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02:55
I closed this question as a duplicate but it has two very nice answers. Any C gurus around who'd care to comment on whether a merge request should be made? Or even if the closed-target direction should be reversed? Both are well-presented Qs and both have answers of value. Also, it seems to me that the answers are all fit for either question, with little or no required editing.
 
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04:31
> I want to see philosophy and use pointers and memory like my fork while I'm eating.
Is this trolling? Or just a very misguided new user?
05:21
we can only speculate. I would leave them the benefit of the doubt; -5 sends a reasonably strong signal already and the question will roomba in a few days
06:12
@tripleee It let me cast a delete vote on this page. Are we preserving this page for something in particular? (I gave meaningful feedback to the answerer about what I propose is good for the community and referred them to the help page that encourages consolidating duplicate content. My comments appear to be deleted.)
06:26
@jps What a coincidence, I found my irked by the super-useless Related Questions list on How to paginate Array 2 times? PHP just a moment ago -- most of the pages offered are javascript pages.
@mickmackusa not sure what you mean; I proposed deleting it, based on a request you had left in the broomba room
@tripleee the answer is locked because it has disputes. Do we need to allow it to survive a little longer for some good reason?
@mickmackusa oh, this one too? I suppose it's part of the dispute process and not necessarily meaningful in isolation, other than perhaps to give the mods time to explain to either the flagger or the author how the site works and maybe let them draw their own conclusions
07:07
Does this need a MCVE (image of code) or is the image actually important, given they mention the visual warning by the IDE in the form of wiggly lines underneath the call?
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07:50
UI change, Its show related question on bottoms.
Or its, A/B testing and only show for me ?
@4b0 same here
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Ok thanks.
Same here. Probably because it leaves more room for adverts in the right-hand side pane.
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:D
jps
jps
08:07
@4b0 see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/423143/… And there are already userscripts to revert this.
08:42
Is this question about programming? It's a self-Q/A that seems to be solves through customer support/changing account settings
@Adriaan if it's specific to Xcode, I would say it falls under "tools used primarily or exclusively by programmers"
This is NAA, right? Or is there something more than flagging that should/could be done, like a comment advising the poster to use the "Contact us" form to have content removed?
Hmm. An extraa "a" in the naame seems to add a level of confidence. :)
08:58
@AdrianMole it's NAA ("Contact us" is not an answer). And yes, I thought a comment advising to contact SO about legal issues prudent/
I did flag it as NAA - just thought I'd run it in here for additional comments.
@AdrianMole Great minds Adria(a)ns think alike
Does that need r/a flags? I'm pretty sure OP was just trying to meet a content quota and figured that the title ought to be sufficient
@KarlKnechtel I did so
09:37
@KarlKnechtel I'm not sure that "multiple issues with the code" is what "needs focus" is about. That question has a single major issue (addressed in the answers) and a couple of side issues that can be addressed as asides in any answer.
09:54
@AdrianMole if I edited OP so that the code didn't have the other issues, would I be doing something wrong?
@KarlKnechtel Yes, I think so. The a=a, b=b issue has been addressed in one answer. The wrong format specifier for the sizeof() hasn't, but it is mentioned in a comment on the better answer, so the poster of that could well add to their answer.
... ooh, that %zu issue is addressed in Vlad's answer.
10:16
@AdrianMole so if I'm supposed to leave it in because otherwise I'm changing the intent, then I don't see how I can read that as anything other than an intent that involves asking about multiple problems; and I don't see how I can treat that as not "multiple questions in one".
Well, the a=a, b=b, isn't really causing any problem, and using %d instead of %zu didn't (in this case) seem to cause the OP an issue that they noticed - so they're only really asking about one problem.
my understanding was that using %d was the cause of getting the wrong result, because it is UB due to not matching the type size.
(Is there a preferred way that I can indicate that I'm referring to something SD said, without it being interpreted as an attempt at a command?)
