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3:02 PM
 
"I understood that this is supposed to be a place to help people" Hmmm
 
@Dharman "SO is toxic" rant iteration N
 
@Zoe maybe you could explain to that user why you removed it again...
 
Zoe
Working on it
Doign about 4 things at once
 
@MrUpsidown Why? The initial explanation from Dharman was fine
 
3:06 PM
@SurajRao it should be burned with fire.
 
Is this an NAA?
 
Zoe
Yeah, and the comment has been deleted, so I'm staying out of it :eyes:
 
@SurajRao As your own link shows, it is the literal reason burnination was created
 
@Nick you're right, I didn't see that one...
 
@AmitJoshi I think that's an attempt at an answer.
 
3:08 PM
@Dharman There's people who want their conversations to remain because "it makes SO friendlier". They don't seem to understand that people don't come here for friendly answers. They come here for useful ones.
 
@SurajRao looks like it was created somewhat whimsically by a 9th grader who has only been on SO for a few months but has several thousand rep. Certainly no effort was made to add tag wiki information
 
@AdrianMole Agreed. Seems enough like an answer to me. Might be useful or it might not be (I really cannot judge here) but an answer is what it is.
 
@Machavity Unfriendly answers are generally far more useful, in my experience.
 
Friendliness and usefulness aren't even related.
But humans be humans... and be very bad at it.
 
Zoe
No, humans are very good at being humans
 
3:11 PM
@AmitJoshi Don't think it's opinion based. There are definite criterias to evaluate whether to use DFS or BFS. Yes, in some cases it doesn't matter, so you can go with either, but the criteria is there. Whether you want the "best" (shortest/longest) path or to find any path the fastest, for example.
 
Coincidental correlations can occur.
 
Zoe
But humans are bad, which is where the problem is :P
 
^ that
 
Zoe
laughs in fox
 
No worries - I'm a mad bat.
 
3:12 PM
You're a batmobile batmole?
 
I once heard someone say "We believe that man is essentially good. It’s only his behavior that lets him down."
 
I get a sudden urge to put a Santa hat on all of you people :D
 
Ho Ho Ho!
 
Kids learn so fast to be cynical.
 
@AmitJoshi Regardless of opinion based or not, it is too broad for sure.
 
3:13 PM
@AdrianMole You're the first.. :)
 
@code11 I disagree on that, as well.
 
Oh? It asks multiple questions. I thought that would be a pretty clear application of the rule. Q1: How to, given a problem tell whether to use BFS or DFS. Q2: What are the advantages of BFS over DFS
Related, but definitely different questions
 
@code11 I take it as two parts of the same question. It's essentially "when to choose BFS or DFS" and the advantages/disadvantages are there to help guide the usage.
 
The link in the comment is a similar (identical?) question which was also closed for being opinion based.
The answers are pretty good.
 
3:20 PM
@AdrianMole There's no hiding from the squirrel version of the Winter bash
 
hee hee
I still haven't found a list of this year's hats. IIRC, it's easier to find once you have a hat.
 
I expect they will not be announced until it starts.
 
That, too. But I'm sure some of the 'old standards' will still be with us. I like the unicorn horn.
 
Or the Santa hat? It's been on for a few years.
 
Zoe
santa hats are overrated :p
 
3:26 PM
I like them so much I want to wear them all winter long. People look at me like I missed the end of Christmas :)
 
Zoe
Winter here lasts about 4-9 months depending on the year :')
 
@Scratte admittedly, wearing the hat in the summer is a bit odd.
 
I'm chatting so that this message doesn't get stared to get a hat...
 
Can you even get a hat before the start of the winter bash?
 
IIRC, last year Machavity managed to get a hat before it was possible to get it. But he is credit to team.
 
3:34 PM
@Zoe only 4? :-P
 
@AdrianMole that was due to some bug, which was resolved after about 100 "2020 eyeglasses" were handed out
 
Zoe
@TylerH more like 7-8, but finished up a few things before I sent that :')
 
Ermm.. that looks like it's off by one.
 
3:49 PM
@AdrianMole I'm not sure which of the two answers you're referring to, but if you mean the one you edited, that one definitely warrants a mod flag, and it won't get declined for sure.
 
@cigien It wasn't.
 
@Braiam Do you mean it's NAA, or that it doesn't really answer that question? It looks like an answer to me.
 
@cigien It only looks like an answer, because it's plagiarized ;)
It isn't even good at plagiarizing the content even.
 
