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5:00 PM
Holy shit, it's a programmer.
 
@KendallFrey Cell (UITableViewCell exactly) is Obj-C built-in class, but I can inherit it in C# and add C#'s filds and methods
@KendallFrey I've wrote that logic.
customized Cell, in other words
 
Ah, so you're extending/breaking an existing class.
 
"breaking", huh
 
huh huh huh :)
I have a feeling that the combination of stuff you have is doing something possibly similar to what I found here:
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Q: Is this a bug in MonoTouch GC?

Dan Abramov Note: I've created a simple project—you can see how switching types between UIButton and CustomButton in storyboard changes GC behavior. I'm trying to get my head wrapped around MonoTouch garbage collector. The issue is similar to the one fixed in MT 4.0, however with inherited types. To il...

 
Oh, I want to leave that hell-like Monotouch and write servers on Scala, rly
 
5:02 PM
Alright lets give up google and come here to ask about stupid stuff I can't handle to do it...
 
Sorry, it's lunch time. See ya in 1/2 hr.
 
Report Service on C#..
 
I really love it when your code acts like it's sent an email and you receive NOTHING
 
@KendallFrey DON'T
:(
 
> The TouchUpInside event handler has a reference to the ChildViewController instance.
that's why
 
5:03 PM
Ok then.. let's ask.
 
@KendallFrey I've read that already
 
I'm following this tutorial about report service..
 
That's a hilariously named property "TouchUpInside" xD
 
There it uses two classes as structure for a table, I'm using just one.
 
@Sean Why?
 
5:04 PM
Actually one class for table one for loading things in table.
I'm not using the second because I have different stuff doing it..
 
@folex To touch up: when someone touches you in a sexual way. You can figure the rest out
 
@Sean That means that your finger touched, then raised, but never goes out of button's frame
ok
 
@folex Yeah I have a filthy mind, excuse me =]
 
When I go to the menu Data -> Add New Data Source
 
BOOM! CDOSYS conquered.
 
5:05 PM
I can't find the class I created for structure...
Someone know why ?
The only difference between the tutorials class and mine are the variable names...
 
Hello all!
 
I'm in the process of writing an application that needs to be cross platform compatible with OSX and Windows. I have dove into MonoDevelop somewhat to see it's cross-platform capabilities and it seems very promising however the IDE doesn't seem to work correctly on windows. Anyone recommend anything else or any alternatives?
 
Java.
 
5:09 PM
@ShotgunNinja chk-chk, BOOM!
 
@KendallFrey Would be able to help you.. But he is lunching..
 
sup @Sean
 
ceiling
it's almost home time!
 
woot~
 
21 mins to go
 
5:09 PM
I'm currently doing an adobe air application and I must say, ActionScript is really obnoxious -.-
 
and I have just re-conquered CDOSYS
 
@Sean Its a Shotgun Ninja.. It would fire like this : And you're dead.
 
ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOOOOWN
ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOOOOWN
 
@AndréSilva Shush you with you technicalities, the noises make it cooler
DO DO DOOOO DO!!!
DO DO DO DO DO!!
 
Oh, man, I hear you @jhartzell, I did a Flash/AS3 app a while back... it was miserable.
 
5:10 PM
DO DO DOOOO DO!!!
 
I can't even research how to populate a mx:tree via actionscript, I have been bashing my head against the wall on it for over 6 hours now >.>
 
Actually, mine was an Air app as well.
 
Air was a novel idea
 
Air is great don't get me wrong, I think it serves a great purpose but gah.. Everything you research is all in mx controls and not actionscript
ok "great" may be a little stretch lol
 
Yeah... it's a nice system bogged down by a crummy language with crummy old features.
 
5:12 PM
No one knows about report service ?
 
If you could do something like that with C#, that looked as nice as Flash, I'd be in heaven.
 
Yea, have you taken a look at MonoDevelop @Shotgun?
 
changing code comments from CDONTS to <s>CDONTS</s> CDOSYS ftw
 
I've looked at it way back, but I develop on Windows mostly, and I haven't had the time to futz around with Mono.
 
