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Does anyone know if ignoring a user in chat works both ways?
@Scratte let's see, I'll try to ignore you :D
Fine with me :)
It's easy to undo..
ok seriously now, I don't get the question
Ha! That's funny :)
There's an option on every user for you to ignore them
When you choose to do it, you don't see any of their messages.
01:15
no kidding!!!!!
So.. I just want to know if it works both ways.
So if you ignore me.. will I still see your messages in chat?
I would find it strange if it worked both ways, but I really don't know
You can ignore me, no? And keep talking :)
I tried it a while ago, and I found it irritating that the avatar still moves around in the present users.
@Scratte you want to run an experiment?
Sure :) I have no problems being ignored :)
01:23
I can verify either of you are talking to the other if needed.
OK, I will ignore you in 10'' for 1 minute...
Remember to keep talking :)
lalalla... lallala (ignore everyone, this is for Scratte only)
Mary had a little lamp...
Ha! I can see that..
@scratte do you read?
01:25
@desertnaut scratte can see this yes. You can't see the other way it seems
which makes sense
of course I cannot, and yes it does indeed
... ok, how I disable ignoring him, now that I have no access to his username????
$#^%$&^%*#@
LOL!
My avatar is still there.. it's just tiny :)
HELP! I am missing Scratte :(
01:27
Click on it.. and you'll get the option to un-mute me :)
This is hilarious :D
Should be able to click on the icon in the list of people in the room no?
@Scratte?? talk to me bro!
I can see you now!
In your profile. you can also see the list of people you're ignoring.
I'm here :)
@Scratte YYYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHH
@Scratte yeah, that would work, if I could see what you were writing!!!
01:30
Well.. I can still see what you're saying, so I'm completely in the dark if someone is ignoring me. Which is good, I suppose :)
I have un-ignored you now, but yes, you are right
@desertnaut I think Henry Ecker tried to help you :)
It was a fun experiment. Thank you :)
@Scratte yeah! we should do it more often :D
01:33
Next time I want to check something, I'll find you :)
Next time make it more fun. Try to see if you get more or less wet when you run or walk under the rain; if lions bite when called bad names; answer a heavily downvoted question
@Vega Already done that last thing.. :)
Does it bite back?
@Vega do lions bite people who answer heavily downvoted questions in the rain?
@Vega Downvoted Questions don't bite ;)
01:39
@RyanM Only if ou don't run
Also.. you get more wet when you run :)
I live in a place where it rains all year round. We have two seasons: Green winter and gray winter.
@Scratte Should have been "bite"
I have once been less than a meter from a lion. They're huge! Like really really big cats.
@Scratte We have rainy summer and dry summer (even though dry is relative, most of it is very humide)
If I had to pick a big cat to be next to, I'd want it to be a cheetah. They seem the least aggressive.
01:43
@RyanM Yes. They make great friends.. if they like you.
I'm quite confident that a cheetah could maul me if it wanted to, but I think the chances are lowest of it deciding to. Of course, I'd generally want to stay on the opposite side of a barrier from any non-tame big cats.
I've always liked lynxes
Do they count as a "big cat"?
Wait, but cheetahs are not big cats, right?
They are just big cats but not "big cats" as of the species :)
I heard lions are most likely to kill you. They don't like strangers to the pack and they don't much care that you're a different species. If you're not a part of the group, you're either food or the enemy.
@HenryEcker Medium cats? :) Medium to rare in my area ;)
@Vega Hmmm, apparently the answer is "it's complicated" but they are at least a different genus than all the rest...a genus of which they're the only member.
01:51
Unlike rainbows and unicorns.
So I think, mostly, you're right.
@RyanM They have dog like paws, as I remember
They sound like a cat and don't roar
Their meows are strange but adorable.
How cute! I love them, too :)
02:07
@Scratte I have indeed, that was in large part what my statement was based on :-)
That's a long kiss, huh? :D
02:21
Hello guys
I answered the following question:
Can you please review why I got downvoted?
The question is about getting a number and I think I did that :(
@mickmackusa. Should I delete my answer then please?
I guess I answered based on what is needed?
What do you think please?
