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I just got pinged by my own bot, that was a surprise. :D
@Dharman I see you managed to find a PHP question to answer! :)
Yeah, I am suprised I didn't get downvoted yet
that can be arranged... ;-)
12:39 AM
Can someone tell me what this response from my flag means? "helpful - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252270/…;
@AnnZen It means a moderator reviewed your flag and agreed that there was a reason for you to flag.
@Dharman But... why is the link relevant? The only reason I flagged is because the script didn't reverse the votes.
Have you waited 48 hours?
Maybe the moderator wanted to tell you that you flagged too soon?
I waited weeks...
Then I don't know. Maybe it was just added for informational purposes
12:49 AM
But will anything be done, as it was a helpful flag?
It's impossible to say. Wait and see. Mods never share this kind of information. Maybe it was escalated to the employees. Maybe they saw that there's no reason to undo the votes.
I've only been in this room for a short while now, but I see this is a recurring theme. How common is it to have users revenge downvote y'all?
It happens pretty often.
I think someone called it revenge-downvote Wednesday
Mods never share this kind of information. Shouldn't there be We've asked CMs to investigate?
I had a discussion about this previously with mods, and I was told that they will not be providing such information. It was also slightly annoying to me, but they don't want to leak too much information.
12:57 AM
Okay, thanks!
1:44 AM
@AnnZen Based solely on public information: You had a "+60 reversal Voting corrected" reputation change on 2020-10-22, which is linked to 'Why do I have a reputation change on my reputation page that says "voting corrected"?' (and a -10 unupvote at the same time). Assuming -2 per downvote, that represents the reversal of 30 downvotes (and 1 reversed upvote).
Given that you don't appear to have had a large number of serial downvotes the day prior to that reversal, and the reversal didn't happen at or around 03:00UTC, which is when the reversal script normally runs, it's likely that these changes were the result of a CM looking at your account for voting issues. As far as I'm aware, the most likely reason a CM would be looking at your account wrt. voting issues is that a moderator escalated an issue to them.
 
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3:01 AM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman that question has just had code added to it. probably more suited to a reopen
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Besides, it will roomba right? What's the rush?
@cigien Hey can you remind me the rules of roomba again please?
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman I barely know them myself. I just learned that posts with accepted answers don't qualify. But I think no answer, negative score does.
3:04 AM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman bizarre - they edited the code in, then edited it out again within the window so it doesn't show up as a separate edit...
@Nick Interesting...
I guess the OP themselves wanna delete it! 😅
We'll help them then! 👍🏻
@Nick Plus looking at the code, I really feel that OP is giving us a huge task of understanding. No MCVE it is actually. It's like I work for this company, I have this issue, here's the full code repo blah blah, please help me finish my work (I'll get my salary) LoL.
3:25 AM
Thanks! The situation is that I flagged a post (the post where I thought the serial voting started) at Oct 4.
A mod responded with "helpful - We've asked CMs to investigate". Before any votes were reversed, the serial voting continued.
Then recently many votes were reversed. But after a certain point,
there are clearly a series of posts (my most recent answers) that still have serial votes still on them.
I'm assuming that when I flagged that post at Oct 4, the now remaining votes didn't exsist, hence they have not been reversed.
I have been advised to flag another post, so I flagged the beginning of the leftover serial voted posts.
The day after I flagged, my flag was marked as helpful, with this link https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252270/what-can-i-do-about-getting-a-sudden-flood-of-revenge-downvotes%22
3:53 AM
@AnnZen If you feel there are targeted and/or serial votes which have not been reversed after what appears to be CM action on an escalation from a prior flag, then you should raise a new flag and be very specific as to exactly which votes you feel should be reversed which have not been. If there's a more complex pattern, then describe the pattern and specifically point it out sufficiently such that other people can see the pattern.
