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2:00 PM
@idjaw they don't deliver internationally /:
 
user6568562
I can't get an opinion about new ways of food manufacturing. New generations dwarfs older ones in height. You should see the height stats from once there was no chemical, or too little to matter.
 
user559633
I'm going to pivot my company into a startup that just emails you a recipe that I steal from idjaw.
 
user559633
if you make a pot of mujadara and pre-chop vegetables, your time investment for making meals for M-F is about 2 hours.
 
it's not stealing, you're just crowdsourcing from a single point of origin
#web3.0
 
user559633
no, that's still web 2.0: "you make the content, we keep the profits"
 
How much he got paid for that lengthy article lol
 
He apparently went from blurry to high def, but was otherwise pretty much the same.
 
@tristan The ideas I kept running through my head around doing something related to food that I never acted on. Glad you're still enjoying the recipes :)
 
user559633
@idjaw we should talk next year if you want to do a site or something
 
According to my office, today is national yelling day. Someone make it stop please.
 
user6568562
2:09 PM
You can hire me as a senior developer in about ten years
 
Have you guys heard about the git rebase strategy vs the git merge strategy? Which one do you all use?
 
Flip a coin.
 
user6568562
@Morgan So glad I don't deal with colleagues' responsibility evading syndrome , anymore
 
user559633
i rebase on pull and when the change log is pointlessly ugly and confusing
 
@corvid I default to rebase, but it's definitely not as smooth a workflow as merge.
 
2:10 PM
@corvid depends
 
@tristan awesome. :)
 
user559633
git is meant to track changes and you're doing pointless optimization if you're really concerned about the beauty of commit hashes
 
I've always learned git merge at work, not sure what the benefit of rebase is after reading the docs. Just less commits?
 
There are a bunch of weird behaviors in rebase, as far as I can tell merge always "just works".
 
user559633
@corvid fewer commits and if you had a branch that fell out of date, you can "rebase" your changes onto something more recent, instead of having lots of commits just to catch you up
 
2:11 PM
@corvid it makes a cleaner history. It allows you to base your branches off the latest master (or whatever), rather than waiting until merge to figure out if everything works.
 
I tend to use git rebase -i quite a lot
 
user6568562
If someone needs to translate english <-> french or english <-> arabic, I can be their guy.
 
@Ffisegydd yeah I do that a lot too. Especially coming from Gerrit-land
 
user559633
i have git pull aliased to git pull --rebase
 
same here
 
2:14 PM
interactive rebase is nice for incremental checkpoints before you push
 
Typically I use interactive when someone reviewing my code decides they would rather see my topic reviewed as one commit rather than split up in to smaller commits
 
@randomhopeful why do people immediately know that I learned arabic from an Egyptian guy after only a few words? (worked at an Egyptian kitchen as a teenager)
 
@tristan git config branch.autosetuprebase=always, now new branches will rebase on pull
you can go back and set this for existing branches too
 
user559633
@davidism oh cool, thanks
 
@davidism cool. thanks for that
 
2:15 PM
and there's another setting that will make pull always default to rebase, but that's apparently less safe than this?
 
user6568562
@corvid Arab counties don't speak arabic, anymore. But dialects, more or less, loosely based on the standard arab language. Egyptian have a lot of keywords that belongs only to that dialect "Maichi" "Ya walad" "Bokra", etc
 
Isn't Maichi more like Maishi?
 
Ana hota is "I am a cat", right?
 
@idjaw Exactly. Need dem rebase.
 
user6568562
@corvid Yeah. And relative to the context, it can be I'm hot (girl version)
 
2:17 PM
:D
 
oh habibi
 
user6568562
@idjaw lol It could be, yeah
 
also every Egyptian song had "habibi" in it or some word like that... I think it means "loved one"?
 
darling
my darling, my love
 
user6568562
Yeah, or just the equivalent of "baby"
 
2:19 PM
yeah
habibi is masculine, habibti is feminin
 
user6568562
If you listen to some male pop singers, they do say : habibi to reference their girlfriend. Depends on the lyrical structure, I guess
 
That is true
 
user559633
Or maybe they just have boyfriends?
 
a valid point
 
user6568562
Haha, the mufti wouldn't like it
 
user559633
2:22 PM
Does the mufti spend a lot of time thinking about what other men do with their penises?
 
who doesn't?
 
bah... ninja puppy's don't get enough references in pop songs
 
user6568562
Dude, the whole clergy is focused on that.
 
can't think why - it's a blasphemy against the rules of the Dark Council or something
 
user6568562
Where and when and under what condition you could use it. Eternity in hell is one powerful tool.
 
user6568562
2:31 PM
How many developers here are self taught? If you don't mind me asking.
 
