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12:00 AM
replaced with another tristan, with an additional probe in his body some place, probably
those aliens are crazy for probing
 
user559633
@user2284570 flesh out your question with all the details. it's annoying as shit to provide an answer and get the response "oh i didn't tell you i can't use standard tools in the library." like being asked for an omelette recipe, giving one, then being told that the asker is allergic to eggs
 
user559633
If I had a patience bar, it would be blinking red right now.
 
shouldn't the directory be added to the path?
oh, no, not the path
 
user559633
also, zipimport is for python files, not shared objects
 
@tristan : because the question is clear. It’s about doing it with zipimport. I know there are other ways, like extracting the zip file manually. Either there’s a way to do it directly with zipimport or it’s not possible and period.
 
12:03 AM
:D
at least it's clear
 
user559633
stackoverflow.com/questions/38775427/… question with arbitrary restrictions, with an OP that won't read documentation
 
heh
unkown arbitrary restrictions, at that
 
user559633
i get the sneaking suspicion that it's some "lel i hack u" use case, not that it matters if the question was fun
 
I don't understand or care enough to untangle the connections
new edit to the question:
> I’m only interested about doing it directly with thezipimport. I know there are other ways of doing it like extracting the archive manually and create files.
why is it tagged [security]?
 
user559633
man idk
 
12:09 AM
why am I still bothering with this?
 
@AndrasDeak : yes I thought I wrote that in the beginning. But I forgot to do it.
 
user559633
the first line in the doc is:
"This module adds the ability to import Python modules (*.py, *.py[co]) and packages from ZIP-format archives."
 
user559633
and the question jumps to shared objects
 
user559633
*.so
 
@tristan : it can be ᴅʟʟ files on Windows®.
 
12:10 AM
so...you have to do a system call to "mv tmp.so tmp.zip"
 
user559633
@user2284570 the question is tagged linux
 
actually, it's cygwin, isn't it?
 
user559633
are you saying that there's more arbitrary restrictions and some of the information you've provided is meant to throw us off the chase?
 
It's a domestic goose chase. It's like a wild goose chase, only crappier.
 
Just tested it by building markupsafe as an egg: the speedups.o file gets built and bundled, but the import uses native.py
So the answer is: you can't import so files from the egg/zip using the built-in importer.
In fact, that's right in the docs:
> ZIP import of dynamic modules (.pyd, .so) is disallowed.
 
12:15 AM
in the what?
 
user559633
i'm going to express that in the form of drinking
 
cheers
 
user559633
lol self-answers instead of saying anything or apologizing for wasting others time by not even skimming docs
 
passes tristan a margarita
 
user559633
12:18 AM
is it time to take c++ lounge's idea of "no on-topic questions?"
 
no, we have focused peer pressure as an alternative
Are you sure this Q&A will benefit future readers, and as such necessary to keep on Stack Overflow? — Andras Deak 42 secs ago
 
OK, that's enough. Go drink or play video games or ride a bike.
I'm going to go ride a bike.
 
user559633
I'm going to go back to work
 
user559633
Have a good bike ride @davidism
 
work sounds fun
 
user559633
12:20 AM
Frontend JS. Whee.
 
@AndrasDeak you've confused "work" with "play"
 
@davidism I'm debugging somebody else's fortran code; that's as good as a round of Russian roulette;)
 
user559633
It's actually not that bad, but combining react libraries and getting them to work is sort of like desoldering components and trying to connect them with jumper wires
 
is there no option to do it with less duck tape?
 
how bad is the spaghetti?
 
12:23 AM
It's not spaghetti, fortunately:) But it does throw a seg fault without any additional info (traceback or whatever) at a surprising point of execution. And it worked with a different input earlier.
 
user559633
SPAghetti, more like it. Because single page appli...I'll show myself out.
 
