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12:02 AM
:) me too
 
okay, reason it is weird is that started merging gittle3 and gittle 10 days ago - so gittle could be primary for both 2 and 3 - and it is hard to merge multiple compatibility library
and, Andras is right, they certainly jump the gun when announcing full support
 
I'll never understand why you'd exaggerate the capabilities of your free software at the cost of causing frustration to your users down the road
 
hubris, maybe? or just plain human error (may have just added versions gittle3 supported to ones gittle supported but merge broke more than they realized)
 
I'm still talking about dulwich
 
oh, hubris then
I love peoples (multiple) advice on the question "how do you know you have enough references?" -> when you have enough -> "but what if I have too many?" -> then you'll have too many
 
12:23 AM
I'm unfamiliar with the question (and I'm a happy man)
 
 
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3:37 AM
Morning
 
 
3 hours later…
6:41 AM
Anyone else get the blanket email from the recruiter for Sqreen?
 
cbg
 
7:08 AM
cbg
 
7:20 AM
cbg
 
I think they've stopped adding to the PyCon UK programme now. Would be good if there was a day-by-day timetable available in advance.
 
@Ffisegydd I am so not coming to PyCon UK because of this.
Had they had the timetable, then my RSVP would've been "strict maybe".
 
Yeah exactly. I think Robert and a few others were considering just the weekend, would be good to know what days what is going to be on
 
I would even need to know the hours
 
I'm going to ping them an email
 
7:25 AM
but it is soon too late already :d
wat
there is a timetable now
ah just for the first day
 
Oh gods AOL anti-spam just spammed the Python.org postmaster.
462 unread messages..
search -> from:<...@aol.com> -> select all -> delete.
 
That's always been there Antti
And that's not even a timetable, just a programme.
 
no, there's timetable now
for thursday
:/
 
Oh fair play.
 
which just proves that they really don't know what they're doing
as there is no link from the one to the other.
 
7:29 AM
Nah :P
There's a few pages like that.
For instance there's a whole page dedicated to the data/research track, but it's only accessible from a link in a sentence on the front page half way down
 
@AnttiHaapala they are a volunteer org and have the site up on github. Perhaps you could send pull requests?
 
then they really don't know what they're doing :D
should have "pull requests accepted on github" :D
"Remember that sexist, racist, or exclusionary jokes are not appropriate for PyCon UK."
what's the point in PyCon if we can't ridicule Rubyists and PHPians
 
Aren't all jokes exclusionary?
 
:(
for example self-ridicule excludes everyone else.
 
Hi Keiron,

We haven't as yet finished the timetable, however you can see which talks will be on here. Keep an eye on the website as it wont be too long before we can publish a full schedule.

Thanks,
Chloe
 
7:33 AM
lol
 
Fair play for the quick response, shame it's not the ideal answer.
 
they should try to squeeze a timeframe at least...
saying the venue opens at 10, talks start at 10:30... or sth like that.
 
I'd say that the hours will be 0930-1700. Registration starts at 0800 on the first day.
They have to have registration everyday for people attending for only 1-2 days.
(Going off the Open Day timetable)
I suppose the issue with a timetable is some speakers may not be coming for the entire conference, so you have to juggle so many peoples requirements.
 
well that much I know
 
cbg folks
 
8:10 AM
@Ffisegydd if you tell a joke and exclude people from enjoying it by not saying it loudly enough, you're barred
 
@Antti you got a fairly rapid accept on that one :)
 
Ye gods, now it's A prize-rewarding survey about GitHub spam. With all the recipients in the 'To:' field exposed. With animated emoji.
 
Why would you reward a prize?
 
@RobertGrant especially an unspecified one in a red envelope.
> This is a prize-rewarding and anonymous survey, and you will get a lucky red envelope after submitting the answers.
 
Martijn, thank you for the work you do in keeping the email channels clear! It would make the webmaster role incredibly difficult if we had to cope with the spam as well as the real inquiries.
 
