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02:04
Is this privilege abuse? (answer&hammer) stackoverflow.com/q/74422520/2943403 I vaguely recall Machavity saying that we should mod-flag these so that the offending user gets a talking to.
02:23
@mickmackusa I think this is what you're thinking of wrt. Machavity's guidance on the topic. Though that was a slightly different situation involving reopening a question closed as a dupe, answering, then reclosing the question.
 
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04:46
they marketing their channel with a username failure boy?
 
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06:03
hi
@Andrew hello, and welcome to SOCVR. Please check out the room FAQ from the links in the room description
06:31
Hehe, I like the description of what kind of spam it is... Keto spam? Not wasting my flags, but carpets? Let it burn!
07:19
@IanCampbell I'm on a low carb carpet flag diet.
07:56
@mickmackusa Wrong chat room? We also don't moderate Meta in SOCVR.
08:24
*_*
08:44
there's another NAA on the same page ^
09:30
@mickmackusa Could you ping me in the Meta room if it's about meta, or in the election chat room if it's about the election? I'd be happy to answer there.
10:52
@mickmackusa not unless it happens more often
11:12
maybe that should be review-pls but my conclusion is that it's not good faith
@gnat I had forgotten to cast a del vote on that
@SurajRao it is
11:53
^^^ @blackgreen you may be interested in checking that, then. Asker and answerer just swapped roles compared to one you wanted to delvote. Smells of sock puppet, although not strong enough for flagging
the tag generally looks like a cesspool of bad content, it's apparently a GTA mod
@gnat fishy indeed
the presence of the approved edit doesn't look good, although there's no upvotes on the question
anyway with these two deletions the newer account is going to have no rep, if it's really a sock that could prompt more fishy Q&As
@blackgreen so fishy accounts should have more rep?
12:02
yes, if they want to upvote each other
Actually I'm more inclined to think the two accounts are friends or schoolmates
anyway there isn't enough to come to conclusions for now, IMO
12:19
@blackgreen when in doubt, flag for a mod. They have tools and all the history for users, also stuff you can't see anymore (for example deleted posts etc)
@Adriaan quite a few of the answers there are a variation to the theme of "update MongoDB", usually with different versions
12:48
@ThierryLathuille that's account abuse and can be modflagged
Yes, please flag those
We reached 2k mod flags. šŸŽ‰
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I don't know how this is even possible as I handle some every day
@Dharman Save some for the new one!
down from 4k in 10 days? are you sure you need a new mod? :D
@blackgreen no, not the overall number of flags.
I meant that we reached the highest number of mod flags so far
There were 40 pages yesterday and now we have 41 pages
13:01
you mean that this is the first time the number of custom flags gets to 2k?
I believe so
we really need a new mod :)
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it's not so bad, but there are more new flags than we can handle
so it keeps growing
one thing I know for sure, even if the current mods, no matter how many, can handle everything and then burn out, everyone is sad
also, almost 50% of these flags are from a single user
Wow. And I thought my 10 pending flags were stretching it
geez louise, that's a lot
I didn't think you could raise that many flags in a short time
13:09
I suspect they were raised over a certain length of time, but are time-consuming to handle and pile up
one of my custom mod flags hangs pending for about 3 months now - since Aug 20
we are back below 2k now
@aynber You can raise up to 100 post flags per day
@gnat not anymore
Ah, so that's like 10 days of flags
for it to be 50%
13:19
Comment flags are separate so you could raise up to 200 flags per day ;)
13:40
@Dharman Just one new moderator? It sounds like we could use eight new mods.
14:37
@RyanM if everyone would downvote low-effort questions we'd have much less of an issue, I think. Questions at -4 don't show up on the front page, but usually when I see close votes or comments indicating a bad question, I do not see accompanying downvotes
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I mean, they're even free on questions!
@TylerH The downvote is a more powerful resource than many users realize. I'm actually surprised that none of the mod candidates specified continued use of their downvotes as the answer to the "What would you keep doing the same?" question.
... after all, a downvote from a moderator is no different from one from any other user.
@TylerH but it is not welcoming! \s
(Although a binding downvote as a new mod privilege would be ... um ... interesting!)
What would a binding downvote do?
After it has been cast, no-one else can cast upvotes. ;)
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14:44
@AdrianMole Also prevents edits that would "invalidate" the downvote.
@TylerH Even stranger are posts from del-pls requests that have no downvote
@AdrianMole Heh. We kinda get that already. It's called a lock. Same thing, just doesn't need a downvote
@JasonLiam Not sure that's a typo; more of a misunderstanding of the nature/structure of a std::array object and its initializer list. Probably a duplicate, though ...
