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1:04 AM
@eyllanesc I understand your concern. It could reasonably be seen that there is an interest in wanting to reopen in order to answer, perhaps even a conflict. However, where the the line has been drawn for the room is if the person already has an answer, not that they may want to post an answer. Ultimately, their intent or desire to post an answer isn't really something which we can have as a determiner, because it's not a fact which we can know, except from disclosure by the requestor.
I'd also note that we have allowed many such requests where the requestor has stated a desire to answer.
@Basj Based primarily on the number of views, I agree that it should not have been deleted and, along with enough other people such that I wouldn't have had to be a moderator in order to cast the last undelete-vote, have undeleted it.
However, I disagree with the edits which attempt to make it on-topic. With the question as it was originally/when answered and the answers which it received, I don't see a path which makes it on-topic which doesn't involve shoehorning in a different question and/or deleting all the answers and starting over. All such options are, effectively, the same as just asking a new, on-topic question.
While I would normally want to try to save it and make it on-topic, there just isn't anything there to work with, other than the general topic of "lightbox".
It does sound like the code you wanted to provide as an answer would be beneficial to have on SO. However, just not on that question. The option of creating your own self-answered question is potentially a good one. OTOH, I suspect there's probably at least one other existing question which would be an appropriate place for the code you wanted to add, although I haven't actually looked for other questions.
 
@Makyen My point was precisely that: He made it known, if he hadn't done it then there would have been no problems. Besides, my point was in the sense that to avoid these problems it is better to create a new post, why was it necessary to reopen that post?
@Makyen cont. Those discussions are on the edge so it is better to get away from that edge by taking simpler measures like the one I proposed. Note: The rules are interpreted since it depends on the reader or a collegiate but in this room there is only the first, IMO the spirit of this rule is to avoid the conflict of interest that in this case was explicitly indicated.
 
@eyllanesc I didn't reopen the question. The question is not open. I, as did three other people, voted to undelete the question.
 
@Makyen Hmm, you don't seem to let me understand, sorry for that. What I wanted to point out is that was it necessary that this question could be reopened? I think it is easier for the user to create a new post with his self-answer
 
1:20 AM
@eyllanesc And, where did I say it should be reopened? I believe that I quite clearly said, both above and in comments on the question, that I don't feel it should be reopened, and that I don't see a path for it to be edited to be on-topic (and reopened). It feels like you're either not understanding or arguing just to argue.
 
@Makyen mmm, I didn't say that you wanted to reopen (sorry but English is not my native language). What I said is that the user wanted to reopen a post and in my opinion it is better to create a new post.
 
@eyllanesc And, that's at least part of what I said above. You repeating it again without any response from the other person wasn't necessary. Repeating it, yet again, immediately after I posted was probably counterproductive, in that it can make the other person feel like they are being ganged up on.
 
@Makyen mmm, my point of view is that chats are the worst places to feel attacked, at least one must be aware of it, since these cold letters do not give the intentionality that one desires. I learned that from a sentence from SO that clearly indicated that we do not give emotions to the comments. I'm sorry if someone is upset with my statements but I try to make them as less emotional as possible.
 
@eyllanesc Being emotionless is the problem tho :D
 
1:36 AM
@Braiam Emoticons do not replace emotions either, they are just a very basic simplification of them, so I follow that basic SO so I avoid displeasure. :-( :-D
 
1:54 AM
would you call it a typo if the OP simply positioned the loop in the wrong place to generate the correct form structure? There isn't much to teach since they already knew how to generate form elements and how to use a loop. What do you reckon? stackoverflow.com/q/66862859/2943403 It is just a simple oversight, right?
 
@mickmackusa Will future readers find the solution useful?
 
2:07 AM
@Braiam I think not, honestly, but this is why I am asking others for their opinions -- in case I am just being too grumpy. I assume the OP will smack themselves in the forehead once they are aware of their mistake -- such consequences often align with Off-topic:Typo pages.
 
