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12:26 AM
teee heeeee heeeee 8 points away from the golden one
I feel like I'm getting close to some form of retirement
 
 
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1:54 AM
Hey all, I had a question. I hope asking here isn't inappropriate. I've been stuck working on a function for a cool minute.
Basically, I'm trying to pull a series of lines from a massive txt file log. The log I'm wanting to pull starts with a bunch of = signs, the next line says " sel Information," and then is followed by another set of = signs. I want the loop to stop when it encounters the string "dumplogs"
I know both entries exist in this text file
for log in working_data:
if 'Tue Mar 14 2017 14:54:11 Normal Log cleared.' in log:
sel.append(log)
else:
sel.append('not found')
break
Sorry about the indentation. I pasted the innards of the function. print(sel) is giving me not found and I'm not sure why, because line 86l is " sel Information." Trying to get this to work in Idle, before putting it in PyCharm.
FOr reference, sel = system event log. It was declared as such:
sel = list()
working_data is a list, too.
 
DSM
This is a convenient guide to format requirements. dpaste.com is also convenient.
 
Reviewing now. Thanks, DSM.
 
DSM
In the meantime, I'm not sure I follow the logic. Say the break is indented one level: then your code will only ever read the first element of working_data, which doesn't make sense. So say it's at the level of sel.append('not found') -- then your code will stop immediately after the first element not containing 'Tue Mar..', and nothing you've said says that the first element contains that anyhow.
 
for log in working_data:
    if 'Tue Mar 14 2017 14:54:11 Normal Log cleared.' in log:
        sel.append(log)
    else:
        sel.append('not found')
        break
 
DSM
if sel winds up being ['not found'], that just means the first element doesn't contain the string you've specified in the first branch.
 
2:05 AM
True, that was a derp out of frustration
I added that in order to append something, as the code above wasn't working
It returns as an empty list
 
DSM
Then none of the rows contain that string. What's the problem?
 
I did an exact copy/paste from the log
I'm looking at it now
Short snippet:

===============================================================================
sel Information
===============================================================================
Tue Mar 14 2017 14:54:11 Normal Log cleared.
Ideally, I want to parse for sel Information, not the string that starts it. Otherwise, the function would only work for the single log file
 
DSM
I'm confused again. What part of the code that you posted isn't real? The whole second branch?
 
Sorry, let me try like this:
sel = list()
def GetSel(working_data, sel):
    for line in working_data:
        if ' sel Information' in line:
            sel.append('we started')
            while not line.contains('dumplogs'):
                sel.append(line)
            return sel
        else:
            continue
I've poked at this for so long my PyCharm code had an edit, too
replace sel.append('we started') with sel.append(line)
 
DSM
(1) you have a space before "sel" which doesn't seem to exist in your file. (2) strings don't have a contains method in Python, so I'm pretty sure that line's never been executed.
 
2:13 AM
THe text file is odd, because here's the copy/paste " sel Information"
 
DSM
(3) line is constant inside your loop, so I'm not sure what your while loop is trying to do.
 
def GetSel(working_data, sel):
    for line in working_data:
        if 'sel Information' in line:
            sel.append(line)
        else:
            continue
        return sel
Fails too
COuld my problem be the return location?
 
DSM
Well, that will return after the very first loop where 'sel Information' is in the line (assuming the indentation is correct.) And the file you posted above does not have an initial space.
Again, line.contains won't work in Python, you should get an error like
    while not line.contains('dumplogs'):
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'contains'
 
shy of attaching the log file itself, not sure how to show you. Not debating about the .contains() function. I got my wires crossed with Java
I'll have to address that separately with something like a if 'blah' in...
 
DSM
So I'm confident that line was never executed, which means that ' sel Information' was not in any element of working_data, regardless of how confident you are otherwise. :-)
 
2:17 AM
Which makes perfect sense, I agree. but it fails, space or no space
If you were trying to pull the data that exists between:
===============================================================================
sel Information
===============================================================================

and

$ dumplogs

Can I ask how you would approach it?
 
DSM
(1) Are you sure that working_data is what you think it is and you're not iterating over characters in a string instead of lines in a file? (2) Could you anonymize the first few rows of the file and dpaste or gist it?
 
type(working_data) returns as a list
 
DSM
Insufficient. Could be a list of characters.
 
AH ok, tracking.
I'm still green enough to have not touched gist or dpaste. I'm learning this stuff outside my job and haven't started school yet. I'd have to give it a quick Google
 
DSM
dpaste is easy enough -- you just go there, paste something, click submit, and it gives you a temporary URL.
 
