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12:21 AM
How do i get an object from a json object that is an array?
so it starts with [] not {}
 
iterate over it like a list?
 
Have you used the json module to convert the raw JSON to a Python dict?
cbg, btw
I'm like the fog, I come in on little cabbage feet
 
Using json.loads right?
 
Yes
Or if it is just a JSON array, should give a list - 1 sec
>>> import json
>>> json.loads("[1,2,3]")
[1, 2, 3]
Voila!
@ChrisEthanFox this is the part where you say "Thanks PaulMcG, that's just what I needed!" or "Didn't you read my question? I clearly was looking for something different!"
 
Its a single array I need a specific object
I just got back from get chicken nuggets
getting*
So the way the json file is structured is
[ {
  "irc_server" : null,
  "ssh_keys" : [ ],
  "branches" : {
    "master" : {
      "running_builds" : [ ],
      "recent_builds" : [ {
        "outcome" : "no_tests",
        "status" : "no_tests",
        "build_num" : 1,
        "vcs_revision" : "748f8679cfc850582e3ada08210d8566a291328c",
        "pushed_at" : "2017-07-21T03:39:46.230Z",
        "added_at" : "2017-07-21T03:36:24.657Z"
      } ],
      "last_non_success" : {
        "outcome" : "no_tests",
        "status" : "no_tests",
        "build_num" : 1,
 
12:36 AM
someone just answered your question
 
>>> list_o_stuff = json.loads("[1,2,3]")
>>> list_o_stuff[1]
2
Now instead of "1,2,3", your string contains several objects - but the way to get them is the same.
 
Yeah
Its the same so i just do json.loads(list_o_stuff[1])?
 
no
 
and then get the specific object from there ?
FUCK
 
the list_o_stuff that you are putting in json.loads is a string
json.loads(list_o_stuff) will give you a list
inside that list are the dictionaries
 
12:39 AM
@idjaw - list_o_stuff is not a string, its the list you get from json.loads'ing the string
 
I was getting it from his example
json.loads(list_o_stuff[1])
your example was correct, Paul. based on your example list_o_stuff will be the list
 
so basically i have to load 1 of the arrays and then load the json objects from that array?
 
Technically, what you load is a string that is formatted in JSON to contain an array of objects. What you will get will be a Python list of nested dicts.
 
I found a solution
Printing the array as
 
Stop, please don't print the array
 
12:43 AM
no
jsondata[0]['reponame']
Fixed the issue
 
Boo-yah!
 
Im sorry to have confused you
Thanks for the help though.
 
You are not the first, and won't be the last
yw
 
@ChrisEthanFox Did you read the answer to your question you asked
 
12:45 AM
I found a Mozilla package that uses pyparsing to parse SQL, just released yesterday
 
The stack over flow question?
 
that was exactly what the answerer provided
 
Or the one i posted here in the chat?
 
no the SO question
which is the exact question you asked here
 
Yeah that fixed the issue
yeah
 
12:46 AM
 
Yeah that question
it fixed the issue
Should i keep that quesiton or delete it?
for future refrence
 
Why delete
 
keep the question. Accept it.
 
ok
thanks guys
Ill be back in a few min to ask another question because i got stuck again :)
 
Also. A couple of things to note here.
1. There is no such thing as a JSON object in Python
2. In your file you have a string
3. When you read your file and use json.load(f). Where f is your file object, you will then have a Python data structure. In this case the Python data structure is a list of dictionaries.
 
12:49 AM
 
From there, your approach should have been to know how to iterate over a list of dictionaries to access the contents of the dictionaries
 
cbg
 
ultimately, the question you were looking for was "how to load json data in to python and iterate"
something like that
Also, you should break your problem down more. And use a debugger, or print more lines out to see what is going on.
cbg @Marcus
@PaulMcG which one do you think would be better, yours or this
we should probably dupe it
 
I think the one I found would have answered CEF's question - let's close his as dupe. I'll kick it off
 
ok
 
12:53 AM
done
 
hehe, I just realize I don't really see your name a lot when the dupe hammer comes up
 
I'm not as quick as others at finding dupes - this one struck me as likely to be already covered
And I didn't realize I could close the question solo - all those rep are good for somethin
 
haha yeah. You have the gold badge
you can go around and just swing that hammer all you want now
 
ill delete it
 
no
don't
 
12:57 AM
its a dupe
 
that's fine
 
I'm not clear myself on the protocol of delete vs close, etc.
As we were just saying, I'm not often involved with the dupe-closing process
 
if you accepted an answer and try to delete. bad form. I actually don't know if you can delete a question after accepting it.
But, yeah, don't do that.
Also, a dupe does not mean it is a bad question and should not have been asked.
 