In general, CMs tend to both look at things which were specifically mentioned by either the moderator and/or in the user's flag, and in general at the account. If a CM looked at your account, then they likely reversed everything they saw at the time they looked, but if you didn't clearly describe what you felt the problem was, then both the moderators and CMs have to guess at what your issue is. They may, or may not, guess the same thing you're seeing. They may, or may not, find other things.
Keep in mind that it can be a long time between when you flag and when a CM takes action. The backlog is dramatically better now, but earlier this year the backlog was about 9 months long (i.e. the time between something being escalated to when it was acted upon used to be about 9 months).
 
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6:07 AM
^ not off-topic but typo :)
 
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7:31 AM
Is this even a programming question?
@cigien it might be, but it's definitely about general computing
thanks for pointing out the minor omission... :)
@Nick No problem :)
7:58 AM
this search shows three sock puppets trying to push through their homework dump few hours ago: stackoverflow.com/… (interesting that it also reveals same homework posted aboput five years ago)
they create a new sock for each assignment?
One of them is literally named "homework31r1f"
@Yatin yeah, I almost would give them a +1 for being well organized ... I'm not smart enough to come up with that scheme.
@JeanneDark I've voted typo on that. I think it's clear but the OP has made a fundamental mistake in their code that's unlikely to be useful
@gnat How do you know they're not 3 users taking the same class? :)
8:14 AM
@DavidBuck I will actually go with neither a typo nor requires clarity (because I don't think it is either)... I think this one will definitely have a duplicate
@DavidBuck That's also fine. I also thought about debugging details, but finally just went with details and clarity because it's hard for me to understand what they are trying to achieve. (I guess they believe that del just kind of empties the variable and doesn't delete it. But we shouldn't have to guess.)
@JeanneDark It's true, they don't specify what they're trying to do, but whatever it is, they're simply doing something else.
@Yatin Nope, I was wrong...
It is like they deleted it and then they are surprised that it is deleted :)
Good morning fellas! Who else felt to wake up way too early this morning?
@πάνταῥεῖ Good morning!
8:18 AM
"Debugging details" specifically includes "desired behavior", I guess to avoid XY problems
@πάνταῥεῖ Good morning :)
Is this (SD report) asking for recommendations? stackoverflow.com/q/21758641/9473764
@Nick I would go with either more focus or opinion-based. It's not so much recommendation, rather idea generation
@JeanneDark thanks; it's borderline a few things. but it's been closed while I was typing, so academic now I guess! :)
What are people's thoughts on the actual answer that was flagged? I tried to open the page in a private firefox window but it won't load (eventually redirects to the google set cookies page)
Was just deleted
8:31 AM
I'm not sure why. Question asks for a way to spell-check, answer provides a tool. I don't see the problem.
@Scratte user names "bnjoetvbi" and "bnjoetvbi6" made me suspect that at least two of these three are twin brothers with same name :)
@cigien Possibly spam? Although I'm sure it was NAA (link-only). Question is not specifically asking for a tool (the only edge case in which it might be considered acceptable. But then close the question as recommendation immediately)
@JeanneDark No, OP says they wrote it. I see your point about not answering it in the first place. I'm on the fence but seems ok-ish given the nature of the question (question seems vague anough to accept a tool answer).
@cigien It might still be spam (perhaps it's a known spam site). Disclosing affiliation is necessary, but it should not protect actual spam or else it would be too easy to circumvent the rules. (Imagine me linking to a porn site claiming to have written it - would that make it acceptable?).
The post was link-only and that's not the kind of post that's wanted on SO and should be deleted. An explicit tool request is the only edge case in which I might consider a mod to decline a NAA flag (but that post might not even be acceptable for such a question as it didn't even name the tool but just had a link to a website)
8:46 AM
That makes sense. I did check the link, and it's fine, but it is a link only answer.
I can now only guess. I didn't dare to check the link and can't see deleted posts so all I know is that it was deleted.