8:18 AM
Wait, but if it was anonymous, how'd they know where to send the envelope?
 
user6568562
Yesterday, I had my first Python dream. I was about to show a program to I can't remember who, and I wrote otherwise: instead of else: all around the code. The find - replace function was temporarily unavailable
 
Speaking of which (webmastering), would anyone be interested in joining the python.org web,asters (don't all speak at once)
 
user6568562
That stressed me enough to realize it's a dream and wake up : D
 
@holdenweb In this case, the muck had already reached postmaster@python.org; almost 500 "user doesn't have a clue how to unsubscribe from the tutors list, so they reported it as spam" mails, rather than aggregate and whitelist sites with a known-good policy.
 
@MartijnPieters the people conducting the survey don't like you poking your nose into their beeswax, so they prefer to remain anonymous
 
8:21 AM
Aaaarrrrgggghhhh. Happens sometimes. Anyway, I'm personally grateful that I don't have to deal with it.
 
Hrm, abuse address listed on whois.com/whois/aliyun.com. I'm not AOL sending 500 reports, this is not an opt-in based mail, I'm sure one email should suffice to complain, right?
 
@JonClements done
@JonClements I donot know why I answered a shitty q like that :D
perhaps because I was just doing nonproductive work and getting paid for it, better to do something productive and not get paid for it?
 
Nor me... you've also left in the punctuation the OP supposedly doesn't want :)
 
there should be a python builtin str method for match case :P
 
And the specification would be ... ?
 
8:27 AM
soemthing like
str.match_case(template)
and it would guess from template if it should use title case, lower case or upper case :D
 
What would that do exactly ?
 
so I could do case insensitive regex, that results in DRIVE or Drive, then look up w.lower() in dictionary, then "match_case" the replacement to the original :D
 
Right, but the target is fixed - it doesn't need to match any casing?
 
hmm it would be something like: "which of the following methods will result in indentity to the template":
upper(), lower(), titlecase(), swapcase(), upper first only, lower first only
:D
it would be more useful than that swapcase whose inclusion to stdlib I've never understood
 
There's that password again, in case anyone missed it yesterday ...
 
8:35 AM
huh?
 
:)
 
Is that like a weird game of Jeopardy? Here's the password - what is the username and system? :p
 
@holdenweb lol you said you changed it already
@JonClements what is holdenweb and stackoverflow?
 
I'd prefer who is holdenweb, if it's all the same to you
 
The first one is probably: "Who looks like Jeremy Corbyn"? :p
 
8:38 AM
:D
I thought corbyn doesn't smile
 
Or "What is the secret identity of the leader of the Labour party"? :0
 
user6568562
I'd say : "Who's cool enough to understand your OCB to know the correct terminology" and "You have a syntax error, who you gonna call ?"
 
@MartijnPieters take your sophisticated comment back to tumblr :-)
 
9:11 AM
sql is killing me
 
9:30 AM
@khajvah unless you're doing something really complex - it's generally very straightforward ;)
 
I am stupid
I even wrote a question but realized it's a stupid confusion
now I don't know what to do with the question
I even got an upvote for some odd reason
 
Imma fix that for you.
 
:D
 
Now would be the perfect time for someone to downvote you and make it look like I did it.
Unless I'm just saying that so I can actually downvote you and claim plausible deniability...
 
Is this how it feels like to post in SO docs?
You can upvotes without being useful
 
10:07 AM
Morning
 
Been asked for my opinion on the "best" python web frameworks.
 
cgi? :)
Is it an exercise? in other words, do you specifically required to use recursion? this is a very trivial task. — DeepSpace 21 secs ago
Interesting comment - 'cos everyone in the real world uses recursion to replace a digit, surely? :p
 
10:45 AM
what could "unsupported archive format: .egg" mean in pip install?
specifically, trying to install py3-ortools
 
cabbage
 
What's most effective way how to convert json to object?
 
by json, do you mean a python dict?
 
@VeeeneX one black candle, one red candle and one white candle - you'll also need a baby goat and a copy of the book of "Secret JSON incantations: The Rituals 3rd edition"...
 
and by object a python object?
 
10:55 AM
Failing that - you could just look at Python's builtin json module... but that's too easy
 
@bereal Simply add all attributes to object like this ^
 
@JonClements I much prefer incantations. My incanting has come on no end since being deployed against json.
Or was that against Jason? I forget.
 