2:19 AM
@eyllanesc This feels like you're jumping from the argument about the individual post back to the general issue. Hmmm... perhaps I misunderstood and your first comment was intended to be about the general issue, while referencing the specific situation, rather that just about the specific situation.
OK, let me see if I can make the current position more clear: SOCVR has had a lot of discussion (and I mean before today) as to where to draw the line wrt. being involved in a post if you have an answer on or want to answer the post wrt. cv-pls and reopen-pls.
If you want background on the discussions, then, please read the August 2018 Room Meeting summary on socvr.org, topic #2 from that meeting, all of the in-SOCVR discussions which are linked from the summary, and the GitHub issue. There's quite a bit. It's also come up as a discussion from time to time since then.
I understand that you still have concerns about where the line is currently drawn. There really isn't a place to draw the line where everyone will be happy. As it is now, we're not going to change to what you're wanting: not permitting reopen-pls when the person wants to answer.
I'm not saying categorically that we will never change to that, but there will need to be quite a good reason to change, and/or strong support from multiple people and little opposition (none of which do I feel is the case at this time). If you feel strongly about this issue, you are welcome to add it to the list issues for a future room meeting.
 
2:51 AM
I don't see why it should be downvoted so much. It appears that the reason is low effort, as it's not low on details.
 
@AnnZen In general, you should include a reason for why you think the question should be undeleted. As for this question, it would be preferable if it also included a sample input and desired output.
 
@eyllanesc it's not closed.
 
@AnnZen low effort is a perfectly good reason to downvote a post.
 
@AnnZen No, what I said is that the same OP deleted it. Why do you want undeleted?
 
@eyllanesc Does the deleter matter?
besides diamond holders
 
2:56 AM
@AnnZen mmm I do not understand you. 1) you do not follow the request rules as to indicate a valid reason, 2) because it is necessary to undeleted a post where clearly the OP does not want to receive answers.
 
@eyllanesc oh, i see.
Okay, will take into account next time.
@Makyen Thank you ^^
 
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np
 
 
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4:11 AM
 
5:11 AM
who is her ex here ;)
 
5:31 AM
^ I'm considering undelete voting because SO needs more posts that express hate. SO is always so lovey-dovey all the time. Not healthy to stifle our emotions, ya know.
 
5:55 AM
this is not NAA?
 
6:08 AM
When do you get "AIM: Failed to load MS feedback data:"?
 
when MS is down
 
@Droid it's a rhetorical question (sometimes called rhetorical answer), they are suggesting to use "limit" in query
 
6:42 AM
What to do with this question: stackoverflow.com/posts/66854561/revisions post the latest revision...?
 
@Yatin looks like "no repro"
 
Ok
 
@tripleee @Yatin I agree, I cast the final vote
 
:)
 
7:08 AM
@cigien Thanks, I was not aware of that.
 
@raccoon a common way to collect rep with some success is to submit edits to posts with good content but poor formatting. You are capped at (I think it was) ten pending edits at any one time, but you should be able to get to your desired rep in a few days if you have any editing skills at all
meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17204/… has some tips but it seems more geared towards those who want to rack up thousands of rep points
take care to edit posts which actually contribute value; new low-quality posts are likely to be closed instead of answered, so you will only be creating noise by submitting edits to them (every edit pushes the question to the front page)
I like to hunt for a common misspelling and then edit the highest-scoring posts which contain it, with an eye towards improving the overall quality, not just the silly typo
(this is not how I built the bulk of my rep, but I have used it to get enough rep for secondary accounts to participate in chat etc)
 
8:00 AM
Did this become acceptable with the edit enumerating some things they tried or is it still NAA?
 
@JeanneDark Looks like it just repeats some stuff proposed in another answer. I would say NAA
 
Thank you
 
8:13 AM
Yeah, still NAA.
 
Is this NAA?
 
mck
This answer was copy-pasted, with citation, from another answer on Server Fault. Is a mod flag needed?
@mck thanks @Tomerikoo for editing
 
@mck I patched it up a little bit. I don't think it's wrong per-se to repeat an answer from another site
 
mck
@Tomerikoo Yes, makes sense, but perhaps a comment is better than an answer
 
8:31 AM
@mck See [How to reference material written by others ](stackoverflow.com/help/referencing).
 
@AmitJoshi not sure, could be an answer too? but pretty unclear
 
It will Roomba in about 30 days (no answers, downvoted, closed as duplicate)
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman that is asked 5 minutes ago, it isn't spam or r/a why on earth does it need immediate deletion?
 
Roomba will pick it up eventually.
 
right, that is what Jeanne said as well.
 
@rene Okay.
That's why asked. :)
 
9:36 AM
Glad three of us had an answer ;)
 
@rene Maybe I just didn't see it because I was stupid. You're being ableist.
/s
 
@VLAZ sure, always happy to confirm your short comings.
 