Attempt #4 to add a horizontal scroll bar to this table. Whichever of my coworkers hardcoded the containing div width at 500 px, may justice rain swift and merciless upon them.
I went to college but 99% of the stuff I use every day is stuff I learned by myself.
 
user559633
 
user559633
bring back OG puppy
 
Unless you count "tolerating the disappointment that inevitably comes from working with others" as a skill one learns in college.
 
@randomhopeful While I did go to University for a Comp Eng degree, all my web development skills were self taught through personal interest.
I only learned Python a few years ago while working
 
2:34 PM
not "a skill", "the skill" IMHO.
 
user6568562
@Kevin Haha, I really know that feeling. Colleagues have a magic wand to throw their responsibility over someone else's shoulder.
 
@randomhopeful I'm mostly self-taught. I did attempt a few formal programming courses decades ago but I didn't complete any of them. However, I'm just an "enthusiastic amateur", I've never been employed as a programmer, and I've only done a handful of paid freelance coding jobs.
 
"when i die i want my group project members to lower me into my grave so they can let me down one last time"
4
 
@random I'm pretty much self taught.
 
user6568562
@idjaw That does encourage me to be more focused. I have to say, the resources I'm finding on Python are top notch. All issues are my own
 
user559633
2:35 PM
i'd say i'm "self taught", but for very small values of "taught"
 
Why are violin covers on YouTube all the sudden super popular?
 
The two biggest group projects I had in college were pretty smooth, actually... That might just mean I was the laziest person in the room.
 
user559633
maybe because you're searching for violin covers, which leads to the suggestion algorithm thinking you want to listen to violin covers?
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring I see. I hope I'll be able to say what you said, one day
 
2:37 PM
@corvid idk, because this piano cover is way better
 
@tristan got there from a convoluted path. SDCC on Mass Effect => Skyrim? => Malukah covering some skyrim song => violinists
@AnttiHaapala Meh, I don't really like the sound of piano :\
 
user6568562
@tristan YT search algorithm got no heart
 
user6568562
One dumb pop song gets through autoplay and your whole home page is screwed
 
@corvid that guy's ass plays the piano better than that girl plays her violin.
 
Antti does artistic critique
 
2:40 PM
@JRichardSnape so obviously you didn't watch the video that I linked.
 
I've grown really sour on violins recently because my Pandora electronic-ish station super overplayed that one violin lady to the point where I was completely sick of the instrument.
 
piano just sounds way too gentle :\ I guess that is what "piano" technically means though, otherwise it would be called a forte
 
I'm not sure how famous that one violin lady is, but I'm hoping someone can deduce her name so I don't have to look it up.
 
Lindsey Stirling?
 
2:41 PM
@AnttiHaapala To be honest, I didn't, but I was more just smiling at the directness of expression :)
 
@corvid Yeah, nice guess :-)
 
Hey @idjaw. Did you check out the song link I posted a little while ago? Here's another Etta James cover I Sing The Blues by the Danielle Nicole Band. There's some nice Les Paul gold top work on this song. Danielle is a good friend of Sam Fish, and Danielle's brother is (or was) Sam's boyfriend.
 
@corvid slap. Piano is short for pianoforte.
what do they teach you in schools there?
and pianoforte is short for gravicembalo col piano e forte
 
There's nothing objectively wrong with her work but you can only listen to the same four pieces over and over again
That's a problem with Pandora in general, I think.
 
@AnttiHaapala I know that, but I wasn't being totally serious haha. I took singing with a teacher and we did Opera in Italian so it was pretty common
@Kevin Her music sounds a little too effervescent
 
user559633
2:43 PM
@corvid it's in aggregate.
 
I need more non-vocal music.
 
@Kevin @Kevin reminds me of the quote of Vivaldi not composing 500 concertos, but rewriting the same concerto 500 times.
 
user559633
(( Malukah covering some skyrim song ) people who looked for similar music)
 
@Ffisegydd I rarely miss an opportunity to suggest this, so: Mogwai?
 