Sep 30 '14 at 12:34, by Ffisegydd
17 hours ago, by Ffisegydd
We require 7 black candles, a dread altar, and the blood of a php developer.
 
@bereal Mmm - I'm a bit surprised - that library installs OK for me. I'll ask a silly question - you're not accidentally trying to install a Py3 library in a Py2 install are you? Or 64 bit on a 32 bit platform or vice versa.
@Ffisegydd A, now I remember Jason, the PHP developer...
 
user6568562
11:08 AM
That makes me wonder what C incantation require the blood of a Python developer
 
malloc
 
goto
 
user6568562
: D
 
11:21 AM
@randomhopeful You have clearly never created a debug build of CPython on Windows
 
Oooooooooooooooooooooooh kaggle.com/datasets
 
user6568562
@holdenweb Clearly not !
 
user6568562
I had also to google malloc to get a few hints on what it's all about. Seems to be a CS synonym of headache
3
 
oh boy
a world of joy is coming your way
a fun exercise is implementing malloc yourself
you could probably implement malloc in python and use it in your code
 
user6568562
Hopefully, I'd have gathered enough knowledge about the subject if I ever had to deal with it
 
user6568562
11:37 AM
Headache + Cluelessness == Confusion driven anxiety
 
@JRichardSnape checked that, I have python 3.5 in that image, arch matches as well. Installs ok on my osx, but in a docker image it fails.
I wonder why is that .egg rejected...
ok, so linux just has no whl version
 
Just got through a major argument with a PM. He struggled to answer the question "So when do you think you guys will be done and tested" and went all round the houses discussing dependencies (none, for this date) and the overall release process (not relevant for this date) until he eventually told me the estimated date.
His team all looking at their shoelaces, and his BA (who actually does pretty much all their team's PMing) arguing with him as well at times.
 
:(
Hard work
 
:D
Nothing like working with the worst and least bright
 
Although it can be...interesting... to watch the bravado gradually fall apart.
 
11:51 AM
At one point I said that if he's saying that they aren't a hard dependency for our project then he doesn't understand his whole project. Which probably wasn't politik, although was true.
 
Sounds like it might be politik, although maybe hardball politik.
 
Bobby G don't pull no punches.
 
in our series "shit quality software", episode 42: Sentry
Aug 18 12:00:02 ubuntu supervisord: sentry-cron [ERROR] (-30986, 'BDB0075 DB_PAGE_NOTFOUND: Requested page not found')
Aug 18 12:00:02 ubuntu supervisord: sentry-cron Traceback (most recent call last):
Aug 18 12:00:02 ubuntu supervisord: sentry-cron   File "/srv/sentry/venv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/raven/utils/serializer/manager.py", line 76, in transform
Aug 18 12:00:02 ubuntu supervisord: sentry-cron     return repr(value)
Aug 18 12:00:02 ubuntu supervisord: sentry-cron   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/bsddb/__init__.py", line 265, in __repr__
I did specifically point it to a postgresql database and what did it do? use some frikkin bsddb/shelve/something idiotic like that
oh wait this is celery specifically?
 
cbg, @Antti
 
@Ffisegydd squirmers gonna squirm
 
12:06 PM
@JRichardSnape what's your platform where you installed or-tools?
 
The one I tried with was Windows (8) - on a Py3.5 64 bit install (my normal work desktop). Can try on Ubuntu if you like?
 
@JRichardSnape ubuntu fails for me: no whl distro, pip doesn't support eggs
 
Oooh, nastiness with Ubuntu - no source found.
Ah - you see the same.
 
Cabbage
 
cbg
 
12:09 PM
I guess I'll resort to easy_install for the docker image
 
user6568562
Cbg @PM2Ring [ :
 
@bereal yeah, maybe. Looks like the way they recommend is via the tar from their github page and setup.py
 
Cbg, @randomhopeful. :)
 
user6568562
 
Pity I didn't see this question a bit sooner; now the OP's happily accepted an O(n^2) answer when there's a nice simple O(n) algorithm. Oh well. I guess I should've posted my comment _before_writing my answer. :)
 
user6568562
12:12 PM
@PM2Ring I thought you'd cheer this author : P
 
@randomhopeful Yeah, that's pretty good. And I like how he explains how the type is connected with the object itself not the "variable" name.
 
