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10:00 PM
@TylerH "asking to solve an entire assignment rather than a specific, focused problem" would be my phrasing
 
(or, of course, fix it)
 
@KevinB That's also one of my pet peeves.
 
Downvotes work just as well as close votes many times. It just takes 20 days longer. Avoid leaving that second comment though...
 
Another category of problematic questions is ones that... in a vacuum are fine questions, but here on SO the question has been broken apart by other users and asked as a dozen different questions
like.. I have data in this format, how do i make it that format
(aka the entirety of the regexp tag)
and most of the SQL tag
 
@KevinB Yes, this is a major problem in
 
10:02 PM
There is a 'school of thought' (or 'caucus') on SO that - IMHO - is overly eager to cast close votes, when a comment, downvote (or even an edit) would be a better option. But that's asking a lot of the big guns.
 
there's also a massive... avoidance of using downvotes
and upvotes
for that matter
 
@KevinB not useful to whom? Those "easy" questions can be very useful to people but if they are downvotes by people thinking "this isn't useful to me because I already know the answer", that's not awesome, either.
 
for questions, definitely
not useful is weird for questions
 
I feel like editing an other user's closed question into a question that gets reopened is one of the hardest feats on SO. I'm surprised more people don't enjoy the challenge.
@Catija That was an amazingly fast store run.
 
@KevinB agreed. For answers it does make sense.
@IanCampbell I'm on my phone. Just had to respond to that one.
 
10:05 PM
it's just people want to reach for a button
 
@IanCampbell I think the hardest part would be finding closed questions that are salvageable and could be transformed into a useful question in the future.
 
@RyanM Fair, I usually find them in the reopen queue.
 
Also, before the recent changes to the reopen queue, I'd have had relatively little faith it'd get reviewed before being roomba'd.
The reopen queue is probably a decent place to find them.
 
And on that note, I'm going on an actual run. I'm not coordinated enough to read chat and run at the same time.
 
@Catija Sorry, i think i just reached for the downvote popup reason, i didn't actually mean not useful as being great reason to downvote questions😉 maybe that needs some clarifying
i guess in some cases it's just hard to describe what exactly is wrong with a post. not useful is... super broad, and covers a lot of the potential reasons in a way that isn't useful
like, if i come across a post with a title that's just awful, a question that's hard to follow but isn't necessarily unclear, a post that clearly needs some help, there's no button for that.
you could downvote it, or close vote as unclear (or both), but none of those things promote it being fixed
there's always commenting, of course
doesn't seem to work all that often
 
10:21 PM
Sometimes "edit" works. I've certainly had cases where simply cleaning up the post caused people to retract CVs, or to reopen a closed question.
 
edit is the ideal solution, but i'm not very comfortable editing.
an edit is what is needed
the problem i run into with editing is, i already know the answer, and the best terms to use to find the answer. I don't know the terms someone who doesn't know the answer would use
especially when the question is "How do i x" and the problem "this error occured" that is completely unrelated to "how do i x"
 
Yeah, it can be tricky at times. Sometimes it's fairly obvious what edit to make. At other times, not so much.
 
Hello. Can i ask: a deleting of the question by community bot and by ourselves has a same impact to the reputation?
 
yes
only moderators can technicaly do tricks to affect your reputation in other ways
 
I'm trying to return my ability to make questions and this is interesting to me.
Bad bot(((
 
10:36 PM
Why do you want to ask questions?
Try answering instead. It's easier and better
 
Because i have some questions
 
yeah, but are they good?
 
It is a question discrimination ))
I don't know, but one is really interesting
 
If community bot deleted some of your questions then it means that you haven't asked good useful questions in the past. Are you sure you can do better now?
I know from experience that asking questions is really difficult
 
Sure, now i have read the FAQ )
 
10:40 PM
ok, sounds good
 
If i knew about this system before 😟
 
@manro Sorry for going through your posts, but I wanted to see what you were talking about and I saw some things that you can improve
 
Moderators, are you here?) Can you say, how many reputation i need to achieve for killing the ban hammer? ☺️
 
@manro Afraid not. The algorithm is a secret, not even the moderators know what it is.
 
It’s a moving scale, the best way to get out of it is to fix what got you there
 
10:44 PM
@Dharman say-say pls
 
I don't know if moderators have this knowledge. The system suspended you based on your previous contributions. The only way is to go through them, edit to improve them and make sure to learn from mistakes. You get a chance to ask a new question every 6 months as a chance at redemption.
 
Alternatively you can gain enough rep through other means (like answering)
 
@KevinB That's won't remove question ban, would it?
 
@RyanM maybe administration knows
 
@Dharman Allegedly, it has some small effect.
 
10:47 PM
Bad(
 
@manro yeah, probably the CEO knows, too, but what's your point?
as already advised, you need to improve - there are no shortcuts
 
I feel bad, i have restrictions. Nobody has except me 😁
Don't see same persons
 
Many people have a question ban
 
I try to achieve more reputation
Maybe, 500 rep saves me
Thx, dharman 💪
All will be counted 🙏
 
@Dharman I don’t have an official source, but I don’t appear to be question banned and I have 9 heavily downvoted questions, several deleted
 
11:06 PM
@KevinB You could be the first user to ask on Meta why you're not question-banned ;-)
2
 
I love that
But for my own comfort I’d have to actually ask a question on SO to prove I’m not question banned
 
🚽
 
@KevinB -35 nice
 
user4717133
Where can I ask for help from a moderator?
 
