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12:09 AM
@mickmackusa the big problem is that there are also so many ways to get it right. So any "how do I write a login/registration" question is too broad
 
12:27 AM
@Nick Yes, there is no way for me to debate that. Yet we have huge canonicals for how to sort iterable data 20 different ways multiplied by several different kinds of test cases. These pages are often a mile long. I hate these canonicals because nobody wants to wade through such a heap. I suppose there would need to be a fleet of questions -- each with their own isolated scope so that they are easy to follow and won't invite huge answers. How that is practically done -- I do not know.
(Brissie goes into 3-day lockdown from tonight) @Nick
 
@mickmackusa yeah - just saw that. bummer. I hope it's enough to allow you to come out for Easter.
@mickmackusa probably the #1 answer should be "Don't. Use a framework."
 
Not a worry. We hide chocolates in and around our house for the kids (riddle-based since my kids are tween & teen aged) on the day. I don't foresee it being a big deal. I think my boy called out that schools might be closing too -- so that means home-schooling which my daughter does not prefer. On the bright side, she normally gets all her work done in about 2 hours and has the rest of the day to burn however she wishes.
@Nick but we don't do framework recommendations, so that answer is not very helpful.
 
@mickmackusa I'm not suggesting that the answer recommend a specific framework, just that users use one. Then if they have problems, they can ask a specific question about the specific framework, which would be on-topic and we could get one answer and then close everything else as a dupe of it.
 
1:35 AM
Is the second tag in the cv-pls a new thing that we should start doing? I don't remember the FAQ saying anything about using 2 tags
 
1:56 AM
@TheGrandJ The second tag is desired, but not required. It's been that way for years. It's something which the Request Generator automatically adds when making a request, and for request messages in chat that don't have it, the URRS adds it to what is displayed to the user (but not actually to the message).
 
2:20 AM
Is there a flag for too many details can't determine the question :P
oh wait I'm dumb I can just use needs focus. nvm
 
@TheGrandJ or needs clarity
 
or that
 
2:56 AM
Hey guys I flagged a post for duplicate but then found a second post that also might answer it. Could you help me work out which duplicate is better to get this closed as? Here is the post: https://stackoverflow.com/q/66848171/12672179
here are the potential links: https://stackoverflow.com/q/66503989/12672179
and
https://stackoverflow.com/q/64370610/12672179
Should this be a proper cv-pls or only once I have a specific one?
 
3:31 AM
@TheGrandJ If either one of them is a valid target, then a cv-pls is fine, even if you're not sure which one is more suitable.
 
I really aught to read FAQ better sometimes lol
 
4:59 AM
That's a very unfortunate typo by wagaga
Putting a N in by accident
 
@TheGrandJ actually missing an o; edit proposed but needs one more review
 
i'm not thrilled with the edit message, amusing though it is :p
 
Sadly though it is actually off-topic
Should be codeReview
 
5:31 AM
Serial Poster , consider as spam? 1 , 2 , 3
 
@Droid Yep. I reported to SD.
 
6:02 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I thought a second "No" answer was not really necessary. Also, the question is not that great.
 
Hm profile name is bestcode, answer is on a question about go and the link leads to "gobestcode" I smell a spam
 
6:20 AM
@TheGrandJ don't forget to add a [tag:flag-pls]
 
@TheGrandJ this was already reported here by SD; I don't see why you need to bring it up a second time
 
Ah mb didn't know i needed that
I'm trying to follow the FAQ and thought that doing that helps confirm it
So if SD brings up and is true just don't do anything? Or should i do a flag pls tag with an explanation of how spam or how it work?
 
what you can do is provide feedback to SD, right here in this room or by other means, though you will need to be approved by a room owner for the former (and since you are rather new here, probably wait for a while before requesting that)
if you would like to provide feedback to Smokey by other means, just create a metasmoke account and start clicking
 
Rightio. That's my bad. Thanks for letting me know
 
there are some user scripts which help with that
 
6:23 AM
@TheGrandJ if it's not obvious it's spam then it's ok to add a flag request, explaining why you think it is spam
 
Ah okay
 
definitely smacks of undisclosed affiliation but it was their first hit so I just left a comment on their post; will go back and flag as spam if they persist
 
Is talking about an account when we think it might be spam considered targeting a user? Like If I went and pointed out a few sus things about the account does that go against the room guidelines?
 
vaguely yes; probably more appropriate for Charcoal HQ anyway
that's Smoke Detector's home room, in case it's not obvious
 
:O I'm gonna be honest I wasn't aware of that room
 
6:29 AM
probably read the intro at charcoal-se.org/smokey
 
6:44 AM
this is link-only, but according to the question this is not NAA?
 