10:05 AM
 
10:26 AM
Should I get a notification that a post of mine was edited? I don't mean a suggested edit, a full 2k+ rep edit made to it?
Ah, I found an answer to my question. Yes, but only if it's substantial edit
 
10:45 AM
Is this question on topic? It's asking for links but you could argue it's about the official links, so no opinion-based.
 
I think its still asking for external resources...
 
Thanks!
"It seems it doesn't work in C++, which I find odd as everything that works in C should work in C++."
 
But surely C++ is just C with more stuff?! :)
 
More pluses ;)
Sometimes, MSO feels like a reenactment of Groundhog Day.
 
11:05 AM
If that were true we'd all be growing and learning for years while not aging a day, but instead it seems more like some people get years older without accumulating a day of learning. :(
 
That's true :(
 
11:17 AM
@TigerhawkT3 See, this is interesting. Groundhog Day is far from the first work to show a stable repeating loop. It's been somewhat of a staple in fiction. It is distinct in that the main character tries to break out by improving himself. But in other cases, it's just a monotonous repetition and the main character happens to figure it out by accident.
There was one short story that revealed in the end that an entire city was destroyed by some natural disaster. Scientists tried to recreate it and they did but at a very small scale. It was inhabited by real (tiny) people who had the memories of the people from the city. And each night their memories were wiped and they relived the entire day again. This...was in order to test different commercials on them.
Quite bleak.
 
I don't think he was trying to break out of it by improving himself. He was definitely trying to break out by leaving or dying, but none of that worked. When began to improve himself, I think he was just out of ideas and figured he might as well.
 
@TigerhawkT3 More like he got bored out of his mind.
 
OK, "trying to break out" is probably ovestating it. I think Briam is right - just bored.
 
It's incredible what humans do for some sort of novelty.
 
There was some calculation of how much time he spent in the loop and it was something like a thousand years. If not more.
 
11:21 AM
Nah, it was about ~10 years to learn everything he learned.
 
Yeah, there was nothing left to do - like I said, he might as well. :) In the end, he got out by doing what made him happy, without being influenced by how the day would repeat.
I, too, have heard estimates of centuries, given the skills he picked up.
 
Ah, you're right - I double checked - it was thousands of days.
 
If you like those kind of stories with a hint of unreliable narrator, I recommend Mother of Learning.
 
Dark City is also a cool take on it.
 
11:52 AM
What do you people think about this tag: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/google-cloud-billing
I think this is the typical kind of tag that might encourage off-topic (not about programming / Google user support) questions.
 
@MrUpsidown yeah, if anything it needs a wiki / excerpt so it becomes clear what is allowed under that tag.
 
Morning
 
@rene agreed - although I can't think of why/when I would tag a question with google-cloud-billing if it is a programming question...
There is no billing API or such
Having a quick look at the questions in this tag, I'd say that most of them could (should) be closed.
 
Given that the tag excerpt is not read, I don't know how that would help.
And that the excerpt will literally tell users not to ask questions about that.
 
12:09 PM
Yeah... that might well be. IMO the tag should be simply deleted.
 
@Braiam not that it really helped much in the past. There are several tags with "DO NOT USE THIS TAG" as part of the description. I've seen them because they were added to questions.
 
So what would you advise? Shall I request the tag to be deleted on Meta? Shall I also ask for some cleanup of the questions? I am not familiar with the process.
 
"If you have questions, I feel bad for you, son has 99 questions but it should have none"
Proposed title for your meta Q
 
@MrUpsidown Follow your heart. Be aware that there will be much drama about it.
 
More seriously, though - I'm not actually familiar with the subject matter. Is it a programming thing? Like some API that you can use in your application? If so, it could be on-topic. But if it's just "this is Google billing me for their services", I don't think it is.
 
12:21 PM
As I said, there is no Google billing API. So I would expect most of the questions to be off-topic (and that's the case for the 10 or 12 questions I checked).
 
@VLAZ Read the questions, they are mostly "should I pay out the noose for this service?"
 
@Braiam, yeah... Last time I opened a tag-related request on Meta, I got flamed at for no reason that I could understand... (my defunct request here)
 
SO still broken at build time.
 
It got many down votes, and a couple of harsh comments suggesting my request was not important, etc.
 
1:21 PM
I am afraid to see a direct download link on this answer
 
1:31 PM
"Yeah i know @Natty but asking question limit is over so i am not able ask new question."
 