2:21 AM
Oh yeah, lol, looking at it now
413 Request Entity Too Large
let me snip
 
DSM
Don't forget to anonymize if any of the data needs to be secret!
Anyway, there are lots of ways to extract the data, depending on whether the file is small enough you can read it all into memory at once, whether you're familiar with regular expressions or prefer basic string methods, etc.
 
I'm just starting with regex
Does that help?
 
DSM
Yeah, 'cause now I can try your code for myself. :-)
 
Goal is to pull all the stuff between sel information and $ dumplogs
The total log is ridiculously huge, like 100k lines huge
 
DSM
One problem is that the best "natural" ways to do it use tools you might not be familiar with yet. :-/
 
2:27 AM
That'll come with time, hopefully! lol :-)
At my current level, the only solution I see is a nested loop
 
DSM
Do you know about enumerate? next?
 
No, but I can look into them.
Looking at the Python 3 docs
running :print(working_data[35])
gives me this:
Current DNS Server 2 = 10.14.176.2

JUst pickeda number at random
 
DSM
Okay, here is a deliberately very basic way to do what you're looking for. It's not really how you'd do it with Python, it's more like another language written in Python, but you should be able to follow it. The only thing which isn't obvious which you don't know yet is enumerate, which returns an iterator over index/value pairs in a sequence.
 
It looks like it would be helpful, once I get a handle on it.
 
DSM
The basic idea in this approach is to loop over every row and stop when we find one containing "sel Information", which tells us where we want to start, and then do the same with "$ dumplogs", which tells us where we want to end. Then we just slice working_data from the start (+2 'cause we want to skip the ===== row) to the end.
 
2:43 AM
Looks like it does exactly what I want. I'llhave to look at your code example and wrap my head aroundit
 
DSM
One improvement would be to combine the two loops into one. The next would be to realize we don't actually need to keep track of the indices, we can just advance an iterator over the object itself, but that might be a little too magical at this stage.
 
Pff, you already Dumbledore'd my ass :-)
I really appreciate it, dude. Thank you.
Is there a way to give you credit here, like on the regular pages?
 
DSM
No need. Just don't settle for writing Java in Python, even if that's a reasonable place to start -- Python has a different set of idioms, and many of them will help you write cleaner code.
 
End goal is to be a good programmer and get a job in the field. Gonna mean a lot of time learning multiple languages.Fortunately, I have some time.
Have a good night!
 
@PM2Ring Thanks for your help!
 
3:40 AM
Is good try to learn multiples programming languages? Won't be better specialize in one?
 
 
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5:39 AM
@EnderLook "why should I learn to use the screwdriver? Won't it be better to specialize just in hammer"
The concept known as the law of the instrument, otherwise known as the law of the hammer, Maslow's hammer (or gavel), or the golden hammer, is a cognitive bias that involves an over-reliance on a familiar tool. As Abraham Maslow said in 1966, "I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail." The concept is attributed both to Maslow and to Abraham Kaplan, although the hammer and nail line may not be original to either of them. It has in fact been attributed "to everyone from Buddha to Bernard Baruch". Mark Twain has sometimes been credited...
 
there are several files in a directory like somename_YYYYMMDD.csv. I need to parse them 1 by 1. In increasing order of date, along with previous day file. example friday file is the previous day file for monday.
 
isn't it simple, you just sort them by the date string in increasing order.
now, for the "previous day file" does it mean that the preceding file is always the previous day file?
i.e. there is no sat or sun, or that there is no gap that you would have to take into account?
if that's the case then just sort them into a list, then iterate by index and take ith and i+1th file.
@pythonRcpp ^
 
6:12 AM
@AnttiHaapala yes basically I needed a sorted list of files and previous file is always i-1 th. to create a list of filenames sorted by date (date within filename) is a bit tricky.
 
first google match when one knows how to write the search
"regex parse filename date python"
 
@AnttiHaapala I know how to extract dates from filename and sort them , but stuck at sorting filename
 
what do you mean?
 
I think this is what I needed stackoverflow.com/questions/17919289/… thanks
 
because your date is in format YYYYMMDD then you can sort it as a string without converting to a datetime/date.
 
6:32 AM
Cabbage
@pythonRcpp You said that the file names are like "somename_YYYYMMDD.csv". Is the "somename" string the same for all the files? If so, then it's even easier.
 