No worries. I just asked because it does do what the OP asks for. It craps out on sites with a lot of text, but otherwise it works :)
9:13 AM
Question (First Posts): How to review this? It's an answer, but the user received a comment asking them to illustrate it with code. They complied by writing another answer that also contains the full text of that older answer. Custom flag explaining it?
Does the "the route doesn't even wait for the scraping to be finished. i am assuming that's the problem" part of this answer make it not "not an answer"?
@Scratte me thinks so
@JohnDvorak Ok. Thanks. I'll ask them to consider rephrasing then :)
@Scratte "I am assuming that's the problem. but what's the solution to this" makes it very much a question.
Note that the question is not explicitly asking what the cause of the error may be, so if the answer doesn't provide a solution...
9:23 AM
@JeanneDark That is true. But if they remove the question, there's a attempt of the answer, I suppose :)
@Scratte Even if you think "the route doesn't even wait for the scraping to be finished" might be the answer, since it's followed by "i am assuming that's the problem", it's a comment not an answer.
@Nick I tend to try to (in my mind) remove parts of a post and see if that makes it comply :)
But I'm not going to start crying if this Answer goes missing.. and so.. it did :)
@Scratte If the answer was "the route doesn't wait for the scraping to be finished" and there was some explanation of how to fix that, I'd call it an OK answer. Everything else in the post is extraneous to the "solution" and most of everything else leads to it being NAA. If the answer was solely "the route doesn't wait for the scraping to be finished" then I'd downvote, and the end result (vs flagging NAA) would probably be the same.
@Nick I'm don't agree that because the end result is the same, that is makes it NAA. I've deleted a few of my own Answers, and I do not think they were NAAs :)
I would however post this in a comment, since I tend to not post half-Answers. But, I'm not sure half-answers or "this is a possible root-cause" is considered an NAA.
@Scratte I'm not saying that makes it an NAA at all. I'm just saying that the end result will probably be the same.
9:29 AM
@Nick Fair enough :) And it was also deleted, but I don't know if it was self-deleted. I expect not.
It was deleted by a moderator.
I had this issue with a user script though. On local it responded just fine. But when I used it on Stack, there was an empty variable.. I got nothing! It turned out to be a timing issue and someone in chat pointed me to that. So in a sense that someone "answered" with a cause got me my solution :)
@Scratte Did you self-answer your question? :)
@Scratte That's indeed possible. What I mean is that I often come across debugging questions asking for solutions and also throw in a question about what might cause the error. That complicates matters because then such a post as the one above could be considered more of an answer (because it tried to answer one of the questions). That's why I also have a look at the question.
Is this seeking recommendations? The accepted answer is link-only.
9:34 AM
@Nick Only partly.. :) I didn't know about the timing-issue. But I never posted an actual Question on Stack :)
@Scratte I know, I was just being facetious... I do that a lot... :)
@JeanneDark I look at the Question too. But I know that when handling NAAs, one is not to rely on looking at the Question :)
@cigien Yes, also: "I'd be grateful if you could provide some helpful tutorials/links for them." One could argue that you can edit it out.
@Nick We need more of that :) Teasing me is also fine.
@Scratte Seems like I'm more paranoid than you then ;) I fear that when I review a late answer to one of those old recommendation questions a mod might still consider a link-only answer an answer to a question like "Give me teh links?"
9:37 AM
@JeanneDark If I do that, then the question needs more focus, right?
@JeanneDark I do that too. I don't flag those.. :) Even if they likely will get deleted from a flag.
@Scratte I can take as good as I give too. :)
@cigien I'd consider "I'd appreciate any help at all" to need more focus. But it's an old question with no new activity (not suitable for a request in here). I don't know if your close vote would not just age away.
I've noticed what when I'm very confused about some new thing I'm learning, I tend to ask bad questions (they seem like good question when I ask them though). If I don't pick up on the right information, all my self-answers tend to be NAAs :)
@JeanneDark Oh, I wasn't going to make a request. I didn't even VTC. Just curious, because I came across basically the same question in the queue, and noticed that someone had marked that as a dupe target.