@Avra I cannot explain the dv on your answer. I do not code in python. If you wish the OP to clarify their exact desired output as part of a clear, complete, verifiable question, you are welcome to ask via a comment under the question. If you are confident that your answer is correct, valuable, and will help future researchers, then ignore the dv and move on. If you have doubts about the desired output, then you might like to delete your answer until the question is clearer.
If you think the question is Unclear, vote to close it as Unclear.
A question should not be made clear by an (accepted) answer. A good question will be clear without any influence from answers. We must first ensure that questions are perfectly clear before we endeavor to answer them.
When we tolerate Unclear questions, we invite potentially incorrect answers for years into the future -- this damages the Researcher eXperience and makes curation harder for those who care.
I personally hate no-comment-downvotes because they are not constructive. If I see a negatively voted answer that appears correct to me, I neutralize it. In your case, I do not have sufficient expertise to assess the correctness.
@Avra The question (while potentially unclear overall) is asking for a few things: 1. I would like to get each value in between () 2. the string before () and 3. the number after the =
Breaking down the solution attempt. OP is using regex pattern "(.*?)" for (1), pattern (.*?)\( for (2) and is having trouble with (3). The number after the =.
Your patterns appear to only address collecting numbers from the strings. Not including the = sign logic nor including either of the first 2 "solved" portions
@mickmackusa I agree that a comment about why/where the answer was lacking could have greatly benefited here.
 
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@DavidBuck Congratulations on your full set of steward badges :)
@bad_coder @U12-Forward doesn't usually occure to you these type of questions are duplicates? I'd be at 100k rep if I were answering questions like that instead of closing them.
 
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06:46
Is this spam?
If you have to ask...
 
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Maybe go with "needs more focus" as it seems to ask two distinct questions (server and interface)
It's definitely been treated as a recommendations question over the years, so I'm going to go ahead and close it as such, even though you might be able to envision an edit that would make it not purely recommendation.
@bad_coder Thanks. It almost makes the pointless drudgery of H&I seem worthwhile, just to have a full set.
@DavidBuck lol, I'll tell you why I think H&I was worth it. I went through H&I at the height of the Triage suspension affair. So I read every thread on editing the was to read, to make sure I wasn't suspended for wrongful incomplete editing.
These days, when I see editing/suggested edit reviews on other sites I find most users don't know a subset of the criteria :P
So you think other sites need a suspension intervention?
@CodyGray I don't know about suspensions, but I've seen too many overhaul suggested edits get reject for no apparent reason whatsoever. (I'm on the fence if it's worth trying to hustle 500 worthy edits for the +2 rep, since reviewers will reject regardless of what you do - and I wonder how this impacts less experienced users trying to legitimately gain their first rep points by improving the site.)
Ah, that's a completely different issue. Yeah, "heroic" edits are very difficult to get through the suggested edit queue, and for good reason. They tend to be substantial deviations from the original meaning of the question, and we want reviewers to be wary of approving those.
08:29
@CodyGray example: you remove salutations, fix 10 typos, stylize tech names (all in 1 single post) - no change in meaning. Apparently a lot of reviewers think posts are best left containing those errors.
@bad_coder That... would be the wrong decision on the part of those reviewers, no question. :-)
@CodyGray I think I'm gonna let them keep rejecting my edits, and raise a worthy flag around the 10-20 undue rejections.
I don't know what you think a flag is going to do... Gain some sympathy from a moderator, maybe... at best.
@CodyGray if it doesn't do anything, I'll consider ceasing my edits on those specific sites.
@bad_coder Well, my comment wasn't a slight against the moderators. I just don't know what you expect a moderator to do about such a flag.
08:36
If it's well-written and describes specific problematic reviewing, it could potentially result in the handing out of review suspensions. But I'm not sure you'd need 10-20 for that, especially if it's the same reviewers.
@CodyGray it's a tough spot. Handing out a review suspensions might not change much, but posting on those site's metas linking to canonical's on editing and pointing out my suggested edits shouldn't have been rejected also casts a spotlight on specific users something I don't want to do under any circumstance. So I tend to get a fell for what time of the day the sympathetic reviewers check the queue and submit my edits then...
@RyanM I'm considering it...
@bad_coder I think the Meta strategy makes more sense, honestly, just avoid pointing out specific users.
The thing is, you're probably going to need to educate the mods as much as the users, and Meta is a better place for that than a flag.