@PM2Ring some regex like "*_YYYYMMDD.csv" should work. filenames are somename_YYYYMMDD.csv,someothername_YYYYMMDD.csv,some_YYYYMMDD.csv, etc
using glob I can get all *_YYYYMMDD.csv filenames
 
@pythonRcpp Ok. But you don't need regex for this, you can just use the standard string .split method.
Is there only a single _ in the filenames?
Actually, here's code that will work even if there are multiple underscores. If lst is the list of filename strings, then lst.sort(key=str.split('_')[-1]) will sort it in-place.
 
:38299757 >>> mylist
['something_20170725.csv', 'some_20170724.csv', 's_20160524.csv']
>>> mylist.sort(key=str.split('_')[-1])
 
 
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8:04 AM
@MooingRawr Very delayed, but yeah ouch. In my instance though, on a fair bit more (that does seem low on your end! London UK is c£28k for a junior with no experience and a compsci degree, or no degreee and a year's experience, ime) But going up 2x on my salary from here for 100x the hassle and stress is a bad tradeoff.
 
8:38 AM
Cabbage!
 
I use df['acc']=df.index to change index to column, but missing the way to have this as 1st column
I dont want to make a list of columns and then use it for ordering. Since my requirement is just to shift 1 column to front
 
9:14 AM
@PM2Ring actually a regex could be useful here.
if could be used for filtering too
 
Yeah, ok. But he's already using a glob to do the filtering.
 
Hey guys
How are you all doing.
I have recently started learning python and its very handy and intresting
I have started loving the language
 
cbg
 
How is everyone doing? A friend just asked me for Python resources for someone already writing Python but wants to get better.
 
9:27 AM
We're all doing great, thanks. Wbu?
 
Started a new job at Peer5, having fun :)
 
I am good thanks for asking
BTW Is anyone aware of the NLP and Deep learning here?
 
yes,but those are very different things...
 
@Aslam If you've got any question, ask it directly! In that way many of us who know something related to the question (but not the topic) can also help :)
 
Yes I have chosed python for NLP and deep learning. But I am having issue with selecting best approach for a problem where I wanted to make a system which can find similar products
Like there are different cakes
No if I select one of the cake I need to know for same products what are the prices in different shopes
 
user6845426
9:32 AM
You're making me hungry
 
I have collected around 10000 records
@dipper Hehehe :p
 
@Aslam so clustering
 
Yes kind of
 
I've worked for a company that does NLP (a little with Python) for 5 years. What's up?
 
user6845426
What does the data consist of?
 
9:34 AM
I have to admit, I'm far from an expert, and the whole field was revolutionized in the past few years. So my advice might only be applicable for getting you good, but not cutting edge results.
Also, can anyone recommend python resources for becoming a better Python developer for people already doing Python
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Nice to hear that.
 
Is my requiement makes sense ?
 
If you're willing to do the introductory course on Coursera it can hep you a lot
 
@dipper Data consists of different varity of products like cakes sweet
candi
 
9:36 AM
Otherwise do the NLTK tutorial, it covers clustering.
 
Hmm.somewhere I read that if we are going to make a professional app we need to use Spacy instead of NLTK
also I am getting confuse which libraries to use like there is word2vec, gensim
 
You likely need to use TensorFlow and express your problem as a network.
But it depends on what you're trying to do, and how accurate you need it to be?
 
user6845426
@BenjaminGruenbaum TensorFlow is for OCR right?
 
user6845426
@Aslam can you explain how you envision this system to work? How are you collecting the data? Do you have data for different stores or do you have generic 'cake' data which you then want to compare with x amount of stores?
 
It sounds a bit like you're trying to optimise before you start building tbh
 
9:46 AM
@dipper can you explain how you envision this system to work? How are you collecting the data? Do you have data for different stores or do you have generic 'cake' data which you then want to compare with x amount of stores?
 
@dipper TensorFlow is for neural networks, which can be used in various ways - one of the tasks you can do with TensorFlow is OCR, but it's also often used for general vision tasks and for NLP
But this sounds like basic clustering with TF-IDF and bag of words. You can do this with NLTK and optimize to smarter clustering later on. It's either having something working with NLTK after a day or two or use TensorFlow and get something that's slightly better but would take you 2-3 weeks to make.
 
can you explain how you envision this system to work?
>> After I selected a product from a list I will click on a button and the system should check similar products whos match should be exact or above 90%
Do you have data for different stores or do you have generic 'cake' data which you then want to compare with x amount of stores?

