losing)
 
hi
 
Linq2SQL is gay old unsupported
 
what's a common indicator for timeouts?
 
10:22 AM
@ActionHank Well no I just spent £13k in the past 3 months on shit that I like, new car new apt new laptop new phones etc etc :D
 
@rudi_visser you are the 1% ;)
 
wow
ballin' you are
 
@rudi_visser why? It's easier to read than SQL statements. For someone who knows SQL it's much easier to write a SQL statement (what I do most of the time) but other people don't neccessary understand what a INNER JOIN is (no joke)
 
those are the options in blt, but I just define my tables in code with attributes
 
10:23 AM
@rudi_visser also it's just much easier to use than NHibernate
 
@SteffenWinkler No but the point is that LINQ2SQL is just a layer, EF has the same LINQ functionality just further abstracted
@SteffenWinkler I used LINQ2SQL whilst it was supported, then migrated to EF
 
EF is too abstracted
 
@TomW @ActionHank No I just got excited and bought shit :D Now I can't think of anything else to buy :(
 
@rudi_visser gonna have some web searching to do about that EF stuff...I heared it a few times already but didn't thought about it.
 
@DavidDV too abstracted?
 
10:24 AM
Aah, that's a point. I'd forgotten there was a distinction - I guess EF defines its own LINQ provider
 
lazy loading + entity tracking => you have to know what you are doing
otherwise performance will be crap
N+1 selects and such
 
@SteffenWinkler Put it this way, it's mostly the same
 
and if MySQL doesn't - erm, whose fault is that. Y U NO WRITE LINQ PROVIDER MYSQL
 
@rudi_visser I had that when I got my R32 Skyline at 24
 
@DavidDV well, anyway thanks for the bltoolkit.net!
 
10:25 AM
'now there's nothing else I want'
 
MySql Linq-Provider -> bltoolkit.net
it supports enum-mapping for 2 years now
unlike EF :p
 
@ActionHank Exactly! But this is my 4th car and so for 3 years I'm done with stuff I want :D
That = 3 years of saving = lots and lots of monies
Unless I start paying tax, then I won't have many monies
 
(y)
 
@rudi_visser yes....saving...
 
@TomW Less saving more "accumulating"
 
10:26 AM
...why are you not paying tax now?
Do you work for google?
 
Or Amazon?
 
Google wouldn't use C# you guys!
 
Or [insert large US company name here]
 
No I do pay tax but I mean personal tax
 
Tax on your body?
 
10:27 AM
Hi all
 
I mean I do pay personal tax but all of the other monies are in my business and my accountant offsets expenses to make everything purdy
 
@Sean Hai
 
@Sean Damn you've seen me I'd be broke if they started taxing looks this good
 
Ah. You're one of Those People.
 
buying your car as a business investment, are you
 
10:27 AM
@rudi_visser LOL
 
@TomW It's nothing dodgy, just expenses on comp equipment etc
 
@TomW Give him the evil eye. He deserves it.
@rudi_visser "It's nothing dodgy, just shipping millions of pounds into overseas bank accounts."
 
@ActionHank Nope the car's actually a personal one, just arranged it via the Corporate Manager @ Merc to get it cheaper :D
@Sean I wish :D
 
@Raffishaik Err, hi =]
 
For those not in the UK, there has been a recent shitstorm about the fact that for a multinational corporation with available foreign subisidiaries, paying corporation tax is effectively optional.
 
10:28 AM
Hello again @Raffishaik!
 
Yay I am back! Got suspended for saying 'FK linux' haha
 
@JamieTownsend hahaha are you serious
 
@rudi_visser Do I know this person? I feel like I should
 
That will be all the C++ prodigies if it got flagged and they said "Yes this is offensive"
 
10:29 AM
@rudi_visser Cya in half an hour!
 
They can suck me :)
 
Hello All, I've got a question :), I just edited maybe like 50 files outside of visual studio with a script. Now when I look in visual studio I see all these files still checked in. Is there any way for visual studio/TFS to automatically detect what files are changed and check them out?
 
@Sean No he said hi earlier and nobody said it back so he wants attention now
 
We... we need to talk @rudi_visser
 
Then Starbucks started a bandwagon of multinational corporations saying "Well we'll pay some more tax" - for that read "We don't want to enrage our customers".
This made the government mad.
 