9:44 AM
@cigien You can close it as the target, if it fits :) Even if the target is closed (I think :)
10:04 AM
@Nick I thought that was your downvote count when I first looked at it :D (I didn't notice the details on the right side of the screen of course)
@Scratte I think Dharman is up at those lofty heights... I'm only ~2.5k
@Nick The problem with showing that is that one's downvotes doesn't show up there when the post is deleted. So if you had 10,000 downvotes showing up there, all the posts would still be on the site, which is very unlikely to be equal to the actual count on the summary :)
@Scratte indeed, if you look on that tab my downvote count is only ~600
I guess ideally, you'd like it to be 0...
My own profiles says "1,260 votes cast" and the summary says "339 up" and "921 down", but when I check to see the actual votes it tells me: "310 Votes cast" on upvotes and "140 Votes cast" on downvotes. A very small number really.
@Nick I can't look at that. It's private :)
@Nick Not sure. If I downvote a post that has a score of 14, I don't expect my vote to result in it's deletion :)
@Scratte I guess it's not any more! :)
10:15 AM
@Nick The number, no.. but what does that really say? :) The list of posts are are still a secret, no? :)
@Scratte interesting that some of your upvoted posts have been deleted too...
@Scratte yeah, I was using the royal "you" (i.e. me :)
@Nick I do not think that's uncommon though. I noticed an earlier conversation where other users said their upvotes were also not identical.
@Nick Ahh.. "us" :)
@Scratte mine is 1403/1429
Ahh.. so only 3 in difference between us. I need to make that a bigger gab :D
But.. I am annoyed with the fact that one cannot see up/down votes cast on deleted post. I don't understand how that's even a "feature".
^ spam
10:20 AM
One could inadvertently be serial voting a user because it's impossible to see earlier votes :(
"good idea to buy yourself a replica watch".. but why? Why not get an original nice cheap one?
I assume this is NAA as the code doesn't seem to relate to the question, but it doesn't ask a question... stackoverflow.com/a/64522609
@DavidBuck Apparently a mod agreed with you...
@Nick That was quick
@DavidBuck indeed. FWIW I agreed with you
10:36 AM
@Nick It would be nice if NAA posters would make their answer unambigiously NAA so we can safely flag. They should add that to the "How to Answer" guide, not that they'll read it.
@DavidBuck :) but then we wouldn't have all the chat going on here
@DavidBuck Yes! They should also post half-an-answer/half-a-question in two separate posts :) But.. did you notice the meta post about the declined flag on the post that started out something like "this is not an answer, but really a comment.."? :)
Is that spam? The question is unclear enough to maybe be just text to include the link in.
@JeanneDark Don't think so. Very close-worthy though.
@JeanneDark I'd just go with: Unclear / Needs focus
10:44 AM
Thanks! Just to make sure we don't overlook something.
@Scratte I didn't see the meta post. Plenty of decent answers seem to have that on the front. Gives us something to edit out, I suppose.
Heh.. Look at the number one when searching for users on meta ;) Someone is famous :)
@JeanneDark Yes :) That one :)
I remember posting a snarky comment there, that was deleted within the hour. Something akin to "This is an Answer, but I'm posting it as a comment"
@Scratte Browsing the list, I see @cigien has a sibling
10:51 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ You call 9 AM early;)
@DavidBuck Must be a younger one, as it's a little smaller :)
@DalijaPrasnikar I used to wake up at 07:00am the least month, today it was 06:00am suddenly :-P
I just wrote later here ...
@Scratte I don't understand the rules for participation. I shouldn't even be on that list, as I haven't posted anything for a long time now.
@JeanneDark having looked at the poster's profile (link url is the same as the post) I do think it's spam and have flagged it
@Scratte Isn't curation participation as well?
10:55 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't curate meta. I can't.. no close votes, no edits.. I comments, but that's not curating at all.
I don't think my 1 flag counts either ;D
What close reason is the correct one for this stackoverflow.com/questions/64522703/… ?