@Braiam Maybe so, but even a poorly plagiarized answer is still an answer. Anyway, I take it you think it's a good audit?
 
4:04 PM
@cigien No, it's not a good audit, because I presume it was selected based on being spam meta.stackexchange.com/q/238647/213575
 
@dippas and at least three people thought upvoting content there was a good idea...
 
@Braiam Oh, I didn't know you were against any spam post being an audit. I'm not sure I'd go that far myself, but I'll have to think about it. Thanks for the link.
 
@cigien No, read again. I'm against audits that teach you nothing.
First post and Late answers audits can perfectly fine use spam for audits.
After all, those are the only queue's network wide that have access to the flag menu from the queue itself.
 
Oh, I see you're talking about a specific queue. Yeah, that seems reasonable.
 
4:20 PM
oh, it's in the URL
that's annoying
 
@Zoe when you direct an user to another site, you must know if it's even accepted on the other side. That's the message you should get.
 
@TylerH Ya I forgot to VTC right a t the time cause I was expecting some OP feedback
 
Zoe
The question is accepted. Whether it's been asked before is still up to the individual user
 
AU has thousands of questions about held broken packages
@Zoe That doesn't make your behavior acceptable.
 
Are you saying Ubuntu also has problems once you start using it?
 
4:25 PM
SO has complained loudly when other sites send their crap here. We shouldn't repay in kind.
 
@Braiam what, who has complained on SO? I've never seen that
Mostly I see Code Review complaining when we send people asking about code reviews to their site
@rene it certainly has a worse update process than Windows, I've learned
Or maybe better, if you prefer not updating...
 
Zoe
@Braiam You're making it sound like I'm violating the CoC when you say that, but no. If people are under the impression SO is the go-to place for answers on everything tech, pointing them to AU could at the very least help them to find an answer. If it gets closed, it gets closed.
 
Can't have problems with a platform if you don't use said platform. *bigbrain*
 
Zoe
@Braiam But related to the driver manager?
@Braiam Everyone complains when they receive crap. It's also unavoidable
 
4:29 PM
I'm really starting to appreciate the efficiency of SO mods. Take PSE for example, it has low traffic, yet my simple "No longer needed flags" have been pending for 15 days already and are still pending.
 
Zoe
Honestly @Braiam, in this case, I'll rather point the user to a site where it risks getting dupe hammered rather than ending up with a user who doesn't know it's not okay to ask SU questions on SO
One creates a small amount of trouble in the short run, the other creates lots of trash in the long run.
Neither are optimal, but I'll pick short-run cleanup over long-term trash any day of the week
 
Not to mention each site is equipped to automatically alert users to their appropriate help centers and tours when they register there...
 
Zoe
And the title box shows relevant questions when the title is added on a site with similar content. It's per-site, not cross-site, so it's easier to miss dupes when it's posted on the wrong side
 
I don't think I can find the beginning of this thread but there is a difference between "you should migrate to site X" and "your question might be acceptable on X, but check their guidelines before you ask, and definitely don't post duplicates"
 
4:35 PM
If anything, I would link to their helpcenter: on-topic, instead of main but that is about it.
 
^^ yes, that's what I usually do
@Zoe cannot see anything wrong with your action
you have actually just informed the user that there exists something called AU, which may be more appropriate for their question
nothing more
and that is fine with me
 
Zoe
Exactly. I agree linking to the help center might've been better, but the way Braiam misrepresented it really pissed me off
 
you have not voted for migration or something (which would be a somewhat different story)
 
@Makyen How inconvenient!
 
@Braiam While qualifying that as "network wide" does make that accurate, it's not accurate for Stack Overflow. On SO, the Triage queue also has direct access to the flag dialog.
 
4:45 PM
@Zoe ... yeah, as if people read our help center before posting...! :)
 
Zoe
true ^^"
 
On MSE I sometimes offer a link to a search and say something like : maybe this search results helps you find your answer and/or better suited site but I've had feedback that that it also rude so obviously you can't do it right for all.
 
@tripleee yes there is a difference, though I think we shouldn't have to bend over backward when informing people their question is off-topic here and another site is more appropriate. They should already know (and are prompted to by the system) to check guidelines before asking and not post duplicates if and when they go to the other site.
SO should not have to be everyone else's laundry service
 
4:57 PM
@Zoe That's why you need someone that knows their stuff, it has nothing to do with the driver manager.
@Zoe That doesn't excuse that we send them ours.
 