And eat your salad with the little fork - so many rules!
 
1:00 AM
A lot of the reasoning is that for whatever reason you could not find your answer, but it does exist there, and so now your keyword in your question are now added to the pool of that subject
 
makes sense
I have another question ;p
and yeah i tried googling it but its really specific
if that json array count is constantly changin how can i account for that?
so how can i get the amount of arrays in the json and get the objects
 
Once you have json.loads'ed the string, you can forget about the JSON - you will just have a list of dicts
 
right now im doing print(jsonobj[0]['reponame']) and print(jsonobj[1]['reponame'])
 
yes. this is what I wrote to you before
there is NO json in python
 
Google for how to iterate over a Python list
 
1:04 AM
which I also explained
 
never used a for loop before
 
then for each obj in the list, you can print(obj['reponame'])
 
If you never used a for loop before, and you are dealing with data structures like this
you need to learn how
you need to go through proper tutorials to learn these fundamentals
 
(At least you are using Python 3, well done with that)
 
1:06 AM
I learn as i go
i'll
 
But you will get frustrated quickly if you don't learn a few basic tools first
 
You're right about that i am pretty frustrated at how easily i keep getting stuck
 
exactly. Because you don't know the basics
you need to learn this stuff.
 
Any tutorial that covers lists and dicts, and basic control structures (if-else, for, while) should take an hour or less.
I think working with json.loads'ed structures will give you good fodder for working with list, dict, and for examples.
 
even the official python tutorial
 
1:16 AM
I wonder how many hours it took me to finally understand all the reasoning behind seeral languages.
probably spent well over 10 thousand hours learning programming paradigms etc.
 
That's alot
 
Python has the "problem" that you can do quite advanced things with just a few words. -- easy to use those; however you won't understand why you actually would "want" those features. (And worse: you won't understand when those features are less useful).
 
Would you guys say that python is plain english?
Compared to other languages
In terms on syntax complexity
 
Take for example iterating over a list in python: you'd iterate over a (range) using foreach. However I think when you start programming it is actually beneficial to first use index-based iteration -even though that isn't considered good practice in python-. Doing this will give a better understanding of how iterating works.
@ChrisEthanFox Syntactical complexity just makes no sense. - SQL has a very limited set of commands that can be used, so the syntax is never complex. However it's a language that is quite complex to read/write.
Python has very little boilerplate code that needs to be added "things just work" (just import antigravity!). This makes python easier for learning as you can really focus on the topic you're learning. Instead of having to focus on a lot of coding problems at once.
 
1:31 AM
I would say that you can get some basic Python scripts working after learning just a few keywords, and that the resulting code can read fairly English-ey.
I disagree about learning to iterate over lists using "for i in range(len(seq)): #do something with seq[i]"
I would prefer for newbies to first learn iteration, and then fall back on indexing only when necessary
So @ChrisEthanFox - what I'm suggesting is:
for obj in seq:
    # do something with obj
instead of
for i in range(len(seq)):
    # do something with seq[i]
So after you json.loads'ed your JSON string, to get a list of dicts (and please learn the vocabulary too, these are Python lists, not arrays), you could:
for obj in list_o_objects:
    print(obj['property_whose_name_ive_already_forgotten'])
rbrb for a bit...
 
The problem with that is that people start considering iteration as something "magical". By using indices (especially when implementing an algorithm) people can more easily see what happen: the "iterating" is then composed of simple blocks that can be understood.
Get boundaries, keep track of a current index (=iterator), get element behind the 'index', increment the position. These are all simple things that can be understood/looked at separately. While the idea of "iterating over all elements in a list" is an abstract idea that can be difficult to grasp when starting out.
From my time as a home tutor I've learned that staying away from abstract concepts for as long as possible helps with understanding and keeps motivation higher.
 