@KarlKnechtel there are a few choice words you have to avoid; but then it will add your reply as a comment on the metasmoke page
"false" is a synonym for fp; another common word which trips everyone up all the time is "why" which is a command to repeat the reasons a message was reported
@KarlKnechtel The problem (or the main problem) was the OP using %d as the input format for scanf, when reading the unsigned char variables. Using that in the output is UB but not the OP's asked-about issue.
classifying a Smokey report as a false alarm is useful feedback as such; you are most welcome to sign up for a metasmoke account and (if you want to) request permission by the room owners to interact with Smokey from this room
10:32
IIRC, "why" is a command that anyone can use and is not restricted to those with SD privileges.
true
in fact I suppose it would be nice if there was a way to respond to Smokey without causing it to read it as a command ...
Or, for Pythonistas...
I trust you will be fine with me removing those comments from the metasmoke record
Heh - there's always a catch.
but that's probably a reasonable design; have it ignore anything which starts with punctuation
pretty good, viewed five times and four downvotes
 
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11:56
Coming soon (today?) to SO: A plagiarism flag! {Citation required xD}
Morning
@AdrianMole noice
But the wrong link, really. Better link!
Does this question require code?
12:21
@Adriaan Not sure it requires code, but I think it requires more info. Are they using a Chromecast to show the app display on the monitor?
Yeah, that's something of a grey area. It's a how-to question so it doesn't necessarily need a MRE but... I'm not sure it's answerable as-is?
Maybe Needs Details. How are they running this? What hardware? Does this happen on all Android devices?
^ agreed
13:06
I'm a bit in dubio with this answer. OP was responsive enough to edit their link-only answer to add the code. However, is this a "useful" answer? The question itself asks for an algorithm, in a language agnostic way (Question uses C# code, top answer does Java). This answer just drops a MATLAB code, refers to the top answer (in Java) for the explanation. It does have enough comments within the code to understand it without referring to the java ans
Or more generally put, how much explanation does a code need to classify as an answer on a language-agnostic algorithm question?
@Adriaan A better question might be "is the answer retreading another answer"? That looks an awful lot like a "Me too!" answer. That they have a code block is irrelevant
@Machavity it's not a "me too" in the usual sense (it doesn't say "I'm having this answer too", it does answer).
The reason I'm in doubt here, is because the question asks for an algorithm, which the top answer dutifully provides. This however just gives an implementation in a random language and points to the top answer for the explanation
@Adriaan Sorry, I meant "Here's my answer to this question!" that just so happens to be a block of code that uses the same concepts another answer already provided. Code blocks by themselves that retread other answers aren't necessarily useful
@Machavity so the best course of action here would be for the OP to ask a question along the lines of "How do I implement [link-to-top-answer]'s code in MATLAB?" and self-answer with that code, preferably with more explanation?
13:33
@Vickel OP has edited.. still unclear?
@NotTheDr01ds looks like it got a chatgpt response... mod flagged
@SurajRao better, but IMO still unclear, the 404 could origin eventually from a wrong base_url, but also from a missing route, etc.
13:49
Always good when spammers make it easy for us by using their URL as username
14:02
@Adriaan Well, let me put it a different way. Does that answer have anything not mentioned in the other answers? Or is it merely a block of code that uses the other answers in a way not previously covered? If the answer to both is "No", we do delete those
I think you meant "no" and "yes" ...
Bleh. Could have been phrased better. The TL;DR is that we get a lot of folks who want to share their code that merely implements something already covered. In most cases, there's nothing unique to the answer worth saving
@AdrianMole as the poster of this question, my feedback is that both of these answers were more useful of me than the answer to the duplicated question.
If we don't trim those, you get pages and pages of these "Here's my code" answers that just offer their own take on existing answers. That's not useful
@ReinierTorenbeek I would agree with you. But, although the age of a question isn't really the criterion by which we should judge duplicate closures, that one was really quite old. Which is why I added the comments and linked to the chat, here. I'm happy to re-direct the closures, if that's a consensus.
@Machavity Bleh, meh, whatever. I'm getting used to poor grammar from my Transatlantic, colonial colleagues. ;-P
... cue the Glasses?
14:10
@AdrianMole You're used to our behavior? :P
That's going a bit far...