:D
too bad, I wanted to hear "ghetti"
 
heh, fun
 
user559633
I'm gonna ghetti out of here
 
user559633
Is that okay? I feel like I can do better. Come back to me
 
12:24 AM
:D
have a nice frontend
 
trying to write up some slides on central limits theorem
 
oh, that's fun!
 
mostly done, just trying to make graphics better
 
something general, or as specific as de Moivre--Laplace?
 
general, very general, which actually is its own type of hard
 
12:27 AM
handwave all the things;)
 
made a simulation with IPython and I'm trying to get the animation to play well actually
 
very nice
 
12:45 AM
other way around:P
 
@AndrasDeak yep, sigh
 
user559633
happens to the best of us :)
 
we're all stupid, that's why we have Stack Overflow :)
 
my favourite kind of odd behaviour is "Why is the problem not fixed if I fixed it?", then "where are my new debug outputs??", then I realize that I compiled the executable with another file name
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC the stupid ones write to SO, the smart ones read from SO, and the really smart ones write again;)
 
@AndrasDeak you know your problem is hard to solve when you check that you're running the right file...
I found this interesting python problem:
 
user559633
12:54 AM
@AndrasDeak lol, i once was running some user tests on beta.<<company>>.com, and was like "shit, why isn't this new workflow getting triggered?" i had jumped onto the wrong tmux session and was making public-facing changes live on prod-0x.<<company>>.com
 
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Q: Python 3.x: How to compare two lists containing dictionaries where order doesn't matter

Abe ClarkI have nested dictionaries that may contain other dictionaries or lists. I need to be able to compare a list (or set, really) of these dictionaries to show that they are equal. The order of the list is not uniform. Typically, I would turn the list into a set, but it is not possible since there ...

@tristan lol
 
@tristan oopsie:D
 
"building a startup in the paris of midcoast eastern massachusetts" what's it called? :D
@tristan
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC barcopolo
 
user559633
some major health issues in the family pushed me back, but i should still be launching a public-facing version for end of summer
 
12:56 AM
@tristan nmap -organization barcopolo
RESULTS:
 
user559633
80/443/a filtered SSH port
 
Something about helping people manage their free time
registered facebook and twitter accounts
 
user559633
oh no my planet is being hacked
 
@tristan ???
 
user559633
 
pushing all the keys on tristan's keyboard
 
@tristan loading personal info...
THE TARGET IS LYING
 
is there a point here, really?
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC don't be a fuckhead
 
is your real name tristan fisher
 
1:00 AM
OK, I meant that --------------------^
 
or should I also search on white pages
and spokeo
 
user559633
you came in here to get help and now you're trying to cyber sleuth me
 
I'm just doing an innocent nmap
@tristan naw, I'm trying to show you the power of anonymity
 
you're jokingly trying to stalk tristan, which is funny because you can't stalk jokingly
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC lol thanks, but i'm really good at fighting and live in a country with lax gun laws, so i'm comfortable signing my name to words on the internet
 
1:01 AM
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC and the only thing you're demonstrating is that you're being a dick
 
@tristan you know I found my teacher's address + apartment number with just a name; also wife and kids
 
user559633
insinuating that you're going to keep posting my personal information on the internet isn't showing me anything; just being annoying
 
@tristan it's already there....
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC great, thanks neo
 
user559633
now quit it, it's annoying
 
1:02 AM
:D
 
you know everyone here is a developer or analyst or etc so the idea that it is easy to identify people using little information is kinda duh
 
ok
now to change targets...
(jk)
 
user559633
sure man, live by the sword
 
Here's a tip: if you want to skip and unskippable youtube ad, click the "i" icon, select a message, and click "send" (or use adblock)
but I wanna support the creators
 
user559633
is there medication that you should be taking, and aren't, or shouldn't be taking, but are?
 
1:05 AM
@tristan LSD
jk
@tristan
 
bah
 
For real though
my multivitamin!!!!
I've been lying all along!!!
 
user559633
Oh no, an elaborate ruse
 
@tristan DUN DUN DUN!!
Look at my username, what did you expect out of me?
 
user559633
What do you mean?
 
1:09 AM
@tristan upside down it...
CrazyPython
changed from that
 
user559633
I know you want your username to be "CrazyPython", but what do you mean by "what did you expect out of me?"
 
@tristan I'm crazy :P
For something not crazy from CrazyPython, see:
authored by me and edited a tiny bit by others
 
user559633
Great, but your teenage "i'm so random" sense of humor is grating.
 
@tristan just randomly had an idea of stalking others :P
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Great, lose that idea.
 