@Droid eyeballing that, it seems the link goes to the same site it says. And it's the official one for Gradle. So, it doesn't really seem dangerous. Whether or not it qualifies as an answer is a different matter.
 
1:53 PM
@Braiam I just saw a cookie prompt on SO again. Is that what you mean by broken?
 
@VLAZ I was not sure that is a official documentation, anyway I didn't take any action about that answer, so I paste it here for your opinion :)
 
@TylerH I saw it shortly, too, but now it's gone again.
 
@TylerH No, about the thing where you can't see the list of question because the tag engine isn't online.
 
2:08 PM
@Braiam oh
they gotta sleep some time
 
oh noes, now I'm getting the fugly big cookies box on Stack Overflow, too
8
 
It was so out of place for me that for like a good 3 seconds I was not sure what site I was on
 
2:31 PM
Hello! What's wrong with this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/66868012/…
 
@D7ILeucoH Why you think there is something wrong with it? Because of a single downvote?
 
@Tomerikoo I'm a newbie and I'm afraid I missed something important
 
@D7ILeucoH Downvotes can happen for any reason, including no reason.
 
@D7ILeucoH I'm not an android expert, but your question seems to be fine. It shows your code, your expected output and the current output. Did you search for any similar questions before posting?
 
2:43 PM
@TylerH It's a subtle way of calling everyone a newbie :P
 
@Tomerikoo yes, I tried to do it... There are a lot of info about circular progressbar, but there are no info about the gaps inside it
 
@NathanOliver Not sure what triggered your latest edit on MSE but I welcome the sudden upvotes on my answer ;)
 
@rene I got an up vote, and when I went to the post to refresh myself, I noticed the typo so I fixed it. Got myself a down vote for my trouble :)
 
How dare you bumping a post for fixing your own typos, yes. I thought the post got linked from somewhere, so I wondered where the action came from. Still +6 / -1 is not bad
 
2:57 PM
Is this on-topic? General performance-improvement question
 
@Tomerikoo nope; code review might take it but not in this state
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica well, technically yes, but there is no way for them to receive replies in private, so I think just let it roomba
 
4:11 PM
 
@tripleee In general, I wouldn't recommend to a new user to look for misspellings to correct, even when you mention they should have an eye towards improving the entire post. If all the user does is fix a misspelling, then it's likely their edit will be rejected when they don't fix other glaring issues. It's also quite likely that just fixing a misspelling will result in the user being frustrated by not being able to save the edit, due to not meeting the minimum changed characters.
I believe I know what you were aiming for, but, IMO, it's much more likely that a new user will take what you said and try to just fix a single misspelling in the post. Doing so is only rarely beneficial, particularly given that the edit has to run through the already impacted suggested edits queue.
Personally, I'd really only think that I might have communicated that they, in most cases, need to fix more than just a single misspelling, if I strongly stressed the need to fix all of the problems and not just a single misspelling.
Note: yes, fixing a single misspelling may be helpful and desirable, particularly if it is in a word which will substantially affect whether people can search for and find the post, but the nuances of what's needed for an edit are quite likely to be missed/misinterpreted with any short explanation to the new user.
 
fair enough; I guess I should have emphasized thoughtfulness more
 
I'd like to withdraw that close vote above - the question was just edited
@Makyen - could you please?
 
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Ta
 
4:21 PM
np
@tripleee np. Thanks for considering it.
 
4:43 PM
Sorry @Makyen - another stuff-up ... I just went by the title. Can you please cull the above, too?
 
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@Braiam - your tag edit on my accidentally flagged post is wrong. He's not trying to use a linux cron entry, it's pm2, strictly node based, hence my withdrawal.
 
@tripleee Oof, out of CVs already? :(
 
@tink Cron is not what the op is talking about, then? So, lets remove the tag!
 
yeah, been that way every day this week
 
4:55 PM
Well, it's only Tuesday, so things may improve :)
 
@tink BTW, for me pm2 is exactly the same as systemd. There's nothing about it that isn't system administration
 
Heh. I disagree on that, too ... you only use pm2 for node.js stuff ;)
 
Err.. it can start python applications, same as systemd, bash script, same as systemd, binaries, same as systemd.
Stop, restart, start, reload applications.
It's is systemd but yet another dependency.
Heck PM2 means Process Manager 2
 
5:12 PM
@Scratte are you still here?
@KenWhite LoL Delphi has funny syntax, looks like a car crash between VB6 and Batch-file script.
 