I remember, many, many moons ago, my first trip to the US of A. Stopped by customs officer ... asked me something ... I answered. Half way through, the officer raised both hands and said, " Slow ... down .. man ... you ... talk ... too ... fast."
heh
i often feel the same way when i need to listen to someone from abroad, it's less that they're speaking too fast, it's that I'm having a hard time pulling words out of the accent
words are beign spoken in ways i'm not used to hearing/understanding, so it takes a bit longer to compute
On many, later visits to the US, I've had folks in shops, restaurants, bars, etc., saying, "I really love your accent." They get a bit confused when I explain that I don't have an accent but they do. :)
14:17
@AdrianMole Woot, the reduce clutter use script was update to move the related questions back to the sidebar \o/
@AdrianMole Us US folks believe that people in the northeastern area of the US (roundabouts Ohio, Pennsylvania, some parts of New York) are pillars of the "Very generic accent" which is pretty much "No accent". We treat the folks that speak in those areas as having very plain accents. The generic voicelines for our landline phone messages (ex. "The number you have reached is no longer in service" lines) were IIRC originally recorded by an Ohio woman because of how "accent-less" they were
I think it's termed the "midwest accent"
Sounds about right
@aynber Yep
14:35
@AdrianMole imagining you sounding like Vicky Pollard
And then there was the Hollywood-invented, "mid-Atlantic" accent. Half way between 'typical' US accent and what was considered "the King's English". Used extensively in the 1940s/50s.
@Spevacus Presumably, those 'parts' of NY state exclude the 'rougher' areas of "Noo Yoyk siddy". :)
@aynber The "midwest accent" is usually considered fairly distinctive. Here's an example of a fairly strong representation of a Minnesota accent youtube.com/watch?v=2vjB3wiZKAA which is one of the midwestern states. I think you might've been thinking of a "Midland" accent corresponding to the Midland states which are thought of as having a more general American accent.
That said, there are many US cities which have very general accents somewhat irrespective of geographical location. This is often referred to as General American English (whatever that means) and outlines a manner of speaking American English rather than a regional dialect.
@AdrianMole Yes indeed ;)
could be midland. It's been awhile
meanwhile, here in the southern us..
14:42
I used to live in southern Illinois. When I moved to northern Indiana, people asked where I got my southern accent from. I didn't think I'd been that far south
.. you're still eatin' whole fried chikkens.
Now I'm much further south, and you can tell the rural natives from the northern transplants
accents here in mississippi are vastly different from what you'd hear in say, southern louisiana, some of the people here have crazy southern accents, while others not so much, and then louisiana has an entirely different accent, it's very noticeable if you recognize it
though... i can't say mississippi without slipping into a southern accent, ;)
I just can't say mississips, ... missus hippy.
@AdrianMole King's English? I prefer a Highland accent :P
14:48
Our current King is far more Scottish (of decent) than he is English. He has two, distinct lines of ancestry tracing back to Robert Bruce, one to the Greek Royal Family but very little English heritage.
Psh, monarchs.
@AdrianMole just don't tell the English ;) An about half of the Scots want to loose him too
Better to have one lunatic per lifetime than several 'elected' lunatics each year?
Depends on the level of lunacy I guess
All rise for King Donald-John (the First of that name)?
14:52
blech
Protector of the Phlegm
As long as the "lunatic" doesn't have all power invested in the single person, like Saudi Arabia, USA, France, Turkey etc, where either the monarch or the president has most, if not all power
15:06
Power is ... current times voltage.
15:37
@Adriaan the US President does not have most of or all the power, actually
they are significantly limited in what they can do
They're just an easy target, given it's 1 person rather than 50
err... 100... and some other number, but the argument still fits
1 person saying these other people aren't sending me things to pass is much weaker than everyone else blaming them for not doing anything.
LMAO at the new "related questions" feature :') suggesting questions about JavaScript, JSON and OAuth 2 on a Linux kernel question.
same problem as before, just more in your face
I do love the experiment: Lets take this thing no one uses and put it front and center and see if no one still uses it. Oh look, people used it, now that it's in their face, so it must actually work, it just wasn't visible enough
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I mean, if their only goal was to reduce bouncing and increase click through rate then they definitely succeeded as their A/B testing shows.
Is that even a goal that makes any sense? Probably not IMO. But whatever.
15:48
they've certainly succeeding in wasting my votes for the day on an old highly upvoted questino about jquery
Yeah, can't say that the related questions aren't interesting... they just aren't even remotely related to the originals I see :').