@Droid Although, it doesn't seem to qualify for NAA flag, the previous answer says the same thing. There is just a (supposingly, I din't check) supporting link to docs
 
@Double-expresso then it should be a comment instead of answer, I think.
 
@Droid I edited the answer.
 
7:09 AM
Can someone edit the image in: stackoverflow.com/a/66849966/11573842
It isn't allowing me to
 
@Yatin It tells" Body must be at least 30 characters; you entered 27.". You may want to add some explanation there?
 
@Yatin I added a few characters to the body. it's done
 
@Nick Oh thank you :D
I tried adding some filler text between the [] of the image but it didn't accept that :/
Thought of adding a "Please" before the sentence but that would have been fluff :(
 
I think what I added reflected OPs intent
 
Yep :)
 
7:41 AM
The 2nd sd report is the exact dupe of the first
 
7:57 AM
@tink edited with details
 
@tripleee cool ...
 
8:24 AM
Hi there! I'd like to post an answer for this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/3585887/…
In fact it can be done in 5 lines of code, without external library... so I'd like to post it, for future reference.
So it can be done without "seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more". Would someone want to reopen it?
 
please review the room FAQ for how to submit a reopen request and how to argue for it
 
Hi @tripleee, thanks for your answer. I've done it a few times in the past. Have things changed recently?
 
@Basj Just because you want to post an answer does not imply that an off-topic question should be reopened. The best thing is that you create a new post that is on-topic and where you publish your answer
 
that question in its current form does not look like it's suitable for Stack Overflow
 
@Basj Actually, question doesn't seem like it asks for recommendations. It asks for vanilla JS solution to something. It seems it's just worded rather badly.
 
8:27 AM
@tripleee, yes I know. I wanted to edit it to make it on topic. Because I found it rather useful.
 
you can't edit it to something which invalidates the existing answers, though
 
@tripleee Of course. I'm not that noob about SO ;)
 
This post should not be reopened since it is off-topic and contains responses that are only links, it is better that you create a new post if you consider that your response is of quality
 
then probably go ahead and edit, and then post a properly formatted [tag:reopen-pls] here
but like eyllanesc I'm skeptical that that is the right thing to do here
 
As far as I know, requests should not be made where there are conflicts of interest, and in your case there clearly is.
 
8:32 AM
@eyllanesc conflict of interest is a bit excessive. I have no interest. I can even post my answer as community wiki.
My only goal is to be able to find a working 5-line-of-JS code for a lightbox next time I'll google it in 3 years ;)
It's rather difficult to find, strangely.
 
@Basj clearly you want to answer that post because it has a lot of activity, if you were not interested then you would not post an answer
 
@eyllanesc I want the answer to be useful, that's all. I can make it community wiki to have 0 interest.
 
@Basj If you are not interested in the activity of that post then it is best that you create your own post with an self-answer.
 
@eyllanesc It would be a shame to ask the same question twice (which would be closed as dupe...)
 
@eyllanesc I don't think the intent to answer introduces a conflict of interest, does it? Who else would ever want to reopen a post?
 
8:36 AM
@Basj No, that question was closed for being off-topic, so your new question should not be so it should not be an exact duplicate.
 
Well I just asked like that, not a big deal. I just wanted to share this code because it can be useful for future readers (I spent 15 minutes to find a short and working code), but it's not a big deal. Never mind.
@eyllanesc never mind ;) Sometimes I thought it would be good to trust each other between 20k+ rep long time members of this community. But not a big deal if I cannot post this code. I'll happily move on :)
 
@tripleee Can I ask that questions be reopened where I participate or want to participate?
 
See FAQ rule #15: "For questions and answers: You are "involved" in the question and all answers to the question if you are the author of the question or the author of any non-deleted, non-community-wiki answer on the question." I don't think the intention is already enough for a conflict of interest.
 
@tripleee Never mind, it's really not a big deal at all. I don't want this tiny little thing to be a big discussion. Have a good day and happy coding!
 