>> I have data from different stores which are not unique
 
That's really simple textbook clustering with TF-IDF, you can safely use a package for that, or even a django plugin
Read about TF-IDF, it's pretty simple for your cake's description document
 
But There are other products also like grocery items, choclates, candies and so on
Do you have a suggestion for any links which you would recommend to solve this kind of problems?
 
user6845426
It'll be the same principle
 
10:00 AM
Do you have a suggestion for any links which you would recommend to solve this kind of problems?
 
@Aslam the NLTK documentation
I can recommend high level resources that explain the math behind it, but I don't think they'll be useful to you at all.
I recommend the Coursera machine learning course - there is also a good one by an Irani professor that's pretty good on youtube I can find.
But just for clustering groups - I'd likely use a ready made solution and not bother understanding the math. The math is actually hard if you don't have a strong mathematical background (a CS degree might be enough)
 
OK thank you
 
10:15 AM
Sure, good luck
 
10:33 AM
gooooood mooooooorniiiiiiing
 
morning cabbage
 
o/
 
I have water ice <3
 
cbg
 
water ice? is it better than ice water?
 
10:43 AM
it's also better than methane ice, depending on your requirements
 
These thingies:
 
oooh. I love learning what they are called around the world!
we call them "freezies" here.
 
interesting names for a bag of flavoured sugary water
 
TO THE PEDIA OF WIKI!
A freezie, freeze pop (United States), freezer pop, ice-pole, pop stick, icy-pole, ice pop, tip top, chihiro (Cayman Islands), ice candy (Philippines), aiskrim Malaysia or potong (Malaysia) is a water-based frozen snack. It is made by freezing flavored liquid such as sugar water, fruit juice or purée inside a plastic casing or tube, either round or flat. Prominent brands include Fun Pops, La Fiesta, California Snow, Otter Pops, Ice Tickles, Calippo, Fla-Vor-Ice, Chilly Willy (after the cartoon penguin of the same name), Pop-ice, Foxy Pop, (in the UK, Ireland, Canada and France) Mr Freeze, and Bon...
 
In India - bengal state we call it as pepsi ice cream.. though I know it's wrong name.
 
10:52 AM
that's interesting
I'm going to ask my cousin what he calls it
 
Your cousin is from bengal ?
 
nono
My vague statement did seem like that hehe.
 
Ok
 
hehe :D
 
11:11 AM
guys
needed some help
do you know what's the best way to parse an unstructured XML?
 
use an XML parser?
 
The tags have to be really standard with ET
The XML i'm using has tags lying all over the place
 
what do yours look like then..?
 
it starts with <page>
<body>
<para>
 
How is that not standard XML?
 
11:13 AM
it's really standard till here
but what I want is the text which is in the child tags
*text and the attributes of the text
the attributes are present in the XML
 
still sounds like an XML parser is what you need
 
i am trying to create a dictionary on the document
yeah yeah! ET is an xml parser
 
Either you have valid XML or not. If the XML is valid, then you can use a parser, if it’s not, you have broken document.
 
but ET does not allow you to find all the text in its children node
 
then use something else
if you think you can't do it that way
 
11:15 AM
im on it
 
you can use lxml, you can even use beautifulsoup I think?
 
beautifulsoup is what i was thinking
 
and like poke said, you either have valid xml or you don't.
 
thanks though
the xml is valid
that im certain
 
on that note...time to get my day started
rbrb for now
 
11:38 AM
Cbg
 
12:08 PM
Is there a way to migrate an answer from a question to another other than copy-and-delete?
For example if you answer a question, and then find an older and better written question of the same subject, with no proper answers and wish to move the answer there, marking the more recent as a dupe.
 
questions can be merged by mods
 
I have a quick question: To create a client-server setup with javascript in the client (web application) and python as server (with e.g. flask): I assume this is incredibly complicated...?
 
if that seems like a reasonable course of action, flag for that
 
I could also just mark the older as a dupe of the new one.
 
@Alex Depends on your definition of “incredibly complication”.
 
12:12 PM
But I'd feel bad about it as the older is better written :P
 
@poke: Well, I tried three different approaches - none of them worked. I asked three questions in SO - no workable answer yet. I just want to have some javascript to work in a browser which is sending/receiving data from the python server to plot graphics etc.
 
@poke so was that a direct translation from "Wasser Eis"? And tangentially related follow-up: can you hear the difference between ss and scharfes s? So would "waßer" sound differently?
@IljaEverilä yeah, the better one should be the target
I think you should either flag for a merge, or just delete-repost-dupe
 
I think I'll go with the latter.
 