@MarcoBonelli Me thinks they are trying any and everything to increase monetization, and part of that is more clicks == more ads impressions == more money
if you link to the company page 10 times in the nav bar, you'll get more clicks to the company page than if you only linked once.
it's a funneling strategy. They know that x% of visits to pages x y and z result in a sale, so any method they can use to increase visits to those pages is a win
similarly, they know that each pageview has a chance to reach one of those pages, so increasing pageviews, by keeping users here longer, increases the odds of people reaching those pages.
it's 100% a numbers game, user experience be damned
yeah I wish they would just stop beating around the bush and say why they do any given change
"we are attempting to increase the clickthrough rate of this feature" "we have found this change to be a success in that regard"
OK, now we can stop wasting time asking them why they made the change and just focus on why it's actually harmful for the site.
@NathanOliver most probably, yeah.
15:59
my thought on it is they can do this responsibly, without having a negative impact
i don't understand why they didn't approach it that way
They already present a far more funnel-effective header to anonymous users
why does this feature need to include logged in users?
what benefit does it bring us or them?
we're already here and not just leaving
it would require someone who uses the site to be in charge of the decisions
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those people all left or got fired
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I do find myself being a bit annoyed at the trend that SE has when looking at stats regarding certain changes they make. They seem to look at certain stats and immediately assume that the related change they made was good or exciting. They seem to never ask "Does this stat result actually mean what we want it to mean?"
and now the few who do use the site are not in a position to make decisions on what work is done
@Spevacus oh they have long since fallen prey to Goodhart's Law
if the purpose of this change is to increase the longevity of user sessions, it has no use once the user is logged in. If the purpose is to present relevant (or even useful/interesting) information, it's failing spectacularly
@SurajRao Yup - I only saw the off-topic question after I found the answer in my GPT-hunting. ;-)
16:05
the data they are relying on suggests the former is the goal
@Spevacus it's a widespread issue in the whole tech industry, this "all smiles and compliments" attitude is everywhere, it's good to have positivism on the workplace but sometimes that gets in the way of actually getting things done.
16:21
@Andreasdetestscensorship [tag:cv-pls], not [cv-pls]
@NathanOliver Thanks. Been a while.
np
@Andreasdetestscensorship Also, don't forget to use one the close vote reasons in your request. Pretty sure you are using Not a Programming problem?
The new plagiarism flag is live on the main site. I just handled the first one :-D
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nice
it works for articles too
16:25
kind of odd that it is available on questions too
but I guess it's a good thing for contingencies
@NathanOliver Yes. I haven’t been here for 2-3 years, so I couldn’t remember the correct abbrevation for that, and resorted to «off-topic». The close reasons changed a bit since last time I hung around here.
@TylerH we get those every so often. Last week I had someone post a C++ Q that was a copy pasta of the why is processing a sorted array faster canonical.
@Andreasdetestscensorship No worries, welcome back. If you can/do use user-scripts (Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey) we have a script that adds a button to every Q to request a close vote review right from the Q: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/raw/master/…
@NathanOliver Oh, thanks. That’s useful. :) Wouldn’t have helped me now anyway, as I can’t get user-scripts into this mobile browser.
@Dharman I'll give it a pass.
17:54
@Dharman IMHO, not on topic
@Dharman not on-topic today
18:10
@Dharman I would say lock, it's opinion-based depending on the business case/needs
indeed, some of the answers there say "yes this a good idea, here's why" and some say "no the opposite is a good idea, here's why"
as a point of interest, we have both setups in our environment here at my workplace, though we opt for the separate app and db server design wherever feasible
18:52
there's certainly value in both setups
i tend to prefer separate, but there's a certain level of simplicity when the entirety of an app is contained within a single server
yeah our normal process is usually "oh app is less than X size? start as one server, split to two when we need it and are upgrading next"
19:14
@AdrianMole only used in movies though
 
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Never mind...
@IanCampbell I was about to say, isn't that the same code, just as a snippet?
Yes, I finally figured it out, the side-by-side markdown was messing with me. Sorry.
No worries
Don't tell anyone, but I've made a mistake a time or two as well ;)
unacceptable
the related questions on that GA question isn't doing us any favors
this feature is literally creating ammunition for people to post on meta complaining about closure with proof that other similar questions weren't closed
i don't think it's been used for that yet, but give it time!
