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DSM
3:03 PM
Monday morning cabbage.
And don't worry -- Python will probably have "optional" strict enforcement of privacy by 4.0..
 
@marxin You probably don't want name mangling there.
 
Devil's advocate: Writing an attribute now and changing it to a property later, takes approximately the same amount of time as writing a property to begin with. But it's possible that your time now is less valuable than your time later. Example: you write the class originally at a leisurely pace. Later, 24 hours before the public release date of your software, you discover a bug that can only be fixed by making the class' attribute into a property.
With another 60 bugs to go after this one, you wish your regular-development-time self had implemented the attribute as a property, rather than delegating it to your crunch-time self.
 
not really because most of the times you wont change attribute to property
 
Counter-advocate: if you don't have time to spare to write an extra seven lines of boilerplate during crunch time, you are already in Hell so no amount of preparation will bring you life satisfaction
@marxin Yes, most of the time it doesn't come up. So during 99 out of 100 crunch times, there's no problem. But 1 in 100 times, you get fired.
 
And there's a tiny bit of extra run-time in accessing a property compared to accessing a simple attribute, so why add clutter and slow down your code by making something a property unless it needs to be a property?
 
3:09 PM
@Kevin in your example, this is definitely the case with Java, where promoting an attribute to getter/setters affects importing code as well.
 
@Kevin I dont want to work in such comapny :D
 
@DSM 10-games-behind-cbg, how you doing?
 
So that is why in Java, the general rule is to always use setter/getters
 
Bad analogy: it is better to know the Heimlich maneuver ahead of time because you don't want to google it while your friend is turning blue. This is true even if taking a class takes more time than googling it, and even if nobody chokes 99.999% of the time you go out to eat.
 
guys I think I am starting to like strongly-typed languages better :|
 
3:12 PM
Is it better to perform the Heimlich maneuver or don't at all, if you don't know the updated maneuver?
 
omg but Heimlich maneuver doesnt make a mess in your head :D
 
recbg
sentry: POS.
 
rbrb off to work
 
and you do it once per few years
in best case
(i mean class)
 
:\ work... so depressing....
 
3:15 PM
@marxin Depends how hard you squeeze tbh.
 
whatever
 
DSM
@MooingRawr: can't complain, except that I'm going out west in two weeks and I'm getting impatient.
 
vacation ? or business? either one hope you enjoy it
my company just hired a lead data scientist, which might mean we might get a small team, which means they might use Python, which means I should hurry up and learn some numpy so I can apply for a team swap false alarm just a contract 6 month worker :(
 
Met the new IT Director today, gave him the rundown of all of our systems with the panache of someone who's leaving in 13 working days. I think he's regretting his life choices.
 
DSM
@MooingRawr: vacation. Back to see the family.
 
3:30 PM
@Withnail is the new dude a new hire or someone within the company moving up ?
 
new hire.
 
I wonder how you get that position... must be nice to be an IT director... a lot of stress and decision making but still...
 
I wouldn't want to do it.
I was nominated to apply for it and take over, (having previous senior experience before career changing into dev) and was whole worlds of nope about it.
 
u make alot more money
 
Current logging status: going down the dark path of writing my own DictConfigurator subclass.
For context, this was supposed to make Flask logging configuration easier. I don't even know where I am anymore.
 
3:40 PM
I'm curious and want to ask why... but then again I think I should stay away from it...
 
DSM
That sounds like the sort of backstory that happened a thousand years before the lives of our main characters who are exploring the wreckage caused when the Great Darkness was unleashed.
 
The commit message will be largely incomprehensible, half written in an unknown language.
 
Money is definitely not everything.
 
money aint a thing if I got it
(sorry....reminded me of a song I was just listening to)
 
DSM
It's been a while since I've read a good "exploring the ruins" story (the fantasy equivalent of the so-called 'walking simulator' games.) Once I clear my current backlog I'll try to find some to put on the deck.
 
3:47 PM
@Withnail I'm being paid 40k (CAD) for being a jr dev at my company ... to me, at least right now, I'm working for experiences, once I get enough I would like a pay raise to at least 60k...
 
This is your bi-yearly reminder that Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō is the comfiest postapocalypse story you are likely to ever read
 
@MooingRawr when do you expect that to happen?
 
I still need to finish Yokohama, I got about half way through before getting distracted about a year ago.
It's good.
 