2:15 AM
 
<3
hehehe
 
Cro
2:59 AM
cbg
how can i log some image data to tensorboard using tflearn?
 
;). Some months ago I used to write that! Even worst, before discover that I can use the `i` of `for i in seq:` I used to write:

R = 0
for x in range(len(seq)):
# do something with seq[R]
R = R + 1
mmm, Why my text isn't showed like code???
 
Cro
you should post the code somewhere else if you encountered a problem like that
 
3:53 AM
@EnderLook - post the code as its own message, and click the "fixed font" button (or Ctrl-K)
But you can't mix text and fixed font code in the same message.
 
ahh, thanks.
 
dododo
 
@Marcus - Twilight Zone theme?
 
nah just randomly dodododoing
 
Well, I guess it keeps you off the streets...
 
4:15 AM
Is bad use try: to check things? I mean, use try: and except means that the program get an error and you are trying to avoid it. I always try to avoid that, I only used try one time... or two.
 
No it isn't bad, and in many cases, it is better than doing lots of pre-conditions before doing something that may have raise an exception.
There are two philosophies on this, and they go by the names of "Look Before You Leap" (LBYL) and "Easier to ask forgiveness than permission" (EAFP).
These names come from some colloquial sayings in English, so if this is English is not your first language, don't worry about it.
LBYL is the philosophy of pre-testing before doing something that might raise an exception
Say s is a variable and you think it contains all numeric digits, so you want to convert to an int using int(s)
If s is "12345", you get the integer 12345 and all will be good.
But if s is "ZYXWVUT", then you will get an exception (ValueError, I think)
LBYL would be to test for s.isdigit()before doing the conversion. isdigit() only returns true if all the characters are numeric digits
somemthing like:
if s.isdigit():
    value = int(s)
else:
    print('thats not a valid int')
EAFP would be to use try-except syntax, as if you are asking "forgiveness" for doing something, well, exceptional:
try:
    value = int(s)
except ValueError:
    print('thats not a valid int')
Note that we have a subtle bug in our LBYL approach. isdigit only accepts numeric characters. What if s is the string "-10"? If you are converting values that can be negative, then that is a perfectly valid int-convertable string.
Here's another case: suppose you were going to evaluate a/b. By LBYL, we would check if b is 0 before doing the division.
But what if our expression was a/(b*c*d*(e-3))?
Now we have a pretty complicated condition: if b==0 or c==0 or d==0 or e==3, and if the formula changes further in the future, we have to maintain the if conditionn too.
Easier to write in a try: and catch ZeroDivisionError using an except:
@EnderLook Did that make sense?
 
5:01 AM
Is there ever a situation in which you can do a.b() = c?
 
@PaulMcG Yes, I understand. Thanks for your explanation.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:26 AM
cbg all
Ah, finally a good answer badge for an actually good answer! stackoverflow.com/help/badges/24/good-answer?userid=2689986
The first one felt a bit undeserved...
 
 
2 hours later…
8:55 AM
@AshishNitinPatil 6 more for the populist gold badge
 
9:46 AM
@BhargavRao Ooh, didn't notice. Thanks for that!
Slightly meta question - Do questions like these belong on SO, if not, where exactly do they belong? Basically, a quick-start guide for a bit more than beginners.
-5
Q: How to build a screen reader for my native language?

GentaI just started learning Python and I want to build a screen reader for my people in my country? Can somebody tell me how to do it ? I just need to know an overall explanation what should I learn so then I'll put the pieces together myself. Google won't help me, so I came here to ask help from you...

Surely someone somewhere might have a blogpost for the same. But that's not always the case. And even if it is, those blogposts are at times hard to find or not that great altogether.
 
10:25 AM
The question is too broad for SO, and I'm not sure it would be on-topic on any SE site, at least in it's current form
 
is it faster to try to create unique field and catch error if duplicate, or to check first
I guess with checking theres also a race case
 
@AshishNitinPatil it has been advised to ask similar questions in chat meta.stackexchange.com/q/250899/260312
 
@vaultah Yeah, makes sense. Thanks for the link.
@Tobiq Race case will be there irrespective of your error handling / duplicacy check. Uniqueness needs to be defined at DB level for avoiding such race conditions.
 
The fields are already unique, but if i apply the check in my application before applying, then theres a race case in the application...
so just catch error?
 