@Basj Then ask that your petition be deleted
 
8:39 AM
@eyllanesc where you have participated there is a conflict of interest. Where you plan to, how would that conflict of interest be demonstrated, other than by interviewing you and trusting (or not) your answer?
 
@eyllanesc Come on, let's move on :) Are you sure to want to still debate about this little thing?
 
@tripleee Because he is clearly pointing it out: I want to reopen because I want to answer. The intention is valid for a conflict of interest.
 
@eyllanesc See my post above for the room rules.
 
@tripleee IMO the best thing is that to avoid this possible conflict of interest it is better for the user to create a question with self-answer since it is not a duplicate because the question must be on-topic unlike the question that was closed because it was off- topic
 
the room rules say otherwise though, in my interpretation (and I guess Jeanne's)
 
8:43 AM
@eyllanesc Please, can we stop about this 'conflict of interest' thing? We're losing our time about nothing. I wanted to share a 5-line solution as community wiki, because I found this information more difficult to find as expected. Let's move on, please?
 
definitely simpler to post a separate question because that avoids the whole discussion
 
For me it is on the edge, so in these cases I would recommend creating a new post avoiding this type of discussion
@Basj If you delete your request then everything will end.
 
@eyllanesc This is becoming ridiculous. Can we stop?
 
@Basj For me as long as the request is still active then the problem has not ended
 
@eyllanesc Ok
 
8:47 AM
@eyllanesc There is no problem because it's not against the rules. The rules are about past interactions with the post, not possible future intentions (easy workaround would be to not declare them and answer anyway). And what should be done if someone made a reopen request and then answered the question?
 
@eyllanesc well, that is too much of a stretch to explain our current rules. I'll allow it.
@Basj yes, we can debate every little thing here. Things have exploded over less.
 
I don't understand why they want to shut up the discussions, that's what the room is for. On the other hand, I go to the spirit of the rule whose objective is to avoid conflicts of interest and if the requestor indicates that he wants to reopen it to answer it then clearly there is a conflict of interest. And as I point out for me it is on the edge: some will think that it is and others will not, so to avoid that problem it is better to create new posts.
 
9:15 AM
this link-only answer is NAA according to the question?
@Tomerikoo nice pp, you are looking awesome :D
@ThierryLathuille its need a rollback
 
Probably trying to bypass a Q-ban.
 
@Droid The original version was unclear as well, looking to subtract or divide more than 2 arguments, without ever clarifying what a possible result could have been - and some answers interpreted that in different ways.
 
@ThierryLathuille It seems to be the same question, just that now it's C#
 
9:33 AM
@Braiam It has been rolled back by VLAZ a few minutes ago. The OP had changed it to a 1 line question ("How to subtract numbers with arugment") with C# tag (maybe trying to hide it?)
 
Yeah, rolled back because it invalidated the answers.
 
@ThierryLathuille Again, same question (doing algebra) with different languages.
 
Not that the answers were great - two of them seemed to have completely missed what the question is, it seems.
Also, reading the original question, it's not that unclear. It does need to specify what should happen with variable amount of arguments for division but it's well defined for two arguments for both division and subtraction. Both of these operations are non-commutative. So, when you try to calculate subtract(3, 4) as 4 - 3 it doesn't work, while sum(3, 4) is the same as 4 + 3
Weird insult but I'll take your word for it.
Ah, I was wondering why the flag took so long. SO is down.
 
"Stack Overflow is down for maintenance" I feel insulted!1!1
 
Sometimes got 500, not got Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance
 
9:45 AM
@E_net4thecurator I must say, it's very unwelcoming
 
But I think this was a planned intervention. It was announced somewhere at Meta SE.
 
SO is UP
 
@E_net4thecurator So down for maintenance my productivity goes up.
 
I see the question has now been deleted. It's not my question, so I shouldn't even think about it, but really. This is a non-sense. It was a useful 11 year old question, which had 17 upvotes, 5 favorite stars (showing that people found it useful). I even came here a few hours ago to discuss about its usefulness and maybe reopening would be useful.

And now you deleted it... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3585887/simple-small-pure-javascript-lightbox-dialog-overlay

What's the benefit of deleting it? Really...
 
@Basj I'm ambivalent towards that question. I just want to point out that it had 2 delete votes when you posted it here. Or at least 2 delete votes very shortly after I saw you posting it - I doubt people here delvoted that fast.
 
