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00:53
@Dharman Joking :) Not used to actually having much to upvote. Just happened to be looking for something a little obscure and SO had it.
01:26
@TylerH What I was getting at was...I'm just going to quote myself, actually, since I've optimized this phrasing from a lot of feedback.
> Stack Overflow is a code-writing service, in the sense that it is a programming Q&A site, and most questions here are solved by writing code in the answer. It is not a debugging helpdesk for askers—we do not require that askers provide existing code to debug. Lack of problem-solving effort is not a reason to close or otherwise object to questions. The only type of effort we require is the effort required to ask a clear, focused, non-duplicate question. Including an attempt often adds noise and results in answers that are applicable to just the original asker, rather than anyone doing the same thing. Many of the most useful questions on the site do not include an existing attempt at solving the problem.
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03:01
@RyanM would you say that for debugging-problem questions (not how-to questions), any amount of debugging that would help to create a more minimal example falls under definition effort instead of problem-solving effort?
@starball Yes, I'd agree with that. I also think debugging questions are, in general, the least useful ones. They tend to only apply to the asker's circumstances.
There are, of course, exceptions.
But yeah, for debugging questions specifically, doing some sort of general debugging both helps to more narrowly define the problem, as well as eliminate "typo" questions and duplicates.
03:37
@RyanM got it. thanks! would you consider editing your kinds of effort in how-to Qs to add a small clarification section linking to your debugging-helpdesk post, and to say that debugging effort in debugging questions generally falls under definition effort and not problem-solving effort?
I know your kinds-of-effort post is an answer to a question about how-to questions and not debugging-problem questions, but it would help to prevent accidental misinterpretation or taking it out of context and applying it to debugging questions against your intentions.
04:22
@RyanM Can you delete this request. The code was added.
 
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07:50
a memorable experience through [Spanish Translation Services](https://www.stackoverflow.com/) somebody messed up the spam template
08:08
@4b0 Hmm, question to mods: does it make sense to both flag such a post and del-vote it? I kind of want to do both.
4b0
4b0
@VLAZ Just 2OK deletion is enough for first post, don't want to add more task for mods :)
08:26
@VLAZ given the domain's history, pretty safe bet
09:12
@DaImTo why do you think this is related to programming?
09:32
@blackgreen because its related to the date that can be sent to the Google analytics api to retrieve data back. Why wouldn't it be? The api has a data processing latency time frame of 24 - 48 hours.
@DaImTo the main question seems to be "for example, at 5 Am can I be sure I am receiving all the info regarding yesterday?" this doesn't seem a programming matter
@blackgreen yes they want to retrieve all of yesterdays data from the API, this is not posable due to data processing latency.
@blackgreen Would you also think that someone asking about the dimensions and metric usage of an api is not programming related?
The question is not "how do I retrieve data from XYZ api". The OP has code that works, they aren't asking about debugging. It is asking about an implementation detail of a third-party API, which IMHO is not about programming.
Perhaps it can be edited to be on-topic, although right now I don't have a suggestion for that
10:05
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
10:29
@karel Mod flags do not go to ROs. Don't flag stuff you want moved
11:25
Can moderators see the "Saves" of other users? this remark from the official post seems to have had no follow up
No, we still can't see them
12:19
Is this an answer?
nnnnnnot really, no
@Adriaan barely. And I really have to squint to call it that. I'd not be bothered if you chose to NAA flag it. Essentially, the question asks "Is this an issue or am I missing something here?" and the post you linked to seems to confirm it's an issue. Would have been better if it wasn't a generic support reply, though but something like "Yes, this is an issue in <current version>. It has been reported and will be fixed <link to bug tracker or something>."
@VLAZ thanks. I ended up mod flagging, since this appears to be a pattern for this user. Will see what the mods reply
@Adriaan The user has MSFT in the name. It's a pattern for all of those...
@VLAZ yup. Not my first flag on an MSFT support account with bad habits...
12:35
Petition to ban Microsoft
@ZoestandswithUkraine aye
They're getting bolder and more entitled each day. Could this already be seen as rude?
@Lino Nah. Flagging that as rude would be unfriendly. ;)
Some people just don't get how Stack Overflow is supposed to work. (Including many of its employees!)
@AdrianMole Well you're right. If I find something like this rude then it may be better to just disengage SO for today :)
15:15
oh joy, just found
uh, so I've got an interesting post if someone wants to let me know if I should mod flag this or not. stackoverflow.com/a/74519762/1043380 The first sentence is a comment, then the rest is a (bad) copy-paste of my answer.
welp, guess that answered that.
@gunr2171 It's gone now.
@gunr2171 I would say flag it for plagiarism, but Machavity's already nuked it
(I would have mod flagged it)
oh, it's the OP
not particularly plagiarism so much as a 'thanks', yeah. One of those cases where the OP doesn't quite understand the structure of the site
15:18
Yeah, the OP posted it as a "thanks". I don't think it's plagiarism. Can definitely flag those
as NAA or custom with "comment + NAA"?
NAA would probably be OK. The opening sentence is odd enough it wouldn't be confused for an answer
Same user posted this, NAA.
Question from '15, answer from last summer. Comment at best.
Avoid user targeting please
It's NAA as well. But, yeah, we need to stop talking about their history
16:00
Is this question opinion based or not?
16:21
@Lino I think so
but it also looks like OP mixed up their pro and their con?
16:39
What in the world...
16:55
@TylerH I think OP meant to relate their pro and con with the two different code snippets. But somehow mixed it up. So I'm also not sure what statement belongs to which code block
 
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21:05
stackoverflow.com/questions/74523756/… has a picture containing excessive foul language (IMO; I do get the joke). Would that be a flag for author improvement, R/A, or custom mod? I'm leaning towards R/A, but the image really needs to be replaced by the author.
Given the content of the answer, is this about programming? stackoverflow.com/q/54881205/1255289
Not sure. It looks like it's related to programming but it's not something that can be answered here; it requires reaching out to Facebook and asking about their specific app and why login permissions were revoked
I wasn't sure if it should be classed as a straight-up customer service question or not.
@TarHalda I don't think an R/A flag would be out of line, since it can't just be edited out of the question, as you say
21:40
I was just informed that the official kubernetes documentation redirects/encourages users to ask questions on stack overflow. Example: go to some documentation page (e.g.: https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/containers/images/#image-pull-policy), click the feedback-button at the bottom o fthe page, and it will display:

> Thanks for the feedback. If you have a specific, answerable question about how to use Kubernetes, ask it on Stack Overflow. ...

I feel that the redirect to Stack Overflow is wrong. WDYT?
@Turing85 I would recommend opening an issue on their GitHub asking them to change that link from SO to whatever the K8S Se site is
@TylerH this is my plan. But I'd like some more responses, so we have some kind of consensus on this.
22:40
@Turing85 typescript's github issues template for questions also does this redirection. Although it's worth noting that right under that, they provide an alternative of asking via chat help channels on their Discord server.
@starball well... typescript is a programming language...
In the current state of things where SO doesn't do active onboarding, it could be worth considering politely asking/discussing whether k8s and typescript can at least redirect to the how-to-ask page.
@Turing85 ah nvm then. sorry
meh
hopefully the active onboarding system will exist at some point in the future and not be a flop

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