5:37 PM
@bad_coder No, not really. I'm in other rooms for now.
 
@Scratte this is not really a reply then ...
 
hi @Scratte. Well, for old-times sake, if I asked you to make an exception...Would you take a few minutes for me in this room?
@Scratte and you "know me" right :) ?! I promise to make it worth "your while". In fact, I think you'll like it, I bet you will find something edifying in our conversation.
 
7:23 PM
@bad_coder Sure :) I don't expect I'll need a friend for moral support ;)
Hmm.. I come in, they're gone. They come back, I'm gone.. I see this repeating..
 
dang nabbit. It is frustrating to spend time on writing up a well-formed question only to find that it's a duplicate right before you hit submit
I wish SO would just replace their Search algorithm with the one from their 'potential dupe questions' finder from the "Ask" page... it always seems to work far better.
 
8:22 PM
@gunr2171 at this point might just want to mod flag and walk away. The OP seems pretty upset.
 
yeah....
hopefully with all the rollbacks a mod will be alerted anyways
 
I'm really tempted to vote to close it to the original, but I feel that would only make the problem worse
welp, nvm, another hammer took care of it
 
I mean it's a verbatim self-dupe
not surprised
 
Aha, they did reopen the source post at least.
 
programming is one hell of a drug
 
8:25 PM
oh, ah, nvm, now they closed it. programming is definitely one hell of a drug.
 
@Scratte (Usually I don't stay logged in for long). Dinner time and I have a headache, I will write later when I get a moment. Don't worry about it in the meanwhile.
 
^ spam?
 
meh. I voted to close
 
@NathanOliver Fair. Worth editing the email out, at least? Or leave it to the spambots?
 
8:40 PM
leave it to the spam bots.
 
also fair
 
I could rewrite it, but it would be a lot of work
also most answers are kind of bad
 
@Dharman I think I would VTC that as 'need details/clarity'
none of the answers solve OP's problem either since he never accepted any of them... and judging from his profile he knew how to accept answers even back then
which lends itself to the 'unclear' theory
 
8:56 PM
It doesn't look like OP will come back though, so I could hijack it and make it a little bit more clear
 
Yeah, that would probably be the ideal solution, if you are willing to put in the time. Since you are a PHP expert
really wish they'd raise the protected question rep requirement...
at least dynamically or something
 
9:13 PM
@TylerH Forgot to bin this yesterday
@cigien Visual Studio is definitely a tool used primarily/exclusively for programming. What's "General Computing" about this?
 
@TylerH Installing X is always general computing ;)
Doesn't matter what X is
 
@bad_coder OK :) Sorry about your headache. Maybe you think too much ;)
Anyway, you can always find me in whichever room I'm in.. when I'm online ;)
 
@Braiam it's not about installing it
It's about finding meta information on it
 
@TylerH Product license number is part of the installation process, isn't it?
"Where do I find my license?" is part of the installation process, because it's only needed at installation. (Or in some cases where looking for customer support, in which case customer support should indicate where to find it anyways)
 
@Braiam You need it to install yes, but finding it afterward is not part of the installation process
 
9:29 PM
@TylerH It seems that we are devolving into the good old discussion of "X tool is always on topic" and I will respond back that "X isn't always on topic, only when programming" and lets leave it at that.
 
Actually finding it using a tool like PowerShell can easily be considered programming. You may have to find it on all your computers across a network.
 
Just let me end with "this is not programming", because it isn't.
 
@Braiam stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic has a specific exception for questions; they don't have to be about programming if they "cover software tools commonly used by programmers; and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development"
 
@TylerH "and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development" ;)
 
@Scratte I ran into this issue with TechSmith products. Though I don't think OP is asking for a PowerShell solution
 
9:32 PM
Why people ignore that every other item ends with "or" while the last one is joined by "and"?
There has to be some motive behind that, shouldn't it?
 
@Braiam you've just repeated part of the quote I just posted?
If you have an argument to make you should make it rather than hope users come to the same conclusion you have on their own. If that were likely to happen then such a discussion likely wouldn't ever come up.
 
@TylerH Finding license information about any software isn't "unique to software development". I had to repeat it, because it seems that that escaped your argument.
But I'm willing to be argued about how it's unique to software development, but be aware: it will be a tall order to do so.
 