@SurajRao The thing to look for is whether it repeats the same solution that was already posted. If so, yes, NAA. If not, edit.
@CodyGray "a curator's work is never done" (I appreciate your support on the possibility of posting on meta.)
08:42
I always support any attempt to call out a moderator for being wrong :-)
The only change I see is they are saying to use 'name' instead of 'user_name' with ref to this answer I think
@CodyGray Sometimes I forget how much more well-oiled the Stack Overflow moderation machine is compared to other SE sites...I once had a flag declined elsewhere for using a custom flag to point out why a post was spam.
@RyanM That.. actually sounds more like an SO problem than a non-SO problem. Generally, mods on other sites are much more forgiving about not using standard flags.
@RyanM It's a different reality outside of SO regarding curation... A lot of folks are oblivious to rules we take for granted here.
@CodyGray Perhaps surprisingly, I've only ever had one flag declined on SO for failure to use standard flags. It was my first decline, before I understood how flagging worked.
08:49
I've offered to run moderator training bootcamps, but no one seemed interested ;-)
@CodyGray They should be mandatory
@CodyGray I've seen you running broad community bootcamps on SO chat/meta successfully :)
Non-English answers typically aren't salvageable
Unless you're a domain expert and wish to rewrite it
@JeanneDark Deleting the text would basically be an improvement. Google translate tells me it translates to essentially "try this"
08:59
Ugh. "Try this" answers are the bane of my existence, regardless of language.
More specifically it says "If you are using async what proceeds is to put the code as follows, it works like this for me:" which doesn't seem very useful as a description
I agree
"If you are using async, try this to use async:"
Also for reference, DeepL seems to have a better translation: "If you are using async what you should do is to put the code in the following way, it worked like this for me:"
Reads more naturally in English.
09:04
@VLAZ Huh. TIL that existed.
It's also new for me.
My German friend is a huge fan of DeepL. It often produces better German->English translations than Google Translate.
Interesting. Though no Indian or arabic languages... sticking to google translate.
No Latin, either. Or Welsh. The selection is a lot more limited than Google Translate. Probably half the languages at most. Maybe a third.
There are so many languages.
No Faroese, either. Or Pawnee.
09:12
People are so selfish - they should all just learn one single language. Is that too much to ask? For everybody to speak Klingon?
English? Yeah, I agree.
You folks say "Esperanto" weirdly.
I've heard Esperanto was constructed to be easy but it really didn't take off.
@VLAZ Presumably because it didn't have rich enough support for puns.
Ooh, they shipped without a critical feature.
09:17
This is why everyone loves English. And also, coincidentally, related to why they hate learning it.
@CodyGray Are you sure? :)
Oh, if only we had a Q&A about that one... no wait, we do!
Pun support in Esperanto is first-order.
 
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@Juraj I see you are a mod at Arduino SE; would this make sense there?
I must say that Why are static variables considered evil? seems blatantly POB, but can a question with 266k views and 676 upvotes be wrong...?
@DavidBuck O sweet summer child, that's nothing. We had a "programmimg on a boat" and "best programming joke" that got more views and upvotes than that. Does that mean they are good questions?
@Braiam I liked "best programming joke" but can certainly see why that wouldn't be encouraged.
11:38
Assume good faith or is this just spam?
@desertnaut not really. but OP did ask it there right now.
@Juraj ok, thanks - I will flag it for cross-posting, leaving also a comment
@JeanneDark My humble opinion is to let it slide as a NAA. But wondering if the question is on-topic...
thank you
I assume spam. It's 1 rep user and there was no attempt to share any other information but the link.
11:49
Thanks, now it's gone
@Dharman already posted by Suraj above
Sorry, I missed it again.
this is marked as a duplicate of a question which would otherwise be slam-dunk delv-pls, can we find a better duplicate for it? stackoverflow.com/questions/68463223/…
12:49
> I have a lot of different emojis on my shit, how can I replace them with beautiful ones?
What?
@Vega And that's how we got the poop emoji
Hahaha, yes, there is an effort to make it look cute
Morning o/
 
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14:38
@Dharman A new one for your bot: Hope this helps. If it doesn't, try some stronger coffee.
yeah, I am not going to add this
Hallo from banned guy :)
How are you here?