10:29 AM
@ActionHank Why :(
 
not that talk
 
@Sean They can't say it's offensive now! I'm praising their prodigy
@ActionHank Oh right I was looking forward to hearing more about the birds and bees
 
@TomW Did they get mad? Last I heard Starbucks were trying to say sorry and backtrack like when you make a stupid statement in an argument not expecting the other person to know what you're talking about and they bust you.
@rudi_visser Hahaha one of these days you are gonna get sooo banned xD
 
@Sean Someone in the Exchequer, Danny Alexander I think, was like "Erm, no. You don't get to decide. When we've decided what to do with you, you'll get a letter"
 
@Sean That wouldn't surprise me :D
 
10:32 AM
@TomW Ah right I see
 
Totally not what he said, but the meaning is about right
 
Well that makes a change....
Maybe they're doing it cos everyone is so pissed off or we actually have someone decent in there
 
Probably all talk to keep up appearances
 
Yeah, probably
 
Damnit I hate not realising that my music stopped
 
10:33 AM
I think corporations taking liberties make Tories angry, because they already do their best to throw them a bone. When a posh boy throws you a bone, you're meant to keep up your end of the bargain
 
If anyone asks you to build a payment integration using the paypal API. Run away, run like forest gump and never look back!
2
 
"Erm. We're very angry with you. Pay more tax. And stuff..... P.S. I won't tell anyone about the half a billion pounds going into your Cayman Islands accounts if you play along with this one."
 
Well, possibly also some of that
 
Torres: Shitting on the little guys
 
Isn't Torres a footballer?
 
10:34 AM
@JamieTownsend is it that bad? Wow...good thing I'm not in that sector ;)
 
The main problem IMHO is that the definition of profit is a mess. If you transfer all your takings to an offshore subsidiary, then have that subsidiary pay your bills, then the profit counts as being made by the subsidiary
 
oops, @Sean - Not sure you can call him a footballer, he is awful. My nan could play better and she's dead
 
@JamieTownsend hahaha
 
hahah
 
@TomW Yeah that's definitely a problem
 
10:36 AM
Why it isn't defined by where you took the money off the customer, I fail to comprehend
 
Found that on FB this morning
 
@Sean that thing is kinda old, but I love it ;)
 
@SteffenWinkler I've never seen it before =O
 
@Sean ;) guess there are many people that haven't seen it yet
GAAAAH I really start to hate Xceed right now...I mean, I hated that stuff before but now I really hate it
(it wasn't my choice to use it)
 
@TomW Yeah, the problem is we have so much tax that if we started doing that, businesses would start leaving
 
10:40 AM
@Sean I double dare them. Mother*******
 
Which I'm not actually sure is a problem
 
We need to be Sweden, basically
 
Cos you'd just get local businesses springing up in their place instead
 
Seriously, that excuse has been going around for years and years. I say we call their bluff
 
You'll notice that the UK is one of the few places where there are zero requirements to start a business other than a filing fee with Companies House
 
10:41 AM
 
Football teams are the same, always on the fiddle. Think I heard once that in Italy footballers are exempt from paying tax .....
 
I believe the Netherlands require either prior experience or some qualification? @ActionHank could prob qualify that
Sweden requires capital up front (£10k), France requires that you make X amount of monies I believe
 
Yeah but at the same point, over 50% of businesses fail in their first 2 years is it?
In the UK
 
Something ridiculous like that yes
But what I'm talking about is stopping those individuals from starting businesses just to save on tax
 
Ah right, I see
 
10:43 AM
Not so much on big/real businesses
 
@Sean that's just another proof that facebook is bad ;)
 
haha @Sean that wasp thing is brilliant
 
@SteffenWinkler I know right?
@rudi_visser I HATE WASPS
At least bees only sting you if they really really need to, cos they die afterwards anyway
 
Yea wasps are evil mothafuckers
 
The one time I've been stung by a bee was cos I stood on it. In grass.
I was tiny. It hurt so much >_<
 
10:45 AM
@Sean also yeah, Wasps suck... I think I killed 8 or 9 this summer (they're easier to kill than flies...at least when they sit on a wall and you've something heavy in your hand)
 
@rudi_visser I'm sorry what was the question?
 
@ActionHank Can you smuggle us into 'Dam for a weekend?
 
@ActionHank My friend wanted to start his own business in NL but he couldn't because there was some prerequisite of a business degree or something?
 
@SteffenWinkler Or you just trap them in your beer
 
@Sean if by smuggling you mean 'taking you on a tour' then yes.
 