@TylerH I didn't check out the Question. I was just trying to say that "Finding the license key" can't be categorically determined to not be programming. Just like accessing a website can't either.
 
10:12 PM
@Ruli anything is liable to be kept around, ask @Braiam he's our resident SME on the subject :)
 
@bad_coder It took me a second to know why I would be an expert
:)
 
@Braiam LOL I've been meaning to say that ever since I saw that tag for the first time :D
@Scratte me :O think too much? No...that's gotta be you :) But hey, if overthinking is you're problem you could...
 
@mickmackusa and now there is an accepted answer so the Roomba is disqualified. Stack Overflow has too many eggs in too many baskets.
 
find @rene in Amsterdam, take @klutt with you and indulge in his favorite pastime until you're all vegetables :P
 
10:31 PM
@bad_coder Thinking makes me able to learn :)
@bad_coder I'd go to one of klutt's performances. I'm sure that would be fun :)
 
10:49 PM
@Scratte I would too, I hear they do Cypress Hill covers in the backstage :)
 
@bad_coder I have seen a lot of klutt's performances on youtube. They're good entertainment :)
I think some of the links can be found in the ministry :)
@bad_coder Are you ready to tell me why I'm in this room? :)
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/66879423/allocation-of-array Is there a canonical duplicate for "why does [this] undefined behavior seem to work?" ?
 
@Scratte well, yeah...I suppose you're in this room because I pinged you and now we're chatting as usual. But the reason I pinged you is because I want to write a brief text, that however I won't be able to do today..I tried but I'm just too tiered right now to compose a good text.
 
@bad_coder Ohh. Like a short story? :) I don't think I'm dying today, so I think you can write "a brief text" some other time then :)
 
11:03 PM
@Scratte yes.. But, it requires 2 bits of context. So I'll leave the context before I write. It's this, please take a couple of minutes and read Duke University professor removed over 'Speak English' email - BBC
 
@bad_coder I'm a slow reader, so that will take more than "a couple of minutes" :)
 
@Dharman while the question is a low-quality duplicate (OP should have done some debugging), I can easily imagine other people searching for the problem in those terms (rather than referencing the error message).
 
@KarlKnechtel Exactly, which is why I want it gone.
 
@Scratte ok, 3 or 4 minutes. The start is the most important part.
 
The title doesn't describe the problem. It is unclear what it means that it doesn't work.
 
11:05 PM
I don't follow? surely the goal is for people coming in to find that duplicate with a search engine and be redirected to the proper solutions? (Or if they aren't proper for that other user, it's a learning experience)
 
The fact that they have missing arguments should trigger an error, but the title could match any potential error
So, this very ambiguous title is just wasting time. It points to an issue, which is not necessarily going to be a problem someone else faces. It's rather unlikely that that would be the same issue.
Anyone having the same problem of missing arguments, would instead Google the actual error message
People who have no error reporting enabled, would want to find a post talking about enabling error reporting.
This question as it is, sits in no mans land.
 
"Anyone having the same problem of missing arguments, would instead Google the actual error message" This is the claim I'm not convinced about. People seem to take strange approaches to searching at times. (I don't think everyone who claims to have searched and failed to find what turns out to be trivial to find, is lying.)
 
All I am saying is that this question is wasting time. It's highly unlikely to be the same exact problem. Also, that question has only 164 views over 3 years. I doubt anyone actually googles that phrase
 
@bad_coder That entire thing is ridiculous. As I read it, she only sent a warning about what options they would have later on with other <censored> people. Which unfortunately is how the world works.
 
@Scratte there's actually a wealth of issues to that case. (It was echoed in all the media outlets, there's millions of google hits for it.)
@Scratte well, if she's a person in a position of responsibility her job is to uphold fair treatment and denounce discrimination, not to endorse or enforce it. Besides, this feeds into the old "english only" bigotry.
 
11:20 PM
I'm sure there are. The two faculty members that wanted to know the names of the student to be sure to eliminate them from any internships are probably going to be unaffected by this entire thing. In my opinion, they're the ones that should be facing all the fallout from this.
@bad_coder Well, that's two-folded, isn't it? You can tell people that there is a problem here, and they should be aware of how it may influence their future. Even if you have the right to walk through a big park in New York at 3 am, telling your friend not to do it, isn't raising crime or condoning it. It's just warning them of the potential consequence.
 