9:56 AM
@VLAZ IIRC, there were no delete vote before I posted it here. It's the SOCVR kiss of death ;)
 
@Basj The rules of 10 years ago are not the same as now, nor the number of votes that were given. If we consider that scenario, 17 votes are few for that time. The question was removed because it is off-topic and only attracted responses that are just links.
3
 
it's also "broken windows"; if we don't repair what we find is broken, it acts as a signal to others that we don't care, or that that type of content is welcome here
2
 
*shrug* I opened it shortly after you posted and saw 2 del votes + 1 reopen on it.
 
yeah, me too
 
@tripleee I'd agree with this. I do think that the question was OK but the answers were bad. Don't think it was a recommendation question but it was pretty bad because it only got recommendation answers before it was closed.
 
9:59 AM
@eyllanesc There are many old questions on SO that have historical signifiance and that are useful for the worldwide community of developers, and (fortunately) we don't delete them, they stay on the site (sometimes closed), even if they are not on topic anymore.
 
probably the move to have it reopened was countered by some of our members with a delete vote in order to prevent that from happening; I don't think we would have minded leaving it in a closed state otherwise
 
@VLAZ I came this morning to ask to post a new answer (which would be ok)... That was the precise point: TL;DR: "question ok, answers bad, can I post a new answer?"
 
so now the alternative seems even more attractive; post a new question and answer pair without the historical chaff
 
@Basj Just those questions are frozen but with your action you took away that status. You realize the consequences of our actions.
 
I don't think an undel-pls would make sense given the answers it currently has
 
10:01 AM
Really, what a waste of time for you guys, for me, for the people who originally posted it 10 years, and for all people who have found it useful and who won't be able to find it anymore. We could have reopened and posted an ok-answer :)
 
When a question gets deleted do the author of question and answers loose votes points?
 
@DaImTo Only if it was deleted shortly after posted. IIRC if it's been up for 30 or 60 days then deletion doesn't remove the rep.
 
The question was closed 5 years ago and no one modified it during that time but in these last hours when modifying it then it entered the scrutiny of the community with the current rules and the consensus was reached that it is better to eliminate it.
 
What's the point, really? It was useful, and could have become even more useful, with a better answer (that was ready to be posted).
Sometimes SO is the most amazing collective construction of the internet, and sometimes, like here... what a deceptive situation: we could have improved it and posted a good answer (it was ready to be posted). But instead, just a waste of knowledge.
 
IMO most of the answers are border line link only and do the links even work? I think the question should be "Will it still help anyone"
 
10:04 AM
@DaImTo TL;DR I came to suggest to reopen because I had a non-link-only answer ready to be posted, that answered the question
 
What is useful in SO does not imply that it was useful for someone, but the questions that ask for a recommendation would also be valid since for some reader they will be useful
 
@eyllanesc 17 people decided it was useful: i.imgur.com/7whcW8I.png
 
I only have basic knowledge of JS. However IMO its asking for recommendations ten years ago. Are those recommendations even still valid or are they out of date. Is leaving it more or less likely to lead someone down the wrong path?
 
@Basj As I already pointed out that it was useful for someone does not imply with the rules of the site.
 
@Basj what was useful ten years ago is not necessarily useful now.
 
10:09 AM
@DaImTo with this premise, we could delete every 10-year question. "This 2012 question has 127 upvotes, but probably it's not useful now, let's delete it"
 
We deleted it because it had recent activity: your edition. If you hadn't edited the post, we wouldn't even be arguing about it.
 
@Basj I dont think thats true a lot of things are still useful after ten years. But recommendations are probably not going to be the same things have changed. I would be worried that leaving this would confuse someone. You have no idea how many people i have helped who are using six year old github tutorials that are so out of date that they wont work.
Just checked my first answer on stack eight years old still valid :)
See now you have me thinking, (always a bad thing) What about all the questions related to things that are dead now like the Google plus api. All those questions and answers. Are no longer valid as the API doesn't even exist, not even the documentation for it exists.
 
10:32 AM
@DaImTo Depends on the score. If it has been visible on the site for at least 60 days and a score of at least +3, they keep their gained rep. But for example an answer with only 1 upvote -> they'll lose their 10 points.
@VLAZ See the FAQ: "The post had a score of at least +3" and "The post has been visible on the site for at least 60 days"
 
@Basj how much of that knowledge was relevant still?
good thing you posted here instead of meta, or it would additionally be at -263 downvotes (-:
 
@JeanneDark Thanks cc: @DaImTo
 
@Basj you said earlier "I don't want this tiny little thing to be a big discussion" but you come back with it... I voted to delete it because I think it's a bad question which attracted only bad answers. What's the big deal? Why don't you simply open a good question (or find another one that would fit) so you can provide your answer? You're making this a big issue when it's not.
 