I have tired already to rewrite my closed questions xD
no votings up, only an estimate(remember about 15)
look at this also (yesterday we made it with desertnaut)
14:55
curious. stackoverflow.com/posts/69383068/timeline a question goes into reopen queue after it is deleted by community?
@SurajRao There was an off-topic question
@SurajRao i rewrote it
ok.. I was refering to the odd sequence of events
@SurajRao Bot deleted it
@SurajRao I was banned because of bad questions, rewrite already for one week)))
@SurajRao everyday, i think
xD
Yes I think what Suraj means to bring up is that a deleted question is being reviewed for reopen (while still being deleted...)
you really dont have to ping a user every time
15:00
@Tomerikoo because i made a new question ;)
Suraj, ok. Sounds are bothering(
im going to drink, today i have damaged my back on the part-time job (building site). i need a recovery
see ya
Weird audit in FQ. It really needs some editing, so I clicked "Edit" and passed. Huh?
a wonderful waste of time
@AdrianMole but where's the edited version?
@Dharman I didn't actually get to edit it. So I thought I'd hold off for a bit, so that the Vigilantes SOCVR Regulars can see it in its original glory.
I don't get it. I understand why it would be an audit, but the post is still not fixed.
15:12
I'm about to edit it ...
@Braiam Only 2 "n"s in functional.
@AdrianMole That's a terrible audit. The only reason why it got popular is due the title, but as question it wasn't properly presented.
@AdrianMole Is that a normal-looking timeline for a seemingly typical (though decently-scored) question? It's been used as an audit like... A lot. 13 times in 12 days.
@Spevacus That look typical. When a post is selected, it tends to get used a lot for a few days.
Gotcha.
@AdrianMole Yeah, corrected the o and other typos.
15:16
Never quite sure about capitalization of terms like Django, though.
That's a lot of Looks Ok. Nobody tried to fix it?
"Python" seems widely accepted as "python" but I would always treat it as a proper noun.
@AdrianMole The trademark is "python" lowercase though IIRC
@HenryEcker What surprised me was that "Edit" was considered a pass. There have been numerous complaints, in the past, that editing a known-good would fail such audits.
maybe from meta.stackexchange.com/questions/193830/… but here it is editing a deleted one...
15:19
I'm trying to figure out how to trim that traceback, but it seems that drf just like abstraction.
@SurajRao So, "Edit" passes known good and known bad audits. Seems like a way to robo-pass audits.
BTW, that's something that should be catch by testing.
@AdrianMole Hopefully the system could be set up to detect a user trying to edit every review.
It probably isn't, but it could be...
Meh. Robo-reviewers would hardly be editing posts.
I mean if they selected edit, checked if it was an audit, then went back and hit Looks OK or something.
15:23
Seems though you could press edit on every review which would automatically pass a review, then back out if you don't get the acknowledgement.
That would likely end up taking longer than a genuine review.
Some people just upvote to pass a review
I think that would fail a known-bad audit.
But, upvoting a real review is no worse than "Looks OK", is not?
It is not (it is not no worse). Users gain rep for posting very low quality content. It also obscures the non-reviewing, because "Looks ok" shows in the timeline, while upvoting merely registers as reviewed.
^ I hope it's clear what I want to say. The negations kind of confuse me a bit at the moment.
No, it's not unclear.
I would always click "Looks OK" as well as upvoting, if that were appropriate.
15:39
Then don't forget to open the post in a new window and start a bounty
But downvoting also shows up as "Reviewed" ... and (we've had this discussion numerous times) some low-quality questions are worthy of downvotes but don't fit a valid close reason.
aren't all low quality questions worthy of downvotes
I'll need to try that: Does starting a bounty activate the "Other action" button? (Clicking the "follow" button doesn't - I already tried that.)
@KevinB Yes, of course, but not all are properly suited for close votes.
It's the age-old, "Lack of effort is not a close reason" debate.
imo certain close reasons should come with an auto-downvote
Then fewer people might vote to close, or vote to close and upvote
15:44
i'd rather people who aren't going to use the tools correctly not vote anyway
That's like 75% of said users?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is this NAA? Looks like a long-winded comment to me, but I'm not 100% sure. stackoverflow.com/questions/29085197/…
Long-winded - yes. NAA - no.