@Scratte then you didn't read enough what she said, because it partakes in the exact same principles. (Besides, if you read the story in other news outlets what's interesting is the story is whitewashed in a number of ways, there had been precedents to this case.)
@Scratte that doesn't apply, because if you hold an institutional position you also hold special responsibility and power. In that case you're comparing positions that don't apply to that case.
 
There's lots of those unfair things going on in the real world.. it's a fact of life and working against it is how it should be. Not informing people that it's real, is messing with their futures.
@bad_coder In my opinion, it does apply. Being a person pf power doesn't mean you're inhuman and can ignore <censored> people's <censored> views.
 
@Scratte I already addressed this, if you're in a position of power your job is to protect people and take public stance on such issue. Not to circulate semi-anonymous threats and lend them strength. Besides, she takes a position - the wrong one. And also condemns the students for speaking in foreign languages. What's more she advocates for enforcing bigotry.
 
@bad_coder So you're saying they should not have warned of this, and just let those students not have the same options for their future? Because that's the right thing to do?
 
Does this qualify as asking for recommendations? stackoverflow.com/q/66867318
 
11:27 PM
@Scratte it's not about warning. In her position she was reissuing a threat and attempting to coerce.
 
@bad_coder I don't see it that way at all. I just see it as a warning. Perhaps those student weren't even aware that they'd limit their future options. Some are probably not aware that their skin colour also limits their options.
@bad_coder That's not how I read the email at all.
It doesn't matter what the right thing to do is. The fact is that some of those student will be eliminated by other things than their academic work. Like colour, nationality, language.. or how pretty they look, how much they smile at the interview.
And no law, rules or guideline can make a person not way in those things. They can pick whoever they like, or not like. And no one can force them to be honest about the actual reasons.
 
You know, I find it really strange that anyone here is having an off-topic discussion debating the moral implications of "English only" policy in the context of a website with such policy.
 
@KarlKnechtel We had a conversation here when someone posted in a different language in this room a while ago. Would you like me to find a link to the beginning of that?
 
No, I would not, tbh.
@khelwood I think that's a possible interpretation, but that "needs focus" is a better close reason. OP seems to want anything that will work, whether a recommended service or custom-written code; every possibility is clearly off-topic.
 
@KarlKnechtel it's not off-topic since a number of issue pertaining to the site are discussed in this room.
 
11:34 PM
If your proposal is that the website should not be English-only, the place to petition for that is meta.stackoverflow.com.
If on the other hand you want to argue about whether other people were or are bigoted, that's off-topic and also seems a bit hypocritical.
 
@bad_coder ..but, as someone seems to be complaining that I'm having an off-topic discussion, perhaps it would be wise to find me in another room. To be honest, I'm not entirely comfortable with this room at this point. I am however in two other rooms where there's a little risk of getting complaints.
 
@KarlKnechtel I was trying to have an on-topic discussion, if you have an issue with that no one is forcing you to read it.
 
I'm tired and I'm not in the mood to have a fight about whether or not I'm abusing this space.. so..
 
@Scratte it's called derailing.
 
@bad_coder Whatever it's called, they can have this room! I don't much care who owns is.
I'm out..
 
11:40 PM
@Scratte well, I like to think the RO's in this room are pretty good. I know I trust them enough to allow a good discussion. (Being accused of being a hypocrite, or whatever is just nonsense, that's just something to ignore on those terms.)
 
On second thought, let’s not go to SOCVR. ‘Tis a silly place.
 
@Scratte btw, that user pretending to lecture me on what I can't do doesn't have any noticeable contribution in this room apparently only logged in today to give orders. I don't know him, and it's presumptions to pretend lecturing to the regulars.
 
@bad_coder 1. I did notice that I haven't seen them before, but I don't think that's relevant. 2. I may have used to be a regular in this room. 3. Even if I am up to date with all the rules in the FAQ, and have almost memorized them, I do not think it's a good used of my time to find them. In this case I think it's not even in the FAQ but on github about allowing/disallowing off-topic conversations from a suggestion to a room meeting.
@bad_coder But I am asking you to please consider finding me in a different room. This is only a conversation. Nothing on Stack will change. There will be no meta post suggested from it. The conversation can be had in any other room (well.. not entirely, but.. :-) I don't want this fight, it's not a hill I want to die on, it's not something I "need".
Can we end this in here now? Please?
 

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