Do you know if straight flash can save locally to a users hard-drive and also upload a file to a server?
 
5:14 PM
Also, I just re-discovered that I apparently got an F in Algorithms last Winter, because I was taking 6 courses and working in avionics, and got shingles toward the end of the quarter.
Flash cannot; Air can, however.
 
Oh man I love people who use good config variable names
 
hi guys
 
Mail.Send(Cfg(cnnDB, "HDName") & "<" & Cfg(cnnDB, "HDReply") & ">")
 
I have doubt on c#
 
no idea what that's doing...
 
5:15 PM
@Sean lol..
 
Can anybody clarify me
 
and it's an access database for the configuration
godfuckingdamnit
 
@MutturajBali Whats your question?
 
What do you need, @MutturajBali?
 
Recommendations for Abstract class vs interfaces
 
5:18 PM
That really depends on the implementation of what your creating to be honest, can you elaborate a little?
 
If you anticipate creating multiple versions of your component, create an abstract class. Abstract classes provide a simple and easy way to version your components. By updating the base class, all inheriting classes are automatically updated with the change. Interfaces, on the other hand, cannot be changed once created.
If a new version of an interface is required, you must create a whole new interface...got this from Microsoft link...I am unable to understand this...Can u please tell what are Components
What do u mean creating multiple versions of component
 
That's actually fairly vague too lol, Components can be nearly anything inside of a class, sometimes they inherit the IComponent interface
 
@MutturajBali Say you want to create a Socket server. You create a base type called SocketServer which would use some defaults. Say then you want to create a socket server that uses UDP, you could create a class called UDPSocketServer. This would be a different version of your SocketServer component.
 
Beat me to the example :(
 
@MutturajBali You might think "But that's just OOP inheritance" but that text is really quite shit at getting it across
 
5:22 PM
OMG, guy in the office found a registry change which removes the stupid caps menu in VS 2012 - THANK YOU LORD!
 
:6690256
 
OOP sucks
 
@JamieTownsend So did google
 
interfaces > abstract
 
@DavidDV Do you not have ANYTHING better to do? =P
 
5:23 PM
:P
 
I looked before and didn't see anything :(
 
just saying OOP is so 90's
 
@DavidDV that only holds up in a minority of cases
@DavidDV Not if you do it right. People really suck at getting OOP right.
 
lol
 
@jhartzell On the other hand even implementer of Interface can provide Different implementation right....then when do we go for abstract classes
 
5:24 PM
So, I've got a razor view. I wanna abstract all the text so if we decide to go multi-lingual it's not a huge PITA later. Anyone have a good solution for this?
 
@Billdr Can you use resource files ?
 
@MutturajBali Yes
 
Sure! How? :p
 
OH GODDAMNIT THIS FUCKING THING!!!
 
use a interface or abstract class -> it depends on the context -> choosing the wrong or more complex one will not make you look smarter even when it is OO
 
5:25 PM
I think it is <%= ResourceName.Key %>
 
@MutturajBali Read what Sean said, it is a quite good example.
 
Which cunt decides it's a good idea to create an application and replace the standard error messages with a shitty little red box?!?!
I WANT MY LINE NUMBERS DAMNIT!!!
Looks like I'll be stuck in response.write response.end land tomorrow >=[
 
@KendallFrey When you're around I have a question for you! :D
 
There is a thing on web.config that you'll have to alter it @Billdr
And on the pages to set a default culture..
 
5:28 PM
Coming from a C# background would I have better success at a Java application or ActionScript (Adobe AIR)?
 
Skydiving.
 
@jhartzell Java, undoubtedly
@jhartzell It's C style syntax that you will be used to and really not all that different or difficult to leanr
 
How depressing. My computer was working for me over lunch.
@Sean ActionScript is C-style, no?
 
Isn't ActionScript that shameless Microsoft version of javascript ?
 
Yes, it is.. however it's prototypal inheritance and has several ugly quirks with mx and spark objects
 
5:30 PM
@AndréSilva No, it's from Adobe.
 