10:49 AM
@snakecharmerb that looks like a spam seed so I'm nominating to flag as spam instead of merely close
 
11:21 AM
 
What about this blatant "code this for me" question, with an open bounty: stackoverflow.com/questions/66729215/… - I raised a mod flag 5 days ago but it's still pending... Is my flag being ignored or do mods have just too much to do?
 
"It's a flag by MrUpsidown, quick, look busy!" — Mods, probably
 
@Braiam, oh that would explain it, true ;)
 
11:42 AM
@MrUpsidown it means mods are busy
pending also doesn't mean "no one has seen this yet". It could mean "it's been seen and is being investigated/deliberated"
 
@TylerH ok thanks - I'll wait or post a CVR here when the bounty has expired! (and retract my flag)
 
@eyllanesc It's probably not so much wanting to "shut up a discussion", but rather that they've a lot more pinging/discussion than they bargained for. It's perfectly natural for someone to want to abort and escape a situation where they approach a person/group, make an inquiry, and receive a lot of negative or conflicting responses.
@eyllanesc You're free to discuss stuff (though we also have a standing rule about excessive discussion about specific posts), but if someone asks you to drop something they brought up, then at the very least don't @-mention them (which pings them and creates a notification if they miss it) in your conversation about it anymore :-)
@Dharman Nice new specs! RAM seems high though. You run into issues where you regularly need more than 32GB even for dev/compiling?
 
@TylerH If you analyze; I did exactly what you indicate: I no longer used @ but later he would ping me, I was talking to another user about that topic.
 
@eyllanesc You did... after they asked you to three times.
 
@TylerH Not yet. I hope I won't any time soon. It's nice to have some spare room.
 
11:50 AM
@Dharman Did you get 16GB sticks?
 
yeah
 
phew
anything smaller will be a PITA to troubleshoot if you get a stick going bad
also I'm surprised about PSU shortages
 
@TylerH I did it in the second, and as time I was arguing with tripleee but then he wrote back to me.
 
though of course I live in the US, not Ireland...
 
It's much harder to get stuff onto the island
 
11:51 AM
@TylerH Sounds like a you problem :P
 
I'm more surprised that you found a 5900x. Those aren't as rare as RTX 3000 or RX 6000, but still rare.
 
@VLAZ hehe
Yeah I bought a 1060 6GB just ~2 years ago (or maybe 3 now...) and I checked last week on Newegg... that same 1060 6GB is going for over $900!
I bought mine for like $200 or something
 
My 590x was like 120 USD almost 3 years ago. A 470x was going for 500 the other day, retail price.
 
Also got a 1060 6GB at the end of 2018. So, 2.5 years ago. It was in the region of $200. Maybe $300 at most.
 
@VLAZ I've been pretty pleased with mine so far
except the screws come a little loose over time and cause some annoying vibration due to its size (I got a 2- or 3-fan card)
I've tightened them down once already but they came loose again.
usually I can fix it by just moving the case side to side a little bit, but still
 
12:02 PM
@TylerH Use Loctite
 
@TylerH Same here. I only got mine after the 970 I got went to join the great motherboard in the sky. I was willing to get another 970 but the 1060 was basically an equivalent and cheaper.
 
@Tomerikoo Use a brand?
ah actually...
 
@TylerH Use Loctite to tighten the screws. They will never get loose again ;)
 
Or use bolt and nut :D
 
@Tomerikoo yeah... nah :-)
 
12:06 PM
I checked this handy chart and it suggests using duct tape if you want something to not move.
6
 
12:31 PM
 
mck
@mck among the fastest records for closing :D
 
@NathanOliver o/
 
1:35 PM
I see username burnination is not going well
 
@Dharman Honestly it's just kinda been forgotten. I should ping Rob to see if we just need to move for CM cleanup
 
It's tough one. Many of these questions are pretty bad. We don't have that many CVs available or time to evaluate them quickly
 
the pin is missing from here, that probably contributed
 
1:56 PM
 
I really wish we had a No attempt what so ever flag.
 