@JasonLiam That was asked ~11 minutes ago. I'm not sure why that would need to be deleted so immediately.
@AdrianMole Is the one in the comments correct?
@HenryEcker Possibly. But I'm sure there's one somewhere that has much the same answer by much the same answerer. ;)
@HenryEcker ... like any of these ??
15:03
Is this even on-topic (SD report): How can I send email through app using api
@VLAZ well, most, if not all answers, boil down to a tool rec
@Adriaan Yes, the answers are terrible, I agree. The question is also...questionable, for me.
definitely too broad
@VLAZ why's that in the twillio collective btb? Was it added manually, or because someone linked to that site or ...?
@Adriaan ¯\_(惄)_/¯ it's supposed to be tag-based. But are any of those Twilio tags?
Ah, is part of the Twilio collective
15:12
That explains it
15:46
Am I going crazy or does it look like there is itialics in this code block? stackoverflow.com/questions/74492091/…
@NathanOliver Not crazy. It seems to start in the middle of del_dur
and switches every time there's an underscore
dbc
dbc
@NathanOliver If I edit the post, the italics do not show in the preview. Weird.
Thanks for the conformation. Must be something broken then as the editor preview shows the code correctly.
someone just fixed it by adding lang_c after the fences
15:54
@NathanOliver It's possibly this issue, maybe because of both the [c] and [c++] tags on the question at that time? Adding the language to the code block seems to have fixed it. Perhaps removing one of the 2 language tags would have worked as well.
Could be. Maybe SO can pick up some twitter free agents to help with the code base :)
I don't see any italics
even in prior revisions
maybe it's only visible in the rendered page?
since tags come into effect there
yeah, it was only in the rendered page, which made it weird
@TylerH it only showed on the live post
16:11
@NathanOliver I can confirm that Nathan wasn't hallucinating, as I remember seeing the italics inside the code-block, as well.
... well, in that respect he wasn't hallucinating. Don't know about other situations.
Good qualification to put in there, I'm not sure either ;)
Do you keep seeing green bubbles on your browser, with numbers like "+10" in them?
Why yes. They were they yesterday and this morning, but I haven't seen them since. I did have some red bubbles but those were scary so I ran away from them.
but those are the tasty ones!
they taste like strawberry
16:33
LOL i.sstatic.net/nXHc3.png this makes no sense; they support Safari but not Firefox?
They have to go out of their way to block FF like this and not support it... so odd
Edge but not FireFox
Very odd. I've always though FF was fairly HTML compliant.
@aynber edge is just chrome with a different skin now.
@aynber Oddly enough, that actually makes sense. Edge, Safari and Chrome are all the children of WebKit/Blink. FF has its own engine entirely, and I've seen it do some odd things from time to time
hmm, there is that
@aynber Edge is easy because it's just Chrome but reskinned (like Brave)
@Machavity Safari uses WebKit which is not what Edge and Chrome use anymore; Chrome (Chromium) has been on Blink for many years now
16:46
I just still have the old IE abhorrence. Takes awhile to get over it
almost 10 years I think
new abbreviation from homework cheaters: "WAQTD". Stands for Write A Query To Display. Reads even more cryptic than WAP
sheesh
@TylerH WebKit backports a lot of Blink in from what I've seen in years past. Blink just dropped a lot of legacy support. They're still close enough I lump them together
17:13
@Machavity So what you're saying is Apple is just being lazy with WebKit? :-P
"oh Chrome added this feature, let's import it as a dependency so Safari can do it too"
honestly would not be surprised if that happens there
Apple: "We were doing WebKit before WebKit was cool"
Microsoft: "You stole our tablet keyboard so we're stealing Blink. Neener neener"
@Machavity They also stole the tablet idea altogether: finance.yahoo.com/news/…
oh, has a burnination-request meta post... annoying. I removed it from a question or two that came across my queue.
18:13
Just came across a 13 year old, locked code-golf question. Is there a reason this isn't just migrated to codegolf.stackexchange.com?
Was too old for migration
18:41
not really a good candidate for locking though tbh
but it has upvotes, so it must be preserved
hmm, looks like shog wanted to keep that one around.
not able to find a meta post on it
Here's Shog9 talking about it (had to find the date he locked it and match it with Meta posts)
tl;dr his argument is if one think code golf is something worth doing/ valuable then all CG questions on SO basically are worth preserving with a historical lock
Also think they probably could've just done a better job when implementing the migration system so that we aren't hamstrung for questions older than 5 seconds
that even Shog as a CM with dev access couldn't migrate the question is not a stellar review of the feature
I never understood my they limited CM's like that. Why not give them the power to move posts to the new sites that are dedicated for it?