@bereal It seems you are not alone - see github.com/google/or-tools/issues/63#issuecomment-200148198 and following comments.
 
@PM2Ring actually, it's not quite the same. Never mind :)
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring Yeah, true! He also introduced me to instantiation and that cleared a bit of how objects are created
 
12:19 PM
@RobertGrant It's similar, but the one I just answered is a bit simpler (I think) since (presumably) every key in list2 is guaranteed to exist in list1. Ironically, the accepted answer in the Q you linked also uses a nested for loop, albeit in a list comp. :)
 
Yes I know, I saw that :D
Answer that one and I'll upvote you there as well
A built in zip by key would be useful in each case
 
@PM2Ring Does your soln work if there is a "key" in list 2 that isn't in list 1?
 
@JRichardSnape No, it'll throw a key error. But the OP's and the accepted solution won't work correctly: an unknown key in list2 will just get silently discarded. But I guess I should mention that in my answer.
 
:)
Yeah, probably. I would say maybe the silent discarding is by design, but I imagine in fact it is a latent bug lying in wait for a corner case.
 
@RobertGrant Thanks, I'll think about it. :)
 
12:29 PM
morning everyone
 
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Morning @corvid
 
cbg again
 
@JRichardSnape I guess it's hard to know without knowing more about the queries the OP is doing. Hopefully, it's impossible for a key to appear in list2 that's not in list1; OTOH, as a great man once said, "'impossible' is a word in a fool's dictionary". :)
 
I like it
 
user6568562
12:34 PM
I identify myself in it
 
I'm not quite that furry. Unrealistic beauty standards say I!
 
@corvid hey, cool trick, I didn't know you can embed a webcam preview in SO chat!
 
I'm quite that furry.
 
I am nowadays that fat
 
I am not.
 
12:36 PM
my profile pic actually will have 10th anniversary around this month :d
 
user image
2
Release day. In production in approximately 5 minutes (hence my pose in the background)
 
user6568562
: D Nice
 
Nice :)
 
My new job has an espresso machine ヾ(。◕ฺ∀◕ฺ)ノ
 
for me, every day is a release day
 
12:41 PM
And so it should be for us, but one small step at a time, @AnttiHaapala
 
user6568562
@holdenweb Now I'm curious to know what it's written on your left
 
... @holdenweb that's why I behave crazy all the time
 
Can't believe that's just a photo of some pasty white guys
Sorry - thought this was tumblr!
 
@corvid I'm so close to impulse buying my own setup.
 
@Programmer it's not too much, is it? Like $1000? I think on an average month I spend $300 on coffee (I'm a big time addict)
 
12:47 PM
@AlirezaAfzalghaei please take the time to read the room rules sopython.com/chatroom
 
@corvid About that much, but I don't make a whole lot where I live. :P
 
user559633
@corvid New job? Where did you end up?
 
I like my coffee Middle Eastern style. Sure, it's not as fast as espresso, but it's simple to do, and yummy.
 
@tristan Doing contract role right now in Kendall, small company
 
user6568562
12:52 PM
Yeah, we call it zazwa here. Tastes richer than regular coffee
 
@corvid I can't believe you're just a shill for Big Time
 
Aren't we all, though?
 
Yeah, it's definitely richer. And great for caffeine addicts. :) I don't agree with the recipe on that page I linked: I only let it foam up once, or maybe twice. If you overdo it, it goes bitter and loses some of the subtle smooth flavours.
 
Umm... relatively chuffed with that answer... nice and simple..
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring Exactly [ : And you end up with an unpleasant burnt up taste
 
12:58 PM
@PM2Ring is that the kind that street vendors make with hot sand? (can't click links at work)
 
@randomhopeful it's my first attempt at a mission statement:

As much data as possible
As soon as possible
As reliably as possible
As quickly as possible
While having fun and making money
providing valuable services to the international financial community
 
perhaps I should change my avatar :D:D
 

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