1:14 AM
OK James, that's enough
 
@AndrasDeak shit
 
hmm...surprisingly large number of people called James Lu. I can only imagine this is not you
 
@AndrasDeak nopeeee
I didn't take my multivitamin, I'm only random when I don't take it.
 
user559633
Go take it.
 
(but seriously - today I just felt like being random)
 
user559633
1:19 AM
And ask your parents if they're comfortable with you chatting with strangers on the internet and pretending to stalk them on the internet.
 
@tristan not young
@tristan I expected something like PPCG chat - where crazy behavior is accepted
 
21?
 
user559633
amusingly, your parents may still have good advice for you on this topic.
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC no, that's not the culture of this place.
 
@tristan then sorry
it's the culture of PPCG though
 
user559633
1:21 AM
it's okay, we live and learn.
 
and I'm sure being an arse is equally a no-go in the nineteenth bite as it is here
 
@AndrasDeak byte?
 
right, that
 
thought pointing out the stalkability of people on the internet in an oblique way was funny, sorry
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC not really. we all know how easy it is. some of us are very good at it and have access to government-sector DBs. it's not cute, it's just annoying.
 
1:24 AM
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC pro-tip: if you're the only one laughing, you're not being funny
 
@tristan I have access to yellow pages and it's worked before
 
user559633
it only leads to in-real-life annoyance, which means zero-tolerance
 
I'd fail the turing test for a markov chain bot
@tristan you probably inferred age from "teacher" - you have no idea if I mean professor or mentor or what - and "teacher" is shorter and easier to comprehend
 
he inferred age from behaviour, mostly
 
user559633
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Andras is correct. I inferred age from your behavior and lack of ability to take a hint.
 
user559633
1:26 AM
I didn't, and don't care to, try to get an image of you beyond what you present in this room.
 
user559633
Anyway. Let's talk about anything else.
 
@AndrasDeak I thought it was peculiar how you didn't have an entry in the yellow pages :P
 
Just a sec; only one more thing: being an ass on SO/SE chat is a tiny bit different; as everything is publicly preserved for eternity. Shouldn't affect things much, but an additional thing to consider.
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC you think about that a bit:P
 
do you think scipy.stats is a good way to introduce statistical analysis without having to go into scikit-learn fully (at an early stage)?
 
user559633
Where scipy installation is already handled?
 
1:29 AM
specifically when looking at central limits and bell curves
 
hmm...you don't need advanced stuff, do you?
scipy.stats (and maybe scipy.optimize?) could be OK
then again, I've never seen scikit;)
 
user559633
I think if numpy/scipy install is tidied away, I think it's a good way to say "you have better tools than excel and more general tools than SPSS"
 
as intro class (I mean like "this is what scientific program is class") for those thinking about major?
 
I think scipy should be a good workhorse for intro scientific computing
but you can show them the tensorflow playground to play with, to reel them in;)
 
this part is suppose to cover general case (ie. really its just expect this if your going into any of these like 10 or 12 majors)
I'm thinking more sticking with numpy and scipy (some interactive with IPython and pandas too, of course) to not overwhelm people (maybe a little demo of ML with scikit-learn cause my field and all) and wanted to rubber duck
and change the subject :)
 
1:35 AM
I literally meant to just tell them about this
although they might need some minimal input to see what they're seeing to begin with...
so nevermind:)
 
that is cool though
saved for later
either way, subject change test pass
 
2:15 AM
OK, got tired of gathering info on James
rhubarb:)
oh lol, he's one of the SOD beneficiaries
 
Drop it.
Really enjoying this so far.
 
"Giant squid" + "non-violent". How disappointing.
 
yeah, 90% rep from SOD (2900 I counted)
re-calc will not be kind
 
+1 for promise of majestic creatures, though
off for real now, good night
 
night Andras
 
2:40 AM
what do people use for python log file configs? according to docs, seems like dictConfig is the new way to do it in python 3.. the examples use YAML and don't show how to actually read a YAML file?
or does everyone just use fileConfig
 
3:06 AM
I figured out how to use the YAML config but I am still curious how others do this.
 
 
2 hours later…
4:58 AM
wow don't you hate it when someone downvotes your answer even when it's the right one. :/
 
5:21 AM
0
Q: How to run sqlacodegen?