Seems good to me
Double checking is needed if you are doing something else (e.g. generating / calculating some other fields) with the unique field in your code. Otherwise DB error handling seems okay.
 
11:09 AM
recbg
@AshishNitinPatil you can tell them to come to the chat, except if they're completely hopeless, like
"I am in the third grade lulz and I wanna build a nucular fusion reaktor"
thanks ;)
 
@AnttiHaapala Gotta give credit to Kim Jong Un Jr. for trying :-p
 
11:24 AM
@AshishNitinPatil I was going to upvote your answer to help you to get the populist, but my finger paralysed when I realized that you were writing python2 :P
 
haha, I need to update my answer then :-p
 
nudgenudge
 
11:42 AM
ANyone have tips on password hashing,
Like, properly secure

I used bcrypt last time, serverside
is that good?
it was like 8 rounds or so
then transmit passwords raw text via https
so no sniff
 
Django's password mgmt is quite good -
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/topics/auth/passwords/
Ah, then try the javascript chatroom?
@AnttiHaapala done & tested :D Also added a warning for a weird issue I incurred during the testing
 
:P
you need only 4
 
hehe
But, for some reason the existing session object returns the same IP :/
 
I think I've read about that somewhere.......
like a loooooooooong time ago
 
Ooh, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I thought it was because the signal took some time to process, but it's not just that I think.
>>> print(session.get("http://httpbin.org/ip").text)
{"origin": "185.113.128.234"}
>>> renew_connection()
>>> print(session.get("http://httpbin.org/ip").text)
{"origin": "37.187.129.166"}
>>> print(session.get("http://httpbin.org/ip").text)
{"origin": "37.187.129.166"}
>>> renew_connection()
>>> print(session.get("http://httpbin.org/ip").text)
{"origin": "37.187.129.166"}
>>> print(session.get("http://httpbin.org/ip").text)
{"origin": "37.187.129.166"}
I think it has something to do with the connection pooling it uses under the hood.
But still weird that a socks proxy routed through Tor, even if the connection is renewed, will continue to persist the connection. Need to post to the tor IRC.
 
11:58 AM
Why is it bad to hash client side!?
its transmitted over https
 
@Tobiq If you really want to learn about best practice in password handling, take a look at the Cryptography and the Information Security Stack Exchange sites.
 
do you know why?
 
I hate the dutch weather.
 
@Tobiq You need to use a random salt that you control when you're hashing passwords, and you want to save that salt in your database on the server, so there's no point doing the hashing on the client side.
 
yh i thought
 
12:11 PM
Yay! An answerer responded to my comment about calling lists arrays:
Python's arrays can only be used for numeric data. Perhaps you meant list... — PM 2Ring 20 hours ago
 
12:39 PM
@Marcus No, because a Python assignment statement binds an object to a name, with the name(s) on the LHS and the object(s) on the RHS, and there's no way for a Python expression to return a name. This is another one of those situations where you need to remember that "Other languages have variables, Python has names".
The code below doesn't do a method call, but it's kinda relevant to your question.
stuff = [a, b, c] = [[None], [None], [None]]
print(stuff, a, b, c)
for i, u in enumerate(stuff):
    u.append(i)
print(stuff, a, b, c)
stuff[:] = [[3], [4], [5]]
print(stuff, a, b, c)
#output
[[None], [None], [None]] [None] [None] [None]
[[None, 0], [None, 1], [None, 2]] [None, 0] [None, 1] [None, 2]
[[4], [5], [6]] [None, 0] [None, 1] [None, 2]
@oso9817 You may be interested in this case-insensitive string class I wrote: case_insensitive_string.py
 
1:15 PM
Sunday morning cbg
 
I should've said: "The code below doesn't do a method call on the LHS of an assignment".
Hi, idjaw.
 
1:28 PM
I have to be honest, I'm kinda excited about getting the gold badge.
I'm much closer :D
 
Jul 19 at 19:32, by PM 2Ring
Hey @idjaw Here's an interesting post related to the topic of your canonical, about shadowing a standard module name when you give your script the same name as the module: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45199429/python-import-shadowing-different-b‌​etween-3-4-6-and-3-5-2
I guess I figured it out, but the answer isn't very interesting
 
@vaultah congratulations on sticking with it and doing it! Reading it now
 
@vaultah Nice work.
 