@Kevin 3 or 4 years from now, or is my plan highly out of range as 60k a year is top end devs ?
 
DSM
60k CAD is considerably below what senior devs get paid in LargeCanadianCity. When you're at that stage, don't even bother to read the email unless it contains six digits pre-bonus. Everyone's path to that stage is different, though.
 
3:56 PM
agreed
even where I am at, 60K for a senior position is a joke
anyone who argues otherwise is misguided
 
cbg
Really, you have to tell me that a chat message was received 4 seconds after the previous one?
 
That's weird.
 
Interesting.
 
DSM
That's happened to me in the past!
 
Things are working OK on my end.
 
4:00 PM
It's raining in San Diego right now.
 
That was after logging in at Starbucks and loading chat.
 
DSM
Apr 18 at 14:45, by DSM
Huh. I'm seeing messages like 24 seconds later
 when I scroll up. Pretty sure I haven't seen those before. Is that a thing now?
 
This is the first time I've seen it.
 
Maybe Starbucks' wifi is doing something funny to the packets during transit.
 
So DSM is the hipster amongst us.
 
4:02 PM
@davidism it's raining here....but that's normal here. You should probably build a bomb shelter. The apocalypse might start in SD.
 
cbg all
 
cbg
 
DSM
I actually can't tell if it's raining right now or not. If so it's just a drizzle. Sky is grey and cloudy, though.
 
hmm...Room 15 has similar timing messages.
 
Last night my phone buzzed with a flood warning for my area. But it only drizzled all night.
I was at least hoping for a rainfall hard enough to make noise bouncing off my roof. Money can't buy white noise like that.
 
DSM
4:05 PM
@Code-Apprentice: I'd prefer OG but I'll take what I can get at this point..
 
How about OP (Original Pythonista)?
 
OPG - original pythonista gangsta
shotgun
I'm taking that
 
@MooingRawr beyond a point though more money isn't worth the added stress...
 
that too
there is a sweet spot. But at the same time, if you are going to fall in to a particular role, make sure you are getting the fair pay for it
 
@TimCastelijns I knew I saw you in here the other day. It threw me off.
 
4:12 PM
@enderland yeah I'm not at that point and I don't look forward to waking up on a weekday anymore ( I don't mind the coding just the interaction and other stuff that comes with the coding) :\
 
@MooingRawr tell your friend (lol) to apply for a different job ;)
 
Yeah I found a cabbage. Thought I'd return it home
 
Now you have me all confused...
I keep my chat rooms straight by who is in them...
 
it was. At least it was an attempt
 
so I see you here and think this is Room 15
 
4:15 PM
I used to chat here when I was all about python
years ago
 
I am going to be more about python in the near future. Just got a job at a shop that uses python on several projects.
signed the employment contract this morning
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DSM
Sometimes you even luck out and get more money with less stress. There does seem to be a bit of salary compression, in that a substantial amount of additional responsibility fits into the same ~30k band. That's the point where you can start to make some decisions about salary vs. experience.
 
so it's official!
 
DSM
@Code-Apprentice: many pineapples for you.
 
congrats @Code-Apprentice
 
4:15 PM
thanks
or should I say melon
 
@DSM yeah, there is a lot of variation in what people make in the same "position" in different companies
I probably make a fair bit more than some people in the same job title in my town (and likely less than others?)
 
Would be fun to use Java + Android + Python regularly
 
I think I would enjoy an Android Dev position.
 
congrats @Code-Apprentice
 
my first project at the new job will be Cold Fusion, though.
 
4:17 PM
that's my job marcus :D
plus the occasional web development crap >_>
 
@TimCastelijns Nice
@TimCastelijns ... that part not so nice, LOL
 
lol, I just googled "Cold Fusion Introduction" and the YouTube I clicked on was about actual, physical cold fusion.
Like the power of the sun at room temperature.
 
Wouldn't that be lukewarm fusion then?
 
well compared to the millions of kelvin at the surface of a star, a few degrees F or C is cold.
few degrees == <100
 
DSM
More like thousands of K. Maybe 10,000 K for some stars. #recoveringastronomer
 
4:23 PM
@Code-Apprentice you should watch those and ask your boss questions about it
 
"Is this whole cold fusion thing just a hoax?"
 
I used to think that stellar fusion was like an H-bomb contained by gravity. But it's not. The reaction rate is really slow. Stars put out lots of energy merely because they're so big.
 