2:26 PM
@DaImTo you do, it's called a downvote
 
@tink It appears you and @tripleee agree that the question shouldn't be closed? If so, could the request be binned?
 
2:49 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis It seems you closed this question previously. That means you can't post a cv-pls request for that post once it gets reopened.
 
@TylerH I know downvoting is just so, harsh. especially to new users.
 
@DaImTo it's only harsh if you treat it as such. As designed, it's just a signal for whether content is good quality, on-topic, etc.
 
@TylerH Can this request be binned please? It's in violation of FAQ#15.
 
Downvote the post and not the user and users will have no reason to complain.
@TylerH @SotiriosDelimanolis I binned this request -- Rule #15 mentions requesting action on posts is disallowed when you've already performed that same action successfully (e.g. requesting a on a question you've successfully closed).
@user692942 cc @eyllanesc @mck as the others who VTC that one
 
3:05 PM
@Tomerikoo Oops, I closed that too fast, my bad. Thanks for catching that.
 
@TylerH The original duplicate wasn't the issue, ended up helping the OP work-out the problem. Would be nice if I could leave an answer now, after all that work.
 
@cigien Yeah me too, I noticed 2 seconds too late
 
But at least you noticed :)
Indeed. Done.
 
@user692942 I'm curious why you haven't cast a reopen vote?
 
@TylerH oh it doesn't do it from the userscript...whoops facepalm
 
3:18 PM
@user692942 it's open now; you can share that answer you worked so hard on :-)
 
@TylerH cheers
 
3:49 PM
This is NAA, isn't it? Looks like a new question to me.
 
@JeanneDark Yeah. I threw a delete vote at it.
 
Thanks!
 
4:04 PM
 
@TylerH ah right, it's been so long
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica That target is completely wrong. The OP is not asking how to use a debugger. In fact, I don't know why the question was closed at all. It has debugging details, and is clear.
 
4:53 PM
I forget, is there a policy (not room but SO) about leaving comments on a post telling someone they should down vote it?
 
At least NLN since that's not what comments are for.
 
@NathanOliver Not sure. I have occasionally left comments that a post is likely to attract downvotes ... not sure if that's the same thing.
 
@NathanOliver Not sure if there's a direct policy, but if you post a comment anywhere (on SO at any rate) complaning about downvotes it's likely to be flagged unfriendly by the system
 
@cigien Agreed. Now undeleted and has 1 reopen vote.
 
@AdrianMole Thanks.
 
5:06 PM
@NathanOliver Shall I ask on MSO (or do you want to)?
 
@Machavity It's not complaining about down votes. It's one user telling me that I should down vote a particular post.
@JeanneDark I might. I figured I'd ask here first since we have a few lurking mods and a lot of people that know meta well
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, but it's in that wheelhouse (it's kinda like SO's version of Queen). Got a link?
 
@Machavity Sure, here is the post: stackoverflow.com/a/66858183/4342498
 
Yep, it was autoflagged. Feel free to flag stuff like that as unfriendly
 
Thanks. Looks like the author also fixed the problem, so I don't need to down vote it anyway
 
5:16 PM
Say a user gets +5 on 4 different posts within 2 minutes (being a 1 rep before that)...Should that be flagged as possible voting fraud if the system doesn't reverse it? Or does someone periodically check up on that kind of voting pattern?
 
@bad_coder too little
 
tanget How does an OP only get 5 points? ;)
 
@NathanOliver I mean for a total of 200 rep in 2 minutes (20 votes).
 
ohh then, yeah of course
 
@Dharman ok, then I'm flagging. Lets see how it goes...
 
5:19 PM
It's probably already escalated, but please flag anyway
 
It would definitely be suspicious to me and I would flag. First though, are the posts actually something worth hitting the vote cap over? Sometimes you get experts that never had an SO account before or it could be someone starting a new account, so it's not impossible for a 1 reper to generate great content
 
@NathanOliver mmm, only 4 posts written in 2018 and they suddenly all get +5...Technically the posts don't seem like anything special.
 
@bad_coder When you say +5, do you mean up voted? I ask because there is no +5 rep change anymore. Q's and A's both get 10 rep on an upvote
 
Well spotted bot.
 
5:37 PM
@NathanOliver I mean 20 upvotes, 5 upvotes X 4 posts = 200 rep.
 