@Steve needs focus works for me
@Steve Finding a duplicate would be a good reason
Effort isn't a requirement. Lack of can be a downvote reason.
Is this conclusively C? It's got no language tags, hence 5 views in 20 hours. stackoverflow.com/q/64514240
11:11 AM
Must be. I used to work with people that took pride in writing obscure, "optimal", and long one-lines in c ;)
@Scratte I was tempted to try to indent it, but as I've no clue what the error is and am suspicious of the fact that it starts off with int* variable when all the other mentions are int *variable I'm concerned I'll change the thing that's broken.
@DavidBuck it's a typo...
It's probably c or c++ code, but it's the OP in charge to clarify, hence I VTC.
Question is closed. OP has an answer. Seems like a result. Thanks all.
11:26 AM
@DavidBuck I don't know c, but I know java allows for defining an array on either the type of the variable name.
11:43 AM
There's another answer to the SD flagged yoast post (I've always wanted to say that :) that also looks spammy stackoverflow.com/a/63334628/9473764
@Nick I was just looking at that user's other post when it went pink and vanished. Mods are only seconds behind us today.
@DavidBuck It's like they're watching us...
11:58 AM
@DavidBuck I think they may be ahead of us, and just taunting us ;)
12:18 PM
^ it should be cleaned by Roomba in 10 days
If there are no upvotes in 10 days, right?
What to do with answers in other languages? Should they be raised here with flag-pls tag?
@mickmackusa yea that is the catch actually. Shouldn't have any upvotes :/
Is solving the problem in another framework consider a solution? Like this one. The question specifically says Django and the answer is in Flask
@Yatin The problem is with mathplotlib, django is innocent.
@Braiam you forgot the title :)
@Yatin You can flag them as NAA or VLQ. When they already have such an active flag, then you don't need to post a request here (unless your flag is no longer active and you can't flag again).
12:28 PM
@Yatin better to purge the page and spare the answerers from continuing to edit and extend their answers on a page that will be trashed anyhow. A mercy killing.
@JeanneDark ok thank you
@mickmackusa :-D got it
I have to add a nose now to the text emoticons else they get converted to this 😀
Probably because of the dark mode extension I installed yesterday 😬
I'm inclined to agree with @mickmackusa on this one, if OP accepts an answer it won't get roomba'd either...
@πάνταῥεῖ are you saying, checking SO is not the first thing you do in the morning??? This kind of behavior is completely unacceptable ;P
I don't go usually go to chat first thing... but there is nothing like closing few questions to wake you up...
@DalijaPrasnikar XD I noticed I need a couple cups of coffee and a spliff or two 1st (especially at sundays)
I hate Sundays.... weekend is over...
12:33 PM
And still all homework is due ....
I usually don't care when kids don't have school, but now it is a nightmare...
@DalijaPrasnikar I thought your son is grown up?
I have three kids :) My youngest daughter is still in high school
Ah, OK.
Our's have to go to school here, unless they're quarantined.
Besides, define grown up...
Same here...
This spring when we had about 30 cases daily all schools were online... now we are over 2000 and all are open, except few that are in quarantine.
It's easy to get them quarantined, my daughter was 3 weeks ago.
Too many course mates get infected quickly.
Corona parties
My entire country went full online for all students.
From preschool all the way to grade school
All rules we have combined are quite contradictory...
12:53 PM
@Braiam online is a bit ambiguous here. Our kids had online schooling at home at the peak of the shutdown.
@DalijaPrasnikar Same here ...
"Any ideas Gregg?"
@πάνταῥεῖ Lets just say that a fire in a building caused all classes to be suspended for the biggest university in my country. That kind of "online" classes.