Zoe
@Braiam That doesn't excuse that they send some to us
 
@Zoe I'm saying what Jeff had said since inception of the multiple sites: we do not migrate crap.
 
Zoe
We're gonna have trash swaps between sites
@Braiam I didn't vote to migrate
 
@Zoe That's a nonstarting position to take
@Zoe It's functionally the same.
 
Zoe
@Braiam Not even remotely
 
4:59 PM
@Braiam no, it is not
 
@Zoe Crap changed sites, how it is not?
It's the same conclusion.
 
Zoe
No it isn't
 
'send' = 'vote to migrate`. Everythng else is just a comment
We did have discussions with @CodyGray here in the (recent) past, re "VTC as not about programming or VTM at Stats SE?"
a mention of Stats SE in the comments is not equivalent to sending them there
 
You are being mislead by semantics. Code review considers anything in a comment to be sent crap codereview.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5777/41686
 
Zoe
You assume users are gonna blindly follow a plain link and then ask without looking at anything on the site, blatantly ignoring all signs and all related questions. There's a good probability that by indicating the existence of that site, they're gonna search and potentially find something useful
 
5:02 PM
So, stop sending crap!
 
Oy, folks.
 
Zoe
@Braiam I never said "you should ask on AU instead" - I said "you're looking for AU"
That isn't a request to ask elsewhere
 
In fact, do not suggest any other site ever.
 
Zoe
Make me.
 
Can we suggest Reddit?
 
5:03 PM
@AdrianMole Suggest Google. No wait, that would be rude.
 
@AdrianMole I suggest Reddit and Quora all the time
 
grabs popcorn
 
Zoe
I rarely suggest asking unless I'm completely sure it's on-topic and not a dupe, but you cannot prevent me from recommending looking around on other sites
 
It is obviously clear the both of you don't agree and never will. The exchange can stop here.
 
@AdrianMole Definitely. In fact, it's highly recommended we do that for every post.
 
5:03 PM
puts away popcorn while glaring at @rene
 
@rene Oh, don't worry, I made sure to ignore everywhere.
 
@cigien Heh. I'm out of close votes for today so I suggested they ask on Reddit.
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@AdrianMole Sounds legit to me.
 
@Braiam you don't need to take an extra stab at it.
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Zoe
@Braiam said the one who made it seem like I'd done something worthy of a suspension...
 
5:05 PM
@rene Nah, it's just because some people wonder in this room why I don't address them. :)
 
@Braiam "do not suggest any other site ever" sounds dangerously like an imperative
 
it stops now. Both of you, and the rest
 
@desertnaut Because they are most of the time wrong :)
 
Kids :/
 
5:05 PM
Let's drop it please, as rene has already asked.
 
I stop here after the kind requests of the crew...
 
I like requests.
 
Zoe
I LIKE TRAINS!
 
Ha ha ha, yes you do. :)
 
5:07 PM
@Braiam "it stops now. Both of you, and the rest"
 
@Braiam You were told to drop it. That means actually drop the discussion.
 
@Zoe you mean, like I Like Trains?
 
Zoe
 
CR would not be proud of the question
 
@Zoe yeah!!!!!
 
5:11 PM
 
@desertnaut a "gallery" section on a band page in Wikipedia? I'd think that should be removed
 
@tripleee well, maybe
I think I 'll do a walk-out for the rest of the day
I'm not quite pleased with how @rene & @Makyen chose to handle the situation (by ordering everyone to shut up, and actually enforcing it)
so, see you all tomorrow...
 
Okay, that is noted. Cya
 
@desertnaut It's OK to have a discussion on that subject. It's not OK for the discussion to get personal. Once it does, and the people don't tone it down, then it is time to stop the discussion.
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5:26 PM
Would this be considered RA? Maybe NAA: stackoverflow.com/a/65308806/12708583
 
No, I think closing the question is sufficient
 
@tripleee SOCVR and wikipedia moderation as well? /s
 
@10Rep Nah, just that is typo question.
 
The roomba will eat it eventually
 
5:27 PM
@10Rep Neither..
 
Probably just edit out the fluff as the second sentenc is theoretically an answer..
 
If you want, you can edit out the last 4 words.
 
@10Rep Why? Roomba will cull it.
 
Zoe
Unless OP accepts in 2 days
 
What happens to your edit count when the post Roomba's? Does it subtracted as if the edit was never made?
 