GollyJerI'm not understanding why I can't run sqlacodegen. I'm looking to use it for create a SQLAlchemy model from my existing PostgreSQL database. It won't run. When I type sqlacodegen --help for help I get Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> TypeError: bad ope...

 
I asked Alex if he is going to fix the instructions, he said: "no and won't", with rationale "if I discover a better way of idiot-proofing documentation, the nature will surely discover a better way of producing idiots."
@ProblemSlover :D
 
5:47 AM
Idiots and newbs
Cbg :)
 
Just figured out that I'm way more productive if i mute my workstation lol
 
6:48 AM
@AndrasDeak I've encountered him before.
 
Morning
 
Morning!
 
@antti is there a typo in the last line of your answer there? I think in the command line it should be sqlacodegen, not sqlalchemy (but I don't use, so may be saying something completely ridiculous)
 
@JRichardSnape thanks :D
it was a typo, I did edit it into there today
because I noticed that my answer really only said what did he do wrong, but not what he should really be doing instead
 
7:06 AM
:)
 
if someone is as clueless as to think that something --help is Python, then how are they going to parse the output from something --help.
 
delv'd
 
... and gone.
 
@PM2Ring that stubborn answerer is another hero stackoverflow.com/users/6629924/josh :D
@PM2Ring 2 questions: "how do I find prime numbers" and the second one is "please explain me how to solve halting problem concisely"
 
7:20 AM
Thanks guys. I did my best to explain to Josh why it's not a good idea to answer questions like that, but he just didn't get it. I guess he'll have mixed feelings about getting his answer deleted and getting his points back. :)
@AnttiHaapala Now one question. And I love those comments from Memfisto encouraging the use of globals on "How to check the returned value of a function without actually running the function". :facepalm:
 
7:49 AM
Cbg
 
I hate, hate, hate.
Why do people write "something is undefined behavior"
 
cabbage
 
8:21 AM
@AnttiHaapala the reason for that behaviour is undefined
 
"writing like this is undefined behavior"
vs. "writing code like this is erratic behavior" or something
why do we care about what the programmer does.
 
Just broken into my mother-in-law's suitcase
(She wanted me to, she lost the key)
 
they showed me on news article
I should be happy... I guess
 
@khajvah You're the dude in the car with glasses, right?
 
@RomanLuštrik Nah, I am not that cool
 
8:29 AM
@khajvah so which one are you :d
 
this is from that protest a few days ago
found myself getting arrested in a random internet article
 
armenian script sure looks wonky
@khajvah so what happened :D
 
@khajvah haha, in here, the police would be arresting anyone who tries to oppose the protests.
 
@AnttiHaapala nice. Police here are loyal dogs of the government
 
8:35 AM
... and in some other countries, they wouldn't walk you... instead they'd batter you until blue and black, and then put you rot in a labour camp for 10 years.
... so certainly you'd not be on stackoverflow commenting some days after.
 
a few days ago they attacked people really hard. One kid lost his eye, another woman got terrible burns
 
so while your situation is not the best possible, it is not the worst possible (yet)
 
yeah it's not that bad
 
I think it's kinda cool that Armenian has its own alphabet. OTOH, I guess it does make it a bit harder to learn other languages, and it would've been a total PITA in the early days of computers.
 
Still sounds like it sucks
@RomanLuštrik I thought he was the guy with the red beret
 
8:40 AM
@PM2Ring I love the alphabet. It looks really pretty I think.
@RobertGrant god forbid
 
@RobertGrant alphabet or govnment? :D
 
@khajvah And I guess during those periods of your country's history when you were dominated by others (like the Ottomans and the Russians) it was a little bit of Armenian heritage they couldn't take away completely.
 
@AnttiHaapala I find it absolutely gorgeous.
 
@PM2Ring It certainly played a big role. It's really miracle that we still exist after all the hard times.
religion also helped I think
 
@PM2Ring The Serbs have two types of writing, and a lot of them are fluent in both of them. Granted, they're sort of similar.
 
