a pre-meta poll: "Is it reasonable to ask for the ability to cast a delete vote on a fresh question regardless of the vote tally if I can find 5 duplicates for it?" I find myself able to often 5xDupe Hammer questions every day -- and these posts are STILL collecting answers before they are closed! e.g. stackoverflow.com/q/68765794/2943403
...if so and by extension, should I be able to request delete votes on a 5xDupe question in this room?
I cannot be online 24-7. I am already over-extending myself and burning out. I am outnumbered by people who do not close these easy dupes. I need more tools features. I think I am going to revisit my pitch for meta.stackoverflow.com/q/397526/2943403
@KernelPanic Please understand that SO is not a Help Desk. We are actually trying to build a repository of knowledge. If your question is not minimal, complete, and verifiable, then we actually want to discard it and move our attention to other questions that are fit for the ultimate goal.
We never want to click a link that sends us to a pastebin with 15000 repetitions of the same string.
...and here is an example of 5xDupe that now has 2 Reopen votes -- despite my 5th dupe target having an accepted answer with the exact same technique as the accepted answer in the new page. stackoverflow.com/q/68731683/2943403
@KernelPanic The issue is basically a typo: your print statements String arrayString = Arrays.toString(rgbVal); System.out.println(arrayString); are in the outer loop, but not the inner loop. So you're only printing the last pixel of each line to the console.
It's worth noting that had you created a minimal reproducible example that could fit in a Stack Overflow post, you probably would have noticed the problem, because the data would be small enough for you to see the pattern of what was happening.
This is why that rule exists. Reading through huge offsite logs to debug what ends up being a misplaced print statement only helps one person who probably could have debugged it themselves. The goal of a Q&A site is to help the next n people who have the same problem. Unfortunately, misplaced print statements aren't a problem well-suited to that model, because the symptoms will be different in almost every case.
FAQ #15: "For questions and answers: You are "involved" in the question and all answers to the question if you are the author of the question or the author of any non-deleted, non-community-wiki answer on the question."
@E_net4 acceptable to write it down or to like it? ;)
in my flags, what's the difference beteeen "waiting for review" and "pending"? I guess the latter means somebody reviewed it but no action has been taken, whilst the former means nobody has looked at it yet?
@mickmackusa No. The restriction exists for a reason. Don't rush deletion. Set a reminder, or simply just close and move on. Maybe someone else will see it two days later and decide to delete. If not, then you can leave it and focus on things that can easily be deleted. The only questions that need to be deleted by 20k+ are the ones that actively harm the community and are beyond editing to make on-topic. Everything else can wait or be picked up by roomba.
@Dharman it is my opinion that answering basic, multi-duplicates is an abuse of the system because it generates unnecessary content bloat and actively prevents the roomba from doing its job. Quickly deleting these pages benefits the site because...
@mickmackusa I don't think you will find much support for those features in particular. You can already cast delete votes (and request del-pls here) on such questions regardless of the score after only 48 hours of closure.
If rep gained from answer scores were locked in after 48 hours, then sure I would agree we would need some stronger countermeasures, but rep from answer scores is not locked in until several months.
Re 3. They will lose the reputation anyway. 1 hour, 2 days or 30 days doesn't matter. They won't keep the reputation and they will see a notification about question removed
I do not set reminders. I have tens of tabs open on the browser of my phone. It is a chore to revisit after 2 days, when the eventuality is exactly the same.
I am all for deletion, but I see so much stuff laying around for years that really should be deleted, I don't think that discussion expedited deletion of duplicates is constructive.
Things like this ^ question should have been removed quickly. Letting people keep reputation for that would be terrible
Askers might not understand why their on-topic question got immediately removed
they might have also asked for something which got misunderstood
Sometimes I decide to delete question that is an obvious duplicate and has an answer accepted. I know that the question definitely is a duplicate and OP saw the answer.
Different actions waste different resources and a 20k+ user may then no longer be able to, let's say, vote to delete a problematic but unflaggable answer, because they used their votes on a post a 10k+ user could have voted to delete also a few days later, or even worse, Roomba would have deleted 10 days later.
If you are rationing your del votes, sure, that's fine. I never seem to hit my daily max, so I spend them carefree. I accept that roomba qualifying pages don't need to del-pls'ed.
If an asker's question was misunderstood, -3 downvoted, closed, then deleted; then they can learn from that mistake, read How to Ask, and post a new question.
@mickmackusa If you would like to focus on user behavior and have more expanded voting capabilities I would recommend running for moderator in the next SO election :-) The pains you've expressed seem like personal ones (e.g. "I'm stretched too thin already", "I can't keep track of questions that long", etc.) rather than system/design ones.
@mickmackusa Whether you think you would be elected or not is a matter of opinion. Some users who I would bet $10,000 would never be elected have been elected moderator, so I would strongly suggest you hedge those bets against yourself ;-)
Anyway, re: being stretched thin, removing blocks on fast deletion isn't a solution there. The reason deletion has the restrictions it does is to allow for more community attention/involvement, not less. If a question has multiple upvotes, that's a signal that the community thinks it is useful, and maybe not a duplicate. It's much harder to get stuff reopened/undeleted than closed/deleted.
@mickmackusa Well, sounds like you need to delete some of your snarky comments, then :-P
The bottom line is we are not likely to loosen our restrictions on del-pls, unless the site rules around deletion change in that regard. And whether they can be changed in that regard is a question to pose to Meta, not to us. On a personal level, maybe consider shrugging off some of the burden you feel for being responsible for deleting PHP duplicates. I promise you there are plenty of other users who like to delete PHP questions, too.
I don't even know which page I am arguing for deletion of anymore. I assume that it is a multi-duplicate that will not roomba. 2 days or not, we can delete it and waiting won't change the outcome one iota.