5:30 PM
Huh, does self-accepting prevent the question from being roomba'd?
 
But in the meantime that last sentence isn't workplace appropriate..
 
Zoe
@janw Any accept prevents roomba
 
Interesting. I always thought that only applied for "normal" accepts, similar to how self-accepts don't pin the answer to the top
 
@10Rep Not sure about that. I've worked in places where people would scream at each other throwing threat around like they were normal.
 
@Scratte it does substract the rep IIRC so I assume the count goes with it.
 
5:32 PM
@Scratte But that isn't appropriate for SO, so it's gotta go.
 
@rene Perhaps one should test it :) On an NAA about to go away..
 
It decreases. I "lost" quite some edits to the roomba...
 
@janw Thanks :) No reason to do the scientific test now :)
 
@Scratte I'm sure someone abused this in the past so a post will exists on some meta to clarify the behavior
 
5:34 PM
I think I lack imagination as to how that can be abused. Unless it used to not count down and people would make silly edits to NAAs to improve their metrics.
 
Actually the badge states it: i.stack.imgur.com/giwwa.png
 
@Scratte I'm not sure that's conducive to a healthy work place environment. I can understand there being cultural contexts where that might be fine, of course.
 
Zoe
@10Rep yes, but nuke the question instead
 
The shown number is equivalent to my edit count
 
@janw Editing a deleted post is not the same as editing a post that gets deleted though.
 
5:36 PM
@Zoe I don't have a nuke button, sadly. I've flagged the question for closure
 
@Scratte :D Ok, good point, there may be a difference
 
Zoe
@10Rep Oh, so it's not normal to have a massive red button with a numpad and a nuclear symbol on it? :P
 
There is one way to get the 2 reputation points from suggested edits. If the edit is approved after the post is deleted.
 
Sometimes I would edit a post that would get deleted after my edit was approved, and I would lose 2 reputation points: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/397947/…
 
5:38 PM
@janw "Edited posts count decreased- Under what scenarios can this occur?" Sorry.. making is easier to find again :)
 
Yeah, I wonder whether there is some magic chat feature that automatically inserts the question title. Didn't work in this case, obviously
 
@janw If you use the Unclosed Review Request Script, it automatically changes links to questions into their titles
it's JavaScript, so it's as close to magic as you will get.
It also changes links to answers to "Answer to: <question title>"
 
I thought it was JQuery!
 
You can find more info on that and other scripts here: socvr.org/tools/userscripts
@10Rep there is no such thing as JQuery
do you mean jQuery?
:-)
 
@TylerH hey, I'm the pedantic one!
 
5:41 PM
Alright, this explains my confusion - I have the script installed, and thought this was a built-in chat feature
So it doesn't seem to work with meta posts. Or maybe only for the shortened URL? Trying... meta.stackoverflow.com/q/313015
no :/
 
@janw Because "we don't moderate meta"
 
Well, I don't think that showing post titles qualifies as "moderation"
 
I tried clicking cv-pls below a meta post... where did it go?
 
@10Rep This would be moderation
 
Oh no! Guys 10 Rep did it!
(escapes to another dimension)
 
5:46 PM
Which is why the close reason was "testing"...
I would have deleted the message anyways :)
 
@janw oh, sorry, yes I believe this feature is not turned on for Meta posts, so that it doesn't encourage users to moderate Meta as Braiam already mentioned.
 
Ok :) Then I will just manually include the question title next time.
 
How is this spam? I followed the links, they all lead to microsoft: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/27852859
 
I'm thinking one could also fiddle with the script and make it do it :)
 
@janw The URRS is currently written such that it will only request information about a single site. Getting information about posts on other sites, including Meta sites, would have to be additional, separate requests. It's not currently written to be able to do that.
 
@Scratte It could, but it's non-trivial.
 
@10Rep It could be the user was banned for promotional content and thus all of their answers got auto-deleted as such
@Makyen might be able to say definitively
 
But then it's not a good audit... requires extra knowledge to know that it's "spam".
 
I agree with that
 
Oh we all agree that is not a good audit for several reasons :)
 
5:54 PM
@Makyen Ah. Thanks :) I won't try it out. I've done the linking to posts the hard way all along anyway :)
 
waffles
 
@Scratte It is probably better in any case, since then others without the script can also follow the transcript
 
@10Rep How is:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Try to explore the new [link to my thing]!
> [link not *directly* related to the question]--- Hot issues November
> [link not *directly* related to the question]--- Hot issues November
not spam?
 