@vaultah That actually was an interesting answer. 😀
I remember reading that import order somewhere once upon a time, but had completely forgotten about that.
 
Well, thank you :)
 
1:41 PM
I'm embarrassed to admit that I'd forgotten that built-in modules even exist...
It's a little odd that time isn't a built-in module in 3.4. I just checked using python -c "import sys; print(sys.builtin_module_names)" and it's built-in to 2.6, 3.1, and 3.6, but not 2.5. OTOH, the lists of built-in modules do seem fairly arbitrary.
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
1:51 PM
 
@MartijnPieters how long have you had that one tucked away? 😛
hehe
 
@idjaw "since forever" badabum-ching
 
slow clap I'll give you that one.
 
2:07 PM
Unfortunate typo: Python argarse CMD line argument to a url. I guess I should fix it...
 
2:35 PM
Pleaaaase don't answer blatant dupes! Wow, 143k rep :| — Andras Deak 1 min ago
one of COLDFIRE's role models IIRC :P
can't ping them; must be the unicode
Thanks for hammer
 
:-)
 
3:13 PM
cbg
Gonna write me some asynchronous C code this week! (licks chops)
 
Yup
 
4:31 PM
@PM2Ring: retracting comments again before I can reply, eh? :-)
 
@MartijnPieters Yeah. I realised I wasn't quite right, because I forgot tuple() takes *args.
 
@AndrasDeak lol that was really silly. Good call out. haha
 
Hang on. tuple() expects a single arg...
@MartijnPieters Here's my version:
class WordTuple(tuple):
    def __new__(self, iterable):
        # Save iterable, in case it's an iterator
        iterable = tuple(iterable)
        if not all(isinstance(u, Word) for u in iterable):
            raise ValueError('WordTuple only accepts Word items')
        return super().__new__(WordTuple, iterable)
 
And tuple(i for i in range(5)) seems to work ok.
 
4:47 PM
I love this
No information to really tell what the problem is, but here we have people answering the question in a "beating around the bush" sort of way.
I find that the quintessential example of obnoxious answering. "Yeah, not enough information, but I'm first to the punch, so here we go"
 
I think the OP's name being "Pythongirl" helps the answerer's obnoxiousness in some way :-p
 
@PM2Ring right, but then you'd have to use WordTuple(('a', 'b')), so pass in a sequence, always.
 
Not sure how to handle this one, based on the resources already found: stackoverflow.com/questions/45267618/…
 
tuple() doesn't take *args, by the way.
 
@MartijnPieters Yeah, I got confused because of your use of *objs.
For those playing at home, Martijn & I are talking about this question
 
5:01 PM
Oh neat!
So, Martijn's answer seems fairly complete. Placing the check in the __new__ seems intuitive here.
 
My default assumption when Martijn & I disagree is that he's right & I'm wrong. It's generally a safe assumption. :)
 
lol.....the goal is to see how wrong.
 
But my version will work if you pass it an iterator, and his doesn't.
 
So wait, is the idea that when you instantiate WordTuple(Word('a'), Word('b')) the instance object is an iterator?
Furthermore, what if I provide a series of arguments where one is not from Word, does the whole thing fail, or just ignored and the other valid 'Word' instances get added?
 
cbg! Just have a python style question here.
Is it ever appropriate to instantiate an object and add attributes to it dynamically, or is it generally not encouraged?
 
5:06 PM
@idjaw No, a WordTuple is still a static tuple. BUt you should be able to initialize it from a generator, as well as from a list, etc.
 
I'm using a couple of classes from libraries that all share the same interface, but I wanted to add 1 extra attribute. I can only think of 3 ways: associate each object as a key in a dict of attributes, add an attribute upon inspection of whether there exists or not, or create a wrapper class that __init__s with the attribute set
 
@PM2Ring Right, But what if I pass ` WordTuple(Word('a'), Foo('c'), Word('b'))`
is the expectation to raise, or to have an instance with those Word objects?
omitting the Foo obviously
 
@idjaw THe OP says: "The elements of this custom tuple must all be of another custom class" So Martijn & I interpret that to mean if the items aren't all Word instances, the whole thing should fail with a ValueError.
 
right. yes. That is fair.
@OneRaynyDay I would say that there probably is a reason where this could be valid. However, if you already know the attributes you need then why not think of a way how you add these attributes when instantiating those classes so you have them always available to you, but just give them default empty values?
There are different ways you can approach this problem. And I think this can bring up debates for different sides of what is acceptable.
 