@JeanneDark Only Greggs may answer :)
@Scratte Shall I post a link to the question so you can flag all answers not posted by a Gregg as NAA? ;)
@JeanneDark Nice :) I think I'll pass on that one ;) I'm also not inclined to post comments on all of them asking they are indeed Gregg ;)
12:57 PM
New flag: NAABG = not an answer by Gregg
@Scratte regarding your MSO comment: I flagged that question as "needs details or clarity" and it was marked helpful. I brought the question to attention here and only later Nick concluded it was spam.
When the audit is a question I already flagged for closure...
@JeanneDark I flagged it as "Needs details or clarity" too. I just noticed the snarky comment and thought to get some clarity on whether one is suppose to "do nothing" instead of inaccurately flag.. my version of snarky, I suppose.
@Scratte I would be surprised if this referred to us. We didn't decline the spam flag, after all.
@JeanneDark That is correct. I did consider that, but I felt it would have been a bit too snarky to suggest the handling moderator made a mistake :) I put it under "Or something else?" ;)
1:22 PM
Is this an appropriate edit? stackoverflow.com/questions/64515968/…
Zoe
Zoe
no
well, the edit is fine, the rollback isn't*
1:39 PM
I thought this question needed more focus and was opinion-based. is it fine though?
@DavidBuck That's cool :) Seems there's a lot of fans of that artist :)
2:47 PM
Hello. I would argue that this question (stackoverflow.com/questions/64524908/…) is not on topic, and should therefore be closed
@Spectric Why is it off-topic? It might be a dupe, but still seems on-topic to me.
Zoe
Zoe
@cigien Screenshots of error is considered no MCVE.
@Zoe Oh, off-topic means any of the close reasons?
Off-topic means it's not suitable for Stack Overflow
@cigien Name was changed to community defined reasons.
2:58 PM
@Dharman Aah, I see. Sorry, still stumbling over terminology. Yeah, that post is off-topic. It got dupe-hammered anyway.
@JeanneDark FYI: A question that you reviewed is being discussed on Meta. I can't see what your verdict was in the review, but you may like to comment?
Zoe
Zoe
@cigien No MCVE was historically considered off-topic, FWIW
@AdrianMole Thank you! I'm aware of it and flagged it as "details or clarity" back then (marked helpful). I kind of started it all because during review I asked in here if it could be spam. Nick then later concluded that it was indeed (his reply to me is later down there).
@Zoe I haven't seen a definitive decision in that regard. Is there an authoritative (or consensually accepted recognized by mods) guideline we're supposed to flag images of stacktraces (and or code) as lacking MCVE?
4:39 PM
^ Do I get a badge for downvoting/delete-voting a Haskell post? ;-)
@AdrianMole Why delete it?
Why repost it in the first place?
It's borderline NAA and the extra fluff is almost spam.
It was reposted because the old one got deleted
By a moderator - and for good reason!
There, I rolled back the deleted one and edited the new one
Hopefully, this saves it from deletion, but if you are an SME you can evaluate how useful it is.
4:43 PM
Ah - OK. I was confused by the edits on the deleted version.
4:55 PM
The sd report above shows an answer that seems to answer the question but also has a link that may be self-promoting -- not sure. I did not flag this as spam, would you? I did raise a custom mod flag though. What do you think?
Ah @Dharman showed what he thinks in a comment. Thanks.
Hmm, now that you point this out a custom flag would be more suitable. I already flagged spam
One day I will learn, but not today
@Dharman: I'm no expert in that field, but the answer quality is not too bad
or I should say seems not too bad
@Dharman The email address in the linked site's "Write for us" has the same name as the SO username
It seems salvageable without the link
@DavidBuck: good point
I avoided clicking on it
So should I remove my flag and remove the link?
4:59 PM
@Dharman: if I knew the answer, I wouldn't have posted my question :D
I'd prefer mods to do this. They can check if it's only the second time they did this or if it happened more times.
@Dharman: my custom flag: "The answer does answer the question, but also has what looks like a spam-ish link, one that may be promoting the OP's own site (I can't say for sure). It is certainly not a typical spam post, but probably could do without the link, or at least explain why the link is there and if the OP has any affiliation with the site."