10:46 AM
@Sean would be fine to me as I don't drink beer... ;)
 
@SteffenWinkler They love climbing down the sides of beer glasses so you just pick up the beer mat and leave them in there
I would sacrifice a beer to kill a wasp
 
@rudi_visser that is ridiculous. Maybe for foreigners it is that way, but any idiot could start a business here
 
@Sean oh, yeah it's the same for Cola glasses
 
as long as: a) you've got 10k on your balance (which you can borrow) and b) write a business plan
 
@SteffenWinkler Yeah, or orange juice...
 
10:47 AM
@ActionHank Well that's what I said to him, perhaps he's just stupid
ah right so capital is required there also
 
If you want a certain business type then yes
we have something called a B.V.
Or an N.V.
 
Yes I'm talking about BV
 
Which is Limited Liability
Well, a business plan and 10k should do
 
As of 1 October 2012 a simplification of the legal requirements of the Dutch BV (The BV is the Dutch model of a company with limited liability) will be introduced: the Flex BV.

For example the current capital requirement (€ 18,000) is no longer needed and the entrepreneur will have more possibilities to manage the BV.
 
Action Hank Action Packed Tours Ltd.
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10:49 AM
Dutch company law has changed effective as per 1 October 2012. As a result thereof the procedure to incorporate a BV has been strongly simplified and the cost of incorporation have significantly reduced. For instance, there is no longer a minimum capital requirement and also the requirement to povide for a bank statement upon incorporation has been abolished.
 
Aah. They're looking to steal our tax-dodgers from us.
 
Wow. I'm off! Starting a business FOR THE WIN
I'm sure Flex BV has some limitations of its own
 
@ActionHank If you don't use my name for your business I will no longer be your friend
 
@Sean are you kidding?
Action Hank Action Packed Tours Ltd. is a GREAT name!
 
Hahaha
Do you remember that shit in the playground? "Give me that ball or I won't be your friend any more!!"
 
10:51 AM
No
 
I wouldn't know, my parents were too poor for a ball
 
@Sean what is that 'friend' you speak about? ;)
 
They provided us with balls at school, you didn't need your own
 
+1 @SteffenWinkler
You went to a strange school @Sean
 
Nuh-uh.
They were normal schools
With normal people
And me
 
10:52 AM
@Sean somewhere in here lurks a joke about having balls...
 
Yeah nothing's coming to me.
 
LOL YOUR SCHOOL GAVE YOU BALLS
?
 
I wonder what the cute intern is taking so long
 
@rudi_visser Surely that's a good thing?
 
Maybe she's worried what you'll say/do next @ActionHank
@Sean idk I'm just going for the most obvious thing
 
10:54 AM
@ActionHank She knows you're watching her and is creeped out?
 
@Sean My assistant didn't find your wasp thing funny
I think that means I can no longer like it
 
@rudi_visser NO FUCK OFF EVERYONE HATES WASPS
 
@Sean surely that can't be it. I only friended her on facebook AFTER I said hello at the coffee machine
 
But she's hot?
 
@ActionHank Oh ok, so standard social protocol has been followed...
@rudi_visser But who cares? Wasps are the devil's work!
 
10:56 AM
Aww man, I need to sleep badly..
 
but..
 
@rudi_visser She's not some kind of fuzzy "I love animals and everything living" person is she?
 
Not that I'm aware of
 
@AndréSilva you're in Brazil right? Your day is just getting started!
 
@rudi_visser Why doesn't she like it then?
 
10:56 AM
I don't think she got it
 
@ActionHank Don't even remember me that.. It is 8:56am now
 
@rudi_visser Well that's hardly my fault now is it?
 
Or maybe she didn't get why I just randomly sent her a link to a jpg
 
Maybe you should prefix it with "This is funny."
And when she says it's not, you say "It IS funny. Now get me a coffee."
 
melissa: ??
melissa: i dont get it
 
10:58 AM
rudi: nobody likes wasps
melissa: i still dont get it
rudi: youre fired
 
rudi: Nevermind.
 
who's melissa??
 
If this does not happen I will be very disappointed with you.
 
I can't fire her, she's hot
 
I am disappoint.
 
10:59 AM
-ed
 
@SamyS.Rathore It's rudi's hot PA
 
You haven't been less than 0 mm from her
You can't understand
 
Oh wow that's a great way of saying "You haven't shagged her"
 

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