Your thinking of TypeScript :)
 
Yeah.. TypeScript..
 
Or JScript.
 
and TypeScript is actually quite good :p
 
JScript is evil.
 
5:31 PM
No no, I think it was TypeScript..
 
@jhartzell Java. It's not as bad as these philistines say it is.
 
hahaha
I am not against Java, I am just really curious about the performance difference and system dependencies vs Java and Adobe AIR
 
Java is good.. just forget all you know about performance and think about beautifulness..
 
sigh...exactly :(
 
Java's beautiful?
 
5:32 PM
Yea, Java != high performance.
 
Its philosophy is..
 
I can't run a computer on philosophy.
 
Java philosophy about how the world should help each other by being open source is beautiful.. But not always work..
 
sure you can
it's a linux flavor
 
lolwut
 
5:33 PM
@KendallFrey That is why you see 30 people in c# room by the afternoon and at night java room gets flooded..
 
if(Iam)
{
Iam=true;
}
 
Everything is a linux flavor.
 
@jhartzell if i have abstract class with two abtract methods and i have Interface with two same methods which u ll go for...
 
@jhartzell The only thing that really pissed me off was having to declare exceptions with the method declaration, which is really annoying
 
philOSophy
 
5:34 PM
@KendallFrey Everything is a Unix flavor. ._.
 
@KendallFrey ActionScript probably is but Java is nicer
 
Everything has porn of it.
Even Linux flavors.
 
@Sean I know what you mean
 
@KendallFrey Because I've used Java and it's not all that bad but I can imagine actionscript being shite
 
I've used both, actually.
 
5:34 PM
@Sean i have abstract class with two abstract methods and i have Interface with two same methods which u ll go for...
 
ANYWAY I'M OFF
 
What was that movie about the guy that was born old and when time passes he gets younger ?
 
Well the application I'm doing is going to be a very small app.. The purpose of it is for our Onhold customers to record their own messages for their onhold system we provide to them.. It will have a library they can manage as well as edit these clips etc.. I'm just really unsure of which route to take and it needs to be fully functional across OSX and Windows unfortunately.
 
@MutturajBali I honestly couldn't tell you, I suck at OOP design
And I'm bailing to go home or my lift will leave without me
 
@jhartzell I'd say Java.
 
5:35 PM
Laters @sean
 
Anyone knows the name of the movie ?
@Sean Cya
 
Though Mono is pretty cool.
 
BAI GUYZ HAVE MY HAPPY ARMS IN THE AIR SANTA HAT SLEIGH!!!
 
@MutturajBali Depends what you use them for.
 
Later @Sean.
 
5:36 PM
@MutturajBali It really depends, like I said earlier.. It boils down to what your using them for and beyond that I cannot give you a more clear answer.
 
If you don't need to supply any default functionality, then chances are you should use an interface.
 
The curious case of benjamin button..
@KendallFrey You have the Benjamin Buttons Syndrom..
 
de fuqq
 
You're 17 now, next year you'll be 16..
 
de fuqq?
 
5:37 PM
Wouldn't that be great!
 
That sounds like the worst.
being <18 sucked.
 
The only explanation to your excessive experience with developping...
 
@KendallFrey that sounds about right
 
I guess it would depend at which age this started eh? :P
 
being 17 is awesome.
 
5:37 PM
@KendallFrey So i change the default functionality will it be updated to the child classes
 
Yes.
Interfaces don't allow default functionality, so if you need that, you should use abstract.
 
@KendallFrey JavaEE is for web applets, correct?
 
@KendallFrey You should put at your profile : "The one who has the Benjamin Buttons Disease."
 
I don't know what Java Evil Edition is best used for.
 
haha
 
5:39 PM
@Billdr Was I able to help you ?
 
┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
The finger to all!
 
@AndréSilva Yea, I forgot the name of "resource files."
Well, I forgot it was the same for C#
 
Hehe. :)
@KendallFrey Are you still at high school ?
 
Nope, but should be.
 
10:1 says Kendall was home schooled.
 
5:41 PM
Why is that ?
 