Point out that this is the second time they've done this
@Dharman: ah, I did not know this. How did you get this information? Did the previous episode occur today?
5:07 PM
@Dharman Well son-of-a-gun and "slap my mouth". That's slick!
@Dharman Doesn't that need rolling back further? They've been changing questions to answers as they get them.
Maybe, Do you know which revision was the best?
@Dharman The original is the only one with all of the questions in full
@Dharman But 4 has question numbers...
Let's just close it and we delete it in 2 days?
I don't feel like polishing turds that should have been closed in the first place
@Dharman Probably best. Stick with 1, then
5:48 PM
Wow, what a conversation!
Hell hath no fury like a user whose question was closed as a duplicate
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@JeanneDark: so true
or as unclear without comment
"How dare a community of experts not give me the exact answer I'm looking for, for free!"
But claiming that I don't know "shit" when I in fact do know it and know it well :D
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6:00 PM
To me this answer looks like NAA, but it was upvoted. Is it ok?
@JeanneDark I think it's NAA and the question is General Computing
Thank you
6:40 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Do you know what this user is asking about? You had commented previously, but I don't see a "stack link"
@Machavity I had no idea. It wasn't reproducible by any of the users participating in the discussion.
@Machavity I believe it was Ted suggesting them to use cmd instead of powershell, and surprisingly the OP said, that this solves the problem.
@Machavity Is this the right close reason for this? stackoverflow.com/q/64507250/1839439 Should it really be closed?
I'm asking since you are also PHP expert
7:02 PM
@Dharman Might be a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/40271727/…
Sounds similar, can you suggest it or would you like me to do that?
Not sure I would have gone Too Broad there
I don't understand why it is closed as too broad.
@Dharman Fixed
Thanks
7:26 PM
@desertnaut You should double check, but I don't think you should request actions on posts you're involved with, even with disclosure.
@cigien ok, let me check...
@cigien you are right, Rule 15
apologies for this...
RO pls remove request above chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50775165#50775165 (Rule 15 violation)
@desertnaut No problem :) Hey, we're only 50 rep apart :p
@cigien :-0
@Machavity pls remove own request above chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50775165#50775165 (Rule 15 violation)
@desertnaut Done
7:52 PM
Favorite question of the day :)
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@cigien it made a crack sound and now it is broken ...
@rene I was tempted to point them at ELL :p
Good call ;)
@cigien =D
8:37 PM
Is this an answer?
@Yatin It looks like one to me, but it seems very low-quality, and perhaps better to have voted to close as a duplicate than to provide such an answer.
I am confused about the duplicate part... Is that question a duplicate of the one shared in the answer?
@Yatin Not sure, but I think so.
@Yatin Setting myself up for revenge down-votes
but what the heck
@HovercraftFullOfEels what is life without some risk :)
@HovercraftFullOfEels You think so? Seems like the correct call, and you left a nice comment. (assuming you're referring to the answer).
@cigien: it all depends on how the poster takes it. It has received down-vote, and that does sting, to some more than to others
... and he knows that one DV came from me, to be sure
Well, I VTD, so they'll think I'm the second :) They should know the rep comes back if they delete it right? It wasn't even upvoted in the first place.
9:03 PM
Is this question on-topic?
^ username matches on both sites. No affiliation declared.
@Yatin doesn't look like a programing problem to me. More general computing / server fault
9:19 PM
What to do with answers that seem to be answering a completely different question. Like this one. The answerer has probably seriously misunderstood the question being asked... Should they be deleted?
@rene ok thank you :)
@Yatin yes, but don't use flags, use delete votes
ok
@Yatin There's nothing you can do about those. It's a wrong answer. Not "Not an Answer".. Note: You don't have delete votes ;) You need 20K+ for that.
@Scratte but I can post it here right?
@Yatin Yes :) I do not remember the restriction on deleting Answers though. I expect it needs a negative score of some sort.