@mickmackusa this is part of the issue; the way you're framing "the other side" as being wrong rather than just having a different, equally valid opinion. Regarding "multi-hammering", adding more duplicate targets doesn't necessarily make your argument that it's a duplicate stronger (e.g. "so that no one can argue with me that it's not a duplicate"). It just means you think there are more duplicate targets... but others might disagree on all of them just as easily as they disagree on one of them.
Again, it can be frustrating, but that's part of a democratic two-way system... there's usually going to be people who disagree with you who have a vote, too.
The only way to circumvent that, right or wrong, is to elevate your privileges in the system (e.g. become a moderator) or fundamentally change the system (have SO redesign its system to make it significantly harder to reopen closed questions, etc.)
@TylerH Re: allowing for more community attention/involvement, that is the problem, actually. The more idiots have a say in curation process, the harder it is to curate. The privilege to cast delete/undelete/close/reopen votes should be awarded based on a different metric from reputation points; not everyone should be involved content curation.
Yes, it's both been a system enforcement and an SOCVR rule that you cannot re-vote or re-request action on a post you've acted on. We did recently clarify the rule to remove some confusion, though.
The end goal is to avoid close/reopen or del/undel wars, which don't achieve anything other than getting factions of users pissed off at each other and making more work for moderators
my anecdotal experience is that it results in closure/deletion as often, if not more often, than reopening/undeletion
at worst such questions get historically locked, which at least serves to prevent more votes and answers (and has a message that it's not an example of good content for the site, for the 3 people who read such messages)
@mickmackusa It starts with I realize this doesn't answer your question, and then goes on to not answer the question at all. IMO, that's the definition of NAA.
@TylerH I love the note in the parenthesis, since it recognizes how unsuccessful is the lock in doing anything productive for the site.
@KenWhite That should be at most a comment, in the lines of "your problem with X exists because you shouldn't be using X at all"
@JeanneDark I would say that multiple dupe targets is either a symptom of a too broad question (you need to read several questions to be able to solve your issue) or that the corpus of questions aren't properly curated and content is scattered in multiple questions
@Braiam I agree it would be fine as a comment to the original question, which is what I said in the comment I left on the non-answer when voting to delete. That's one of the purposes for which comments were created in the first place - to provide a space for suggestions or clarification requests without misusing the answer space.
@Braiam the point of a lock is to prevent further interactions from regular users. It is the most effective method of achieving that, more so than deletion (which can be undone by 3+ regular users)
@TylerH Yeah, if that's your objective. My objective is to get garbage out of the system and the lock alone prevents that. We can archive both goals if we delete and lock the post too, if you want to find a compromise between both objectives.
Ok. But why? There's lots of java users that know nothing of spring-boot. But no spring-boot experts that doesn't know about java. I mean that's my argument for not doing it. I'm looking for one to do it ;)
@Scratte My reason in general is that some library tags go on questions where the issue is the language, not the library. Since Spring Boot is unavoidably Java, I think putting the tag on, and letting Java subscribers decide (whether they can help) is correct
OK. Fair enough.. how about a suggested editor (< 2K) that is doing this a lot?
To be honest, I generally Skip those review tasks, since I'm not quite agreeing with the additional tag and.. they can only have 5 pending edit. I'm evil that way >;)
i'm not familiar with spring-boot, but in the react + javascript case, there's certainly questions that are so specific to react that the general javascript tag isn't necessary
but... i'd prefer they have it anyway for dupe closure reasons
I have no idea how to answer a spring-boot Question, so for me, it's just annoying when the java tag is added. But I can live with a little annoyance on my part.
Looking at their last 12 suggested edits, that's all they do. Add the tag.
Has the 'wonky' alignment of buttons like "Advanced Flagging" been around for long? I only just noticed it today. (Another UI update?) Screenshot: i.sstatic.net/YxkZ5.png
@AdrianMole Had to fix it in one of my userscripts. They've changed the class of the class that the items under the questions have from grid--cell to flex--item
Hi ppl. I asked a question on stackoverflow and it immediately was downvoted. It happened many times with questions I asked and nobody leaves a comment on why the question is downvoted. Can someone take a look at the question and say what's wrong with it?
oh, ok. I just got notification. Closed. This question needs to be more focused. It is not currently accepting answers.
It's related to programming. Similar question have been asked on stackoverflow, @Dharman I'l ask the same question on softwareengineering, maybe it's more suited there
Yeah, architecture questions don't tend to be well-received on SO these days, in part because there's now a better place for them on Software Engineering.
Sadly, we can't just migrate them with close votes any more because a lot of them (not yours) are just kind of ...bad, and it lead to a lot of low-quality questions getting dumped there.
@blablaalb I doubt if in its present form the question is answerable, anywhere. Also, I think a topic like this should be well covered in Clean Architecture articles. I think the main idea is that messages are mediated. Core won't ever say: send an email but it will send some sort of event that a message should be relayed. The subscriber to the event knows how.
Understood, but if for example it needs to read a file from the file system does it fires an event and just waits for the Infrastructure layer read the file pass it to the Core? The event in theory should be fired before and after completion of some action. @GertArnold
@blablaalb I don't think this room is the place to discuss this any further, but you see what happens: even in a short dialog like this the question fans out. That's why Stack Overflow questions should be pretty narrow an not opinion-based. Again, please read the help center.
@KevinM.Mansour it seems to ask about the difference in behavior of malloc on different kernels/OS. Given the answer I expect it to be a bug in their code as valgrind is a tool to detect malloc/free mismatches and similar stuff IIRC.
@Machavity I had, though it totally slipped my mind at the time. Definitely a better fit, good call (though it would be okay on Law, it's better on OpenSource).