@PM2Ring oh thanks. Man Danielle Nicole has a crazy voice!
Mogwai is amazing
 
user6568562
2:44 PM
@Ffisegydd Try David August's boiler room Start it @ 3:00
 
On the topic of Mogwai, God Speed You Black Emperor is another favourite of mine
 
Semi-related, my weeaboo friend introduced me to an interesting musical genre recently:
 
user6568562
@tristan Stephan Bodzin's !! I was hesitating between him and David August to suggest
 
Metal with J-pop vocals.
 
user6568562
2:45 PM
Did you listen to his Boiler room mix ?
 
YESYESYESYES re: babymetal
 
user559633
ishome?
 
user559633
@randomhopeful i did, and will again today
 
user6568562
@tristan My man ! He's amazing. Also you need to check Stimming and David August
 
user559633
2:46 PM
disclaimer: i love fuselab stuff
 
@idjaw Yeah! I guess it helps to have a gutsy voice when you're a bass player, so you can play loud and sing even louder. :)
 
@Withnail It's surprisingly listenable.
 
wrong one
 
Like, I listen to a lot of metal anyway, as well as a lot of cheese, and this totally hits the sweet spot. Oddly, it fills a similar use case to Skrillex/DnB/EDM for me. i have no idea what the right genre name is
 
user559633
I've heard david august. will check out stimming. if you haven't heard of him, you'd like Gui Boratto probably and maybe Jon Hopkins
 
When I'm at work I like to listen to music with no vocals, or with vocals that are incomprehensible to me. So I'm glad whenever I find some interesting foreign-language stuff
 
ooohhhh
 
user6568562
While reading the Flow control chapter in Automate the boring stuff, I ran through this passage : "An elif clause will get executed if the preceding elif or if statements are False. It is not guaranteed that at least one clause will get executed." Does it, actually mean that : "An elif clause will get executed if its statement is true and all previous statements are False ? " Or something else ?
 
Gotta leave my speech-processing center unused so I can divert the cpu cycles elsewhere.
 
@Kevin Taylor Davis (likke it says oni the video title) - or am I looking at the wrong video?
 
2:52 PM
@corvid what genre would you say that is?
 
@Withnail it's probably a mix of Djent and Dubstep... Djentstep?
 
wtf is djent? :D
googles
 
@holdenweb It seems there's more than one violin lady. I was thinking of Lindsey Stirling in particular.
 
oh ok, cool. Also, djentstep is apparently totally a thing.
 
@randomhopeful At first read I thought it might be a typo, and the author actually meant "An else clause will get executed if all the preceding elif or if statements are false"
 
2:53 PM
@randomhopeful I'm not sure what it means. But your statement expresses the true situation relatively clearly.
 
@PM2Ring Nice!
 
... But that doesn't flow particularly well into the next sentence, so maybe your interpretation is closer
 
user6568562
@Kevin @heldenweb Thank you. He, probably, was addressing some false perceived notion.
 
I think it's trying to clarify e.g.
>>> x = 1
>>> if x < 5:
...     print('less than 5')
... elif x < 3:
...     print('less than 3')
...
less than 5
>>>
You might naively expect the second to also be followed (because the condition evaluates True), but it doesn't because not all preceding ones were False
 
user6568562
@JRichardSnape Oh I see ! Yes, I ran into that noob's pitfall so early on. It will execute the first True statement and skip all others regardless of their boolean value
 
2:58 PM
@randomhopeful see it online
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala Thank you ! Will do
 
Ah, yes, around figure 2-7 is illustrating the case I demo'd above.
 
user6568562
Thank you, all [ : I didn't know this website existed. The author is extremely cool.
 
@Kevin Check out some kora music from West Africa. Some kora tracks have vocals, but there are plenty of instrumentals too. Here's a beautiful piece that combines the Western concert Celtic harp with the kora: Two Harps That Beat As One by virtuosos Catrin Finch and Seckou Keita.
 
@randomhopeful it is easier to fix bugs on the web than it is to fix them in printware (after it has been printed)
 
user6568562
3:04 PM
@AnttiHaapala That's true.
 
On 3rd thoughts, that is a concert harp. I just didn't notice the pedals earlier. :)
 
Hi, what is the deference between adding dependent module in requirement.txt and in setup.py's install_requires attribute
 
Nothing
 
This is, because, my team member told, I broke build, because I not added dependent module in install_requires :(
 
Well, pip can read more formats than setuptools, but that shouldn't really be relied on for distribution.
@Lafada what does that have to do with the difference between the two?
Also, sounds like you should talk to your team member who will know exactly what they meant.
 