@Alex I haven’t looked at your questions yet, but they are probably too broad and unspecific. There are surely guides available somewhere how to set up a simple Flask server, and how to consume an API with some JavaScript.
 
Yes there are guide with examples. But none of them work!!
@poke
 
12:15 PM
they must all be broken
 
That is what I have tried
And nobody seems to be able to help. I have to wait 24 hours to start a bounty ...
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah, “Wassereis” is literal “water ice”. And yeah, you can hear the difference between ß and ss. It hasn’t always been like that. In “the Old Spelling” (“alte Rechtschreibung”, basically the old ruleset of the German language) we had a lot more ß where the sound was different, but nowadays, ss usually means a fast sound while ß is more slow or soft.
 
neat, thanks :)
 
Trying to come up with an English example of that difference right now.
Maybe the t in butter and muted – obviously, the sound is also a bit different here, but I’m more about the speed of the sound here. The tt is faster, like the ss, while the single t or the ß takes more time
 
@poke Maybe you know of even a different way (framework) on how to do the client server communication besides flask? Maybe there is something else I can try? That way, I can ask yet another question (as it won't work anyway...)
 
12:18 PM
if the next question is as broad as this one, you shouldn't ask
try to narrow it down
 
@andr
 
the gist of your question seems to be
> Is there no example existing somewhere, which actually is working? Just one example would be enough showing the a principal way of having a javascript code to communicate with python code, and the other way around. If you have such an example, please provide it, or send a link, or anything.
 
@AndrasDeak: I am just looking for a complete and working code example on having a client (javascript) communicate with a python server. Maybe that is a bad idea all along, but I do not know...
 
there's also a block of code that doesn't work but even your answerer didn't seem to be able to answer that...?
@Alex no, it's not a bad idea, but it's not a good fit for asking on Stack Overflow
also, you can edit/delete chat messages for 2 minutes after posting
 
@AndrasDeak why not?
 
12:20 PM
@Alex Any framework works, really. You’re not the first to do client-server communication, and all servers and client-side frameworks do the job. So you’re doing something wrong. If you cannot post the error from your attempt, and you cannot figure it out yourself, then we simply cannot help you.
 
@AndrasDeak: I posted the error
 
re-cbg
 
SO is not the place to give you “working examples of X”, you are expected to do those steps yourself and if you hit an actual and concrete problem, then that’s where we can help if you give us the information about your situation.
 
@Alex if your question is about the error, remove all the fluff about people "just giving you a working example".
 
I posted actual code and described the problem
 
12:21 PM
But pasting a bunch of code you don’t seem to understand yourself and saying “it doesn’t work, give me some other example please” will not get you an answer.
 
So what to do then?
 
If every tutorial you found is wrong, you're probably doing something wrong. I'd try to find this step. Perhaps learning some of the languages if you haven't done that already.
 
@Alex I don't know Flask, but surely it can't be that hard. FWIW, here's a very basic example using old-fashioned CGI that I wrote a few years ago. I's so basic that it doesn't even use the standard cgi module. stackoverflow.com/a/26059792/4014959 It's Python 2 code, but it should run on Python 3 if you fix the print statement.
 
I know how to program! I just don't know how to setup a simple example of client/server communication in this case...
 
I'm one of today's lucky 10,000 - huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/20/…
 
12:25 PM
@Alex of course you do, but you're talking about JS and python and I have no idea how many of these you speak. There are a lot of people who jump into web dev using python frameworks when they don't actually know python, so don't take my question as anything personal
 
@PM2Ring Thaks for the article, I will give it a try
 
@Alex you should be able to do that in < 20 lines of code. Less, if you're using jquery
 
@WayneWerner: Yes I should be. But it just does not work. I do not receive any data on the python side. As I explained in the last question I posted.
 
@idjaw I call them otter pops, because that's the brand
 
I updated the question to make it a very specific question
 
12:29 PM
at least the brand I consumed copious amounts of :D
 
@Alex I'm not suggesting that you should use old-fashioned CGI, unless your needs are very simple. OTOH, CGI is easier to learn than a framework like Flask, and the Python cgi module has some nice features. But CGI is a PITA for doing anything more complicated than reading a form or a a button & responding to it.
 
Now its a specific programming question, and should be more suitable for SO
 
@Alex Mind linking me?
 
@WayneWerner What do you mean by 'linking me'?
 
to the question - cause I don't see one
 
12:30 PM
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Q: Why does the javascript/flask client/server setup returns NONE on the python side?