8:46 AM
@PM2Ring we have many letters and pronounce every sound, it makes easier to pick up new languages and speak without accent
 
Although I guess it must be annoying to deal with the irregular stuff in other writing systems when your native system is nice and regular. :)
 
I think the script doesn't really affect much, it is a plus at most
the overall grammar, syntactic structure and such matter a lot more.
it is much easier for a native synthetic language speaker to learn an analytic language than the opposite.
it is easier for a speaker of a tonal language to learn a non-tonal language
it is easier to learn a language where the phonemes are mostly a subset of your native language.
 
@AnttiHaapala yeah every other language feels like that to me :D
 
@khajvah thy Xhosa
 
@AnttiHaapala what's the difference between those things?
 
8:52 AM
@AnttiHaapala ok you win
 
@RobertGrant "epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkäänköhän" vs "I wonder if – even with his/her quality of not having been made unsystematized"
 
@AnttiHaapala haha I can do that click thing, but all I use it for is to say "Do you all drive Opel Corsas?" But make Corsa sounds like Xhosa with the click.
I'm yet to really get a laugh.
@AnttiHaapala so synthetic constructs words rather than arranging them?
 
although the phonemes feel like combination of others, so it's possible to pick it up
 
@RobertGrant yeap
 
Didn't know that - thanks!
 
8:55 AM
god these clicky sounds are amazing
 
"In linguistic typology, a synthetic language is a language with a high morpheme-per-word ratio, as opposed to a low morpheme-per-word ratio in what is described as an analytic language."
Vietnamese is the absolute opposite end of this scale, having ratio of perhaps 1.001 (a number picked by Stetson-Harrison method)
 
@AnttiHaapala ah, that makes sense
 
in Finnish the morphemes also bend words slightly, so you cannot really separate them clearly, but epä/järj/estel/mä/llis/tyt/tä/mät/tö/myyde/llä/nsä/kään/kö/hän
that would be a word with 15 morphemes, and 14 of them bound (meaning that they cannot occur free, suh as anti-, counter-, -hood, -ish, -ness, -ing, -ed)
 
Oh Finnish, Y U so hard to learn :(
 
9:02 AM
Its name is ironic
 
Alphabetic scripts are pretty easy to learn. I knew the Greek alphabet before I was 10 (due to my interest in maths & science) and learned Russian Cyrillic in my early teens. Syllable-based writing systems, like the Indian Devanagari and related systems, are a little more challenging. I've never tried to learn Chinese writing, since that's not a sane thing to do if you're not actually learning the language. :) But I'm kinda interested in learning Korean writing because it's so systematic.
 
@RobertGrant though that word is very widely used, it is only ever used to demonstrate how hard Finnish can be.
it takes a couple seconds of pondering for linguists to find out that that word is a noun as opposed to say an adjective.
 
Ah okay :)
Floccinaucinihilipilification is about the closest we get, I think
 
epä/järj/estel/mä/llinen can be translated to english as un/system/atic
 
Outside of medical and chemical stuff, which are probably more synthetic anyway
 
9:09 AM
and järjestemällistää something like system/atize
but beyond that, there is another negation and 2 causative morphemes there, and adessive case, possessive suffix, and 3 other suffixes for "I wonder", question-word and "even-without", and those you cannot express as morphemes in English
if you were to write that in Vietnamese, you'd need at least 15 words.
 
Whereas in English there are virtually no morpological indicators for what part of speech a word is, apart from adverbs ending in -ly, and verb tense endings like -ed & -ing.
 
@PM2Ring ... -y, -ness, -hood, -less, ...
 
Hah @khajvah you look pretty much as I'd imagined you would. Sorry to hear you got arrested though!
 
I am sorry too that you got arrested but glad that you did what got you arrested.
 
@Withnail you mean amazing ?
 
9:14 AM
Sure, yeah. :D
 
:D
 
@AnttiHaapala Good point. I was almost going to add that some prefixes and suffixes can also be part of speech indicators, but then I decided there were so many irregularities that they can be misleading. :)
 
they can be misleading in every living language.
 