3:11 PM
@davidism, what I did was, I added elasticsearch_py package in requirement.py and use that package in my modulex, there is moduley in which requirement.txt they have modulex==1.0.1 so when you install moduley it will isntall modulex, when try to execute moduley, log file got error no module name elasticsarch
 
@JRichardSnape I don't know that I was ever confused by that one. But that's a good thing for me to be aware of for teaching other people ;)
 
@davidism when I install moduley, and run pip isnstall -r requirements.txt it will install modulex 1.0.1, this will also make sure, that it will call requirement.txt of modulex ?
 
Speaking of harps, I'm still enjoying 10,000 by Emilie & Ogden, recommended by @idjaw a few months ago.
 
Say you've got a generator that will eventually yield N items, is there a decent design pattern for taking M items at a time to pass to some function, then taking the next M, etc. Is it just islice?
 
3:14 PM
@Lafada requirement.txt is for applications, not modules
 
@WayneWerner then in this case, it will install install_requires of modulex.setup.py right ?
 
setuptools only uses install_requires, although some projects are written to populate that from a requirements file. Sounds like yours isn't. Again, your team member probably could have explained this.
 
@WayneWerner, if we have to develop some library, then best option is to add dependencies in install_requires of setup.py instead of adding that in requirements.txt, correct me if I am wrong :)
 
That's the approach that I take. YMMV. But if your team takes this approach you should certainly follow it
and if it's not written down somewhere, you should start putting documentation somewhere
 
user559633
3:17 PM
@corvid @Withnail you'd both probably like genghis tron
 
I much prefer requirements.txt over explicitly adding libraries to setup.py
 
@WayneWerner thanks, I read some post where, in setup.py they are reading requirements.txt and puting that data in install_requires, is that correct approch?
in this way, we have to maintain only one file :)
 
Sounds like an awful excuse - does putting your requirements in a dedicated file really sound like that much work?
 
yep, that sounds pretty spot on @tristan cheers!
 
user559633
just load requirements.txt in setup.py. there, maintaining one file
 
user559633
3:18 PM
:) Withnail
 
I'm getting tired of this. Garlic.
 
@Ffisegydd but if you add in requirements.txt and use that library in other package, then pip install -r requirements.txt will not add that dependecies
 
wat
 
@WayneWerner yes like that
 
3:19 PM
@Lafada it sounds like you can't really process the input you're getting here. Try reading on your own. Until you can formulate more coherent questions, please don't post questions here.
garlic
 
@Ffisegydd ^
I tried the other day to explain why the worst architecture was very, very bad. Namely trying to make a HTTP request by turning into JSON and submitting that request over HTTP.
 
@PM2Ring Interesting. That particular video doesn't do much for me but I will pursue other uses of the instrument.
 
@WayneWerner yes, same person has this code for requirements.txt
 
That was a classic
 
Warning kick: stop talking about this @Lafada.
 
3:22 PM
Oops, Terry hung up ten minutes ago when I switched wifi spots.
 
@tristan have I linked Metroid Metal before? Or maybe you linked them?
 
 
@Kevin I'll try to work on the server this weekend, we can deploy Terry alongside sopython-site.
 
@davidism, I will do my homework in more detail next time, thanks for reply
 
@Kevin Oh, ok. I love harps in general, and I've been a kora fan for a few years now, but I guess it can be an acquired taste.
 
3:23 PM
@Lafada what is your native language?
 
And I, in turn, will try to get more than the one extant feature working.
 
@WayneWerner sorry, but I got one Warning Kick
 
@tristan I'm digging them so far
 
@Lafada I doubt that answering a question would get you kicked
 
I'm going to guess French because "Lafada" is French for "The fada".
 
3:25 PM
Yo soy el niño!
 