I wouldn't flag it. Looks like an attempt.
15:49
Ok. Thanks.
@Calculuswhiz Not NAA. Lots of fluff, though.
Just removed some of that fluff
@TylerH RE: your comment on the A. I think the author just wants to read the file as text then eval() it as a way of "deserialising".
What do you mean by user targeting?
@Vega They do all seem very similar.
@TylerH I think Vega is concerned about not violating Rules #19 and #20.
Behavior will be considered user targeting at the discretion of the ROs.
But when it's Smokey?
16:20
I don't think her question was related to Smokey, directly.
... just asking a question about a user who's post was found by Smokey.
At least, that's how I understood her post.
@AdrianMole Yes, thank you for answering to me and for me :)
Can Smokey be kicked by a Room Owner? xD
@Vega I guess I misunderstood. You were worried your question could be considered user targeting?
Yes. I might mixed the order of sentences
Can a moderator who only moderates those who are not moderated moderate oneself?
16:24
@E_net4thecandidatesupporter Yes and no. First they are unmoderated, so they can moderate themself. But once they do this, they are no longer unmoderated and can't moderate themself. But then...
Should I keep this as duplicate? stackoverflow.com/q/69649487/1839439 Do you think it might be a useful signpost?
@E_net4thecandidatesupporter Is the moderator also a barber?
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Smokey is run from a different group with different parameters so the same rules regarding user targeting do not apply to it
@Dharman I think the world would be fine if that question was deleted.
You'd have my delete vote in 2 days or 4 downvotes, whichever comes sooner.
@IanCampbell ok I set a reminder for 2 days
16:33
@VLAZ In SO, they might indeed be a yak shaver sometimes.
@Calculuswhiz I flagged that as NAA. Does it really have enough to be considered an answer?
@VLAZ The Barber of SOCVR. He's pretty farsighted tho
@VLAZ I got that reference.
17:10
@tripleee I don't see why we would want to migrate that to SuperUsers.SE. It's needs way more clarification. CC @Vega
indeed, I am proposing to close it as general computing
Closing for that reason doesn't lead to migration
That's why I chose the general computing reason along with (apparently) tripleee, but Vega chose to migrate.
@IanCampbell So bad of me
@Vega OK, just making sure I wasn't missing something.
17:28
@Dharman Minus the links, I see the answer as, "Your web.config is incorrectly configured." That seems like an attempt at an answer to me. Were you thinking that the "we suspect" bit makes it too much of a blind guess?
No, I was thinking that I still have no idea what is wrong with web.config
It looks like a comment, but not a solution
The question asks "Anybody can shed a light where did I do wrongly?" and it seems to attempt to answer the "where" part. Also without seeing the file it may be impossible to say where exactly the mistake is.
17:43
@Calculuswhiz well .... web.config has a lot of options to screw-up, on multiple levels even. Saying: "did you try to reboot'" is as helpful.
@Dharman well I'd say that's an answer just a really poor one
it at least tells OP to look at the contents of the web.config file and figure out if it's a SQL connection string or something else that's wrong
personally I outsource all my web.config work to rene through a number of shell companies
BlurryFlower is not a free coding service.
Reeeally wish they'd fix the bookmarks tab... i.sstatic.net/IJPzf.png
Should I NAA-flag most of the "Try Rebooting" answers then?
My country did a national earthquake simulation. Results: 7 injured.
17:50
@Calculuswhiz The easy answer is to simply collect 16670 more reputation and vote to delete.
@Calculuswhiz Bad answers are basically an indication of bad questions.
@IanCampbell I'm... almost there
@Braiam How does that work
do they pick a few buildings and shake them with soundwaves?
Hmmm... I wonder if you're given any really good answers that deserve a bounty.
@IanCampbell But that's too much work...
@TylerH We pick an hour and evacuate the building at the designated time with the alarm.
Basically, we don't have the infrastructure to do an expedited and safe evacuation at a moments notice of most buildings.
17:54
That 7 injured probably doesn't even include the dozens of COVID cases that will inevitably be contracted due to close contact re-entering the building, etc.
Considering that most of our infrastructure is over-utilized.
Oh, that kind of simulation. I thought you meant computer simulation.