They're not affiliated with microsoft docs, no?
Plus I thought the links were relevant to the answer
 
@10Rep They are advertisements for Microsoft Q&A.
 
6:02 PM
@janw Ah. I misunderstood what it does. I though it would modify one's posted chatmessage, not just what one sees.
Heh.. the ghost of the microsoft post is still alive. To be honest, I'd have failed that one too. I'm not a trained spam-detector. I just review sometimes.
 
@10Rep There is additional context, but the additional context just makes it clear that the advertisement is an organized campaign, rather than a one-off. The additional context is that there were ~80 similar answers posted over a few days by a few different accounts.
 
Yeah, that's certainly spam. But how was I to know that?
 
I definitely FPed the first few but then when we saw more of them it became apparent that this was problematic ... this is one of the challenges with audits which SE has never even tried to correct AFAIK
 
I think we already discussed this. Here's the FR meta.stackexchange.com/q/238647/213575
I find more of a telling tale the plagiarization aspect, rather than the links
 
6:24 PM
@10Rep you could further discuss this with Sam at his bad review room?
 
^that user is spamming
Is this NAA? Seems to be from the last sentence: stackoverflow.com/a/65308950/12708583
 
Zoe
yeah, it's NAA
 
@10Rep Not just the last sentence. The entire thing is clearly a "me too" post.
 
I couldn't make sense of the first sentence, tbh.
 
They were quoting another answer to the question.
Then they said that was exactly what they wanted to do.
 
6:38 PM
FWIW they need to use the subprocess module
 
@10Rep If you have an answer to the question, you should post it...
 
Maybe someone can post an answer to this: stackoverflow.com/a/65311700/12708583
 
@10Rep Why do we post that message about asking a new Question. If it's similar, it'll get closed as a duplicate.
I'm not finding it good advice.
 
@Scratte It's not a question it's an answer. I was joking..
 
@Scratte Because one common NAA is posting questions as answers.
 
6:52 PM
@10Rep You posted a common canned comment on it that starts with "This does not provide an answer to the question. You .."
 
@10Rep It should now no longer be eligible for being an audit in either the Low Quality or Triage review queues.
 
@code11 Yes, but they are usually very similar to the Question they post it on. So it doesn't make sense to tell them to post a new Question. Then when they post that, they'll get told not to post duplicate Questions. A lot of the times, they're not given a link to help center so they assume they can just post whatever they posted in the Answer box directly into a new Question.
 
@Scratte I swear that was by accident :). I'm not a huge fan of that particular canned comment either.
I recall having a discussion earlier in SOBotics about the same thing. After that I always deleted that canned comment
 
When I comment and I see that its a question rather than a answer and its missing something, I'll say "You might think about posting this as a question but be sure to address <missing part>"
 
@code11 Yes, I have something similar. I only post it if it's already somewhat a decent question though :)
 
6:57 PM
@Makyen Thanks for removing it, but why would it show up in triage?
 
@Scratte That specific question-as-an-answer looks good enough to stand by itself, provided its not a dup.
Unrelated, seems like searching for the phrase, "I don't have enough rep to comment" might be a good way to find NAAs.
 
@code11 I tried that, but it only gave me 3 or 4. This was 3 months back I think
 
@code11 It's flawed. Lots of users write that and then the rest is an actual answer :)
 
The cool thing about SO is that off topic stuff is always being added :)
 
@10Rep I'm not sure why you're asking why it would show up in Triage. Why wouldn't it show up in Triage? Triage is, actually, a reasonable place for it to be, given that flagging is considered a normal response in that queue.
 
7:02 PM
@Makyen But answers don't show up in triage, do they?
 
@10Rep Right. Sorry. I wasn't thinking question/answer. I was thinking spam vs R/A.
 
Yeah, I've seen RA stuff in triage before..
 
Answers will show up in First Posts.
 
I guess all posts from new users will show up in two queues.
 
7:12 PM
^ spam, I'm sure
 
@10Rep What do you mean "you shouldn't do that" on that last smoke detector question? Was there a comment deleted in there?
 
@code11 They vandalised their question, so I said you shouldn't do that.
 
Ah, not clear from context. Gotcha.
 
They didnt do it on purpose (out of bad intent), which is why I even commented
Can a mod please lock the above?
 