9:23 PM
Is this question now fine? To me it looks close to needing debugging details. Background is that I flagged an earlier code review-style revision as needs more focus and, as the new title says, they completely changed it (and solved it according to a comment). Not sure how useful that question is to future visitors.
The trusted user privilege says "Voting to delete answers with score of -1 or lower".
@JeanneDark looks ok-ish to me, it needs the exact line and exact error message.
Thanks
@JeanneDark - hmmm .... if it's resolved according to comments by using a different approach - doesn't that make it "typo/can't reproduce"?
@rene ?
@JeanneDark I left a comment, and edited the title for now.
we can still close as unclear
9:30 PM
@tink With the few information given it's also not clear why that solves the problem.
/me shrugs
@tink I'm not a javascript SME. It didn't look too bad to me, code wise that is.
Heh - I don't read JS very well, just went by the confusing (to me at least) comment about it being resolved.
I admit I didn't read the comments
Keeps me sane
@rene .."keeps"? Could be just another level of delusion, no?
9:41 PM
@JeanneDark I picked a duplicate and cv-ed / cc @tink
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Is this question opinion based?
@Yatin Don't think so, but it now got closed w/ three different reasons ;D .. I voted "seeking recommendations"
Oh I didn't know what jumpserver was so I thought I should ask... thanks :)
10:45 PM
What is a good reason to close this? I lost my patience. stackoverflow.com/q/64529259/1839439
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@Dharman I went with needs clarity. What result is the "correct" one?
@Dharman If you cannot think of any close reason, how do you know it should be closed? ;)
@Dharman I cv:d as clarity. Debugging details would work fine too.
It reads like a good question which is why I attempted to answer it but then OP got into a discussion with me so I delete my answer.
OP probably has something else in mind than what I understood
user10957435
Which is why needs clarity is a good close reason :D
user10957435
What the OP wanted to do wasn't mentioned in the question.
11:19 PM
@Dharman Who upvoted the answer on the last question you linked???
I don't know I assumed a sock-puppet
@Dharman Don't assume evil when stupidity is a valid explanation ;)
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I started writing an own linked list implementation just so that I always have code to show for those questions
You could also write it once and then link as a duplicate
Yeah, I know. Basically that's my plan or something.
I was considering doing it as some kind of canonical, but I don't know if it's a good idea.
Sounds good.
11:28 PM
Is there any special requirements when it comes to canonical questions?
Do research, write well, follow the guidance from How to Ask.
Because it seems like some canonicals would probably be closed as too broad or something if they were regular questions
I don't think there's anything special about them. It's just a really good question with really good answers
Unless there are good answers which can protect questions
It seems like some of them basically are something that would have belonged on se documentation if it were still around
@KenWhite Isn't this a programming question?
11:32 PM
@Dharman I don't see any code-related information in the post, or a question asking about code at all. It appears to be about CUPS configuration on a Mac OS system.
@klutt I think so. There's a meta post about it.
@Dharman One canonical I started planning was basically a copy paste of documentation for format strings, because very many questions about them are the same principle, but it does not feel right to close as a duplicate if it's not about the same specifier
Like, if a question is about why double d; printf("%d", d); does not work cannot be a dup of a question asking about char c; printf("%d", c); even though the answer is basically the same
But char c; printf("%d", c); does work ... just not maybe in the way it was expected to work.
@AdrianMole Yes I know. It's valid C. But my point is that ALL of those questions still have the same answer: RTFM
Hello. This question (stackoverflow.com/questions/64529879/…) should be unclosed. The OP has taken appropriate action.
11:45 PM
I have an answer on this question. Does it count as a useful "how do I do x" question? It seems to fit the criteria Makyen mentioned yesterday.
@Spectric disagreed. Still unclear.
11:57 PM
@Spectric as can be seen from the comments even if it were re-opened it would be immediately closed again as a typo. So not much point...
@cigien you shouldn't really be asking about questions you are involved in.

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