@WayneWerner my native language is Python
 
@Lafada that's because you were harping on a subject...
@Lafada Really? Your parents spoke Python to you as you were growing up?
;)
 
@WayneWerner sorry, language in term of speking, Gujarati
@WayneWerner Indian, language, and bad in English, sorry for that, missunderstood your question :(
 
user559633
@davidism Probably both of us
 
We're typically pretty relaxed about that
 
3:28 PM
@davidism :) You got me going back to listen to that album now.
 
but the language of Stack Overflow is English - so you will typically need to put forward more effort than you might be used to. We've had a couple of conversations with you where your comprehension of written English is really causing you problems because when people give you advice you either argue the point, or belabor the point (you come back to the same thing over and over again)
There's only so much patience that you'll get for not being a native English speaker
Which patience you've exhausted twice. I think mostly it's due to how well you (don't) comprehend English - so that's something you may want to work on. Well, will want to work on, if you don't want to annoy people too much ;)
It's not that we mind questions - we're happy to answer questions and discuss problems, but there's a difference between a discussion that progresses somewhere and a discussion that goes around and around and around like a hamster wheel
 
@idjaw I was going to post what my favorite track was, but I can't decide. Probably between Closer and Dream.
 
@WayneWerner sorry for that, I will make sure will use proper English when type something in chat, thanks for advise, this is learning lesson for me
 
@davidism I know what you mean. I find myself revisiting Closer, White Lies and 10000. I think White Lies might be my favourite. I just love the progression of that track.
 
@Lafada It's less about the proper English (though that's helpful), and far more about whether or not you understand what we are saying.
 
3:39 PM
@WayneWerner thanks
 
(which is actually a perfect example of what I mean. I stressed your writing much less than I did your comprehension. And you focused more on the writing. :P )
 
user559633
oh good, more wood sawing today
 
user559633
i was afraid i wouldn't have a sawmill going 1 meter from my window
 
Are you in suburbia?
 
user559633
yeah, on a subway station stop away from boston downtown
 
3:43 PM
FWIW, I'm a great believer in linguistic diversity: I think it's very important to keep all existing languages alive. However, English is the primary programming language around the world, so to be a good programmer you need good English skills. We get many questions on SO from people with poor English skills. Many beginner problems arise due to an incorrect understanding of the documentation, and surely it must be much harder to correctly understand technical documents when the person's grasp of English is poor. — PM 2Ring May 26 at 8:48
 
user559633
but boston is one big suburb, so...
 
Thanks @PM2Ring for reference
 
is there a standard for the 'best' way to use Docker?
 
I've never been to Boston. I should probably leave my area more and see the world.
 
I loved my visit to Boston
I just found out that the next OpenStack summit after Barcelona is in Boston
so if things work out again, I'll be there next year
 
3:47 PM
I've been trying to articulate a question for the last bit - effectively - do I use Docker to build the initial setup of the container and app - and then use git pull to change the container, or do I rebuild the image after each change?
Docker, sorry, edited.
 
@Lafada It's probably a good idea for you to read that whole page. Stack Overflow wants to help all programmers, no matter what language they speak at home. But if your English skills are not good that makes it hard to get the full benefit of Stack Overflow. And it means that you are more likely to misunderstand documentation written in English. So if you want to become a better programmer you really need to become better at English too.
 
In that I can see how to use it to have a dev environment that I can transfer directly to a server, I guess I'm asking how people deal with subsequent changes.
 
@PM2Ring I am learning English, in my schooling, English is not primary language, and am poor in English, I want to say sorry again for my bad English and misunderstood your suggesion and argue with member
 
user559633
I'll be here for at least another year. Boston is okay. It's a very, very tiny city and the urban planning is idiotic.
 
very tiny? My city has 20,000 people total.
 
user559633
3:53 PM
There are probably, realistically, twice as many road structures than needed due to very poor routing/planning.
 
One thing I remember about Boston is that the streets are really narrow
I can see it being bad for traffic. But I was only there for a weekend. So I didn't see how things are during weekday mornings
 
user559633
The roads aren't narrow, just idiotically laid out.
 
user559633
 
user559633
Let that structure sink in for a second. There are also more little roads that aren't on this map due to connections to parking lots.
 
^^ I think that is what I noticed with narrow roads
a lot of small roads
 
user559633
3:57 PM
That approach to getting on/off the highway is everywhere in/around Boston.
 
user559633
Note the multitude of roads under the highway too.
 
Okay... am I using timeit wrong here? stackoverflow.com/a/38769553/344286
I would not have expected the string.partition+recursion to be faster than regex
 
@Withnail yeah a bit of a tough one to sort out tbh. For us, our applications go through the CI, once passed, they get triggered for staging/prod deployment, and the dockerfile just grabs whatever is in master that has been given the green light to be merged.
our dockerfiles are kept very simple
 

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