@IanCampbell Me? No. Well unless you count the one that is the 37th most rep from bounties on SO. Or the other one with 500 bounty on it
but otherwise, no, nope, never
Is that the 800 one?
If I'm not mistaken, about 25% of my reputation on SO comes from bounties
17:57
@Braiam Ya'll don't have fire drills?
@Undo Yes, we have fire powered drills
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Does that mean a fire powers a steam engine that turns a drill?
The drill is made of fire?
@IanCampbell yes
What actually worries me is that if it was an actual emergency, the number of deaths due the evacuation process itself would be staggering
18:06
@Braiam Sort of like the people that almost died of hypothermia after jumping into the river in the middle of winter after the US Airways 1549 Crash?
@IanCampbell Well, sorta, the key difference is that it isn't "almost died" but just "died"
Haha, fair enough.
@IanCampbell Although if people keep posting bad answers to questions I follow, I may never get there...
@TylerH I can definitely relate to that.
I got what I assume were some revenge downvotes recently. I can only infer that they were because I wrote a positive comment under Dharman's nomination post.
@IanCampbell lol
I'm not winning this election, am I?
18:21
I think there's a chance.
and your questions were so pristine
not like mine with -15
I present a very narrow target for free revenge.
@IanCampbell Maybe that's how Dharman's following express agreement?
If you believe that post on Meta, the unwashed masses vote by candidate score alone, so you've got a 50/50 shot?
@IanCampbell More like 39/40 shot
18:25
@IanCampbell Candidate score is a powerful bias. The other bias is previous runs for mod
@Machavity Positive or negative bias on previous runs?
If you handicap it that way, it means the top 3 will be Stephen Rauch, Zoe and Dharman (not necessarily in that order)
@Dharman why do you think not?
I consider you the top candidate, personally.
@IanCampbell Positive. Jean, Baum, myself, Makyen... I could go on. We all ran more than once
@TylerH Same here
18:27
@Machavity oh really? I thought you four all won on your first tries
Because of my following. Users hate me as shown by the revenge votes
Eh, overall users love you apparently
your score is positive 20,000, not negative 20,000 :-P
I think you've got to count the revenge vote casters as a lost cause.
I don't understand how I am already out of close votes again
24,000*
@Dharman Well it's the end of the day. I'm surprised you lasted that long
18:28
@TylerH Dharman only woke up 15 minutes ago.
Do you not set notifications to cast votes at 0:00:01 UTC?
@TylerH I did win my first time. Best candidate questionnaire :P
I mean, who doesn't love a good poem?
Maybe we just need a good multivariate logistic regression? We can call the election now.
@Machavity Heh, well an asterisk on that since now it's part of the nomination
@Dharman I consider you one of the top candidates (top 2 in my ballot). Given that I was someone who tried to encourage you a bit to run, I feel a bit obligated to encourage you here - The energy you put into keeping the site clean is admirable and should be plainly visible to anyone who cares to look. You're seemingly easy to approach, given how easy it is to chat with you here, for example. I do hope you win, because I feel like SO needs someone as passionate as you.
18:38
thanks all
Save the anxiety for the final 60 minute countdown ;)
Dharman is squarely within my top 6 in this election.
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I'm just sad that we won't see all those del-pls requests every day from him anymore if he is elected...
he'll forget all about us here...
I can't remember the last time I closed this tab
@Dharman When was your last power outage?
18:47
updates and outages don't count cause I always just do Ctrl+Shift+T to open the previous session.
Does an edit on a closed question always push to reopen queue?
@HenryEcker No. Only if you check the box
@HenryEcker No, only if you tick the box in the edit screen.
Okay. I was jw because I reviewed this question earlier stackoverflow.com/posts/69640504/revisions and now it's back stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/30131589
Maybe a comment is in order to be more clear on what's missing.
It was added to review twice.
both revision 3 and 4 are marked as valid for reopen
18:57
@HenryEcker You can also look at the post timeline and look for the "Added to Review" tag.
Thank you. I was just making sure the user was involved in pushing these to reopen. *That this person is still trying to get the question answered.
Hey, they might actually clarify the question if you leave a comment.
20:00
@Dharman FWIW this is also seeking recommendations for a free geolocation API.
yes, but I don't usually spend time reading non-English posts
21:57
@TylerH I'm very torn about that post. I didn't red flag it.
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