I remember it being 5700K based on some video game whose name I am spacing right now
 
"The science was debunked. But I also don't think climate change is a thing, either."
 
@PM2Ring idk. fusion generators are a thing in Factorio, so clearly they are IRL too, right?
 
4:25 PM
Wiki says: "At the center of the Sun, fusion power is estimated by models to be about 276.5 watts/m3.[5] Despite its intense temperature, the peak power generating density of the core overall is similar to an active compost heap, and is lower than the power density produced by the metabolism of an adult human. The Sun is much hotter than a compost heap due to the Sun's enormous volume.[6]"
 
@PM2Ring so it's like an H-bomb if the hydrogen were molasses?
@PM2Ring TIL
 
huh. so a compost heap is a more efficient generator than the sun?
 
:) It's a good thing the reaction rate is slow, with half-lives on the order of a billion years for Sun-sized stars, otherwise they wouldn't last very long.
 
DSM
Take that, Sun! (double arm flex, kisses biceps)
 
@enderland No, but the compost heap generates more energy per unit volume per unit time than the fusion reaction in the solar core.
 
4:28 PM
@enderland what do you mean by "more efficient"?
 
all the pings
@Code-Apprentice uh, not really sure, we'll pretend I didn't say that :v
 
typically "efficient" is a measure of the % energy usable for work compared with the energy input.
 
I know, I'm ashamed of myself, I even have a mechanical engineering degree.... >.>
 
lol, and then you admit it after that question.
of course my layman attempt at a definition probably isn't entirely accurate.
 
The ultimate in matter -> energy conversion is matter-antimatter annihilation. The proton-proton chain only liberates a small fraction of the energy of its fuel, but that's still quite a lot more than what a compost heap can do.
 
4:32 PM
@enderland but there's no good job around "my friends" house and "my friends" really don't wanna work downtown unless "my friends" REALLY have too :D
 
how willing are you to move?
 
I like living in my city :D I don't MIND commuting downtown, I would strong PREFER not too, but if the job is right :D
 
@MooingRawr check here
 
My sister and her friend loves going up there every summer.... :D I had to drive there once... my golly 8 hour drive...
 
That's quite a commute.
 
4:42 PM
@MooingRawr so i take it you don't want to work there, lol
 
pros and cons type. It's super pretty. Super nice community. Cons. 8 hour commute, don't know if I'm what you guys are looking for. yeah I think I might consider it after all my options are exhausted.
 
did i read that right?
 
wait you'd 8 hour commute?
 
If I had too... yes?
 
3-4 years is a senior position, and CAD guys should get paid 6 figures?
 
4:45 PM
had being my last option I wouldn't mind lol
 
8 hour commute to work wat recbg
 
@Kevin I'm jr 1 year experience I'm making 40k CAD I thought that was normal :\ I honestly have no idea what people can make. Plus I don't wanna ask for higher pay grade because I don't think I'm there yet... :D
@AndrasDeak cbg how goes it .... think about it. we are on the verge of self driving cars :D Just need to hook up a computer in your car and life is good
 
i think that is normal
 
@MooingRawr I'd rather remote instead
 
20k increase is 3-4 years... 5-6k increase per year... if you're getting 8% raises... you're at a good company.
i read that wrong... he was just saying, senior developers get paid more than CAD drafters... i think is what he was saying
 
4:50 PM
8 hour commute... nope
 
@MooingRawr I have no idea what is normal for canadian salaries, lol
 
8 hour commute????
LOL
hell no
canadian salaries are weighed heavily on location
 
DSM
@Kevin: I think MR meant CAD as in the currency (Canadian dollar), not the work.
 
what is good in cityA is significantly different from cityB
 
lmao
oops
 
4:52 PM
@Kevin depends on where you start at
if you start way underpaid, even if you get 8% a year it won't matter
 
there is no consistent math in salary increases here
there is no expectation on what one deserves
 
I had a friend like this incidentally who was getting massive raises every year, but... it took him several years to even get to market rate"
 
yeah
 
company health weighs heavy here too
 
As in, company financial health or health benefits?
Oh nevermind, y'all got that public health care
 
4:55 PM
@KevinMGranger financial. If a company is financially stable, making good money, and has a healthy work culture, then increases are going to be nice.
 
there is also such thing as being overpaid too
 
otherwise, don't expect much. Expect the absolute minimum that does not get the money in trouble for not giving the expected rate of inflation increase
 
Sometimes I worry about contracting a disease that makes your hands fall off and then they'll fire me because I can't type and then I won't be able to afford my hand medicine because companies stop giving you health care after they fire you
 
Actually, @KevinMGranger , even with the public health care, work group insurance is provided for all the private coverage in the event for the things like, MRI scans, eye work, etc.
 
honestly I don't care where or what language I code in. I just want to make enough to support my family in times of needs (using my saving) and if the workplace makes me want to get out of bed most days.
 