19:05
*I'm just reading the FQ post on migration for the first time right now. I should have read it before asking here. sorry about the noise! and thanks for responding :) esp Machavity for digging up Shog9's post
19:25
@mickmackusa personally I'm not convinced collapse should be bruninated, I just had to get an extension recently to collapse stuff. By comparison seems like a datatype/functionality tag that can be useful.
If it's CSS/HTML one could argue the select/summary element should be the substitute, and having further tags if it's not HTML, but the retagging guidance isn't mentioning alternatives this time.
accordion is another useful possibility for HTML/CSS
I just hit a few on elasticsearch, that apparently doesn't mean show/hide
20:08
Does anyone know of a userscript I can run outside of stackoverflow.com domain that would allow me to trigger delete comment action?
I guess that's too specific.
@Dharman Like on some other stack, or delete a comment on some other site entirely?
localhost
I am thinking of static HTML page that would let me delete a comment on Stack Overflow given comment ID
In other words you are looking for a static link to deleting a SO comment
20:14
i mean
if the link linked to SO, and you had a userscript that would intercept something in the url and take an action,
@KevinB It looks like delete comment uses a POST with a key, so not trivial
Yeah, the URL structure is https://stackoverflow.com/posts/<postid>/vote/10 with a POST of the fkey
fkey must be some user session token used for validation
you'd have a comment id, which presumably can get you to the delete comment button
It sounds like it is set up this way to prevent XSS. So your user script might open you up to deleting any comment for which somebody tricked you into clicking the link.
20:20
@StephenOstermiller It's definitely a token of some sort, but it's more than some mere session. It doesn't match any SO cookies
The only place you can get it is from the StackExchange JS object in StackExchange.options.user.fkey
The fkey is provided in most SE pages. It's used, in addition to the cookies, to identify the user within most SE AJAX requests.
OMG. arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/11/… I am so glad I don't work at Twitter.
"Anyone who actually writes software, please report to the 10th floor at 2 pm today. Before doing so, please email a bullet point summary of what your code commands have achieved in the past ~6 months, along with up to 10 screenshots of the most salient lines of code"
Like, yeah let me take some screenshots of code. Do you want those to be full length page shots from a web browser? Or should they fit on 8.5 x 11 sheets of paper
Reminds me of a former "manager" who demanded I make it so our website "could no longer be copied"
Also rofl at "If possible, I would appreciate it if you could fly to SF to be present in person"
Strong "it's a banana, michael, what could it cost, $12?" vibes
@Machavity Is your former manager the governor of Idaho?
or wait, was it Montana...
@TylerH Missouri maybe?
20:30
@aynber yeah, there's accordion menu collapsing, but we already have for that. You can also collapse a data structure into a more compact method. Collapse could also refer to something breaking/falling apart.
@Machavity oh wow I had no idea it was that far east. I thought it was a western state
@TylerH hoo boy
"The best people are staying, so Iā€™m not super worried," Musk wrote after sending an ultimatum 'saying they must commit to "working long hours at high intensity" in order to keep their jobs'. source
Yeah, right, the "best people" are staying. I doubt it. The people who are staying are the ones who don't want to be looking for another job. That the person is willing to work long hours doesn't necessarily make them the "best".
Normally I'd insert a joke about this not being rocket science here, but I get the impression Musk is trying his SpaceX managerial theories out on a software company
I mean, I stopped thinking so highly of Musk after he started spouting that Teslas were basically self driving cars (something he still thinks). They can't do that, something that has been proven
20:52
Things really went downhill IMO when he got those stock option awards catapulting him from net worth of $5 billion to whatever it is now
glad to see the awards are being litigated in court, personally
21:04
I feel bad for the twitter employees but I kind of hope twitter just implodes. I very much am not a fan of Elonn.
22:47
^ btw, answer looks like NAA
22:59
@jmoerdyk The OP has now edited code into the Q - any good?
Still not enough code to repro his problem as described, imo
Do you think that "Please do not spoon-feed" is an acceptable comment on a GMTC-Question?
no
spoon-feeding is precisely what people who arrive on such a question are looking for
(ideally though it should be done as an answer... not a dozen comments)
@KevinB yeah sorry, I was inprecies. I meant "... on an answer to a GMTC-Question ..."
23:32
@Turing85 No: if the question is suitable for Stack Overflow, then we shouldn't be encouraging people to post incomplete answers. If the question is not suitable, that should be the focus: don't answer questions that should be closed until they are improved, as it makes it harder to improve them without invalidating existing answers (and also makes it harder to delete them if not improved).

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