I was too smart in kindergarten, so they sent me to 2nd grade.
FYI, the only programming course I ever took, I dropped out.
 
Courses are just to get some paper so you can put more stuff into your resume..
So you finished High School with 15yo ?
 
No, 16.
 
Ah, you had birthday.. right..
 
Actually, no, 17.
I finished this past June.
 
5:43 PM
Hm..
You're canadian right ?
 
Preference, Eclipse or IntelliJ I think its called?
 
In Canada, High School takes 3 years to complete ?
 
4
At least Ontario.
 
._. 1st to 9th grade ?
 
5:45 PM
Elementary: 1-8 High: 9-12
 
Lawdy ._.
 
Here in Brazil is 1-9 and High is 1-3 BUT if you do some kind of course with the High School, it goes 1-4
 
You don't do courses in high school?
 
We don't have too..
 
5:46 PM
We need to finish 30 courses ("credits") to graduate.
 
Wait, let me see if google translate can translate it correctly..
If we do Basic High School, we don't have to do nothing..
We have some kind of Technical High School, where people do System Development with basic education..
We have to be a trainee for 400 hours total
And we have a End Course Apresentation to do.. like college..
 
@KendallFrey Java IDE Preference?
 
In my school we had 2 elective courses a quarter, the rest were assigned to meet state/federal requirements.
@jhartzell Eclipse.
^--the only answer.
 
The only Java I did I compiled with the command line.
 
oh lord
lol
 
5:49 PM
barf
 
I didn't do much.
 
OH, also, guess what I found out today?
 
Just a tutorial.
 
what's that Shotgun?
 
I'm not going to be graduating at the end of this year, like I'd hoped to do.
 
5:50 PM
Daaaaaaaaaamn
 
bummer
 
Turns out I completely forgot that I failed Algorithms, and I'm still missing Advanced Computer Graphics for my course focus.
I only failed Algorithms because I got shingles halfway through the quarter.
and I was in 6 courses, and one had to be on the chopping-block.
and I was working in avionics at the time.
 
avionics sounds wicked interesting.
 
4 of my other courses were As, and the 5th, Artificial Intelligence, was a C.
 
more so than algorithms.
 
5:52 PM
Well, algorithms was so easy, I blew it off until the last minute, before realizing that I was missing one more lab than anticipated.
 
they should do this in school -> youtube.com/watch?v=5Rp4V3Sj5jE&feature=g-high-rec
:p
 
I had a 3.5 GPA for that quarter... but I got completely burnt out on school.
 
that's why I maintain a 4.0gpa with 2 classes a quarter. Crap like that makes slacking expensive.
So you have to do creative slacking.
 
I can't afford a 10-year bachelor's degree.
 
Mine'll end up being 3 years with test outs and such. I'm probably going to bump it up to three classes a quarter in the spring.
because I'm getting really sick of doing school.
Also, don't get a job. It makes paying for college really hard.
 
5:55 PM
@Billdr how does that work in the us?
 
Based on family income. My wife and I clear $120k/year, so the government says we should be able to pay for college out of pocket. They are insane.
 
In Sweden we get 50% paid by the gov and 50% as a loan by gov, roughly
 
You are poor
Can't you get a loan regardless?
 
and school is "free"
 
If we made something closer to $80k/year we'd get a grant for about half of my tuition, and it goes lower logarithmicly.
I can get loans, my credit is great. The problem is I won't be able to make payments when they come due.
 
5:57 PM
@Billdr But not in grant form can't you get an actual student loan thing?
I mean the auto-deduct one etc
 
Either I need a pretty significant raise here, or I've gotta find a new job before the end of next year.
 
almost free school + healthcare ftw
 
how much is one year in college? Guess it depends on college
 
I don't remember off hand. I want to say I'm paying about $26k a year
 
5:58 PM
Ugh.. why can't I get a forms project started in Eclipse -.- I hate new IDE's lol I'm spoiled by VS
 
Isn't there a Java room with people who use java IDEs daily?
Those guys might be better guides.
 
cos Java is gay
 

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