4:56 PM
This seems like a flawed system because the people with the least amount of hands will have the hardest time affording hand medicine on their own
 
Benefits, food, locations, company paid events, are luxury to me.
 
DSM
@Kevin: I'd be more concerned about needing help for aggressively SF-themed fears.
 
should be luxury to everyone that doesn't have a job lol
 
It could also be a disease affecting any other part of me required to program
 
zombie insurance is coming in 2018
come to Canada everyone
Kevin, I can sponsor you
One Kevin per family.
 
4:59 PM
=O but but can I have rabbit instead ?
brb lunch.
 
My true motive revealed: to develop rapport with a Canadian support network so I can more easily acquire free health care
 
DSM
I'm from Alberta. I've got my own bolt-action zombie insurance right here.
 
Who wants to green card marry me
 
shotgun. I'll do it.
YES! I get my very own Kevin!
 
Ok the ceremony is at Niagara falls. You'll know it when you see it because of how resplendent it is
You will say "I didn't even know you could pack that many doves into that amount of space"
 
5:02 PM
Perfect. We can celebrate by doing the glow in the dark mini putt in Niagara.
 
DSM
This seems rather OTT as a response to the threat of hand loss.
 
I guess I could get a job programming in Whitespace, which has only two characters.
 
Or learn to type with your nose.
 
anyone want to join the bet?
 
Tricky to hit the shift or control keys at the same time though, although there are accessibility features that deal with that.
 
5:15 PM
 
Comment upvoted
 
"What are you doing?"
"I'm programming in Whitespace."
"You've been silently staring at the monitor for an hour."
"I'm using voice-to-text."
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Thus, I will achieve perfect job security.
 
lol just got a random downvote
 
@idjaw zwer, the guy with the accepted answer there just got 2 downvotes 25 minutes ago.
 
yep
just noticed it too
oh people are such trolly little wastes sometimes
the downvotes came to only upvoted answers too
 
5:34 PM
Consistently foolish hobgoblins have little minds
 
I am now a victim of the chat pinging. Is this what it's like to be a Kevin?
 
@idjaw what bet ?
 
@idjaw One semi-legitimate reason for a downvote here is that the OP asks "How do i make that variable have only three decimal places? It has to be in the variable, not the print." You just showed how to print 3 decimals, not how to round the value stored in variable itself.
Of course, you could explain why it's generally a Good Idea to maintain full precision in the variable and only do the rounding when you need to display it. Alternatively, if they really do want 3 decimal place precision in the variable, it'd (probably) be cheaper to generate a random integer and divide it by 1000.
 
@PM2Ring That is a valid point, but in the comment exchange with zwer, they seem to be involved in the bulk of the serial downvoting
 
@idjaw True, zwer's answer shows how to do the rounding, so the reason I gave above probably doesn't apply to the actual downvoter.
 
5:42 PM
the actual downvoter probably doesn't give a yam
 
Nope. I'm getting serial downvotes right now.
so don't know who I pissed off. But off they go.
jerk
 
you know how SO Documentation is supposed to be for stuff that doesn't fit the Q&A format? But it's also example based? Isn't every example an answer to "how can I do X with Y"?
 
I think SO needs to take a page out of Blizzard's book.
Stop the trolling by risking shaming
 
@idjaw how does blizzard do that?
 
@idjaw 3 or more will likely be reversed
 
5:44 PM
when you create your account you need a realid
 
if they don't, flag yourself before you wreck yourself
 
so it minimizes the trolling since your real name and info are attached to you
I think it's exactly what is needed. Because when anonymity is involved, people will act like trolls and be horrible
When they get caught they get apologetic because they got caught
In short. People are horrible and don't deserve nice things.
 