Why is it not surprising that a bunch of coding nerds are interested in how natural languages encode stuff. :)
 
but it is trickier than that in Finnish
 
9:22 AM
I just want to use the word morpheme in conversation if I don't understand what someone's saying at work
TABLES TURNED
 
you can nominalize verbs in Finnish, say :D
"a morpheme is the smallest grammatical unit in a language."
as simple as that.
like, carpet is a compound word, its morphemes are car and pet :D
 
carpet
 
Amazing
My customer calls the floor you're in on a building the "floor plate"
 
child hood
 
9:27 AM
I want to take a photo of a floor, then put a plate on it and take the same photo and label them "Floor" and "Floor Plate"
 
@RobertGrant a Finn by happenstance? :D
 
No, as the everyone working at the customer :)
It's a militaryish term
 
in Finnish you've got lots of false friends. Floorplate as in a metal plate would be called levy, and the laatta which is a rather obvious loanword, would then be translated into "tile" in English, and the other rather obvious loanword tiili would be translated into "brick".
though rooftile is also a tiili :P
 
9:44 AM
I'm thinking of learning Irish gaelic. My father in law speaks it and is teaching my daughter. I like the simplicity - for instance it seems that the word for any creature less than about 20mm long is (phonetically) "an pesst" :D
 
That sounds awesome
 
anybody wants to help me? my question got viewed 5 times only. It's about uwsgi acting weird.
 
Course, that size constraint throws a whole new light on when he found out you guys were pregnant and he said you "Finally managed to use yer pesst"
 
a telemarketer from an obscure company called me and tried to sell me their service which will allow my company to get rid of "service" contracts (i.e. fake invoices, nonexistent services etc) that I might have accidentally accepted from other obscure companies.
 
@RobertGrant Yeah - it's tricky to read though, because it utilises the latin alphabet (plus a large number of diacritic marks), but the sounds are quite dissimilar to the same letter in English. So you think you know how to say something but actually, no.
@AnttiHaapala Nice. Come to the UK and we have a similar scheme of companies "helpfully" offering to reclaim your mis-sold payment protection insurance.
@RobertGrant Hmmmmmmm
 
9:47 AM
@khajvah how are you running uwsgi? is it from supervisord/upstart?
 
A guy at work gets a call every other week because they know he was in a car accident a year ago but they can't tell him any of the details, and it's always fun
 
is it behind Nginx?
 
@Withnail uwsgi --ini uwsgi.conf
yeah, it's behind nginx
 
just starting it manually, yeah? hm.
 
@JRichardSnape surprisingly she started stuttering right after I said "I do not have problems with telemarketers since I automatically record all phonecalls that I receive".
 
9:48 AM
@Withnail I shouldn't do that?
 
@AnttiHaapala :D
I'm going to use that one.
 
@JRichardSnape I have another one but I won't say it
 
No, nothing wrong with that, I just wondered if there was an auto start loop or something coming into play.
 
giggles at hidden bad joke
 
@JRichardSnape I do record all phonecalls though.
 
9:49 AM
I got a company the other day saying "We just like to ring you to ensure you have our 24 hour help line". By which they meant, to ensure you buy our overpriced insurance which happens to include a 24 hour helpline.
 
Why bother, just let the NSA do it for you and download it later? ;)
 
@Withnail nah, processes increase not by time but by each request
 
@AnttiHaapala Yeah, I should do that too. Maybe for unrecognised numbers, don't really want my mates thinking I'm keeping staler-esque records about them.
 
Yeah, there could still have been a signal coming in from the proxy that was starting it, but seems unlikely. It doesn't address the cause of the multiple spawns but could you use the cheaper flag on starting uwsgi? It kills off unused processes under low load. viz
 
ok let me try
 
9:53 AM
Given the slightly odd behaviour, I'm not sure that'll do it, but it's a fairly easy thing to try.
 
@Withnail btw, I don't think it will work because it doesn't spawn workers but each worker spawns those weird processes.
 
I know v. little about uwsgi, but something comes to mind - can you set a max-workers config parameter (or something similar). I seem to recall that. Maybe with the cheaper option Withnail is talking about.
Ahh - maybe not the issue then, given your last message
 
ohh, with you.
 
@JRichardSnape easier to just remove them afterwards
 
Mental note: Never ring Antti :D
 
9:57 AM
Higher level design question: are stored procs to be avoided if you might want to change DB vendor in the future? Or is it normal to eat the cost of changing all the stored procs to work on the new technology?
 

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