@bad_coder that definitely looks like fraud. 5 friends/coworkers upvoting all a user's posts
 
@TylerH "Do I look like I have a job or friends?"
 
 
2 hours later…
8:28 PM
@TylerH I don't think this question is General Computing, but at the same time I have no idea what this question is about. The answers seems to show how to add a certificate to Apache
Maybe we should edit the question to ask how to add an SSL certificate to Apache webserver
 
@Dharman Creating an SSL certificate for your local machine seems like something a super user would do
certainly a non-super user wouldn't typically do such a thing
 
In this case, they are doing this on a personal development machine
So, it is related to a programmer's workflow
 
10:10 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar In case you're unaware, FAQ#15 was recently updated to include "if you've close-voted a question and that vote was the vote, or one of the votes, which caused the question to be closed, you may not post a cv-pls if the question is later reopened.". This would disallow your cv-pls.
 
Hello. Where might I find an SO general site support room? One has not become obvious to me.
 
@NathanOliver Could this request be binned please? Reason mentioned here.
@raccoon It depends on what you're looking for. This room deals with a subset of the site's mechanics, although it's a fairly large subset. Take a look at the FAQ if you haven't done so already. If your question is about the kinds of things we deal with, we'd be more than happy to help. You could also post a question on Meta with the [support] tag.
 
10:27 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, per FAQ #15, the requestor is "involved".
 
I guess my question would be; Is there an effective way to acquire or beg for 50 reputation so that I do not have to pollute the site with comments-as-answers, after over 3 years registered? Or just go ahead and pollute the site with answers that are comments-in-disguise like everyone else?
 
@raccoon SO has good questions, but we have a lot more noise than signal these days. Find a tag you like and put in some time to find a good question to answer. Or find something that hasn't been asked
 
@Machavity That does sound fine and good, but I only visit your site to raid and loot information when I have need to do so. Occasionally I make further discoveries of my own that I wish to contribute, general an expansion of somebody else's answer, that isn't necessarily worthy to stand as an answer on its own. To date I have balked at posting scores of such insights and expansions, due to low reputation, and so that information will be squandered with me to my grave being forbade to comment.
 
@raccoon One tip is not to add this to your answers
> This was posted as an answer instead of a comment due to the reputation system
 
@Machavity too honest?
 
10:43 PM
@raccoon More like slapping a note onto the back of your answer that says "Flag Me"
Nothing annoys flaggers more than people who openly acknowledge the rules and flout them anyways
I think your answer adds just enough to stand on its own. You're not obviously retreading something
 
@Machavity Which rule is in violation? The site is encouraging / forcing use of the "answer" system in order to gain reputation points to comment. Or is the subtext considered to be disparaging and unpatriotic?
(I just didn't want downvotes for "this should have been a comment" again.)
 
We expect answers to answer the question. When you post something like that, people will read it as "This person can't comment so they used an answer instead". I delete dozens of those a day
It makes it more likely someone will flag it and reviewers/mods will delete it
 
You delete good information? :o
Is there any sort of SO arcade game or side quests I can burn through to gain 29 more reputation points without having to wait another 42 months?
 
Depends. Sometimes people post useful things... just not for the question asked
 
@raccoon Yes, it's called suggesting edits to posts to improve them. You can have up to 5 suggestions active at a time and get +2 reputation for each one which is approved.
 
10:53 PM
Unfortuantely the ultimate reward for said side question is capped at 1000 rep. Gotta post to get to 2k, and unrestricted edits
 
Yeah. I hate it when people edit my answers. Each time they have been completely misinformed and "corrected" my correct answer with incorrect / invalid information.
 
@raccoon Good news there is you are the final arbiter on edits of your posts. Did someone make an edit you didn't like? You can reject it
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... Or simply rollback if others already approved it...
 
@Tomerikoo She can't roll back. Have to be >2k to do that. Reject is available to all users, tho
 
@Machavity Even on your own posts? I would assume that if you can edit your own posts freely, you can also rollback
 
11:01 PM
I guess you can. Had to find an SE account with an edit by someone else, but I do see the Rollback option without edit prvis
 
@Machavity Just the other day I rolled-back a question of mine on another site where I only have the complimentary 100 rep
 
11:30 PM
 
11:46 PM
@Machavity Note, if you make the post objectively worse, community will delete it then (while posting a good version).
 

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