@10Rep You should flag the post instead of asking here :-)
 
7:21 PM
I've flagged it as well
 
Plenty of people already did
 
Oh, no free flags for me then ...
 
@eyllanesc Please note that 'no roomba' is not a reason to delete a question; del-pls requests need to have a reason the post should be deleted, not simply commentary on whether it will auto-delete or not.
 
@TylerH wouldn't an implicit "click the link and read the closure notice to figure out" suffice?
 
@JohnDvorak maybe, but in this case definitely not: it's closed as a duplicate
and duplicates by design won't roomba unless they are really bad
Further, it's sort of inherent that it won't roomba if you're posting a del-pls request (especially if it doesn't show '20k' [for script users], indicating it's bad enough to need deleting ASAP), so it doesn't even add much value in cases where the question isn't a duplicate and would roomba if not for some accepted answer, etc.
 
7:33 PM
@TylerH Currently, it's something which is automatically added by the Request Generator, because we do get a considerable number of requests for questions which will Roomba, which makes the requests mostly redundant.
 
@Makyen what, the 'no roomba' bit is?
 
@bad_coder isn't "Is there is way how to force Pycharm to check the ReST files as well?" A valid question?
 
@code11 Interesting point, check for what? Typos? Syntax rules? -The Q starts by conflating those. Yes, the question is both about vanilla PyCharm and also a library request (admittedly, it would be on-topic since it's about programming....) Ok, but there's also a duplicate for this somewhere. So I'll look into it later.
@bad_coder please move to /dev/null@TylerH
 
7:50 PM
@bad_coder moved per your request
 
@bad_coder Hehe.. there's a division of /null on different users? :)
 
@Scratte where do you think ROs go to sleep? Each of us has carved out a little section to make into our own cozy abodes
 
Ohh... just like cats. You curl up in the small spaces of null. That's so cute :)
 
Do you sing nullabies to each other?
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@TylerH the directories exist but visibility is hidden @Scratte lol :)
 
7:57 PM
@TylerH Yes.
 
@Makyen shouldn't the script just warn a user trying to make a request instead, and say 'no request is necessary; this will roomba'?
 
it already does that?
 
@TylerH Maybe? It seemed appropriate to have in the requests when I added it a year or two ago. I'm not all that tied to having it in there, but it is information which is reasonable to have available to people who might click-through. The Request Generator should already be giving people a warning that it will Roomba (if they have Roomba Forecaster installed). If Roomba Forecaster isn't installed, it won't have any information about the Roomba (i.e. no warning or in-request note), IIRC.
 
@rene then why have 'no roomba' added to requests if only requests that won't roomba will get through?
@Makyen So the request generator, instead of checking for whether it will roomba on its own, looks for 'roomba' text on the page, place there by the roomba forecaster script (or some other rote method)?
 
@TylerH Yes. Why would it duplicate all the logic from another script?
 
8:11 PM
@TylerH the scrip warns it doesn't block. So the reason for the del-pls is the fact that it won't roomba. So maybe adding n-th dupe helps for context but I need to click anyway to make a judgement call. I definitely want to know no roomba is the reason, so at best you want to achieve elaboration. not removal of the no roomba hint altogether
 
@TylerH Don't get me wrong. I agree that just "no Roomba" isn't a reason to be deleting the question. It is, however, useful information to see in the request, under many circumstances. I wouldn't have a problem with the Request Generator requiring additional text prior to permitting the request from being sent.
 
Delete privileges come at 10K, do you really think we need a full track record in our transcript of the rationale why something needed deletion? Specially when most users can't even see the deleted posts.
 
8:31 PM
@rene Yes :) Mortal like to see why something is being deleted :)
Just like we don't make cv-pls requests with "it's not going to close itself"
 
It is just a teaser to get y'all to 10K
 
@rene 10k is overrated :(
 
Hmm.. y'll. You missed an a, and tripped my user script :D Much better, thank you :)
 
@Braiam not if you want to rumble through garbage. And I don't mean the PHP tag this time ....
 
Would this be considered NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/35774296/12708583
 
8:34 PM
@Scratte Ahh, but things do get deleted automatically, which is a significant difference. If you knew something was going to be closed automatically, wouldn't there be a reasonable number of times where it would make sense to just let that happen, rather than expend close-votes to make it happen faster?
 
@Makyen Yes. But that wasn't the point I was trying to make :) The fact that a post is not going to get deleted by itself isn't an argument for deleting it. Just like a post that isn't getting closed by itself isn't an argument for closing it. There should be an actual argument too in any case of a request.
 