Flag a post
 
user4717133
11:15 PM
@Dharman I already did but I don't need that kind of help.
 
user4717133
@Dharman or help me with your opinion, can you?
 
What kind of help do you need? How to ask for help depends on the type of help required.
 
user4717133
@RyanM I want to understand a situation that has happened to me on the site and I can't digest XD but I think it must be on another channel, not this one.
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent This room is usually happy to help explain moderation-related situations. Note, though, that you generally can't ask us to take any action on posts you're involved with.
 
user4717133
@RyanM ok
 
11:21 PM
@manro I've looked at some of your questions (Q) some days ago (now deleted) and those Q appeared way to broad (need more focus) or unclear to me. Most of those broad questions already have answers, so if you improve your search engine skills, you 'll find the answers, without needing to write a new Q on SO. Continue writing good answers, which is also a great way to improve your skills and to contribute to the platform. Good luck.
 
user4717133
The situation is the following: I have created a post, which was basically closed after a short time as a duplicate, since a better explanation of the context / scenario was needed, my post has a much more complex context unlike other answers that I found that appear similar, and previously exist on the site.
 
user4717133
even the ones I found can solve my situation, but I consider that it is not the best way for my scenario; since what they suggest is clearly what you indicate that you wanted to avoid. the situation is that I found another method to solve it; and request the re-opening to be able to offer the alternative; which was so frowned upon that I received a total of 11 negative votes in a matter of minutes.
 
user4717133
I assume that these people who have voted down have not taken the time to evaluate the changes that I have made.
 
user4717133
I think it is not fair, a question can have more than one solution; maybe depending on the scenario one solution is more valid than another.
 
-11 in minutes is...unusual. It's hard to give advice without seeing the post, but is there a reason you couldn't offer your alternative solution on the post it was closed as a duplicate of?
 
user4717133
11:31 PM
@RyanM i cant add an answer to closed post...
 
user4717133
@RyanM I had to add the answer inside the question, with an edit, but all I wanted was to add it as an answer.
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent As in, it was closed as a duplicate of a post that is also closed? (this is possible)
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent Ah, yeah, don't do that. Answers don't go in questions; any edits doing so will be reverted when noticed.
 
user4717133
@RyanM I explain again: my original post was closed; shortly after I published it several days ago; I recently found a solution that makes it viable for my scenario ...
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent Can you post your solution on the question that it was closed as a duplicate of?
 
user4717133
@RyanM nope
 
user4717133
11:36 PM
@RyanM there is nowhere to publish my answer ... rather my alternative ...
 
Generally for your edit, you should try to make clear why your post is not a duplicate, rather than editing in the answer. You can also make multiple attempts to submit for reopening.
 
user4717133
i have get a comment This solution promotes the bad practice of using select *, so no, I do not consider this a good solution in any way. No matter how many columns you have in your query
 
Beyond that, I'm afraid it's hard for me to give much further advice without seeing the post.
 
user4717133
but my post is not about good practices...
 
user4717133
@RyanM If I pass you the post here, they will delete it, right?
 
user4717133
11:39 PM
well, it has to do with a stack overflow post in English, not a code review post.
 
I am fairly certain that your proposed answer would be a good addition to the dupe target
After having looked at both
 
user4717133
@KevinB why should i use beech? if that question doesn't have the complexity of mine?
 
user4717133
@KevinB It is not the same to use 10 aliases in a query than more than 100 ... and have to type them by hand; and I cannot create my own queries, I must implement the queries that are sent to me.
 
user4717133
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent please edit this message to contain some text other than just the post link
 
11:47 PM
@KevinB It may be controversial, but I use Typo closing when an OP asked how to fix their code (reference my earlier comment... #1 - "a plea for help") and the solution is already demonstrated in their own snippet in the question. It's a "facepalm question". They already know how to solve the problem, they just failed to implement the wisdom that they already have. This type of justification does not apply for #2 questions (a canonical).
can't add link to referenced comment (too long) chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/53231570#53231570
 
Right
I don’t 100% disagree with that usage, i just wish the close reason was more clear about it
 
user4717133
@RyanM Even the same post has better reception in code review, but I couldn't do it when I originally asked the question. codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/268663/…
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent I don’t necessarily agree with your question being closed, however, I feel the other question will result in your previously not presented there solution helping more people.
 
user4717133
@RyanM yes 11 min: check this on meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/412249/…
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent Please avoid posting noise such as: "Thank you very much san I will implement everything you mentioned you are the best XD" This type of comment has absolutely no value to future researchers -- and for that reason it will be flagged and deleted. You get upvotes and green ticks -- that is enough.
 
user4717133
11:53 PM
I doubt they have read any of my changes
 
user4717133
@mickmackusa ok
 
Your question can’t be reopened while it contains your answer
 
user4717133
@KevinB request it before editing that ...
 
Right
Doesn’t change that it can’t be fixed now without more work
 
user4717133
@KevinB how can it be done?
 
11:56 PM
Let me put it this way… if your post was reopened, and you posted your answer, it would still be better long-term to have your answer merged into the duplicate.
Your answer will help more future devs there, as the solution to your problem is also a solution to theirs
You can bypass that whole process by just posting your answer there
 
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