AlexI would like to setup a simple way of having javascript in a client web page to communicate with a python server. The final goal is to create a simple web-browser based game for 2-4 players which access some page, and where they can do something (and see some graphics generated by three.js). Ther...

 
for future reference: using the flask tag can help with flask questions
 
yes, ok
Where to ask to get input on that frameworks/tools to use when you do not know a lot of tools yourself?
software recommendations?
 
12:45 PM
@Alex Here is a very simplistic Flask API example that works out of the box: gist.github.com/poke/a4af58584d56d3d3c4e61db89455dd63
 
@poke With that example I get a "500 Internal server error"...
( I see to attract errors and problems like a magnet...)
seem
 
“I know how to program!” – But you apparently don’t know how to debug, if “500 Internal server error” is all you see.
Really, look at things. There is more information out there.
 
I found it; the index.html was expected in the . folder
See, I know something of programming. Web page works now
Yes, now I seem to receive the output on the server side. Thanks! Now I see if I can do the other around myself!
 
Hmm yesterday through flawless deductive abilities* I decided that WidgetAccess.dll was the cause of all the mysterious errors my work project has been having. Today I have determined that WidgetAccess.dll is not actually present anywhere in the project.
(*i.e. it was the first guess I came up with that sounded remotely plausible)
I may need to revise my conclusion a little bit
@vaultah Ooh, I wish I had remembered that converting to list is unnecessary if you're just going to unpack the zip object anyway. I acknowledge the superiority of your approach.
 
1:05 PM
@poke: Again: Thanks, so far the only thing I wanted! This little example is working, and now I work from there outwards to whatever I need!
 
Sure, good luck with that!
 
morning everyone
 
cbg corvid
 
@Kevin It's not just unnecessary, it's slower, and consumes more RAM. ;) BTW, I figured out a workaround for that Tkinter locale bug I mentioned last night. stackoverflow.com/questions/45289237/…
 
Current number of consecutive times I have posted on the main site and then thought "why did I even bother" and self-deleted: [3]
 
1:21 PM
\o cbg
 
why does it simultaneously seem like front-end development is the most popular, and that there are never enough front end devs for all available roles?
 
Both observations can be valid, for example in an environment where 90% of the programmer supply is front end devs, but 99% of the demand is for front end devs
Everywhere you look you see front end devs, but there still isn't enough for every job
 
There are also more jobs in general than people available.
 
very good frontend dev is quite rare
 
cbg all
 
1:31 PM
cabbage
 
I don't really understand... I feel like React is maybe 2-3 weeks to learn to a competent level because the API is pretty thin
 
Does anyone know how to insert zip files in sqlite using sqlalchemy?
 
you feel it wrong ;d
 
I tried using BLOB
 
@corvid For React that is true. But “React” usually means React + the whole ecosystem.
 
1:32 PM
but it throws an error
 
And the error is?
 
authentication failed
:D
 
:-I
 
connection failed
database does not exist
python: command not found
 
just a moment
 
1:33 PM
(we’re so silly)
 
"If you'd like to make a call, please hang up and try again"
 
If you need help hang up and then dial the ooooooperator!
 
This pot roast is really demanding a lot of attention
 
ohhhperator?
Can I just point out that we still weren’t told the error message?
 
maybe fixing connection solved a problem 8-)
 
1:45 PM
Apropos connection: I can proudly announce that my connections are now thread-safe. I’ve fixed that leak from last week now.
 
I often wish that all help-seekers would give their complete attention to the room and have all relevant code snippets and error messages ready beforehand but I get the feeling that it's unreasonable to expect that in a world full of distractions where the baby is crying in the other room and the oven is on fire and the boss keeps peeking into your cubicle to see how productive you're being and considers an open chat window unproductive even if it's exactly what is needed to solve the problem
 
I really don’t want to see your workplace Kevin.
 
cook in nursery school
 
I never have any of these problems but I assume they must be common considering how many help-seekers leave us hanging for 5+ minutes
 
they have demanding work
not like us
so we can watch the chat all the time
 
1:48 PM
I can’t.
 
You may also be seeing some level of embarrassment, since many of these questions have pretty obvious solutions. Easier to just leave the chat than to post "Oh, my bad, I misspelled 'dict', what was I thinking?"
 
If you still feel the human emotion of embarrassment then you aren't yet robotlike enough to become a proper programmer
 
I’m so productive today, I’m currently thinking about ways to misspell “dict”…
 
Perhaps "bict" if you're dyslexic
 
dickt
 

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