@10Rep no.
 
If not, then I'll just post my list of reopen-pls with the "It's not getting reopened by itself" as the argument :D
 
I edited the fluff out of it
 
@10Rep I usually add a link to the comment in there...
It is up to you though...
 
8:40 PM
What comment?
 
Yes
 
I didn't realise they meant that stephan
 
I also put the user in a link, like so [username](userlink) answered this correctly in a [comment](commentlink) in case the comment goes missing. If it does no one will know who the user is that once answered in the comment
 
And remove the @. It doesn't actually ping the user so it is just noise
 
Yes, but new users don't know that, so they often use it.
I also use this because users change usernames sometimes, so I'm not comfortable just using the username.
 
8:46 PM
I generally leave an explanation in a comment or sometimes in the edit text...
 
@Makyen when it doesn't need to submit a request at all due to info gathered by that script? In other words, if a question will currently roomba, the request generator shouldn't post a request in chat. And such functionality shouldn't rely on if a user has another script installed
 
These two questions are from the same author, they are almost identically worded. Both had identical answers from the same person, but one was deleted by a moderator. That answer was replaced by another answer. Both questions have accepted answers. Only two users are involved. Is this suspicious Q&A and voting? See stackoverflow.com/questions/65250218/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/65250013/…
 
@AdrianHHH the asker has the same name as the answerer linked in the profile (github/twitter)
 
@Makyen At the very least I think additional text this is needed.
@rene If we want to be above board, yeah definitely. Otherwise I can see it now: countless meta posts "why is this room deleting questions without even giving a reason why". Reminds me of the 'cleanup by downvote' debacle the room suffered a few years ago...
 
@SurajRao I had not spotted that. Maybe there is just one user?
 
8:52 PM
@SurajRao I mod flagged one of the questions.
Oh boy
I checked their other questions.
 
@AdrianHHH I was about to say no.. since they answered the duplicate before the target and your comment probably let them to the target, but.. seeing what SurajRao just spotted, I take that back.
 
This discussion is more suited at chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq @AdrianHHH @SurajRao
 
@Yatin dont think so.. this isnt spam
we should leave it to mod
 
@SurajRao .... discussing users...
@SurajRao Yep
 
Thanks guys.
 
8:58 PM
:)
 
@TylerH staying afloat might suffice ...
 
9:32 PM
@TylerH There are legitimate reasons why someone might want to make a del-pls request for a question which will Roomba. I don't have a problem with requiring the user to confirm that they know about it, which the Request Generator currently does. I do have a problem with outright preventing a user from making such a request, unless we change the room rules such that requests are not permitted for questions which will Roomba.
My primary issue with having the request generator also compute the Roomba information is that I'm resistant to having the code in two different places and the additional maintenance work which that entails.
@TylerH I think it's reasonable to require additional text than just "No Roomba". It was never intended that that text would be the only thing in a request. It was automatically added merely as a convenience with the expectation that the user would add additional text. I'll change it such that additional text is required.
@TylerH While I understand your point, this feels like it's going fairly far with hyperbole. The Request Generator has been adding that text for a bit over two years. While that doesn't mean that there will never be problems caused, it does tend to indicate that such problems are a bit unlikely. Also, I'd note that we already haven't generally considered just "no Roomba" to be sufficient. I believe that it's been mentioned multiple times, going back quite a ways, but I haven't searched for it.
 
^ finally a question worthy of VLQ
Who on earth upvoted that :O
 
@Makyen Eh, I suppose there might be. Ideally (to me) there would be some separate elevated or manual method to get a del-pls through for something that will roomba but really can't wait (moderator flag? :-])
@Makyen this is a fair point, though now I have suggest, combine the two into one larger script? :-)
@Makyen It's true it's a 'worst case imagined scenario', but the point of my pontificating here is to avoid that exact outcome (in other words, design the system to handle edge cases). But these are all just stream-of-consciousness thoughts of mine (if I had some thorough, reviewed thoughts on the matter, I'd be posting them as a room topic or a bug report/feature request on GitHub!)
 
9:53 PM
@Yatin I think it should be flagged r/a
 
When will I find a question worth VLQ then 🥺
 
@Yatin I'm not sure such a thing exists. Most that you might flag VLQ just fall under the various close reasons, and since that's a far more efficient way of getting them closed, it should be used instead.
 
Ok 👍
 

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