Is that what Documentation is supposed to be? I actually occasionally want to write posts containing information that people need but never think to ask about
 
Some games in Korea make you use their equivalent of a SSN to register an account. That might be a little extreme though :P
 
Like "is there any reason I shouldn't implement this iterative behavior using recursion?"
Kids today think stack space grows on trees. It doesn't! Silicon comes from the beach.
 
5:46 PM
@Kevin I dunno if that fits in the SO Docs model? I don't know maybe it does
 
@Programmer Most, if not all Koreans, gamers I came across are either super nice or keeps to themselves. I would say it works but is the price to high to pay.
 
I think I just figured out who it is.
 
@idjaw homo homini lupus
@idjaw watch their rep
 
But obviously without 100% certainty.
 
if it decreases with 1 after you get downvoted again, bingo
 
5:48 PM
@AndrasDeak genius
 
You lose 1 rep per downvote?
 
@AndrasDeak yeah. I'm watching their profile now. If I see it go down, I'm calling them out.
 
@Programmer for answers, yes
@idjaw good luck with that:D
 
It shows how much I know.
 
It's not entirely obvious since they don't put the red minus icon on your event icon thing when you lose the points of your own volition
 
5:49 PM
@Kevin plus it's hidden from your public rep history
 
@AndrasDeak 😀
 
"Nuh-HUH! You a liar"
 
Yep. I'm much closer to figuring out who it is.
I'm hoping for one more
 
*downvotes idjaw*
 
@idjaw how did you guess your current suspect?
 
5:52 PM
there's probably not that many toes that idjaw even remotely stepped on
 
@LangeHaare Based on me and the other person getting downvoted, there is one user that repeats in all our downvoted answers
There was another, but their current activity doesn't make sense.
The person in question has been active within the last hour too
 
very clever...
 
I suggest two downvotes a day in retaliation
for, say, three weeks
 
I'm considering a downvote on one of their answers as a test
 
5:54 PM
just one
see if they react 😀
 
*poke* -- idjaw
 
DSM
There's another model I've seen which seems to improve behaviour on the net-- charge a fee for access. Even a nominal fee seems to help, though you'd think it wouldn't if the cost was low.
 
booo
shun the capitalist
 
user6845426
cbg
 
there are so many places where people can go to be jerks for free that it doesn't pay to, well, pay
cbg
 
6:06 PM
@DSM I've wondered if teams would effectively allow that
 
user6845426
General question, anyone used Redis before? :)
 
yes
 
user6845426
I've just stumbled upon a talk on Redis on Youtube
 
dipper was tragically eaten by a dingo before he could finish the above sentence. RIP
 
dipper dipped in to the unknown.
We'll never know the secrets of redis now. They are locked in the mind of dipper.
RIP dipper
 
user6845426
6:16 PM
I've been enlightened.
 
Whenever somebody posts half a thought in here I assume they abruptly stopped typing, sniffed a couple times, yelled "my pot roast!" and ran out of the room
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OK OK.. Who had the phoenix down?
 
That doesn't work for storyline deaths, because [reason]
@dipper Tell us more about the Redis talk on Youtube.
 
user6845426
Well it's super fast
 
user6845426
Keep posted.
 
6:21 PM
mod voting in an hour
 
user6845426
And it's super easy to setup
 
@AndrasDeak QUICK SHOULD I RUN Y/N. wait I'm not insane, N
 
Is it just me, or is this question more than a little incoherent? stackoverflow.com/questions/45287159/…
 
too long. won't read.
 
I don't think it's just you
 
DSM
6:27 PM
Python 2. Somebody else's problem. :-P
 
I could probably fix his coding problem if only I could decode his English...
 
I want you to teach me your patience to tolerate long questions like that
 
"but the last line ever print empty string" was the tipping point that put me off inquiring further
 
with bold face!
it probably helps that PM 2Ring is immune to garlic :D
 
I am somewhat, but I'm also help vampire sensitive and know that the best way to help them is to enable them to learn, rather than feeding them
 
6:31 PM
this is not to say that this is an instance of garlic, but endless patience affects both
 
ugh...I had lunch....my wife is doing prep work for supper...and the smell is making me hungry
well...time for second lunch
 
is she making something with garlic? :-)
 
I bought too much cereal so there is a good chance dinner tonight will be cereal
 
Yeah, I don't think that OP is a HV, and they've posted code, and tried to explain what they're trying to do, what they expect the code to do, and what it does instead. But the explanation isn't very systematic, and their English is so bad that it's just too hard to really understand WTY they're saying.
 