21:07
You've been here a lot longer than me, but my experience is that once corporate SO has a change that meets "key metrics", they don't care what we think.
And as you rightly point out, that key metric is more ad views. But hey, gotta pay the bills.
@IanCampbell indeed
fortunately, there's definitely been cases where community outcry has resulted in a corporate SO doing more research and, again using data, reaching an alternative conclusion
it's certainly not common
21:22
Unfortunately our negative reactions to their changes just gets used against us to show how negative we are
lol, just saw the currently chatting window on MSO and it's us and SOBotics as the two listed rooms :)
chat is ded
it's almost as if nothing has been done in 12 years to improve/promote it
chat doesn't make any money
it also doesn't funnel users to teams
i did find it a little funny that they used the term funnel as part of their note that they'll be adding more data tomorrow
21:50
@halfer heads-up: that suggested edit was bad.
@RyanM Ah, thanks - will take another look
@RyanM I am not sure that we can expect suggested edits reviewer to be familiar with every error message. Sure, if that was in quotes, but the fact that "ModelForm has no model class specified" is even an error message takes subject matter expertise.
i mean
that doesn't mean it shouldn't be rejected, ofc
22:01
@IanCampbell I disagree; I have never used Django in my life and was able to work it out with a guess and a Google search. Admittedly, what I do have subject matter expertise in is edits to poorly written posts...so something like that does stand out to me as something that's likely to be a verbatim error message.
That said, I don't think I'd, like, suspend a reviewer for missing it. But where the reviewer is around for a quick heads-up, like here, I might tip them off to it as something to look for.
What specifically was the problem with the edit suggestion? It's not clear to me what caused the rejection here.
@TylerH The title edit, as noted in my rejection message: "ModelForm has no model class specified" is an error message. Do not rephrase error messages.
Yeah, I mean, sure, I would appreciate if someone told me I missed something like that. But just in general, I don't think that level of scrutiny can be expected from reviewers.
Yeah, I can certainly agree with it being a lot to expect from reviewers. I certainly didn't intend to suggest that @halfer is on review probation for missing it or anything :-)
I was also thinking more from perspective of the user that suggested the edit. Overall, a pretty good improvement, they just slipped up because of not knowing the error message was a quote. Although, there's a bit of fluff to get rid of too...
22:07
Yeah, fair... although as you note with the fluff, I'd call it an okay improvement. Most of it was fixing the grammar and spelling of the fluff :-)
@RyanM Oh, thanks, I didn't think to look for that, since it is small dark grey text on a dark blue background...
(also the question is a low-quality duplicate, so it should probably be deleted in a few days, which would take the rep from the suggestion anyway.)
Considering the full context, had I known that it was an error message and I were the reviewer, I probably would have selected 'edit and approve' to not only fix that mistake by the editor but also go further (e.g. remove some meta commentary).
I am swayed by your "it was obvious from the abrupt change spelling in the title" argument though...
I concur that a reviewer approving that should not be suspended (at least certainly not as a one-off), but I do also think that it is easy to miss that it was an error message
but this is indeed a small fry
22:11
I could imagine making an edit to a title like that though, even in my area of expertise. I try not to see error messages. =P
@TylerH sigh, didn't we just have a project to fix accessibility issues like this? Sure enough, the contrast ratio is too low (3.65, should be 4.5).
is there an upper range where the contrast is too high
From an accessibility perspective, no; from a design perspective, I believe pure black/pure white are disfavored except for using pure black as a background on OLED displays.
(disclaimer: I'm a lot more knowledgeable about accessibility than design)
i also tend to dislike pure black backgrounds, they just... don't look right
One of the network mods, who I can't remember right now, turned me on to Dark Reader. No longer do I have to painfully look at too bright or too dark things on the internet.
22:27
There is a good chance it was me
@RyanM A probation might be helpful to me - I'd get so much life stuff done if I didn't have all these posts to edit! 😺
Wow, the revision section of your profile almost crashes the site. That is impressive.
22:46
@IanCampbell I've some catching up to do - I'm only #3 in the editing charts 😼

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