@PM2Ring: for an arbitrary iterable, just use WordTuple(*....).
 
5:10 PM
However, I always find it a bit odd to create an attribute in some method.
 
@MartijnPieters Ok, that works. :)
 
releasing appppppp
 
@OneRaynyDay It's quite a common practice to just add an attribute to an instance of an object returned by some library. Yes, it's probably a Good Idea to check if it already has an attribute of that name first. :)
 
hmm...I would expect that to be more like
releasing aaaaaaaaaaaapp
apppppp seems like you are just making spitting sounds with your lips
 
I see, thank you! :)
@idjaw It's a bit hard because someModule.ClassObject() does not give me any flexibility on how to initialize the object, so adding the attribute after the initialization is the next best thing
 
5:12 PM
Here's a classic example that I just referred to in a recent question:
 
@OneRaynyDay That's actually exactly what I meant. When you first instantiate it, and have the instance of that class, then you can just go ahead and add that attribute. The idea is more to have that attribute available in the "area" of the code you instantiate
 
When you create a PhotoImage inside a function or method you need to keep a reference to it, otherwise it'll get garbage-collected when the function / method returns. See the note at the end of the PhotoImage docs. — PM 2Ring 1 hour ago
 
Ah okay, gotcha :)
 
+1
 
Those Tkinter docs say to add a .photo attribute to your Widget.
If you actually want to add new attributes to the class definition so that all instances automatically get that new attribute, that's a little trickier. So the usual practice is just to add the new attribute to the instances when & if you need them.
 
5:17 PM
so nervous that this thing is going to crash or something
can anyone please download it and let me know if the ads are working at least
(i'm not allowed to look at my own as dev, and can't redeem promo code for a day)
 
No Android sorry 😬
Hmm. Someone downvoted Martijn's answer.....would love to see a counter answer or an explanation show up.
 
5:35 PM
really quick python question: can I read and append a file? I need to just read it over really quick, then append one or two things to the end?
or do I have to close the file in between and reopen it with the append flag?
 
@idjaw Weird. It can't be the guy who suggested enforcing it in the __init__ because he doesn't have enough rep to downvote. And it wasn't me, I gave him the 2nd upvote.
 
I upvoted as well
 
@AshwinGupta Open it in 'a+' mode. Or if it's a binary file 'ab+' mode.
 
file.open("file", "ra")
file.readLines() //read
file.write() //apend
@PM2Ring ah thanks
 
going out to yard work
rbrb for now
 
5:38 PM
Rhubarb, idjaw
 
That question inspired me to modify my case-insensitive string class to subclass a plain str rather than collections.UserString. It doesn't seem to make a noticeable speed difference. Only the start of the class definition needs to be changed.
class CIStr(str):
    ''' case-insensitive string '''
    def __init__(self, arg):
        self.low = str(self).casefold()
 
Man, I'm really doing things right. That's the second set of targeted downvotes today.
 
I also tried pre-computing the hash, by adding self._hash = hash(self.low) to __init__, and changing __hash__ to return self._hash, but that didn't make a noticeable speed difference either, (which I tested by calling hash100000 times in a for loop) so I decided to go with the simpler version that computes the hash on demand
@MartijnPieters Sounds like you've acquired a stalker.
Is there a name for that thing I tried to do with __hash__? It's like the inverse of an @property because it essentially converts a method call to an attribute lookup. Does Python have some more efficient way to do that?
I'm assuming it doesn't, otherwise it'd be a standard idiom for things like __hash__, or __len__ of immutable containers.
 
@PM2Ring nah, these were two separate users.
@PM2Ring what thing with __hash__, where?
That's just delegation.
 
5:54 PM
@MartijnPieters "I also tried pre-computing the hash, by adding self._hash = hash(self.low) to __init__, and changing __hash__ to return self._hash"
 
@PM2Ring caching then.
 
@MartijnPieters Rightio. But thanks for the delegation link.
 
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