DSM
I've given up most of my cereal eating, more's the pity. The 'suggested serving' barely covers the bottom of the bowl, and if I fill the bowl to something reasonable that's half my day's planned calorie intake before I've even left the house. :-/
 
6:43 PM
@enderland she is actually.
 
@DSM I just pointed out to a coworker their yogurt covered raisins or something had more calories than my lunch and breakfast combined lol
 
lol
 
Food industry please manufacture a bachelor nutrition brick so I don't have to make decisions ty
 
soylent bars
but apparently they got recalled
 
They already make them for prisons but the flavor isn't so good on account of them having a captive audience
 
6:45 PM
Aug 4 '16 at 13:57, by idjaw
Jun 11 at 22:25, by idjaw
You need soylent
next time, it will be four boxes!
 
DSM
To be fair, I did have granola this morning. But I used the kitchen scale so I could limit it appropriately..
 
suggested servings are a joke
 
that's why it's a suggestion
 
3 biscuits and a cup of joghurt for breakfast; yeah right
 
DSM
@idjaw: you.. you probably shouldn't be talking about soylent that much..
 
6:46 PM
do we have soylent consumers here?
 
I've used it before. It's alright.
 
@idjaw Quite a few people at my work used it for a while.
 
same. Our work fridge has bottles of it.
 
They never had anything good to say about it, but still tried to convince the rest of us to get on it.
 
I enjoy my food too much to replace it with juice made out of people
 
DSM
6:48 PM
Wait, what? This is a real product? Not just high energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world?
 
@DSM observe the monstrosity soylent.com/products/…
 
Yeah, I'm not about to give up tasting things.
 
I'm pretty sure the mission statement of soylent is to have nothing good to say about it other than "it keeps you alive"
 
it keeps you alive, and keeps you coding in the zone, bro.
 
The most charitable description I've heard of its flavor is that "It doesn't quite taste like cardboard".
 
6:49 PM
Soylent exists not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away.
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DSM
Heh
 
They have flavored ones now. I didn't mind the blank flavor, it reminded me of... batter, almost?
 
@Kevin snort laugh
 
how do you guys (do you?) find what other companies are doing to see if anything would be worth looking into for your company?
 
 
DSM
6:50 PM
I'd be willing to give it a go, but I'm not going to spend 30$ for the experiment.
 
@enderland tech conferences. tech meetups. bigger companies have their own blogs.
 
I dunno, given how much time/money I spend on food, I don't see giving it up for flavorless batter juice.
 
@idjaw conferences seem like the best/easiest way. however those are hard to "remote" into XD
 
@enderland ah. But the good ones make their talks available.
almost immediately after it is done.
 
6:51 PM
Some even live stream.
 
yup
and then you have awesome things like
https://medium.com/netflix-techblog
 
DSM
About once a week I sleep in and don't have time for breakfast (I no longer set an alarm most days). I keep an emergency stash of breakfast bars at the office. I'd be okay with replacing one with some kind of meal replacement drink.
 
You can get a standalone bottle of it at some stores now, just to try it
 
yup. I wouldn't mind trying it at all
I wouldn't mind supplementing it if it gave me good energy pre working out or playing sports
but there is no way I'm replacing a holy meal
 
Uh, I don't think you're supposed to eat before doing that lol
 
6:53 PM
meal? what's this meal thing you speak of?
 
Subway has a sign saying "soup makes it a meal!" so something with soup, I suppose
By the way, is cereal a soup?
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a few hours before working out, eating is more than fine.
whatever time it takes for the item to get in to your body to be used as energy
cereal a soup? well....the great debate begins
I like the idea of arguing for cereal being a soup
a breakfast soup
 
Speaking of cereal, my co-worker bought a container of these for a dollar because they were going to expire the next day. He's planning on eating them as cereal.
 
and before anyone introduces temperature, gazpacho shuts down your theory
 
It doesn't matter whether cereal is a soup, because words don't real.
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DSM
6:56 PM
@MorganThrapp: what
 
@DSM Yup.
 
<diabeetus>
 
I'm almost tempted to down-vote this for pointless use of Numpy: stackoverflow.com/a/45288003/4014959
@idjaw He just added a plain Python version... that uses a pointlessly nested list. :)
 

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